"According to unconfirmed reports, the new authorities of the regions will hold a vote on 11 September. Taking into consideration Russian laws and the fact that many local residents hold Russian passports, there seem to be no obstacles to holding thereferendum.
Following Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, similar referendums are likely to be held in Odessa, Kharkiv and Nikolayev regions of Ukraine.proclaimed republics.
Afterwards, a special federal referendum can be held at the initiative of the Kremlin. It may also be regional votes, like it was in 2020. In the weakest scenario, the new authorities of the above-mentioned regions will proclaim themselves as self-
A simplified procedure to apply for Russian citizenship has been in force in Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine since May 25. Volodymyr Saldo, the head of the Kherson military and civilian administration said that any Ukrainian would be able toapply for a Russian passport.
For the time being, Russia has not taken the Zaporozhye under total control, which makes a referendum not advisable.
Sergei Kiriyenko, first deputy chairman of the Russian presidential administration, personally visited the Kherson reigon. Kiriyenko made a number of important statements as a result of his visit:
Any residents of the Kherson region will be able to apply for Russian passports in the near future;
Russia will gradually finance all social spheres — pensions, social payments, salaries, which were previously paid by the Ukrainian authorities.
The Kherson region will become a full-fledged region of Russia, similarly to how it was the case of Crimea. There will be no entry time discrimination."
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152291-ukraine_russia_annex/
Looks like the conflict would continue for a while.
At least until promised financial assistance and advanced weapons from the West are delivered and significantly change the battlefield.
"According to unconfirmed reports, the new authorities of the regions[…]
will hold a vote on 11 September. Taking into consideration Russian
laws and the fact that many local residents hold Russian passports,
there seem to be no obstacles to holding the referendum.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152291-ukraine_russia_annex/
Looks like the conflict would continue for a while.
At least until promised financial assistance and advanced weapons from
the West are delivered and significantly change the battlefield.
"According to unconfirmed reports, the new authorities of the regions will hold a vote on 11 September. Taking into consideration Russian laws and the fact that many local residents hold Russian passports, there seem to be no obstacles to holding thereferendum.
Following Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, similar referendums are likely to be held in Odessa, Kharkiv and Nikolayev regions of Ukraine.proclaimed republics.
Afterwards, a special federal referendum can be held at the initiative of the Kremlin. It may also be regional votes, like it was in 2020. In the weakest scenario, the new authorities of the above-mentioned regions will proclaim themselves as self-
A simplified procedure to apply for Russian citizenship has been in force in Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine since May 25. Volodymyr Saldo, the head of the Kherson military and civilian administration said that any Ukrainian would be able toapply for a Russian passport.
For the time being, Russia has not taken the Zaporozhye under total control, which makes a referendum not advisable.
Sergei Kiriyenko, first deputy chairman of the Russian presidential administration, personally visited the Kherson reigon. Kiriyenko made a number of important statements as a result of his visit:
Any residents of the Kherson region will be able to apply for Russian passports in the near future;
Russia will gradually finance all social spheres — pensions, social payments, salaries, which were previously paid by the Ukrainian authorities.
The Kherson region will become a full-fledged region of Russia, similarly to how it was the case of Crimea. There will be no entry time discrimination."
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152291-ukraine_russia_annex/
Looks like the conflict would continue for a while.
At least until promised financial assistance and advanced weapons from the West are delivered and significantly change the battlefield.
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
"According to unconfirmed reports, the new authorities of the regions
will hold a vote on 11 September. Taking into consideration Russian
laws and the fact that many local residents hold Russian passports,
there seem to be no obstacles to holding the referendum.
Typical Russian fake news. The elections will not be fair. This is the Russians we are talking about. Remember Crimea?
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152291-ukraine_russia_annex/
bmoore, <news:18dcb942-006a-4e82...@googlegroups.com>
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
"According to unconfirmed reports, the new authorities of the regions
will hold a vote on 11 September. Taking into consideration Russian
laws and the fact that many local residents hold Russian passports,
there seem to be no obstacles to holding the referendum.
