• Re: Oh my God, Omicron, where art thou from?

    From wog wacker@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Sat Jan 22 00:28:46 2022
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West is making it
    to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels from SA and
    countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact, it is not even
    the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.


    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.

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  • From paul polikos@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Thu Jan 27 17:52:13 2022
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West is making it
    to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels from SA and
    countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact, it is not
    even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.


    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to paul polikos on Fri Jan 28 00:32:20 2022
    paul polikos wrote:
    wog wacker wrote:
    Westerners make the rules, the rest of the world should follow blindly, no matter how harmful these rules are to the people.
    Look how sick the US has become. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/04/us-counts-over-1-million-new-daily-covid-cases-in-global-record-.html
    the worse is yet to come. there are predictions of over 2 million new infections per day.
    -------
    Number of deaths for leading causes of death [U.S., 2020]:
    Number of deaths: 3,383,729
    1. Heart disease: 696,962
    2. Cancer: 602,350
    3. COVID-19: 350,831
    4. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955
    5. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264
    6. Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657
    7. Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242
    8. Diabetes: 102,188
    9. Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,544
    10. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547
    Source: Mortality in the U.S. 2020, data table for fig. 4 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
    ...
    ...

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Fri Jan 28 00:31:00 2022
    wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.
    -------------------
    To all those freedom- and fun-loving Westerners:
    Stop the partying, you idiots. You are putting the whole world at risk. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/04/omicron-outbreak-at-norway-christmas-party-is-biggest-outside-s-africa-authorities-say.html
    --------
    Yeah, we're adding one billion people every 12 years, and
    wildlife numbers are down 50-60% in the last 50-60 years!
    That's not justice; it's JUST US! lol
    ..
    ..

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 28 00:33:29 2022
    rst88... wrote:
    Well, at least, in the U.S., it's a free world...
    You are free to die as well...
    -----
    All living things have to die someday!
    It's a Law of Nature! lol
    ..
    ..

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  • From frodo sam0@21:1/5 to paul polikos on Sat Feb 5 22:10:51 2022
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West is making
    it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels from SA and
    countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact, it is not
    even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.

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  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 23 18:31:40 2022
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West is
    making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels from SA
    and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact, it is
    not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.

    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to gera...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 8 23:04:53 2022
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West is
    making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels from SA
    and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact, it is
    not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.

    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26 million!
    Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China will be
    available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.

    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it will return to
    business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the economy.
    Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.

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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Sat Apr 9 20:42:57 2022
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:04:55 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West is
    making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels from
    SA and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact, it
    is not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.

    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26 million!
    Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China will be
    available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.

    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it will return
    to business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the economy.
    Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.

    Look at it in numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.

    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.

    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!

    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.

    The Chinese approach to combating the pandemic should be an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is based on science, not politics. In the West and its followers, it is based on politics. "Oh, the people are experiencing isolation-fatigue,
    they are protesting." The ruling party, fearing that it is getting unpopular and may lose in the next election, begins to reduce or remove mitigating measures. These countries are going to experience another big wave of the pandemic soon.

    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.

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  • From David P.@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Sat Apr 9 21:43:12 2022
    wog wacker wrote:
    Look at it in numbers.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.
    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.
    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!
    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.
    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.
    ---------------
    World Population by Year
    2020 7,794,798,739
    2010 6,956,823,603
    2000 6,143,493,823
    1900 1,600,000,000
    1850 1,200,000,000
    1804 1,000,000,000 https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/ ---------
    Nowhere else in Nature does a population increase indefinitely without a crash! And the Laws of Nature supersede and overrule Human laws!
    --
    --

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  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Fri Apr 29 19:06:24 2022
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:42:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:04:55 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West is
    making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels
    from SA and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact, it
    is not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.

    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26 million!
    Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China will be
    available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.

    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it will return
    to business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the economy.
    Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.
    Look at it in numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.

    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.

    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!

    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.

