• Bigoted Left Wing Atheist Town Official Quits Over 'Christmas' Tree Lig

    From The Height Of Hypocrisy@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 28 15:56:15 2024
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    XPost: or.politics

    Don't let the door hit you in your ignorant ass on the way out,
    Charlene Storey.

    Here's the fat bitch.

    http://www.wrpkradio.org/charlene-storey/

    A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas"
    to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council
    member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious
    event to a religious one."

    Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the
    Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com
    ( http://bit.ly/1ILdHHf ) reported. Her resignation takes effect
    Jan. 7.

    Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non-
    believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name
    from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one
    religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."

    Storey said she regretted having to resign but called the issue
    a matter of principle.

    "I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council
    that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such,"
    Storey said in her resignation letter.

    Roselle Park Mayor Carl Hokanson praised Storey for her work on
    the council. He said everyone is entitled to their own beliefs,
    but also noted that each town can use whatever title it wants to
    use for the ceremony.

    "It's not a street, it's not a building, it's a Christmas tree,"
    Hokanson said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/town-official-quits- christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-35597674
     

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to The Height Of Hypocrisy on Sat Dec 28 18:43:44 2024
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    XPost: nj.politics, or.politics

    "The Height Of Hypocrisy" <atheist@cunts.com> wrote in news:7629d8ce267f0fdf4c6db49c9807a308@dizum.com:

    Don't let the door hit you in your ignorant ass on the way out,
    Charlene Storey.

    Here's the fat bitch.

    http://www.wrpkradio.org/charlene-storey/

    A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas"
    to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council
    member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious
    event to a religious one."

    Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the
    Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com
    ( http://bit.ly/1ILdHHf ) reported. Her resignation takes effect
    Jan. 7.

    Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non-
    believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name
    from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one
    religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."

    Storey said she regretted having to resign but called the issue
    a matter of principle.

    "I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council
    that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such,"
    Storey said in her resignation letter.

    Roselle Park Mayor Carl Hokanson praised Storey for her work on
    the council. He said everyone is entitled to their own beliefs,
    but also noted that each town can use whatever title it wants to
    use for the ceremony.

    "It's not a street, it's not a building, it's a Christmas tree,"
    Hokanson said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/town-official-quits- christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-35597674
     
    ===========
    Solstice celebrations
    Evergreens have long symbolized life and the return of the sun. In
    ancient times, people celebrated the solstice by decorating with
    evergreens to symbolize the sun god's recovery and the return of summer. ========

    It wasn't until the 16th Century that Christians first stole the tree
    symbol.

    And it wasn't until the 1850's that the tree became popular in the US.

    The Puritans forbade any celebration of Christmas.

    The Russion Orthodox church celebrates Christmas in January.

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  • From None@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat Dec 28 17:04:47 2024
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    XPost: or.politics

    On Dec 28, 2024, Baxter wrote
    (Message-ID: <vkpgt0$fbbt$2@dont-email.me>):

    "The Height Of Hypocrisy"<atheist@cunts.com> wrote in news:7629d8ce267f0fdf4c6db49c9807a308@dizum.com:

    Don't let the door hit you in your ignorant ass on the way out,
    Charlene Storey.

    Here's the fat bitch.

    http://www.wrpkradio.org/charlene-storey/

    A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas"
    to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council
    member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious
    event to a religious one."

    Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the
    Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com
    ( http://bit.ly/1ILdHHf ) reported. Her resignation takes effect
    Jan. 7.

    Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non-
    believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name
    from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one
    religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."

    Storey said she regretted having to resign but called the issue
    a matter of principle.

    "I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council
    that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such,"
    Storey said in her resignation letter.

    Roselle Park Mayor Carl Hokanson praised Storey for her work on
    the council. He said everyone is entitled to their own beliefs,
    but also noted that each town can use whatever title it wants to
    use for the ceremony.

    "It's not a street, it's not a building, it's a Christmas tree,"
    Hokanson said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/town-official-quits- christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-35597674
    ===========
    Solstice celebrations
    Evergreens have long symbolized life and the return of the sun. In
    ancient times, people celebrated the solstice by decorating with
    evergreens to symbolize the sun god's recovery and the return of summer. ========

    The above is ludicrous. Evergreen trees are called that because they are Ever Green.

    The Sun never disappears, it is what brings daylight every day of the years.

    The Sun never died, nor was ever sick.