Typical Russian fake news. The elections will not be fair. This is the Russians we are talking about. Remember Crimea?Bmoore is an incurable baby, for other readers the below - about Crimea.
May 2014, American Pew found "Crimean residents are almost universally positive toward Russia .. Overwhelming majorities say the March 16th referendum was free and fair (91%)" <https://is.gd/agkuT2>
Gallup poll (sponsored by the U.S. government, suddenly), in June 2014 <https://is.gd/xptTX9> (page 28) had found that the vast majority of the Crimeans agree that the referendum expressed their will fairly.
In February 2015, the major German pollster GfK had found similar results <https://is.gd/Yhm15G>: when Crimeans were asked "do you endorse Russia's annexation" 93% gave positive response while only 4% said they dislike it.
That's what drives the Westerners so mad: the glaringly obvious fact
that the overwhelming majority of the locals volutarily preferred to join Russia instead of "association with the EU" etc (because the Westerners
keep such a big wishful thinking that everyone must be dreaming of being somehow associated with "the west").
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152291-ukraine_russia_annex/
Pravda.ru is known so that its reporting is sometimes unbalanced, btw.
What they predict is not necessarily to come true.
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
bmoore, <news:18dcb942-006a-4e82...@googlegroups.com>
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
"According to unconfirmed reports, the new authorities of the regions >> will hold a vote on 11 September. Taking into consideration Russian
laws and the fact that many local residents hold Russian passports,
there seem to be no obstacles to holding the referendum.
Translation: Oleg is a Russian troll.Typical Russian fake news. The elections will not be fair. This is the Russians we are talking about. Remember Crimea?Bmoore is an incurable baby, for other readers the below - about Crimea.
May 2014, American Pew found "Crimean residents are almost universally positive toward Russia .. Overwhelming majorities say the March 16th referendum was free and fair (91%)" <https://is.gd/agkuT2>
Gallup poll (sponsored by the U.S. government, suddenly), in June 2014 <https://is.gd/xptTX9> (page 28) had found that the vast majority of the Crimeans agree that the referendum expressed their will fairly.
In February 2015, the major German pollster GfK had found similar results <https://is.gd/Yhm15G>: when Crimeans were asked "do you endorse Russia's annexation" 93% gave positive response while only 4% said they dislike it.
That's what drives the Westerners so mad: the glaringly obvious fact
that the overwhelming majority of the locals volutarily preferred to join Russia instead of "association with the EU" etc (because the Westerners keep such a big wishful thinking that everyone must be dreaming of being somehow associated with "the west").
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152291-ukraine_russia_annex/
Pravda.ru is known so that its reporting is sometimes unbalanced, btw.
What they predict is not necessarily to come true.
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:23:59 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/25/580577210/how-has-life-in-crimea-changed-since-russia-seized-it-from-ukraine
DAVID GREENE, HOST: So it's been nearly four years now since Russia seized the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine by force. This was a move that led to sanctions against Russia, also soured relations between Russia and the West. NPR's Moscow correspondent Lucian Kim was in Crimea when Russian troops arrived, and he returned there this week. We began our conversation with Lucian talking about the changes he's noticed since Russia took over.
LUCIAN KIM, BYLINE: What I found most surprising is that people were afraid to talk on microphone even if they support the takeover, even if they
support Russian President Vladimir Putin. The main complaint I heard from almost everyone I talked to was that there's not enough work, that prices have doubled because the land connection to Ukraine has been cut. One driver even told me that the bribes have doubled.
May 2014, American Pew found "Crimean residents are almost universally
positive toward Russia .. Overwhelming majorities say the March 16th
referendum was free and fair (91%)" <https://is.gd/agkuT2>
Gallup poll (sponsored by the U.S. government, suddenly), in June 2014
<https://is.gd/xptTX9> (page 28) had found that the vast majority of the >>> Crimeans agree that the referendum expressed their will fairly.
In February 2015, the major German pollster GfK had found similar results >>> <https://is.gd/Yhm15G>: when Crimeans were asked "do you endorse Russia's >>> annexation" 93% gave positive response while only 4% said they dislike
it.
