• Neanderthals as elephant hunters

    From RonO@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 12:47:37 2023
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/02/world/neanderthals-hunted-giant-elephants-scn/index.html

    The CNN article indicates that the researchers think the evidence
    suggests active elephant hunting. They also assume that larger groups
    of Neanderthals were required to process and consume the meat than we
    have evidence existed.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.add8186

    When you read the original article you find out that the 70 elephants
    were processed over a period of 2,400 years, and at their time of
    slaughter the area was a muddy bog that helped preserve the bone piles
    created by slaughter and processing. To me this looks like a place
    where some glacial lake turned into some muddy bog at some time of the
    year and it offered an opportunity for Neanderthals to occasionally find
    a trapped elephant and probably kill and process the animal. The
    geological analysis indicates that the site was where the lake
    transitioned over time progressing and regressing, and the muddy bog
    would have been during regression over a 2,400 year period. My take is
    that this was some type of pocket where fine sediments would accumulate
    when covered by the lake, and that when it regressed and the elephants
    had to follow the receding water they would get trapped there. 70 loads
    of meat over 2,400 years doesn't seem like some type if systematic
    hunting when you know that the the sites were muddy bogs that would
    preserve the bones. Sometimes more than one elephant were part of the
    bone piles, so my guess is that it was advantagous scavenging. They
    find a skewed age distribution where 96% of the animals were over 20
    years of age (adults) and 40% were over 40 years of age. With a high percentage of males in the mix. If they were like African elephants
    males would have been solitary. These were likely the largest and
    oldest elephants of the population, and it doesn't make sense that they
    would have been actively hunted. Stuck in the mud seems to make more
    sense. Would you rather hunt something twice the size of an African
    elephant or a juvenile?

    What I'd like to know is what time of the year they think that these
    elephants were slaughtered. If it was in cooler weather even a small
    group could have taken their time in processing the carcasses. The
    processors were very thorough, and pretty much took all the meat that
    there was, so it doesn't seem to me to be some windfall hunt.

    This was during the last interglacial when temperatures got to be warmer
    than they are now, and these elephants were temperate climate adapted
    that were taking over the territory of cold adapted mammoths during a
    warm period. P. antiquus is supposed to be most closely related to
    African forest elephants, and it looks like African genetics got out of
    Africa around 2.5 million years ago. They likely share a common
    ancestor with Asian elephants and mammoths around 6 million years ago.
    I don't know where they survived during the glacial periods, and they apparently didn't survive the last glacial period, while the smaller
    Asian elephant did.

    My take is that more work needs to be done before there are any claims
    of systematic elephant hunting by Neanderthals. It could be that the
    muddy bog just happened to preserve the bones of the hunted elephants,
    but getting stuck in the mud and having someone take advantage of that
    when you have 70 incidences that happened over 2,400 years when the area
    just happened to be in transition from being lake covered to muddy bog.
    The lake would have been at it's lowest level at the end of summer and
    into fall.

    Ron Okimoto

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