    1775 American ships in New England waters flew a "Liberty Tree" flag in 1775. It
    shows a green pine tree on a white background, with the words, "An Appeal
    to Heaven."
    1775 New England flag. White background with white, red, and blue stripes.



    It wasn't until the 16th Century that Christians first stole the tree
    symbol.

    False statement.


    And it wasn't until the 1850's that the tree became popular in the US.

    False Statement. Unless you are speaking of them ornamenting a tree.


    The Puritans forbade any celebration of Christmas.

    So do the Jehovahs Witnesses. Jews. Muslims. Etc.


    The Russion Orthodox church celebrates Christmas in January.

    With what?

    What about bigoted left wing atheists?

    Everybody to their own tastes, said the Farmer as he kissed the cow.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to None on Sun Dec 29 05:25:24 2024
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    XPost: or.politics

    None <none@none.non> wrote in news:vkq77f$jtml$1@dont-email.me:

    On Dec 28, 2024, Baxter wrote
    (Message-ID: <vkpgt0$fbbt$2@dont-email.me>):

    "The Height Of Hypocrisy"<atheist@cunts.com> wrote in
    news:7629d8ce267f0fdf4c6db49c9807a308@dizum.com:

    Don't let the door hit you in your ignorant ass on the way out,
    Charlene Storey.

    Here's the fat bitch.

    http://www.wrpkradio.org/charlene-storey/

    A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas"
    to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council
    member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious
    event to a religious one."

    Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the
    Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com
    ( http://bit.ly/1ILdHHf ) reported. Her resignation takes effect
    Jan. 7.

    Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non-
    believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name
    from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one
    religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."

    Storey said she regretted having to resign but called the issue
    a matter of principle.

    "I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council
    that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such,"
    Storey said in her resignation letter.

    Roselle Park Mayor Carl Hokanson praised Storey for her work on
    the council. He said everyone is entitled to their own beliefs,
    but also noted that each town can use whatever title it wants to
    use for the ceremony.

    "It's not a street, it's not a building, it's a Christmas tree,"
    Hokanson said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/town-official-quits-
    christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-35597674
    ===========
    Solstice celebrations
    Evergreens have long symbolized life and the return of the sun. In
    ancient times, people celebrated the solstice by decorating with
    evergreens to symbolize the sun god's recovery and the return of
    summer. ========

    The above is ludicrous. Evergreen trees are called that because they
    are Ever Green.

    The Sun never disappears, it is what brings daylight every day of the
    years.

    It does at some latitudes. And ancient people did notice that days got shorter/nights longer.


    The Sun never died, nor was ever sick.

    1775 American ships in New England waters flew a "Liberty Tree" flag
    in 1775. It
    shows a green pine tree on a white background, with the words, "An
    Appeal to Heaven."
    1775 New England flag. White background with white, red, and blue
    stripes.

    Irrelevant - has nothing to do with a tree as a soltice symbol




    It wasn't until the 16th Century that Christians first stole the tree
    symbol.

    False statement.

    are you ignorant or a liar?

    ===========
    The Christmas tree was first recorded to be used by German Lutherans in the 16th
    century, with records indicating that a Christmas tree was placed in the Cathedral of
    Strasbourg in 1539 under the leadership of the Protestant Reformer Martin Bucer.
    ============




    And it wasn't until the 1850's that the tree became popular in the
    US.

    False Statement. Unless you are speaking of them ornamenting a tree.

    Again = ignorant or liar?
    ===========
    The Christmas tree came to America in 1850

    https://www.leomalovegrove.com/the-christmas-tree-came-to-america-in-1850/ ===========
    Yes, the Christmas tree became popular in the United States in the 1850s:

    The engraving
    In 1850, Godey's Lady's Book published an engraving of Queen Victoria and her
    Christmas tree, which was one of the first widely circulated images of a decorated
    Christmas tree in the United States. The engraving was "Americanized" by Sarah Josepha Hale, the editor of Godey's Lady's Book, who removed some details to make it
    appear more American.

    The first retail Christmas tree lot
    In 1851, Mark Carr opened the first retail Christmas tree lot in the United States by
    bringing trees from the Catskills to New York City.
    The first Christmas tree in the White House
    In 1856, President Franklin Pierce introduced the Christmas tree to the White House
    for a group of Washington Sunday School children.
    The Brooklyn Bazaar
    In 1855, the Brooklyn Bazaar sold "handsome" trees to Brooklynites. =================



    The Puritans forbade any celebration of Christmas.