    The Chinese approach to combating the pandemic should be an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is based on science, not politics. In the West and its followers, it is based on politics. "Oh, the people are experiencing isolation-fatigue,
    they are protesting." The ruling party, fearing that it is getting unpopular and may lose in the next election, begins to reduce or remove mitigating measures. These countries are going to experience another big wave of the pandemic soon.

    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.

    China should remain steadfast in the way it is combating the pandemic. Call it zero-tolerance or whatever you want, its basic aim is to contain detected infections to prevent them from spreading nationwide. It has been effective so far.

    What would the Western way of "living with the virus" be like for China?

    Take a look at the US.
    Nearly 60% of people in the United States, including 3 in 4 children, have now been infected with Omicron or another coronavirus variant, data released Tuesday show.
    https://www.statnews.com/2022/04/26/with-omicron-nearly-60-percent-in-us-infected-covid/

    60% of the population of China would translate to about 850 million people! The number of children infected and the number of deaths would be in many millions too. No public health system in the world would be able to cope. It would be a national
    disaster for China.

    It is not the end of the pandemic for the US yet. A new wave is in the making. Daily infections have been rising for the past days, reaching beyond 60,000 now. This new wave will be bigger than all the previous ones. This has been the case so far. This
    is the result of "living with the virus". It means new variants creating new and bigger waves in a vicious cycle.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Tue May 3 22:11:46 2022
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:06:26 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:42:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:04:55 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the West
    is making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels
    from SA and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact,
    it is not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.

    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26 million!
    Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China will be
    available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.

    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it will
    return to business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the
    economy. Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.
    Look at it in numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.

    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.

    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!

    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.

    The Chinese approach to combating the pandemic should be an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is based on science, not politics. In the West and its followers, it is based on politics. "Oh, the people are experiencing isolation-fatigue,
    they are protesting." The ruling party, fearing that it is getting unpopular and may lose in the next election, begins to reduce or remove mitigating measures. These countries are going to experience another big wave of the pandemic soon.

    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.
    China should remain steadfast in the way it is combating the pandemic. Call it zero-tolerance or whatever you want, its basic aim is to contain detected infections to prevent them from spreading nationwide. It has been effective so far.

    What would the Western way of "living with the virus" be like for China?

    Take a look at the US.
    Nearly 60% of people in the United States, including 3 in 4 children, have now been infected with Omicron or another coronavirus variant, data released Tuesday show.
    https://www.statnews.com/2022/04/26/with-omicron-nearly-60-percent-in-us-infected-covid/

    60% of the population of China would translate to about 850 million people! The number of children infected and the number of deaths would be in many millions too. No public health system in the world would be able to cope. It would be a national
    disaster for China.

    It is not the end of the pandemic for the US yet. A new wave is in the making. Daily infections have been rising for the past days, reaching beyond 60,000 now. This new wave will be bigger than all the previous ones. This has been the case so far. This
    is the result of "living with the virus". It means new variants creating new and bigger waves in a vicious cycle.

    New variant of omicron is creating a new wave in the US. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/health/fitter-omicron-descendants-covid-variants/index.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From wog wacker@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Tue May 3 22:24:42 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:11:48 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:06:26 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:42:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:04:55 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the
    West is making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks travels
    from SA and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In fact,
    it is not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.

    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26 million!
    Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China will be
    available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.

    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it will
    return to business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the
    economy. Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.
    Look at it in numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.

    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.

    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!

    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.

    The Chinese approach to combating the pandemic should be an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is based on science, not politics. In the West and its followers, it is based on politics. "Oh, the people are experiencing isolation-
    fatigue, they are protesting." The ruling party, fearing that it is getting unpopular and may lose in the next election, begins to reduce or remove mitigating measures. These countries are going to experience another big wave of the pandemic soon.

    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.
    China should remain steadfast in the way it is combating the pandemic. Call it zero-tolerance or whatever you want, its basic aim is to contain detected infections to prevent them from spreading nationwide. It has been effective so far.

