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    From Oleg Smirnov@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 18 23:12:05 2022
    <https://tinyurl.com/2g89cjnf> dw.com

    Scholz's China trip raised more doubts than congratulations ..
    Experts say that Chancellor Olaf Scholz's trip both contravened
    German government strategy and endangered EU unity ..

    "While I think Europe needs to find a way to constructively
    talk to China from a position of strength, what Berlin is doing
    undermines that position by pursuing its own interests at the
    expense of the emerging, yet fragile, European unity that we've
    seen since the Ukraine war," ..

    ...

    Deutsche Welle is declared a German "state-owned broadcaster",
    but regular observers can easily notice that the DW's narratives
    and assessments are often in some odds against policies of the
    German government. It reflects the fact that mainland Europe in
    a large part still remains under American/Atlanticist political
    control. The Americans mastered the post-WW2 European design
    carefully in order to secure their significant influence within
    the European institutions regardless of what parties the local
    voters might prefer to democratically elect into governance. In
    Germany (since it was the main defeated nation) it is the most
    visible, and so the "state-owned" DW broadcasts more Atlanticist
    interest rather than their national interest. But it's also to
    certain extent true for other European nations.

    The above I've cited the key passage of the Atlanticist message:
    ("to talk from a position of strength"), and their concern that
    the Scholz's trip doesn't fit to this agenda.

    I posted before <https://archive.is/tjbe8> ("garden vs. jungle"
    thread) that democracy in real life is not really as noble thing
    as the popular concepts developed around it sound. In practical
    implementation, the Western model of democracy always demands
    some group(s) of disenfranchised - sort of inferior jungle, yes
    - whom the noble "democratic community" can - "is entitled to" -
    legitimately subjugate while keeping them in disenfranchisement.
    The Atlanticist ideologues don't speak it out (and many of them
    perhaps even can not comprehend this feature in rational terms),
    but this "from a position of strength" typal claim (or defaultly
    implied premise) essentially means just that.

    The Atlanticism in its current mental state will never accept
    China as an independent world center of gravity (and, say, Japan
    and South Korea that adopted Western models, are not accepted
    within the "Western democratic" community truly "on equal", they
    are rather supposed "to follow the line", like pets).

    Against that, truly inclusive democracy, as on a national level
    as in the world affairs, requires a significant correction of
    the popular cliches developed within the Western way of thought.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ltlee1@21:1/5 to Oleg Smirnov on Sat Nov 19 05:35:26 2022
    On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:18:19 PM UTC, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
    <https://tinyurl.com/2g89cjnf> dw.com

    Scholz's China trip raised more doubts than congratulations ..
    Experts say that Chancellor Olaf Scholz's trip both contravened
    German government strategy and endangered EU unity ..

    "While I think Europe needs to find a way to constructively
    talk to China from a position of strength, what Berlin is doing
    undermines that position by pursuing its own interests at the
    expense of the emerging, yet fragile, European unity that we've
    seen since the Ukraine war," ..

    ...

    Deutsche Welle is declared a German "state-owned broadcaster",
    but regular observers can easily notice that the DW's narratives
    and assessments are often in some odds against policies of the
    German government. It reflects the fact that mainland Europe in
    a large part still remains under American/Atlanticist political
    control. The Americans mastered the post-WW2 European design
    carefully in order to secure their significant influence within
    the European institutions regardless of what parties the local
    voters might prefer to democratically elect into governance. In
    Germany (since it was the main defeated nation) it is the most
    visible, and so the "state-owned" DW broadcasts more Atlanticist
    interest rather than their national interest. But it's also to
    certain extent true for other European nations.

    The above I've cited the key passage of the Atlanticist message:
    ("to talk from a position of strength"), and their concern that
    the Scholz's trip doesn't fit to this agenda.

    I posted before <https://archive.is/tjbe8> ("garden vs. jungle"
    thread) that democracy in real life is not really as noble thing
    as the popular concepts developed around it sound. In practical implementation, the Western model of democracy always demands
    some group(s) of disenfranchised - sort of inferior jungle, yes
    - whom the noble "democratic community" can - "is entitled to" -
    legitimately subjugate while keeping them in disenfranchisement.
    The Atlanticist ideologues don't speak it out (and many of them
    perhaps even can not comprehend this feature in rational terms),
    but this "from a position of strength" typal claim (or defaultly
    implied premise) essentially means just that.

    The Atlanticism in its current mental state will never accept
    China as an independent world center of gravity (and, say, Japan
    and South Korea that adopted Western models, are not accepted
    within the "Western democratic" community truly "on equal", they
    are rather supposed "to follow the line", like pets).

    Against that, truly inclusive democracy, as on a national level
    as in the world affairs, requires a significant correction of
    the popular cliches developed within the Western way of thought.

    American political writer Kevin Philip had published a 2005 book entitled "American Theocracy:
    The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21st Century." He
    did not really explain why the US is theocracy according to what criteria. He, however, had
    mentioned that the US system was how a theocracy could exist in a 21st Century large nation
    like the US. British economist Umair Haque also wrote an article "This is How America Becomes
    a Theocracy" two years ago.

    Seeing the US as a kind of theocracy makes some sense. Among Western nations, the US is
    the most religious. All other things being equal, a theocracy is actually a better democracy since
    people are more likely to express consent toward their God and indirectly to god's chosen leader.

    But of course, this kind of "a priori, faith based, and holier-than-thou democracy" could not apply
    to world affairs. Hence, the world is always divided between democracy and autocracy. Regarding
    Russia and China, John McCain's famous observation: Russia is a 'gas station masquerading as
    a country' and China is not allowed to have high tech and resultant products that other nations
    need or want.

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