    So do the Jehovahs Witnesses. Jews. Muslims. Etc.


    The Russion Orthodox church celebrates Christmas in January.

    Doesn't matter - it shows that different people have different ideas about Christmas
    and everything else.

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  • From None@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun Dec 29 17:01:29 2024
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    XPost: or.politics

    On Dec 28, 2024, Baxter wrote
    (Message-ID: <vkqmg3$q0pf$1@dont-email.me>):

    None <none@none.non> wrote in news:vkq77f$jtml$1@dont-email.me:

    On Dec 28, 2024, Baxter wrote
    (Message-ID: <vkpgt0$fbbt$2@dont-email.me>):

    "The Height Of Hypocrisy"<atheist@cunts.com> wrote in news:7629d8ce267f0fdf4c6db49c9807a308@dizum.com:

    Don't let the door hit you in your ignorant ass on the way out, Charlene Storey.

    Here's the fat bitch.

    http://www.wrpkradio.org/charlene-storey/

    A New Jersey city council's decision to add the word "Christmas"
    to the name of its tree-lighting ceremony prompted one council
    member to step down because it "turned it from a non-religious
    event to a religious one."

    Charlene Storey announced her decision just minutes after the
    Roselle Park council approved the change Thursday night, NJ.com
    ( http://bit.ly/1ILdHHf ) reported. Her resignation takes effect
    Jan. 7.

    Storey, who was raised Catholic but describes herself as a non- believer, said the town's decision to change the ceremony's name
    from "A Tree Lighting" to "A Christmas Tree Lighting" favors one religion and "cuts non-Christians out of the loop."

    Storey said she regretted having to resign but called the issue
    a matter of principle.

    "I cannot in good conscience continue to be part of a council
    that is exclusionary or to work with a mayor who is such,"
    Storey said in her resignation letter.

    Roselle Park Mayor Carl Hokanson praised Storey for her work on
    the council. He said everyone is entitled to their own beliefs,
    but also noted that each town can use whatever title it wants to
    use for the ceremony.

    "It's not a street, it's not a building, it's a Christmas tree," Hokanson said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/town-official-quits- christmas-tree-lighting-ceremony-35597674
    ===========
    Solstice celebrations
    Evergreens have long symbolized life and the return of the sun. In ancient times, people celebrated the solstice by decorating with evergreens to symbolize the sun god's recovery and the return of
    summer. ========

    The above is ludicrous. Evergreen trees are called that because they
    are Ever Green.

    The Sun never disappears, it is what brings daylight every day of the years.

    It does at some latitudes. And ancient people did notice that days got shorter/nights longer.

    The sun still gives us light during the night time via the moon. Except when the earth blocks the sunlight,

    People have always noticed the variances of day lengths.



    The Sun never died, nor was ever sick.

    1775 American ships in New England waters flew a "Liberty Tree" flag
    in 1775. It
    shows a green pine tree on a white background, with the words, "An
    Appeal to Heaven."
    1775 New England flag. White background with white, red, and blue
    stripes.

    Irrelevant - has nothing to do with a tree as a soltice symbol

    All flags have symbols on them, and the tree spoken of above in various flags mentioned above reflect that.





    It wasn't until the 16th Century that Christians first stole the tree symbol.

    False statement.

    are you ignorant or a liar?

    Neither.

    the Bible mentions trees as a symbol well before there were any christians. Were you ignorant of that?



    ===========
    The Christmas tree was first recorded to be used by German Lutherans in the 16th
    century, with records indicating that a Christmas tree was placed in the Cathedral of
    Strasbourg in 1539 under the leadership of the Protestant Reformer Martin Bucer.
    ============



    And it wasn't until the 1850's that the tree became popular in the
    US.

    False Statement. Unless you are speaking of them ornamenting a tree.

    Again = ignorant or liar?
    ===========
    The Christmas tree came to America in 1850

    https://www.leomalovegrove.com/the-christmas-tree-came-to-america-in-1850/ ===========
    Yes, the Christmas tree became popular in the United States in the 1850s:

    You stated that the evergreen tree was the symbol, not the Christmas tree.
    That the Christmas tree was co-opted from the evergreen tree. So make up your mind. Were there Christmas trees before the 16th century? Or were you
    confused and cannot differentiate between an evergreen tree and a Christmas tree?