    What would the Western way of "living with the virus" be like for China?

    Take a look at the US.
    Nearly 60% of people in the United States, including 3 in 4 children, have now been infected with Omicron or another coronavirus variant, data released Tuesday show.
    https://www.statnews.com/2022/04/26/with-omicron-nearly-60-percent-in-us-infected-covid/

    60% of the population of China would translate to about 850 million people! The number of children infected and the number of deaths would be in many millions too. No public health system in the world would be able to cope. It would be a national
    disaster for China.

    It is not the end of the pandemic for the US yet. A new wave is in the making. Daily infections have been rising for the past days, reaching beyond 60,000 now. This new wave will be bigger than all the previous ones. This has been the case so far.
    This is the result of "living with the virus". It means new variants creating new and bigger waves in a vicious cycle.
    New variant of omicron is creating a new wave in the US. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/health/fitter-omicron-descendants-covid-variants/index.html

    Shanghai is the most populous city in China. A sudden lockdown has, no doubt, created unforeseen problems. There are protests. Shanghainese should remember this: Shanghai may be important to China but China will always be more important than Shanghai. It
    is better than the Shanghainese co-operate with the authority. This will ensure an earlier ending of the lockdown.

    After a successful lockdown of Shanghai, locking down any other city in China will not be a problem.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From frodo sam0@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Sat May 7 19:02:08 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:24:43 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:11:48 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:06:26 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:42:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:04:55 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the
    West is making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks
    travels from SA and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In
    fact, it is not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.

    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26
    million! Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China
    will be available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.


    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it will
    return to business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the
    economy. Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.
    Look at it in numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.

    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.

    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!

    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.

    The Chinese approach to combating the pandemic should be an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is based on science, not politics. In the West and its followers, it is based on politics. "Oh, the people are experiencing isolation-
    fatigue, they are protesting." The ruling party, fearing that it is getting unpopular and may lose in the next election, begins to reduce or remove mitigating measures. These countries are going to experience another big wave of the pandemic soon.

    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.
    China should remain steadfast in the way it is combating the pandemic. Call it zero-tolerance or whatever you want, its basic aim is to contain detected infections to prevent them from spreading nationwide. It has been effective so far.

    What would the Western way of "living with the virus" be like for China?

    Take a look at the US.
    Nearly 60% of people in the United States, including 3 in 4 children, have now been infected with Omicron or another coronavirus variant, data released Tuesday show.
    https://www.statnews.com/2022/04/26/with-omicron-nearly-60-percent-in-us-infected-covid/

    60% of the population of China would translate to about 850 million people! The number of children infected and the number of deaths would be in many millions too. No public health system in the world would be able to cope. It would be a national
    disaster for China.

    It is not the end of the pandemic for the US yet. A new wave is in the making. Daily infections have been rising for the past days, reaching beyond 60,000 now. This new wave will be bigger than all the previous ones. This has been the case so far.
    This is the result of "living with the virus". It means new variants creating new and bigger waves in a vicious cycle.
    New variant of omicron is creating a new wave in the US. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/health/fitter-omicron-descendants-covid-variants/index.html
    Shanghai is the most populous city in China. A sudden lockdown has, no doubt, created unforeseen problems. There are protests. Shanghainese should remember this: Shanghai may be important to China but China will always be more important than Shanghai.
    It is better than the Shanghainese co-operate with the authority. This will ensure an earlier ending of the lockdown.

    After a successful lockdown of Shanghai, locking down any other city in China will not be a problem.

    Those who criticise and ridicule China over its zero-tolerance approach should look at what's coming up for the US.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/06/fall-winter-coronavirus-wave/

    When it comes to combating a viral infectious disease, the keyword is "CONTROL". You would want to control the spread of the disease. That's means containment. Contain it to where an outbreak is detected. This would require restrictive measures one of
    which is a lockdown.

