• Re: Is talk.origins still active?

    From Burkhard@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 17 23:54:15 2023
    On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:27:12 AM UTC, Félix An wrote:
    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    yes, for now - and that spam explosion is a very recent problem which hopefully will get sorted by the moderator soon.
    The bigger issue is that GG will stop supporting Usenet content,
    which may mean last orders for some of us.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to fffelix.jan.yt@gmail.com on Mon Dec 18 11:10:34 2023
    Flix An <fffelix.jan.yt@gmail.com> wrote:

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    What spam? I don't see any,
    (well almost)

    Jan
    (on Eternal September)

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Burkhard on Mon Dec 18 11:10:34 2023
    Burkhard <b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

    On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:27:12?AM UTC, Flix An wrote:
    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    yes, for now - and that spam explosion is a very recent problem which hopefully will get sorted by the moderator soon.
    The bigger issue is that GG will stop supporting Usenet content,
    which may mean last orders for some of us.

    Who cares? Most of them, good riddance.
    In the olden days DIG had blocked Google entirely, without obvious loss.
    (the fnordic people excepted)

    Jan

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to jillery on Mon Dec 18 13:16:44 2023
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:54:15 -0800 (PST), Burkhard
    <b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

    On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:27:12?AM UTC, Félix An wrote:
    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    yes, for now - and that spam explosion is a very recent problem which hopefully
    will get sorted by the moderator soon.
    The bigger issue is that GG will stop supporting Usenet content,
    which may mean last orders for some of us.


    I for one would be disappointed if that happened. I acknowledge the convenience of using a web-based server, and I acknowledge the
    challenge in finding a workable non-Windows Usenet app. Technically,
    any OS capable of handling email should also handle Usenet, at least
    the text froups. Apparently app authors just aren't interested in
    Usenet.

    There’s NewsTap on Apple devices. Dunno what’s on Android. Linux had Pan, which apparently works on Windows too.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(newsreader)

    https://pan.rebelbase.com/

    And there’s T-bird. Probably more Windows stuff.

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  • From Mark Isaak@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Mon Dec 18 07:34:41 2023
    On 12/18/23 2:10 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Félix An <fffelix.jan.yt@gmail.com> wrote:

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    What spam? I don't see any,
    (well almost)

    Jan
    (on Eternal September)

    I also us Eternal September, and this thread, on my browser, is
    immediately preceded by 17 posts with subjects like, "Como Hackear
    Facebook Gratis ...". Those 17 posts arrived over 46 minutes; there are
    three different "From" fields, but subjects are similar enough to
    indicate a common source. The content of the one I opened was in
    Spanish, and near the beginning was the phrase, "clic aqui."

    A similar event, probably from the same source, occurred a day or two
    earlier.

    I have not bothered to explore further.

    --
    Mark Isaak
    "Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
    doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Mark Isaak on Mon Dec 18 16:39:54 2023
    Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> wrote:
    On 12/18/23 2:10 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Félix An <fffelix.jan.yt@gmail.com> wrote:

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    What spam? I don't see any,
    (well almost)

    Jan
    (on Eternal September)

    I also us Eternal September, and this thread, on my browser, is
    immediately preceded by 17 posts with subjects like, "Como Hackear
    Facebook Gratis ...". Those 17 posts arrived over 46 minutes; there are three different "From" fields, but subjects are similar enough to
    indicate a common source. The content of the one I opened was in
    Spanish, and near the beginning was the phrase, "clic aqui."

    A similar event, probably from the same source, occurred a day or two earlier.

    I have not bothered to explore further.

    Similar spurts are happening to Apple groups and the paleontology group. Hopefully it ends when GG goes defunct (finally!). Good riddance!

    Maybe it’s a final dying gasp from the spammers.

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  • From DB Cates@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Mon Dec 18 11:37:19 2023
    On 2023-12-18 11:19 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Dec 18, 2023, Félix An wrote
    (in article <ulooj0$3cq3a$1@dont-email.me>):

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    [wakes up, rolls over grumpily]

    There’s very little spam, especially if compared to, say, rec.arts.sf.written. Most of the spam is eaten by the bot (bow down before it and sing ”Oh, Canada”) and most of the spam which avoids the bot is easily detected and killed.

    You appear to be using Eternal September. The guy who runs ES gleefully slaughters spam. Let him know that he missed some, and, lo! it shall be gone.

