https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas
the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on
tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western
countries.
[…]
“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent”
- Salvor Hardin
ltlee1 wrote:
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas
the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on
tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western countries.
[…]
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
-- George Orwell
Any idiot chief can *start* a war. Putin can end the war *he started*
even faster. Hard play is a two way street even when Yet Another Short Victorious War had been planed by Putin The Wisest. Mistakes are paid for.
Anyway: On longer run Russia is significantly more likely to prevail but
it may be costly+ "victory". It is unlikely++ to be clean, fast and cheap.
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/6438229.Salvor_Hardin
“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent”
- Salvor Hardin
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On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:55:01 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas
the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on
tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western
countries.
[…]
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
-- George Orwell
Any idiot chief can *start* a war. Putin can end the war *he started*
even faster. Hard play is a two way street even when Yet Another Short
Victorious War had been planed by Putin The Wisest. Mistakes are paid for. >>
Anyway: On longer run Russia is significantly more likely to prevail but
it may be costly+ "victory". It is unlikely++ to be clean, fast and cheap. >> […]
The US as well as some European nations certainly want to see a longer war which will eventually weaken Russia significantly. But how long is longer and
at what cost to ALL European nations.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/option, Brief Telegram channel said.
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western countries.
Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and therefore part of the Western elites, urged to conclude a new configuration of security in Europe with the participation of Russia. Former US President Donald Trump set out a desire to mediate the talks.
As for sitting US President Joe Biden, it appears that he has taken a break as Washington is analysing different scenarios.
Hard pressure may lead to unmanageable scenarios, which the White House would like to avoid. The main question is Putin. The US and the EU are not ready to negotiate personally with him. Therefore, they are waiting for Russia to offer an acceptable
At the same time, the United States would like to prevent escalation, including possible hostilities on the territory of Russia.
The military command of Britain and Ukraine insist on strikes on military infrastructure and, above all, on the Crimean Bridge.
To crown it all, Ukraine is considering options for obtaining nuclear weapons from the UK as a guarantee to its independence."
ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:55:01 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 wrote:
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas
the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on
tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western
countries.
[…]
"The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it."
-- George Orwell
Any idiot chief can *start* a war. Putin can end the war *he started*
even faster. Hard play is a two way street even when Yet Another Short
Victorious War had been planed by Putin The Wisest. Mistakes are paid for.
Anyway: On longer run Russia is significantly more likely to prevail but >> it may be costly+ "victory". It is unlikely++ to be clean, fast and cheap.
[…]
The US as well as some European nations certainly want to see a longer war which will eventually weaken Russia significantly. But how long is longer andIt will be costly but making Putin pay little for starting open
at what cost to ALL European nations.
Ukrainian war/invasion would be much more costly in long run.
"Chamberlain peace" (Munich 1938) [A] merely postpones outbreak of
problems growing even up to World War 2. Putin most likely will want
even more after yet another victory. ""Too limited/weak" reaction for annexation of Crimea. had make Putin even bolder.
"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
The appetite grows as you eat
-- Polish proverb
[A] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain#Path_to_war_(October_1938_%E2%80%93_August_1939)
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https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/option, Brief Telegram channel said.
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western countries.
Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and therefore part of the Western elites, urged to conclude a new configuration of security in Europe with the participation of Russia. Former US President Donald Trump set out a desire to mediate the talks.
As for sitting US President Joe Biden, it appears that he has taken a break as Washington is analysing different scenarios.
Hard pressure may lead to unmanageable scenarios, which the White House would like to avoid. The main question is Putin. The US and the EU are not ready to negotiate personally with him. Therefore, they are waiting for Russia to offer an acceptable
At the same time, the United States would like to prevent escalation, including possible hostilities on the territory of Russia.
The military command of Britain and Ukraine insist on strikes on military infrastructure and, above all, on the Crimean Bridge.
To crown it all, Ukraine is considering options for obtaining nuclear weapons from the UK as a guarantee to its independence."
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:10:09 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:option, Brief Telegram channel said.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western countries.
Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and therefore part of the Western elites, urged to conclude a new configuration of security in Europe with the participation of Russia. Former US President Donald Trump set out a desire to mediate the talks.
As for sitting US President Joe Biden, it appears that he has taken a break as Washington is analysing different scenarios.
Hard pressure may lead to unmanageable scenarios, which the White House would like to avoid. The main question is Putin. The US and the EU are not ready to negotiate personally with him. Therefore, they are waiting for Russia to offer an acceptable
At the same time, the United States would like to prevent escalation, including possible hostilities on the territory of Russia.