    In compliance with its treasured values, the approach in the West is based on "FREEDOM". Let the disease spread freely until all those who can be infected will get infected. Many of those infected will die. Only those who survived will become immuned
    to the disease, with many still carrying the virus. A herd immunity is achieved. This is a very inhuman approach. It comes at a huge cost in terms of human lives. Worse, it does not terminate the disease. Many of those who survive will continue to host
    the virus, allowing it to multiply and mutate. New and more virulent variants of the virus will be reproduced.

    The "FREEDOM" approach means that there will be new variant, causing new wave of infection, in a ceaseless and vicious cycle. Infections will spread and deaths will mount, with no end in sight.


    That's the result of with "living with the virus"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From gerard jud@21:1/5 to wog wacker on Sun May 15 08:40:26 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:24:43 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:11:48 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:06:26 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:42:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:04:55 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the
    West is making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks
    travels from SA and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In
    fact, it is not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.

    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26
    million! Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China
    will be available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.


    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it will
    return to business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the
    economy. Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.
    Look at it in numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.

    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.

    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!

    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.

    The Chinese approach to combating the pandemic should be an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is based on science, not politics. In the West and its followers, it is based on politics. "Oh, the people are experiencing isolation-
    fatigue, they are protesting." The ruling party, fearing that it is getting unpopular and may lose in the next election, begins to reduce or remove mitigating measures. These countries are going to experience another big wave of the pandemic soon.

    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.
    China should remain steadfast in the way it is combating the pandemic. Call it zero-tolerance or whatever you want, its basic aim is to contain detected infections to prevent them from spreading nationwide. It has been effective so far.

    What would the Western way of "living with the virus" be like for China?

    Take a look at the US.
    Nearly 60% of people in the United States, including 3 in 4 children, have now been infected with Omicron or another coronavirus variant, data released Tuesday show.
    https://www.statnews.com/2022/04/26/with-omicron-nearly-60-percent-in-us-infected-covid/

    60% of the population of China would translate to about 850 million people! The number of children infected and the number of deaths would be in many millions too. No public health system in the world would be able to cope. It would be a national
    disaster for China.

    It is not the end of the pandemic for the US yet. A new wave is in the making. Daily infections have been rising for the past days, reaching beyond 60,000 now. This new wave will be bigger than all the previous ones. This has been the case so far.
    This is the result of "living with the virus". It means new variants creating new and bigger waves in a vicious cycle.
    New variant of omicron is creating a new wave in the US. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/health/fitter-omicron-descendants-covid-variants/index.html
    Shanghai is the most populous city in China. A sudden lockdown has, no doubt, created unforeseen problems. There are protests. Shanghainese should remember this: Shanghai may be important to China but China will always be more important than Shanghai.
    It is better than the Shanghainese co-operate with the authority. This will ensure an earlier ending of the lockdown.

    After a successful lockdown of Shanghai, locking down any other city in China will not be a problem.

    One of the reasons why Shanghai is facing more problems than other Chinese cities in lockdown is because it is a cosmopolitan city with a lot of foreigners. These people, especially Westerners, think they are above Chinese laws and should not be
    subjected to Chinese rules. They show no respect for Chinese authorities. Below are two examples.

    1. Fucking rude German male talking to a young Chinese female health worker, using the ‘F’ word and condemning China and the Chinese government, liberally.
    What a son-of-a-bitch!

    https://youtu.be/GKe6mTaGsrQ


    2. Two American females talking to a Chinese health worker.. The one that spoke most is more polite. The other one that intermittently joined in was a real bitch. At time mark 5:00, she could be heard to refer to “these fucking Chinese”.
    Fuck you, bitch!

    https://youtu.be/ZkpjAglqKLI



    The Chinese authorities should come down hard on these uncultured and uncivilised Westerners. Give them hell. There should be no special treatment for them. Chinese authorities should treat Westerners who refuse to follow rules as harshly as they
    treat their own citizens. There shouldn’t be one set of rules for Westerners and another for the locals.

