"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
"the orcs," as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev's propaganda.
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062...@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total
number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiers
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
"the orcs," as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev's propaganda."Orc Horde" <https://tinyurl.com/26xlo4bs>
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:16:01 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the
total number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens
of thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures
for now.
Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiers
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
"the orcs," as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev's propaganda.
"Orc Horde" <https://tinyurl.com/26xlo4bs>
You mentioned regular people. Another concern is whether Zelensky
himself knows the scale of real losses. Is he still a celebrity? Or is he
a real leader? He gave a speech over the internet every night. But did
he has real understanding of the conflict? Or was he given a speech
and he just acted out his presidential role every night?
Even if one accepts Zelensky's figure of 60 to 100 each day, it is on the average 80 a day. Or 8000 dead over 100 days. 500 wounded or disabled
each day which amounts to 50,000 over 100 days.
Anyway, Sergei Poletaev raises a King Solomon's question. Which country
do not mind to see Ukraine turning into a failed state?
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062-bfd8-249ce32e4d76n@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total >> number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of
thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiers
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
[…]
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the
total number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at
tens of thousands, and the country’s public opinion accepts these
figures for now. Yes, the losses are high, but they are successfully
holding back “the orcs,” as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev’s propaganda. However, these are the best, most experienced and most
motivated fighters, and – at least in the coming months – it will be
hard to replace them. In addition, the defensive tactics of the Armed
Forces of Ukraine work well in the fortified positions that have been
created in the Donbass in recent years. How untrained recruits will
perform outside of such positions and against an army experienced in
assault operations, only the future will show.
How many weapons is Ukraine prepared to lose?
On the face of it, given Kiev seems to have a ‘cheat code’ for an
endless supply of ammunition and guns from the West, this issue is irrelevant. But the backbone of an army, especially a defending army,
is not hipster drones or single, obsolete armored vehicles, but
artillery: guns, howitzers, MLRS, and mortars. With the current scale
of combat operations, thousands or tens of thousands, and millions of
pieces of ammunition for them are needed.
Yes, the USSR accumulated weapons for a couple of world wars, and the lion’s share of these weapons was kept in Ukraine and now serves
Kiev’s needs. Yes, military aid is brought in from around the world,
but the flow is less than the losses at the front. As the Soviet
stockpile is exhausted, the West will face the task of fully supplying Ukraine with military supplies on a scale not seen in decades; it will
have to supply a battle-hardened but severely depleted army with a significant percentage of untrained recruits, which means even more casualties and the need for even greater supplies.
How long will Ukraine survive economically?
They say Ukraine’s GDP will fall twofold this year, by about $100
billion. Keeping the economy afloat in the face of mobilization, loss
of territory, stagnant businesses, and currency devaluation will
require considerable investment from the West. Even a full
confiscation of Russian foreign currency reserves would only partly compensate for this, as there is still the issue of military supplies,
which requires up to another $1 billion daily.
What about Russia? As long as the Russian Army’s tactic of slow
advance with reliance on artillery is paying off, we should not expect
it to change. If the Russian Armed Forces completely stall, whether in defense of Slavyansk/Kramatorsk, or on the outskirts of Kharkov or
Nikolaev, the issue of a broad military mobilization will have to be resolved, which is still politically unacceptable for the Kremlin."
30.05.2022 ; What Sort of Losses Can Ukraine Tolerate Before It’s
Forced to Seek a Peace Deal With Russia?
[…] This article was originally published on globalaffairs.ru and translated and re-published by RT.com.
Chamberlain Declares “Peace for Our Time”
On September 30, 1938, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain
received a rowdy homecoming after signing a peace pact with Nazi
Germany.
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?they are successfully holding back “the orcs,” as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev’s propaganda. However, these are the best, most experienced and most motivated fighters, and – at least in the coming months – it will be hard to replace them.