The military command of Britain and Ukraine insist on strikes on military infrastructure and, above all, on the Crimean Bridge.
To crown it all, Ukraine is considering options for obtaining nuclear weapons from the UK as a guarantee to its independence."Anyway, EU countries and NATO decision will inform the world its intention over Ukraine by its response to the latter's
"accelerated" NATO application.
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 4:10:09 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:option, Brief Telegram channel said.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/154181-lukashenko_war/
"On September 30, Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko said that there is a chance to "end the war in a few days," if the Europeans want it.
It appears that Moscow is ready to establish the status quo, whereas the West is not. Kyiv stands strongly against it and insists on tougher measures. The trap near Liman is a trump card for Western countries.
Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and therefore part of the Western elites, urged to conclude a new configuration of security in Europe with the participation of Russia. Former US President Donald Trump set out a desire to mediate the talks.
As for sitting US President Joe Biden, it appears that he has taken a break as Washington is analysing different scenarios.
Hard pressure may lead to unmanageable scenarios, which the White House would like to avoid. The main question is Putin. The US and the EU are not ready to negotiate personally with him. Therefore, they are waiting for Russia to offer an acceptable
At the same time, the United States would like to prevent escalation, including possible hostilities on the territory of Russia.
The military command of Britain and Ukraine insist on strikes on military infrastructure and, above all, on the Crimean Bridge.
To crown it all, Ukraine is considering options for obtaining nuclear weapons from the UK as a guarantee to its independence."Anyway, EU countries and NATO decision will inform the world its intention over Ukraine by its response to the latter's
"accelerated" NATO application.
The appetite grows as you eat
-- Polish proverb
A. Filip, <news:anfi+4npn0swj3f-ma16@wp.eu>
The appetite grows as you eat
-- Polish proverb
The proverb is not Polish, so Filip is lying as usual.
...
The basic idea "the more you have, the more you want" was seen already
in the writings of ancient Roman writers. In "Modern Age", in the 16th century,
at the time of early "Reformation" in Europe, when it became fashionable to ridicule the Catholic church, French writer Rabelais picked up the
passage about eating from a contemporary French scholastic theologian
and comically played it. Those Rabelais' novels then became popular
far beyond France and thus the saying was folklorized in many national cultures, including Poland.
"Oleg Smirnov" <os...@netc.eu> wrote:
A. Filip, <news:anfi+4npn0...@wp.eu>
The appetite grows as you eat
-- Polish proverb
The proverb is not Polish, so Filip is lying as usual.
...
The basic idea "the more you have, the more you want" was seen alreadyYou merely indicate earlier origins/sources.
in the writings of ancient Roman writers. In "Modern Age", in the 16th century,
at the time of early "Reformation" in Europe, when it became fashionable to ridicule the Catholic church, French writer Rabelais picked up the
passage about eating from a contemporary French scholastic theologian
and comically played it. Those Rabelais' novels then became popular
far beyond France and thus the saying was folklorized in many national cultures, including Poland.
Polish proverb does not have to mean Polish first origin.
A cultural *intelligent* person would use something like
"incomplete information" instead of lie, any competent lawyer too.
Anyway origin of the proverb is not the most important.
Important is if "a peace deal with Putin" is going to stay for decades
(with minimal changers) or it is going to be "fundamentally
renegotiated" after a few years. It DOES change the perspective,
especially E.U. perspective.
Do you really expect any stable deal during successful Ukraine offensive?
It may be possible but it is unlikely IMHO. Ukraine is "unwilling" to
accept loss of two people republics, Putin too. It may change *later*.
West may be willing to fight to the last Ukrainian but it means little without Ukrainians' willingness to fight.
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A. Filip, <news:anfi+4npn0...@wp.eu>
The appetite grows as you eatThe proverb is not Polish, so Filip is lying as usual.
-- Polish proverb
...
The basic idea "the more you have, the more you want" was seen already in the writings of ancient Roman writers. In "Modern Age", in the 16th century, at the time of early "Reformation" in Europe, when it became fashionable to ridicule the Catholic church, French writer Rabelais picked up the passage about eating from a contemporary French scholastic theologian and comically played it. Those Rabelais' novels then became popular far beyond France and thus the saying was folklorized in many national cultures, including Poland.
[…]
"Appetite comes with eating" certainly has a Polish translation.
Had anyone else claimed it a Polish saying and since when?
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