    These ungrateful Westerners come to China to have a good life which they cannot get in their own countries. Due to China’s excellent record in controlling the COVID pandemic, they have been able to live normally, free of infections. They should
    consider themselves lucky to be in China during these times. Just because they experience some inconveniences due to lockdown, they become rude to Chinese health workers and criticise China without reserves. These rude bastards and bitches should know
    that the pandemic has been much worse in their own countries. If they don’t like it, they should get the fuck out of China. And never come back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From frodo sam0@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 9 19:58:24 2022
    On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 2:02:09 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:24:43 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:11:48 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 2:06:26 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:42:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:04:55 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 1:31:41 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 6:10:53 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:52:15 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:28:47 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 2:22:14 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
    The Americans think they can use the latest variant to slap China.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3157645/omicron-variant-slap-china-us-praises-south-africas-detection

    Not so fast. There's already have a new wave in US and Europe for weeks before a new variant, Omicron, emerges. Initially reported as "discovered" in South Africa (SA). Now reported as first “detected" there. The soft power of the
    West is making it to be believed that it originated from SA.

    SA may have growing number of infections recently but it is nothing compared to the number of infections in US and Europe. It is more likely that the new variant has originated in the latter two regions. If the world only blocks
    travels from SA and countries around it but not those from US and Europe, this variant is going to create another round of devastation worldwide.

    Those freedom and individual rights of the Westerners have failed the world again. They reject vaccination, refused to wear mask and protest in big groups. Many carry the virus, providing fertile grounds for it to flourish and
    mutate.

    Again, China's zero-tolerance have been proven right. This means few Chinese carry the virus which means low probability of mutations. Despite having the world's largest population, China has not been the source of new variants. In
    fact, it is not even the origin of the pandemic.

    Sure, the Chinese economy loses out on tourism. But it gains much more from goods which its healthy population can continue to produce.
    Omicron was present in the US earlier than it was detected in S. Africa.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7103a5.htm?s_cid=mm7103a5_w

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/590776-cdc-report-suggests-omicron-arrived-in-the-us

    Again, this proves that the place where the coronavirus is first detected or discovered cannot be assumed to be the place of its origin. "China is the origin of the Covid-Sars-2" is a wrong assumption.
    Ave daily new infections above 500K. Total deaths have exceeded 900K. Ave daily death above 2K, within 2-3 mths, will hit 1Million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    This guy is worth listening to, not only because he's a highly qualified medical professional, but also because he talks a lot of sense backed up with a lot of data.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32IAD5NyqWg

    Nearing the end, he offers some gems of advice.
    43:50 What Happens Next
    52:10 Managing Pandemics
    52:50 A Few Lessons

    Governments around the world should take heed.
    It's over 1 Million dead in the US; and still counting up. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    The recent lockdown of Shanghai to combat the spread of the pandemic has attracted much negative reporting from the Western and Taiwanese media. They have a field day showing videos of some Shanghainese expressing their anger at the authority.


    Before Shanghai, other cities have been lockdowned before. They have been effective in controlling the spread of the pandemic. The difference with Shanghai is that it is the largest city to have been lockdowned so far. It’s a city of 26
    million! Lockdown has to be sudden or it will be ineffective. The suddenness of it will also create sudden disruptions of lives of its residents, with many accompanying problems. These will be sorted out over time. Resources from other parts of China
    will be available for Shanghai. As long as only one city or province are infected, the rest of China can come together to fix the problem. The alternative scenario, no lockdown, allowing the pandemic to spread widely throughout China, would be much worse.


    Those foreigners who wish the worse for China will be disappointed, yet again. Those Shanghainese who have protested only make up a tiny fraction of the population of the city. The spread of infections in Shanghai will be contained and it
    will return to business as usual within a short period of time.

    So far, China has held an excellent record in combating the spread of the pandemic. Being the most populous nation on earth, its total number of infections is much lower than many less populous nations. Lockdowns have negligible effect on the
    economy. Because of the lockdowns, the spread is contained. Most Chinese citizens remain healthy, and therefore productive, most of the time. As a result, China’s economic growth continues to impress.