    Popping over to my unfiltered ES feed, I see that on the 16Th between
    8:52 and 9:14 there were 15 posts from Charla privada and Renard Origins
    (the spammers) and nothing since.
    --
    --
    Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 18 12:19:34 2023
    On Dec 18, 2023, Félix An wrote
    (in article <ulooj0$3cq3a$1@dont-email.me>):

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    [wakes up, rolls over grumpily]

    There’s very little spam, especially if compared to, say, rec.arts.sf.written. Most of the spam is eaten by the bot (bow down before it and sing ”Oh, Canada”) and most of the spam which avoids the bot is
    easily detected and killed.

    You appear to be using Eternal September. The guy who runs ES gleefully slaughters spam. Let him know that he missed some, and, lo! it shall be gone.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to DB Cates on Mon Dec 18 17:58:03 2023
    DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-18 11:19 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Dec 18, 2023, Félix An wrote
    (in article <ulooj0$3cq3a$1@dont-email.me>):

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    [wakes up, rolls over grumpily]

    There’s very little spam, especially if compared to, say,
    rec.arts.sf.written. Most of the spam is eaten by the bot (bow down before it
    and sing ”Oh, Canada”) and most of the spam which avoids the bot is
    easily detected and killed.

    You appear to be using Eternal September. The guy who runs ES gleefully
    slaughters spam. Let him know that he missed some, and, lo! it shall be gone.

    Popping over to my unfiltered ES feed, I see that on the 16Th between
    8:52 and 9:14 there were 15 posts from Charla privada and Renard Origins
    (the spammers) and nothing since.

    Are they using GG?

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  • From Athel Cornish-Bowden@21:1/5 to DB Cates on Mon Dec 18 20:41:06 2023
    On 2023-12-18 17:37:19 +0000, DB Cates said:

    On 2023-12-18 11:19 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Dec 18, 2023, Félix An wrote
    (in article <ulooj0$3cq3a$1@dont-email.me>):

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    [wakes up, rolls over grumpily]

    There’s very little spam, especially if compared to, say,
    rec.arts.sf.written. Most of the spam is eaten by the bot (bow down before it
    and sing ”Oh, Canada”) and most of the spam which avoids the bot is
    easily detected and killed.

    You appear to be using Eternal September. The guy who runs ES gleefully
    slaughters spam. Let him know that he missed some, and, lo! it shall be gone.

    Popping over to my unfiltered ES feed, I see that on the 16Th between
    8:52 and 9:14 there were 15 posts from Charla privada and Renard
    Origins (the spammers) and nothing since.

    None of those reached me (I'm not complaining!). I'm running Unison
    with News.Individual.net ("the German server").

    --
    athel cb : Biochemical Evolution, Garland Science, 2016

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Mon Dec 18 20:49:55 2023
    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:54:15 -0800 (PST), Burkhard
    <b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

    On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:27:12?AM UTC, Flix An wrote:
    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active? >>
    yes, for now - and that spam explosion is a very recent problem which
    hopefully will get sorted by the moderator soon.
    The bigger issue is that GG will stop supporting Usenet content,
    which may mean last orders for some of us.


    I for one would be disappointed if that happened. I acknowledge the convenience of using a web-based server, and I acknowledge the
    challenge in finding a workable non-Windows Usenet app. Technically,
    any OS capable of handling email should also handle Usenet, at least
    the text froups. Apparently app authors just aren't interested in
    Usenet.

    There's NewsTap on Apple devices. Dunno what's on Android. Linux had Pan, which apparently works on Windows too.

    On Mac, what is available depends how old your system is.
    The best solution is to run an old headless MacMini, by ScreenSharing,
    on an older version of OSX. (for other useful things too)

    If you want to be completely up to date there is good old Hogwasher
    and the completely new Usenapp. (both also good for binary)

    Jan
    (no experience, still on MacSoup)

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Mark Isaak on Mon Dec 18 21:16:52 2023
    Mark Isaak <specimenNOSPAM@curioustaxon.omy.net> wrote:

    On 12/18/23 2:10 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Flix An <fffelix.jan.yt@gmail.com> wrote:

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    What spam? I don't see any,
    (well almost)

    Jan
    (on Eternal September)

    I also us Eternal September, and this thread, on my browser, is
    immediately preceded by 17 posts with subjects like, "Como Hackear
    Facebook Gratis ...". Those 17 posts arrived over 46 minutes; there are three different "From" fields, but subjects are similar enough to
    indicate a common source. The content of the one I opened was in
    Spanish, and near the beginning was the phrase, "clic aqui."

    Yes, and that's about all of it in a long time.
    Not even worth writing a kill-file entry for.

    FYI, there are unmoderated usenet groups
    that receive about 100 000 spam messages -per day-.

    A similar event, probably from the same source, occurred a day or two earlier.

    I have not bothered to explore further.