    The engraving
    In 1850, Godey's Lady's Book published an engraving of Queen Victoria and her Christmas tree, which was one of the first widely circulated images of a decorated
    Christmas tree in the United States. The engraving was "Americanized" by Sarah
    Josepha Hale, the editor of Godey's Lady's Book, who removed some details to make it appear more American.

    So what does this have to do with the evergreen tree?

    The first retail Christmas tree lot
    In 1851, Mark Carr opened the first retail Christmas tree lot in the United States by
    bringing trees from the Catskills to New York City.
    The first Christmas tree in the White House
    In 1856, President Franklin Pierce introduced the Christmas tree to the White House
    for a group of Washington Sunday School children.
    The Brooklyn Bazaar
    In 1855, the Brooklyn Bazaar sold "handsome" trees to Brooklynites. =================

    So people made money off from evergreen trees, jealous?




    The Puritans forbade any celebration of Christmas.

    So do the Jehovahs Witnesses. Jews. Muslims. Etc.


    The Russion Orthodox church celebrates Christmas in January.

    Doesn't matter - it shows that different people have different ideas about Christmas and everything else.

    I didn’t make that statement, you did.

    So why the post all over the Net regarding evergreen trees?

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to None on Mon Dec 30 03:04:20 2024
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    XPost: or.politics

    None <none@none.non> wrote in news:vksrd9$18thp$1@dont-email.me:

    On Dec 28, 2024, Baxter wrote
    (Message-ID: <vkqmg3$q0pf$1@dont-email.me>):


    It does at some latitudes. And ancient people did notice that days
    got shorter/nights longer.

    The sun still gives us light during the night time via the moon.
    Except when the earth blocks the sunlight,

    People have always noticed the variances of day lengths.

    So?




    The Sun never died, nor was ever sick.

    1775 American ships in New England waters flew a "Liberty Tree"
    flag in 1775. It
    shows a green pine tree on a white background, with the words, "An
    Appeal to Heaven."
    1775 New England flag. White background with white, red, and blue
    stripes.

    Irrelevant - has nothing to do with a tree as a soltice symbol

    All flags have symbols on them, and the tree spoken of above in
    various flags mentioned above reflect that.

    But those flag symbols have nothing to do with Christmas or the Solstice.





    It wasn't until the 16th Century that Christians first stole the
    tree symbol.

    False statement.

    are you ignorant or a liar?

    Neither.

    the Bible mentions trees as a symbol well before there were any
    christians. Were you ignorant of that?

    If that were true and relavant you would quote chapter and verse - but
    you didn't -- so you're a liar.




    ===========
    The Christmas tree was first recorded to be used by German Lutherans
    in the 16th
    century, with records indicating that a Christmas tree was placed in
    the Cathedral of
    Strasbourg in 1539 under the leadership of the Protestant Reformer
    Martin Bucer.
    ============



    And it wasn't until the 1850's that the tree became popular in
    the US.

    False Statement. Unless you are speaking of them ornamenting a
    tree.

    Again = ignorant or liar?
    ===========
    The Christmas tree came to America in 1850

    https://www.leomalovegrove.com/the-christmas-tree-came-to-america-in-1
    850/ ===========
    Yes, the Christmas tree became popular in the United States in the
    1850s:

    You stated that the evergreen tree was the symbol, not the Christmas
    tree. That the Christmas tree was co-opted from the evergreen tree. So
    make up your mind. Were there Christmas trees before the 16th century?
    Or were you confused and cannot differentiate between an evergreen
    tree and a Christmas tree?

    Ah, gish gallop nonsense - we need go no further with your trash.

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  • From Bud Light Sucks Dicks@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon Dec 30 06:54:54 2024
    XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, sac.politics, nj.politics
    XPost: or.politics

    In <vkt2jj$1aibk$1@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:
    In


    It does at some latitudes. And ancient people did notice that days
    got shorter/nights longer.

    The sun still gives us light during the night time via the moon.
    Except when the earth blocks the sunlight,

    People have always noticed the variances of day lengths.

    So?

    Productive working people.

    The Sun never died, nor was ever sick.

    1775 American ships in New England waters flew a "Liberty Tree"
    flag in 1775. It
    shows a green pine tree on a white background, with the words, "An
    Appeal to Heaven."
    1775 New England flag. White background with white, red, and blue
    stripes.