That's what drives the Westerners so mad: the glaringly obvious fact
that the overwhelming majority of the locals volutarily preferred to join >>> Russia instead of "association with the EU" etc (because the Westerners
keep such a big wishful thinking that everyone must be dreaming of being >>> somehow associated with "the west").
bmoore, <news:8aa0bec6-696d-4e5c-88cd-2f2d1144ee9an@googlegroups.com>
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:23:59 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/25/580577210/how-has-life-in-crimea-changed-since-russia-seized-it-from-ukraine
DAVID GREENE, HOST: So it's been nearly four years now since Russia seized >> the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine by force. This was a move that led to
sanctions against Russia, also soured relations between Russia and the West. >> NPR's Moscow correspondent Lucian Kim was in Crimea when Russian troops
arrived, and he returned there this week. We began our conversation with
Lucian talking about the changes he's noticed since Russia took over.
LUCIAN KIM, BYLINE: What I found most surprising is that people were afraid >> to talk on microphone even if they support the takeover, even if they
support Russian President Vladimir Putin. The main complaint I heard from
almost everyone I talked to was that there's not enough work, that prices
have doubled because the land connection to Ukraine has been cut. One driver >> even told me that the bribes have doubled.
American propaganda bullshit.
[…]
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:58:50 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote:
Do you suggest that the brides tripled? ;-)
Quadrupled:-)
"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote:
bmoore, <news:8aa0bec6-696d-4e5c...@googlegroups.com>
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:23:59 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 11:38:24 AM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2018/01/25/580577210/how-has-life-in-crimea-changed-since-russia-seized-it-from-ukraine
DAVID GREENE, HOST: So it's been nearly four years now since Russia seized
the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine by force. This was a move that led to >> sanctions against Russia, also soured relations between Russia and the West.
NPR's Moscow correspondent Lucian Kim was in Crimea when Russian troops >> arrived, and he returned there this week. We began our conversation with >> Lucian talking about the changes he's noticed since Russia took over.
LUCIAN KIM, BYLINE: What I found most surprising is that people were afraid
to talk on microphone even if they support the takeover, even if they
support Russian President Vladimir Putin. The main complaint I heard from >> almost everyone I talked to was that there's not enough work, that prices >> have doubled because the land connection to Ukraine has been cut. One driver
even told me that the bribes have doubled.
American propaganda bullshit.
[…]
Do you suggest that the brides tripled? ;-)
bmoore, <news:18dcb942-006a-4e82...@googlegroups.com>
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:50:01 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
"According to unconfirmed reports, the new authorities of the regions
will hold a vote on 11 September. Taking into consideration Russian
laws and the fact that many local residents hold Russian passports,
there seem to be no obstacles to holding the referendum.
Typical Russian fake news. The elections will not be fair. This is the Russians we are talking about. Remember Crimea?Bmoore is an incurable baby, for other readers the below - about Crimea.
May 2014, American Pew found "Crimean residents are almost universally positive toward Russia .. Overwhelming majorities say the March 16th referendum was free and fair (91%)" <https://is.gd/agkuT2>
Gallup poll (sponsored by the U.S. government, suddenly), in June 2014 <https://is.gd/xptTX9> (page 28) had found that the vast majority of the Crimeans agree that the referendum expressed their will fairly.
In February 2015, the major German pollster GfK had found similar results <https://is.gd/Yhm15G>: when Crimeans were asked "do you endorse Russia's annexation" 93% gave positive response while only 4% said they dislike it.
That's what drives the Westerners so mad: the glaringly obvious fact
that the overwhelming majority of the locals volutarily preferred to join Russia instead of "association with the EU" etc (because the Westerners
keep such a big wishful thinking that everyone must be dreaming of being somehow associated with "the west").
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152291-ukraine_russia_annex/
Pravda.ru is known so that its reporting is sometimes unbalanced, btw.
What they predict is not necessarily to come true.
bmoore, <news:11f15c7d-a72e-4e60...@googlegroups.com>
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:58:50 AM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote:
Do you suggest that the brides tripled? ;-)
Quadrupled:-)Kiss each other's arse, kids.
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