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of thousands, and the country’s public opinion accepts these figures for now. Yes, the losses are high, but
How many weapons is Ukraine prepared to lose?armored vehicles, but artillery: guns, howitzers, MLRS, and mortars. With the current scale of combat operations, thousands or tens of thousands, and millions of pieces of ammunition for them are needed.
On the face of it, given Kiev seems to have a ‘cheat code’ for an endless supply of ammunition and guns from the West, this issue is irrelevant. But the backbone of an army, especially a defending army, is not hipster drones or single, obsolete
Yes, the USSR accumulated weapons for a couple of world wars, and the lion’s share of these weapons was kept in Ukraine and now serves Kiev’s needs. Yes, military aid is brought in from around the world, but the flow is less than the losses at thefront. As the Soviet stockpile is exhausted, the West will face the task of fully supplying Ukraine with military supplies on a scale not seen in decades; it will have to supply a battle-hardened but severely depleted army with a significant percentage
How long will Ukraine survive economically?Even a full confiscation of Russian foreign currency reserves would only partly compensate for this, as there is still the issue of military supplies, which requires up to another $1 billion daily.
They say Ukraine’s GDP will fall twofold this year, by about $100 billion. Keeping the economy afloat in the face of mobilization, loss of territory, stagnant businesses, and currency devaluation will require considerable investment from the West.
What about Russia? As long as the Russian Army’s tactic of slow advance with reliance on artillery is paying off, we should not expect it to change. If the Russian Armed Forces completely stall, whether in defense of Slavyansk/Kramatorsk, or on theoutskirts of Kharkov or Nikolaev, the issue of a broad military mobilization will have to be resolved, which is still politically unacceptable for the Kremlin."
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:16:01 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062...@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total
number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiersYou mentioned regular people. Another concern is whether Zelensky
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
"the orcs," as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev's propaganda."Orc Horde" <https://tinyurl.com/26xlo4bs>
himself knows the scale of real losses. Is he still a celebrity? Or is he
a real leader? He gave a speech over the internet every night. But did
he has real understanding of the conflict? Or was he given a speech
and he just acted out his presidential role every night?
Even if one accepts Zelensky's figure of 60 to 100 each day, it is on the average 80 a day. Or 8000 dead over 100 days. 500 wounded or disabled
each day which amounts to 50,000 over 100 days.
Anyway, Sergei Poletaev raises a King Solomon's question. Which country
do not mind to see Ukraine turning into a failed state?
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 7:16:08 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:but they are successfully holding back “the orcs,” as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev’s propaganda. However, these are the best, most experienced and most motivated fighters, and – at least in the coming months – it will be hard to replace
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of thousands, and the country’s public opinion accepts these figures for now. Yes, the losses are high,
armored vehicles, but artillery: guns, howitzers, MLRS, and mortars. With the current scale of combat operations, thousands or tens of thousands, and millions of pieces of ammunition for them are needed.How many weapons is Ukraine prepared to lose?
On the face of it, given Kiev seems to have a ‘cheat code’ for an endless supply of ammunition and guns from the West, this issue is irrelevant. But the backbone of an army, especially a defending army, is not hipster drones or single, obsolete
the front. As the Soviet stockpile is exhausted, the West will face the task of fully supplying Ukraine with military supplies on a scale not seen in decades; it will have to supply a battle-hardened but severely depleted army with a significantYes, the USSR accumulated weapons for a couple of world wars, and the lion’s share of these weapons was kept in Ukraine and now serves Kiev’s needs. Yes, military aid is brought in from around the world, but the flow is less than the losses at
Even a full confiscation of Russian foreign currency reserves would only partly compensate for this, as there is still the issue of military supplies, which requires up to another $1 billion daily.How long will Ukraine survive economically?
