• about destructive consequences

    From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 6 11:36:16 2025
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.russian.z1, alt.politics

    Kiev regime promoted (via many outlets) this news yesterday.

    They refered to their intelligence.

    Some Chinese (not many) are known to be in Russian military,
    however, these are either Russia's citizens or men from China
    who decided so because of their personal choice.

    | <https://shorturl.at/nSMIr> realgazeta.com.ua
    |
    | China is likely negotiating with Russia on an unofficial
    | participation of its soldiers in the hostilities. It's
    | viewed in Beijing as an opportunity to gain experience in
    | modern warfare for its army. Thus China is following the
    | example of North Korea, which previously sent more than
    | 10,000 soldiers .. Chinese representatives have been
    | repeatedly spotted in the Russia's "new" territories,
    | indicating close ties between Beijing and Moscow. Chinese
    | yuan will soon begin to exchange in Luhansk region. It
    | recently became known that China's companies are investing
    | in misc developments in Donetsk region ..

    It's likely a psyop effort, given the initial source was the
    regime's official "Resistance Center". However, the official
    statement "was later deleted" <http://rlu.ru/4M9xR> and some
    functionaries of the regime refuted "the reports". This
    indicates growing inconsistencies and miscoordinations among
    factions within the regime, under their growing awareness
    that Zelensky should be replaced by someone else.

    ...




    The Kiev-controlled territory has now become a kind of concentration
    camp. Adult men above 17 y/o cannot leave, even turning transgender
    doesn't help men. Certain kinds of women also can not.

    The recent Zelensky's statement that those who dislike something can
    change citizenship is a sadistic joke, because most of those who would
    dream to leave (and forget it like a nightmare) simply have no options
    to do so. Nobody wants to be drafted to the army, draft officers are literally hunting people, men are hiding. Corruption flourishes under
    these conditions. Unofficial price-list on how much one has to pay to
    avoid conscription is an open secret. The men caught by draft officers
    are then often beaten / tortured at the recruiting stations, sometimes
    up to death, and when some of such cases become public, it would be officially a suicide or a sudden heart attack etc. Regular populace increasingly hate the regime and Zelensky personally. However, there's
    no way to somehow protest. Regime critics are quickly labeled Russian
    spies and arrested, or simply disappear without a trace.

    Any independent media doesn't exist. After the new US administration
    stopped USAID, about 90% of Ukrainian outlets that previuously
    declared themselves "independent" had to admit they cannot continue to function as before. While dictator Zelensky, some "western" officials
    speak as if on behalf of "Ukrainian people", the populace residing in
    the Kiev-controlled territory have no way to express what they really
    want and think, both because of fear and because of censorship.

    It's clear that in this situiation the popular approval of the regime
    and Zelenky personally is very low. But the regime of course promotes (near-)official data painting a rozy picture, but that is a forgery.
    The regime has no way to survive, it will become uglier and worse with
    each passing day.

    The Atlanticist-backed violent 2014 coup in Kiev was under pro-western slogans, but it was in fact anti-democratic, so it naturally raised destructive extremist forces and led to destructive consequences.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Thu Mar 6 10:34:39 2025
    "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote:
    Kiev regime promoted (via many outlets) this news yesterday.

    They refered to their intelligence.

    Some Chinese (not many) are known to be in Russian military, however,
    these are either Russia's citizens or men from China who decided so
    because of their personal choice.

    | <https://shorturl.at/nSMIr> realgazeta.com.ua
    |
    | China is likely negotiating with Russia on an unofficial
    | participation of its soldiers in the hostilities. It's
    | viewed in Beijing as an opportunity to gain experience in
    | modern warfare for its army. Thus China is following the
    | example of North Korea, which previously sent more than
    | 10,000 soldiers .. Chinese representatives have been
    | repeatedly spotted in the Russia's "new" territories,
    | indicating close ties between Beijing and Moscow. Chinese
    | yuan will soon begin to exchange in Luhansk region. It
    | recently became known that China's companies are investing
    | in misc developments in Donetsk region ..

    It's likely a psyop effort, given the initial source was the
    regime's official "Resistance Center". However, the official
    statement "was later deleted" <http://rlu.ru/4M9xR> and some
    functionaries of the regime refuted "the reports". This
    indicates growing inconsistencies and miscoordinations among factions
    within the regime, under their growing awareness that Zelensky should
    be replaced by someone else.
    […]

    IMHO It is "likely" but "unofficial" negotiation at sufficiently low
    level would be hard to prove in public. Besides low enough level (less
    than 1_000 "volunteers") without anything on signed paper provides handy deniability. A few hundred "volunteers" with dual citizenship should be
    enough to mask a dozen "very fresh citizens of Russia".

    "Deletion and refute" merely suggest numbers low enough to make
    even "tiny confrontation" with PRC unprofitable *now* .
    Even you do not jump into *over-zealous* denials.

    --
    A. Filip
    | Last time I had intimate contact with another human being was
    | rather a painful experience... I rather liked it... ;)
    | (Brett Manz)

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 6 13:28:31 2025
    Most people, including Chinese and Korean themselves can accurately tell
    a Chinese from a Korean just be looking at them. Digital Conversation
    could be dubbed. No good way to know the truth unless one could talk
    with any of these "Chinese".

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to ltlee1@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 6 15:19:19 2025
    ltlee1@hotmail.com (ltlee1) wrote:
    Most people, including Chinese and Korean themselves can accurately
    tell a Chinese from a Korean just be looking at them. Digital
    Conversation could be dubbed. No good way to know the truth unless one
    could talk with any of these "Chinese".

    No "active battlefield 'observers'" at all would make PRC look stupid IMHO.
    So I agree with you merely in "prove it stupid!" aspect.

    Digital conversations may be faked even by Russia to dupe Ukraine
    [ one of *a few* easy explanations ]

    --
    A. Filip
    | The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts.
    | (Paul Erlich)

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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 6 14:56:34 2025
    "No "active battlefield 'observers'" at all would make PRC look stupid
    IMHO.
    So I agree with you merely in "prove it stupid!" aspect."

    Sorry, don't know what you are agreeing with whom. If you are confused,
    let me help with the following analogous dialogue.

    X says: "Cannot tell whether A certain Philip is a thief."
    Y says: "Believing no thief is stupid."
    Y continues: So I agree with you merely in "prove it stupid!" aspect.

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