    Just ignore it, it is nothing yet,

    Jan

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 18 14:47:13 2023
    On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 11:37:19 -0600, the following appeared
    in talk.origins, posted by DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>:

    On 2023-12-18 11:19 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Dec 18, 2023, Flix An wrote
    (in article <ulooj0$3cq3a$1@dont-email.me>):

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    [wakes up, rolls over grumpily]

    Theres very little spam, especially if compared to, say,
    rec.arts.sf.written. Most of the spam is eaten by the bot (bow down before it
    and sing Oh, Canada) and most of the spam which avoids the bot is
    easily detected and killed.

    You appear to be using Eternal September. The guy who runs ES gleefully
    slaughters spam. Let him know that he missed some, and, lo! it shall be gone.

    Popping over to my unfiltered ES feed, I see that on the 16Th between
    8:52 and 9:14 there were 15 posts from Charla privada and Renard Origins
    (the spammers) and nothing since.

    There were a couple of others; all now reside in my Special
    Childrens' file.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From DB Cates@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 18 21:27:36 2023
    On 2023-12-18 11:58 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 2023-12-18 11:19 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Dec 18, 2023, Félix An wrote
    (in article <ulooj0$3cq3a$1@dont-email.me>):

    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted
    with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active? >>>
    [wakes up, rolls over grumpily]

    There’s very little spam, especially if compared to, say,
    rec.arts.sf.written. Most of the spam is eaten by the bot (bow down before it
    and sing ”Oh, Canada”) and most of the spam which avoids the bot is
    easily detected and killed.

    You appear to be using Eternal September. The guy who runs ES gleefully
    slaughters spam. Let him know that he missed some, and, lo! it shall be gone.

    Popping over to my unfiltered ES feed, I see that on the 16Th between
    8:52 and 9:14 there were 15 posts from Charla privada and Renard Origins
    (the spammers) and nothing since.

    Are they using GG?

    It appears the operator of ES has deleted them all and responses. I got
    a "post has expired" when I tried to look at them.
    --
    --
    Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to jillery on Tue Dec 19 12:58:36 2023
    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 13:16:44 +0000, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:54:15 -0800 (PST), Burkhard
    <b.schafer@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

    On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:27:12?AM UTC, Félix An wrote:
    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted >>>>> with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active? >>>>
    yes, for now - and that spam explosion is a very recent problem which hopefully
    will get sorted by the moderator soon.
    The bigger issue is that GG will stop supporting Usenet content,
    which may mean last orders for some of us.


    I for one would be disappointed if that happened. I acknowledge the
    convenience of using a web-based server, and I acknowledge the
    challenge in finding a workable non-Windows Usenet app. Technically,
    any OS capable of handling email should also handle Usenet, at least
    the text froups. Apparently app authors just aren't interested in
    Usenet.

    There’s NewsTap on Apple devices. Dunno what’s on Android. Linux had Pan,
    which apparently works on Windows too.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(newsreader)

    https://pan.rebelbase.com/

    And there’s T-bird. Probably more Windows stuff.


    The different flavors of Android are probably the most common OS's
    these days.

    Good point.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?w5bDtiBUaWli?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 19 05:23:12 2023
    On Tuesday 19 December 2023 at 15:02:13 UTC+2, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 13:16:44 +0000, *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

    jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 23:54:15 -0800 (PST), Burkhard
    <b.sc...@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

    On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:27:12?AM UTC, Félix An wrote:
    I heard about this famous newsgroup from Wikipedia, and I was greeted >>>>> with spam when I opened this up for the first time. Is it still active?

    yes, for now - and that spam explosion is a very recent problem which hopefully
    will get sorted by the moderator soon.
    The bigger issue is that GG will stop supporting Usenet content,
    which may mean last orders for some of us.


    I for one would be disappointed if that happened. I acknowledge the
    convenience of using a web-based server, and I acknowledge the
    challenge in finding a workable non-Windows Usenet app. Technically,
    any OS capable of handling email should also handle Usenet, at least
    the text froups. Apparently app authors just aren't interested in
    Usenet.

    There’s NewsTap on Apple devices. Dunno what’s on Android. Linux had Pan,
    which apparently works on Windows too.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(newsreader)

    https://pan.rebelbase.com/

    And there’s T-bird. Probably more Windows stuff.


    The different flavors of Android are probably the most common OS's
    these days.

    Good point.

    I have too lot of different devices from what I eyeball the news on idle moment. GG was overkill for that task, and got worse and worse over
    the years but at least it worked in browser. Installing software for just to see plain text in internet does not make much sense.
    So sad that they bought Deja News to close it 23 years later. <https://www.wired.com/2001/02/google-buys-deja-archive/>

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