They say Ukraine’s GDP will fall twofold this year, by about $100 billion. Keeping the economy afloat in the face of mobilization, loss of territory, stagnant businesses, and currency devaluation will require considerable investment from the West.
outskirts of Kharkov or Nikolaev, the issue of a broad military mobilization will have to be resolved, which is still politically unacceptable for the Kremlin."What about Russia? As long as the Russian Army’s tactic of slow advance with reliance on artillery is paying off, we should not expect it to change. If the Russian Armed Forces completely stall, whether in defense of Slavyansk/Kramatorsk, or on the
In response to the subject title, it is not possible for Ukraine to enter into peace deal when Russia has abandoned it. Russia is already in progress to takeover the eastern side of Ukraine. Their war power machine will take the 20% of eastern Ukrainewill end soon. too. Both side will have heavy losses, but Russia will have an upper hands on Ukraine. Ukraine's resistance and victory will depend on the how much advanced weapons they received from their allies.
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:25:07 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:The same goes to Russia's losses, too. Putin will not tell and forever the Duma and Russian people will not know it. What is at stake now is complete takeover of eastern Ukraine in 2 week's time. What is important to Putin is he knows that the war will
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:16:01 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062...@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total
number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiersYou mentioned regular people. Another concern is whether Zelensky
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
"the orcs," as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev's propaganda."Orc Horde" <https://tinyurl.com/26xlo4bs>
himself knows the scale of real losses. Is he still a celebrity? Or is he a real leader? He gave a speech over the internet every night. But did
he has real understanding of the conflict? Or was he given a speech
and he just acted out his presidential role every night?
Even if one accepts Zelensky's figure of 60 to 100 each day, it is on the average 80 a day. Or 8000 dead over 100 days. 500 wounded or disabled
each day which amounts to 50,000 over 100 days.
Anyway, Sergei Poletaev raises a King Solomon's question. Which country
do not mind to see Ukraine turning into a failed state?
Zelensky himself should know his losses. But leader normally will not tell their true figures. It will not be told even until years later. The losses will be for media and historians to guess and put a figure for it.
"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote:Putin, AFAIK, has near total control over the Russian military apparatus. Can one say the same about Zelensky. And of course, Russia has a population
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062...@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total
number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of
thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiers
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
[…]
Does Russians realize really realize the scale of real russian loses?
Does it create future political IED?Politically, political IED should be expected from the beginning. The issue
ltlee1, <news:1336c970-0fd6-4c4f...@googlegroups.com>
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:16:01 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the >>> total number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens >>> of thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures
for now.
Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiers
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
"the orcs," as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev's propaganda.
"Orc Horde" <https://tinyurl.com/26xlo4bs>
You mentioned regular people. Another concern is whether ZelenskyZelensky continues to play a celebrity, but this time mainly in
himself knows the scale of real losses. Is he still a celebrity? Or is he
a real leader? He gave a speech over the internet every night. But did
he has real understanding of the conflict? Or was he given a speech
and he just acted out his presidential role every night?
front of the "international community" <https://bit.ly/3th9ifp>.
And Zelensky before and after the election (that happened in the Kiev-controlled territory in spring of 2019) is somewhat like two
different individuals. The voters preffered him to Poroshenko
mainly because he definitely promised to end the Donbas-related
hostilities and restore popular confidence in governance (which
had dropped to a very low level in the end of the Poroshenko's
term). There was also a hope that he would mute the lynching-like
activism of the domestic Nazi(-like) radicals. However, later it
turned out that none of this came true.
Few months after Zelensky had taken office, made first reshuffles,
and conversations with the Atlanticist leaders, it became clear
the conditions set by the Atlanticism in combination with the
constraints from the domestic structures stuffed with people whom
the Atlanticism bribed and / or nurtured before, will keep a firm
cinch on the regime's principal policies regardless of what
Zelensky promised or hinted while campaigning for president.
So I believe he knows pretty well what is relly going on, but it
would be wrong to see him as a figure in position to principally
decide something.
Even if one accepts Zelensky's figure of 60 to 100 each day, it is on the average 80 a day. Or 8000 dead over 100 days. 500 wounded or disabled
each day which amounts to 50,000 over 100 days.