    Irrelevant - has nothing to do with a tree as a soltice symbol

    All flags have symbols on them, and the tree spoken of above in
    various flags mentioned above reflect that.

    But those flag symbols have nothing to do with Christmas or the Solstice.

    They mean different things to different people.

    It wasn't until the 16th Century that Christians first stole the
    tree symbol.

    False statement.

    are you ignorant or a liar?

    Neither.

    the Bible mentions trees as a symbol well before there were any
    christians. Were you ignorant of that?

    If that were true and relavant you would quote chapter and verse - but
    you didn't -- so you're a liar.

    Matthew 7:17-23
    "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit".

    ===========
    The Christmas tree was first recorded to be used by German Lutherans
    in the 16th
    century, with records indicating that a Christmas tree was placed in
    the Cathedral of
    Strasbourg in 1539 under the leadership of the Protestant Reformer
    Martin Bucer.
    ============



    And it wasn't until the 1850's that the tree became popular in
    the US.

    False Statement. Unless you are speaking of them ornamenting a
    tree.

    Again = ignorant or liar?
    ===========
    The Christmas tree came to America in 1850

    https://www.leomalovegrove.com/the-christmas-tree-came-to-america-in-1
    850/ ===========
    Yes, the Christmas tree became popular in the United States in the
    1850s:

    You stated that the evergreen tree was the symbol, not the Christmas
    tree. That the Christmas tree was co-opted from the evergreen tree. So
    make up your mind. Were there Christmas trees before the 16th century?
    Or were you confused and cannot differentiate between an evergreen
    tree and a Christmas tree?

    Ah, gish gallop nonsense - we need go no further with your trash.

    Inability to discuss rationally noted and recorded.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Bud Light Sucks Dicks on Mon Dec 30 15:46:51 2024
    XPost: alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, sac.politics, nj.politics
    XPost: nj.politics, or.politics

    Bud Light Sucks Dicks <bud-light-sucks-dicks@budlight.com> wrote in news:20241230.065454.832e2e84@remailer.frell.eu.org:

    In <vkt2jj$1aibk$1@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:
    In


    It does at some latitudes. And ancient people did notice that days
    got shorter/nights longer.

    The sun still gives us light during the night time via the moon.
    Except when the earth blocks the sunlight,

    People have always noticed the variances of day lengths.

    So?

    Productive working people.

    The Sun never died, nor was ever sick.

    1775 American ships in New England waters flew a "Liberty Tree"
    flag in 1775. It
    shows a green pine tree on a white background, with the words, "An
    Appeal to Heaven."
    1775 New England flag. White background with white, red, and blue
    stripes.

    Irrelevant - has nothing to do with a tree as a soltice symbol

    All flags have symbols on them, and the tree spoken of above in
    various flags mentioned above reflect that.

    But those flag symbols have nothing to do with Christmas or the
    Solstice.

    They mean different things to different people.

    You're stretching.

    It wasn't until the 16th Century that Christians first stole the
    tree symbol.

    False statement.

    are you ignorant or a liar?

    Neither.

    the Bible mentions trees as a symbol well before there were any
    christians. Were you ignorant of that?

    If that were true and relavant you would quote chapter and verse -
    but you didn't -- so you're a liar.

    Matthew 7:17-23
    "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit".

    You're stretching even further.


    ===========
    The Christmas tree was first recorded to be used by German
    Lutherans in the 16th
    century, with records indicating that a Christmas tree was placed
    in the Cathedral of
    Strasbourg in 1539 under the leadership of the Protestant Reformer
    Martin Bucer.
    ============



    And it wasn't until the 1850's that the tree became popular in
    the US.

    False Statement. Unless you are speaking of them ornamenting a
    tree.

    Again = ignorant or liar?
    ===========
    The Christmas tree came to America in 1850

    https://www.leomalovegrove.com/the-christmas-tree-came-to-america-in
    -1 850/ ===========
    Yes, the Christmas tree became popular in the United States in the
    1850s:

    You stated that the evergreen tree was the symbol, not the Christmas
    tree. That the Christmas tree was co-opted from the evergreen tree.
    So make up your mind. Were there Christmas trees before the 16th
    century? Or were you confused and cannot differentiate between an
    evergreen tree and a Christmas tree?

    Ah, gish gallop nonsense - we need go no further with your trash.

    Inability to discuss rationally noted and recorded.


    Anyone who engages in gish gallop is refusing to discuss rationally. For
    them it's all about control.

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