"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.html
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.html
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:40:24 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.htmlUS is advancing their proxy war in Ukraine on Russia by advancing more advanced weapons to destroy Russia. US mercenaries are hired to drive and handle them. No wonder, Putin said NATO must go.
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 12:40:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent
to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States
agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told
Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power
over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied
armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for
Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said
President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve
Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its
own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.html
Why German only allows German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine if the
United States agrees to send its own tank? My take, battle tanks are powerful weapons which could be used offensively. Germany by itself
cannot restrict Ukraine from using its tanks to escalate the
conflict. And Germany could suddenly become target of Russian
attack. After all, German tanks firing German shells are readily identifiable.
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:29:49 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 > wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 12:40:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:Do you expect DE or US to send enough+ tanks to be used *really*
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent
to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States
agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told
Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation
several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person
said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power
over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied
armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for
Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said
President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve
Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its
own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.html
Why German only allows German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine if the
United States agrees to send its own tank? My take, battle tanks are
powerful weapons which could be used offensively. Germany by itself
cannot restrict Ukraine from using its tanks to escalate the
conflict. And Germany could suddenly become target of Russian
attack. After all, German tanks firing German shells are readily
identifiable.
offensively *against Russia*? [really offensively => (deep) incursions
into *internationally* recognized territory of Russian Federation]
Good questions.
Can you not answer your own questions of when is *really* offensive
*really* offensive , and *against Russia* *against Russia*?
Making "panzer army" ready for blitzkrieg takes some (training) timeAre you saying Germany sees the save Ukrianian Democracy/fight Russia autocracy a lost game from the beginning? Otherwise, Germany is already second wise far behind the US in dollars used in Ukraine.
anyway. War is not a (fully) safe game to play even for Putin.
Only using nukes against Ukrainian forces in case of "deep shit"
(very black scenario of non cosmetic incursions into internationally
recognized territory of Russia) makes it still somehow reasonable risk
for Putin IMHO.
Germany seems to prefer to be second wise instead the first stupid.
They prefer to prevent Yankees playing "those stupid Germans"
Cover Your Ass games. I do not blame them (very) much.
Anyway: From PRC perspective it can be used to learn how to lead other
countries (subtly).
ltlee1 > wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 12:40:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent
to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States
agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told
Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power
over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied
armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for
Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said
President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve
Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its
own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.html
Why German only allows German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine if the United States agrees to send its own tank? My take, battle tanks are powerful weapons which could be used offensively. Germany by itselfDo you expect DE or US to send enough+ tanks to be used *really*
cannot restrict Ukraine from using its tanks to escalate the
conflict. And Germany could suddenly become target of Russian
attack. After all, German tanks firing German shells are readily identifiable.
offensively *against Russia*? [really offensively => (deep) incursions
into *internationally* recognized territory of Russian Federation]
Making "panzer army" ready for blitzkrieg takes some (training) timeAre you saying Germany sees the save Ukrianian Democracy/fight Russia
anyway. War is not a (fully) safe game to play even for Putin.
Only using nukes against Ukrainian forces in case of "deep shit"
(very black scenario of non cosmetic incursions into internationally recognized territory of Russia) makes it still somehow reasonable risk
for Putin IMHO.
Germany seems to prefer to be second wise instead the first stupid.
They prefer to prevent Yankees playing "those stupid Germans"
Cover Your Ass games. I do not blame them (very) much.
Anyway: From PRC perspective it can be used to learn how to lead other countries (subtly).
ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:29:49 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
ltlee1 > wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 12:40:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:Do you expect DE or US to send enough+ tanks to be used *really*
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent
to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States
agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told
Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation
several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person
said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power
over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied
armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for
Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said
President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve
Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its
own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.html
Why German only allows German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine if the
United States agrees to send its own tank? My take, battle tanks are
powerful weapons which could be used offensively. Germany by itself
cannot restrict Ukraine from using its tanks to escalate the
conflict. And Germany could suddenly become target of Russian
attack. After all, German tanks firing German shells are readily
identifiable.
offensively *against Russia*? [really offensively => (deep) incursions
into *internationally* recognized territory of Russian Federation]
Good questions.
Can you not answer your own questions of when is *really* offensive *really* offensive , and *against Russia* *against Russia*?
It is unlikely to create real offensive force in this particular case *anytime soon* - Russia will most likely have a lot of time for "countermeasures". "Lucky shots" happen rarely. It is one (full) year
war already, it is time to consider "long war" scenarios too,
IMHO "Peace named ceasefire" is not too likely anytime soon.
Russia declared incorporation of part of Ukraine. Ukraine paid too high
war costs to be eager to quit (now). It would make the current
government "look stupid" [High pain without gain].
Russia is far to big/important to "play against" *stupidly*, quite like PRC. West is very far away from playing a total war with Russia.Making "panzer army" ready for blitzkrieg takes some (training) timeAre you saying Germany sees the save Ukrianian Democracy/fight Russia autocracy a lost game from the beginning? Otherwise, Germany is already second wise far behind the US in dollars used in Ukraine.
anyway. War is not a (fully) safe game to play even for Putin.
Only using nukes against Ukrainian forces in case of "deep shit"
(very black scenario of non cosmetic incursions into internationally
recognized territory of Russia) makes it still somehow reasonable risk
for Putin IMHO.
Germany seems to prefer to be second wise instead the first stupid.
They prefer to prevent Yankees playing "those stupid Germans"
Cover Your Ass games. I do not blame them (very) much.
Anyway: From PRC perspective it can be used to learn how to lead other
countries (subtly).
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 6:52:06 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:40:24 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
NATO, at this juncture, is 貌合神离.https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.htmlUS is advancing their proxy war in Ukraine on Russia by advancing more advanced weapons to destroy Russia. US mercenaries are hired to drive and handle them. No wonder, Putin said NATO must go.
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 8:49:26 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 6:52:06 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:40:24 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
NATO looks like God?.NATO, at this juncture, is 貌合神离.https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.htmlUS is advancing their proxy war in Ukraine on Russia by advancing more advanced weapons to destroy Russia. US mercenaries are hired to drive and handle them. No wonder, Putin said NATO must go.
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:36:16 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 8:49:26 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 6:52:06 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:40:24 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
United in appearance, separated in spirit.NATO looks like God?.NATO, at this juncture, is 貌合神离.https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.htmlUS is advancing their proxy war in Ukraine on Russia by advancing more advanced weapons to destroy Russia. US mercenaries are hired to drive and handle them. No wonder, Putin said NATO must go.
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:36:16 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 8:49:26 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 6:52:06 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:40:24 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
"BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany will allow German-made tanks to be sent to Ukraine to help its defense against Russia if the United States agrees to send its own tanks, a German government source told Reuters.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has stressed the stipulation several times in recent days behind closed doors, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Western allies will meet at a U.S. air base in Germany on Friday to offer more weapons for Ukraine.
Attention is focused in particular on Germany, which has veto power over any decision to send its Leopard tanks, fielded by NATO-allied armies across Europe and widely seen as the most suitable for Ukraine.
...
U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said President Joe Biden's administration is next expected to approve Stryker armored vehicles for Ukraine but is not poised to send its own tanks, including the M1 Abrams."
United in appearance, separated in spirit.NATO looks like God?.NATO, at this juncture, is 貌合神离.https://www.yahoo.com/news/berlin-allow-exports-german-tanks-212939871.htmlUS is advancing their proxy war in Ukraine on Russia by advancing more advanced weapons to destroy Russia. US mercenaries are hired to drive and handle them. No wonder, Putin said NATO must go.
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