Anyway, Sergei Poletaev raises a King Solomon's question. Which country
do not mind to see Ukraine turning into a failed state?
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 3:40:36 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote:Putin, AFAIK, has near total control over the Russian military apparatus. Can one say the same about Zelensky. And of course, Russia has a population
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062...@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total
number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of
thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiers
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
[…]
Does Russians realize really realize the scale of real russian loses?
3+ times bigger than Ukraine. More important, the war was fought in Ukraine, not in Russia. And it is losing population over emigration.
Does it create future political IED?Politically, political IED should be expected from the beginning. The issue is which country or countries do not mind to see Ukraine turned into a
failed state.
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 6:21:52 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:end his favor and not Ukraine. Putin knows that US has failed to participate and challenge him. Hence the losses of dead to Putin is nothing and not important to Russia's goals.
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:25:07 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:16:01 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062...@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total
number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiersYou mentioned regular people. Another concern is whether Zelensky himself knows the scale of real losses. Is he still a celebrity? Or is he
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
"the orcs," as Russian troops are dubbed in Kiev's propaganda."Orc Horde" <https://tinyurl.com/26xlo4bs>
a real leader? He gave a speech over the internet every night. But did he has real understanding of the conflict? Or was he given a speech
and he just acted out his presidential role every night?
Even if one accepts Zelensky's figure of 60 to 100 each day, it is on the
average 80 a day. Or 8000 dead over 100 days. 500 wounded or disabled each day which amounts to 50,000 over 100 days.
Anyway, Sergei Poletaev raises a King Solomon's question. Which country do not mind to see Ukraine turning into a failed state?
Zelensky himself should know his losses. But leader normally will not tell their true figures. It will not be told even until years later. The losses will be for media and historians to guess and put a figure for it.The same goes to Russia's losses, too. Putin will not tell and forever the Duma and Russian people will not know it. What is at stake now is complete takeover of eastern Ukraine in 2 week's time. What is important to Putin is he knows that the war will
Zelensky was the people's choice. But it does not mean he is the military's choice. He is a total outsider to Ukraine's military establishment. How much has
he entrenched himself and his people into the Ukrainian governing bureaucracy
is still unknown to foreigners and to perhaps to most Ukrainians as well. In comparison, Trump is a lot more entrenched because of America's polarized politics and because the long election season.
IMO, he is at present more a tool for the generals and admirals for weapon and
other assistance. Over the Western media, he is stuck with his angry man image
constantly complaining against US allies for not doing enough.
ltlee1 wrote:
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 3:40:36 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:It is more about Putin's loosing "comfortable support" by (majority of) Russians.
"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote:Putin, AFAIK, has near total control over the Russian military apparatus. Can
ltlee1, <news:d49f5b33-ddf3-4062...@googlegroups.com>
"How many people is Ukraine prepared to lose?
Politically, it appears, the answer is quite a lot. At this point, the total
number of troops killed, injured or captured is estimated at tens of >> >> thousands, and the country's public opinion accepts these figures for now.
Regular people in the Kiev-controlled territory do not really
realize the scale of real losses. Propaganda is unbridled and
massive. Their military do not report own losses and, on the
other hand, they report - along with the Atlanticist MSM - very
fantastic figures for Russian losses.
Zelensky recently said they are losing about 100 dead soldiers
per day, but many analysts believe this figure is understated in
times, while realistic figure would be within 300-600 per day.
[…]
Does Russians realize really realize the scale of real russian loses?
one say the same about Zelensky. And of course, Russia has a population
3+ times bigger than Ukraine. More important, the war was fought in Ukraine,
not in Russia. And it is losing population over emigration.
IMHO it is likely unless Ukraine over blows russian losses more than twice.
Does it create future political IED?Politically, political IED should be expected from the beginning. The issue
is which country or countries do not mind to see Ukraine turned into a failed state.
