"I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she[…]
does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President
Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless, dangerous and irresponsible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
"I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she[…]
does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President
Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless,
dangerous and irresponsible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html >>In *LONG* term shift of US official (formal) position on Taiwan is
"likely" (quite possible). No earlier "medium *reversible* signals"
will make it look "not too good". So in short/medium term the question is: >> Will Pelosi's visit cross "point of no return"? IMHO it is unlikely.
Is Thomas Friedman really that ignorant such that he doesn't know what you write above?
I, for one, don't believe that. His criticism of Pelosi recklessness is 3 folded. All of them
rational.
1) "Nothing good will come of it. Taiwan will not be more secure or more prosperous as a
result of this purely symbolic visit, and a lot of bad things could happen. "
2) Timing is wrong.
"There are moments in international relations when you need to keep your eyes on the prize.
Today that prize is crystal clear: We must ensure that Ukraine is..."
3) Were U.S. allies consulted?
"And if you think our European allies — who are facing an existential war with Russia over
Ukraine — will join us if there is U.S. conflict with China over
Taiwan..."
NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". >> "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the UNGA vote for a reversal?
ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
"I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she[…]
does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President
Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless, >>> > dangerous and irresponsible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html >>>In *LONG* term shift of US official (formal) position on Taiwan is
"likely" (quite possible). No earlier "medium *reversible* signals"
will make it look "not too good". So in short/medium term the question is: >>> Will Pelosi's visit cross "point of no return"? IMHO it is unlikely.
Is Thomas Friedman really that ignorant such that he doesn't know what you write above?
I, for one, don't believe that. His criticism of Pelosi recklessness is 3 folded. All of them
rational.
1) "Nothing good will come of it. Taiwan will not be more secure or more prosperous as a
result of this purely symbolic visit, and a lot of bad things could happen. "
Symbols are usually not critical but they may be important.
2) Timing is wrong.
"There are moments in international relations when you need to keep your eyes on the prize.
Today that prize is crystal clear: We must ensure that Ukraine is..."
Do you expect anytime soon *significant* switch in PRC policies about
Ukraine and Russia? IMHO It is possible but not too likely.
In practice the visit may lower chances of PRC taking (slightly) less
Russia friendly stance.
3) Were U.S. allies consulted?
"And if you think our European allies — who are facing an existential war with Russia over
Ukraine — will join us if there is U.S. conflict with China over
Taiwan..."
It looks like _possible_ start of *very slow motion* shift from much
wider perspective
NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". >>> "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by >> both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the >> UNGA vote for a reversal?
From PRC position *official* recognition of Taiwan as an independent sovereign country would not be similar magnitude?
ltlee1 wrote:
"I have a lot of respect for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. But if she[…]
does go ahead with a visit to Taiwan this week, against President Biden’s wishes, she will be doing something that is utterly reckless, dangerous and irresponsible.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/opinion/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-china.html
In *LONG* term shift of US official (formal) position on Taiwan is
"likely" (quite possible). No earlier "medium *reversible* signals"
will make it look "not too good". So in short/medium term the question is: Will Pelosi's visit cross "point of no return"? IMHO it is unlikely.
NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
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On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China". >> "Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the UNGA vote for a reversal?
ltlee1 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
"Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the UNGA vote for a reversal?
Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
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On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
"Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Miracle?Not rule out.ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
UNGA vote for a reversal?
Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
The GA voted ROC out first.
PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members.
Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:Miracle?
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
"Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
UNGA vote for a reversal?
Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
The GA voted ROC out first.
PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members.
Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.
Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
quite different.
You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not
reflect the reality.
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:Miracle?
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
"Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
UNGA vote for a reversal?
Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
The GA voted ROC out first.
PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members. >>
Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.
Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
quite different.
You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do notIs he on the only side with aversion to inconvenient "details"? :-)
reflect the reality.
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On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:37:06 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:Is he on the only side with aversion to inconvenient "details"? :-)
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:Miracle?
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
"Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
UNGA vote for a reversal?
Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
The GA voted ROC out first.
PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members. >> >>
Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.
Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
quite different.
You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not
reflect the reality.
What details?
Like the obvious fact that the civil war between the PRC and the ROC is
not yet finished? And there is no cease fire or peace agreement among them?
Or the detail that the US government acknowledging/agreeing both sides
belong to ONE CHINA was really dumb?
Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
ltlee1 wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:37:06 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:37:39 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:Is he on the only side with aversion to inconvenient "details"? :-)
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:Miracle?
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:05:10 PM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ROC with veto power in UNSC voted itself out from UNSC?NEVER forget US fundamental switch of "One *ROC China" to "One PRC China".
"Not rule out" something similar magnitude every few decades.
Not rule out.
But then that of decision is not really a matter of US say so. In case you do not
already know, switching from One ROC China to One PRC China were approved by
both the UNSC and the UNGA. In your opinion, when will the UNSC and/or the
UNGA vote for a reversal?
Yet another hard to believe political miracle! :-)
The GA voted ROC out first.
PRC taking ROC's seat in the UNSC was accepted by the other UNSC members.
Anyway, the fact since then is that ROC is not considered an independent country.
22 small nations still recognized the ROC, today only 5.
Recognition is one thing. Opposition to an unprovoked PRC invasion,
quite different.
You are being quite overly simplistic, and your statements do not
reflect the reality.
What details?
Like the obvious fact that the civil war between the PRC and the ROC is not yet finished? And there is no cease fire or peace agreement among them?
Or the detail that the US government acknowledging/agreeing both sides belong to ONE CHINA was really dumb?
Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany, British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
*DOES COUNT*.
Anyway I agree in significant part with you about US hitting long term consequences of short/medium term driven decision to acknowledge
"One *PRC* China". Abrupt *official* U-turn would look "awkward".
Good enough excuses will happen sooner *or later*.
About Pelosi visit: IMHO It may be driven by internal US politics.
Attacks on Biden for risking Twain being second Ukraine are likely.
After the visit such attacks will promote "another democrat (D)".
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On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ltlee1 wrote:
Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC's >> > Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.Russian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany, >> British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
*DOES COUNT*.
Does count toward what?
[…]
ltlee1 wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ltlee1 wrote:
Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC'sRussian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany,
Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
*DOES COUNT*.
Does count toward what?
[…]
After 70 years of separation it "may be" time for *formal* divorce.
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On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ltlee1 wrote:
Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC'sRussian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany,
Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation"
*DOES COUNT*.
Does count toward what?
[…]
After 70 years of separation it "may be" time for *formal* divorce.
What formal divorce?
On America's say so?
Taiwan is China's Taiwan. People could certainly emigrate to elsewhere
if they don't want be part of One China.
Anyway, it is China's internal affair.
ltlee1 wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:45:44 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:13:09 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:[…]
ltlee1 wrote:
Please read some Chinese history. Koxinga's Taiwan, Qing's Taiwan, ROC'sRussian Ukraine, Russian, Pribaltika, Russian Poland, Russian East Germany,
Taiwan are all Chinese people's Taiwan.
British Colonies in North America. 70 years of de facto "separation" >> >> *DOES COUNT*.
Does count toward what?
[…]
After 70 years of separation it "may be" time for *formal* divorce.
What formal divorce?
On America's say so?
Taiwan is China's Taiwan. People could certainly emigrate to elsewhere
if they don't want be part of One China.
Anyway, it is China's internal affair.It is *your* opinion/position. I do not share it "fully".
Are you eager to stress/break test it?
Do you really expect majority pf the world to support
one PRC China ruled nu communist party up to integration
by military invasion?
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