    Those who follow the Western way, where instead of lockdown, the mitigating measures are relaxed once the pandemic falls from its most recent peak, will suffer bigger and bigger waves of the pandemic, long into the future.
    Look at it in numbers.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    For the world, total number of infections is approaching 500 million, death about 6.2 million.

    China, pop. of 1.4 billion, total number of infections is about 165,000, death about 4,600.

    US, pop. of 330 million, total number of infections has exceeded 82 million, death has exceeded 1 million!

    Singapore, pop. of 6 million, total number of infections is about 1 million, death about 1,300.

    The Chinese approach to combating the pandemic should be an example for the rest of the world to follow. It is based on science, not politics. In the West and its followers, it is based on politics. "Oh, the people are experiencing isolation-
    fatigue, they are protesting." The ruling party, fearing that it is getting unpopular and may lose in the next election, begins to reduce or remove mitigating measures. These countries are going to experience another big wave of the pandemic soon.

    When it comes to combating the COVID-19 pandemic, the West should shut-up and listen to the Chinese.
    China should remain steadfast in the way it is combating the pandemic. Call it zero-tolerance or whatever you want, its basic aim is to contain detected infections to prevent them from spreading nationwide. It has been effective so far.

    What would the Western way of "living with the virus" be like for China?

    Take a look at the US.
    Nearly 60% of people in the United States, including 3 in 4 children, have now been infected with Omicron or another coronavirus variant, data released Tuesday show.
    https://www.statnews.com/2022/04/26/with-omicron-nearly-60-percent-in-us-infected-covid/

    60% of the population of China would translate to about 850 million people! The number of children infected and the number of deaths would be in many millions too. No public health system in the world would be able to cope. It would be a national
    disaster for China.

    It is not the end of the pandemic for the US yet. A new wave is in the making. Daily infections have been rising for the past days, reaching beyond 60,000 now. This new wave will be bigger than all the previous ones. This has been the case so far.
    This is the result of "living with the virus". It means new variants creating new and bigger waves in a vicious cycle.
    New variant of omicron is creating a new wave in the US. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/health/fitter-omicron-descendants-covid-variants/index.html
    Shanghai is the most populous city in China. A sudden lockdown has, no doubt, created unforeseen problems. There are protests. Shanghainese should remember this: Shanghai may be important to China but China will always be more important than Shanghai.
    It is better than the Shanghainese co-operate with the authority. This will ensure an earlier ending of the lockdown.

    After a successful lockdown of Shanghai, locking down any other city in China will not be a problem.
    Those who criticise and ridicule China over its zero-tolerance approach should look at what's coming up for the US.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/06/fall-winter-coronavirus-wave/

    When it comes to combating a viral infectious disease, the keyword is "CONTROL". You would want to control the spread of the disease. That's means containment. Contain it to where an outbreak is detected. This would require restrictive measures one of
    which is a lockdown.

    In compliance with its treasured values, the approach in the West is based on "FREEDOM". Let the disease spread freely until all those who can be infected will get infected. Many of those infected will die. Only those who survived will become immuned
    to the disease, with many still carrying the virus. A herd immunity is achieved. This is a very inhuman approach. It comes at a huge cost in terms of human lives. Worse, it does not terminate the disease. Many of those who survive will continue to host
    the virus, allowing it to multiply and mutate. New and more virulent variants of the virus will be reproduced.

    The "FREEDOM" approach means that there will be new variant, causing new wave of infection, in a ceaseless and vicious cycle. Infections will spread and deaths will mount, with no end in sight.


    That's the result of with "living with the virus"

    Read this. The result of living with the virus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/01/us-covid-surge-cases-rate

    This not only endangers Americans but people all over the world. The rest of the world should ban Americans from their countries until the US can come out with an accurate figure of actual total infections.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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