It is likely but it is too early to be even 2/3 sure.
--
Zelensky continues to play a celebrity, but this time mainly in
front of the "international community" <https://bit.ly/3th9ifp>.
And Zelensky before and after the election (that happened in the Kiev-controlled territory in spring of 2019) is somewhat like two
different individuals. The voters preferred him to Poroshenko
mainly because he definitely promised to end the Donbas-related
hostilities and restore popular confidence in governance (which
had dropped to a very low level in the end of the Poroshenko's
term). There was also a hope that he would mute the lynching-like
activism of the domestic Nazi(-like) radicals. However, later it
turned out that none of this came true.
Few months after Zelensky had taken office, made first reshuffles,
and conversations with the Atlanticist leaders, it became clear
the conditions set by the Atlanticism in combination with the
constraints from the domestic structures stuffed with people whom
the Atlanticism bribed and / or nurtured before, will keep a firm
cinch on the regime's principal policies regardless of what
Zelensky promised or hinted while campaigning for president.
Zelensky continues to play a celebrity, but this time mainly in
front of the "international community" <https://bit.ly/3th9ifp>.
And Zelensky before and after the election (that happened in the Kiev-controlled territory in spring of 2019) is somewhat like two
different individuals. The voters preferred him to Poroshenko
mainly because he definitely promised to end the Donbas-related
hostilities and restore popular confidence in governance (which
had dropped to a very low level in the end of the Poroshenko's
term). There was also a hope that he would mute the lynching-like
activism of the domestic Nazi(-like) radicals. However, later it
turned out that none of this came true.
Few months after Zelensky had taken office, made first reshuffles,Here's a NYT article <https://archive.is/5Epyp> (published about
and conversations with the Atlanticist leaders, it became clear
the conditions set by the Atlanticism in combination with the
constraints from the domestic structures stuffed with people whom
the Atlanticism bribed and / or nurtured before, will keep a firm
cinch on the regime's principal policies regardless of what
Zelensky promised or hinted while campaigning for president.
six months after the election of Zelensky) that reveals some
traces of the undercarpet fuss and negotiation at the time. During
the election campaign, Zelensky seemed to be really intended to
solve the Donbas issue in a decent peaceful way and also normalize
the relationship with Russia. Kolomoisky (the interviewee) was at
the time within the Zelensky camp and voiced its "thoughts".
Subsequent developments showed that the Atlanticism managed to
coerce Zelensky to abandon his electoral agenda and continue the confrontational line of his predecessor. Thus Zelensky betrayed
the expectations of the voters on the Kiev-controlled territory
who believed his electoral promises. This betrayal was soon
compensated by amplification of hateful anti-Russia / anti-Donbas
propaganda and gradual crackdown on the regime's internal critics.
The situation when elected leaders betray the expectations of
their voters and abandon electoral promises is more the rule than
the exception for the modern Western-style democracies. Because,
besides ordinary voters, there's always some more powerful forces
that may be national corporate clans with their business interest
or powerful foreign forces. The Zelensky case illustrates such a
state of affairs pretty well.
The case also can illustrate how massive and unbridledly hateful
propaganda in combination with suppression of all critical voices
can maintain a manageable level of stupidity within the populace.
The main argument the Atlanticist politicians and media employ to
justify the need to support the post-coup Kiev regime is "defense
of democracy", which sounds like an insult to intelligence if one
takes into account the above story. In the perverted Atlanticist interpretation, 'democracy' primarily means a regime obedient to
the Atlanticist neo-imperial lust for global hegemony. Everything
else is pretty secondary.
1. Soviets were ready to tolerate even "Stalingrad loses".
Czechoslovakia surrendered to hitler with no fight.
2. Any stupid chief can _start_ a war.
3. The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it.
-- George Orwell
Putin have not stopped after annexation of Crimea.
Putin have not stopped after creation of two people republics.
Will Putin stop after current *open* military invasion? I doubt so.
--
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