• No, the fires around L.A. are not due to "improper forest management"

    From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 19 11:38:12 2025
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    "Improper forest management" is just another typical cheap, easy-to-produce right-wingnut lie that they find comforting. The Santa Monica mountains around Pacific Palisades, and the south-facing slopes of the San Gabriel mountains above Altadena, are not "forest" (some higher elevation areas in the San Gabriels *are* forest, but that's not what burned this time). The hills above the burn areas are covered in chaparral, which is dense and impenetrable. *This*
    is chaparral: https://philarogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/8429033220_79e4b8c1c4_b.jpg https://tinyurl.com/2upkbwt4
    https://www.summitpost.org/dense-chaparral/306933 https://i0.wp.com/chaparralwisdom.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/manzanita-1b.jpg?resize=1024%2C677&ssl=1

    There is no accessible "floor" under chaparral, so you can't "rake the forest floor" (what a bullshit concept anyway). Nearly all chaparral plants are extremely flammable, and in fact, many of them *only* reproduce after an area has burned: seed pods only open under intense heat.

    You can clear brush immediately behind residential areas that abut chaparral-covered hillsides, and most communities in southern California require
    that (and it is done), but that's not going to do any good if a fire in chaparral gets going and is driven by 100 mph winds. The burning embers can and do travel for miles. Once houses start burning in winds of that speed, the houses become the fuel, not the brush.

    This map shows the burn area in Altadena from the Eaton fire: https://i.imgur.com/WsqOIpN.jpeg

    The hills at the top rise more than 2000 feet from the residential area in less than a mile. You do *not* clear those hills. If you do, flooding and mudslides as damaging as the fires result.

    No one blabbering about "forest management" and the L.A. area fires has a clue what he's bullshitting about. And the same goes for "water supply." None of the lying right-wingnuts have a clue.

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  • From Klaus Schadenfreude@21:1/5 to Rudy Canoza on Sun Jan 19 20:19:37 2025
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    Rudy Canoza wrote:

    "Improper forest management" is just another typical cheap,
    easy-to-produce right-wingnut lie that they find comforting. The
    Santa Monica mountains around Pacific Palisades, and the south-facing
    slopes of the San Gabriel mountains above Altadena, are not "forest"
    (some higher elevation areas in the San Gabriels are forest, but
    that's not what burned this time). The hills above the burn areas are
    covered in chaparral, which is dense and impenetrable. This is
    chaparral: https://philarogers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/8429033220_79e4b8c1 c4_b.jpg https://tinyurl.com/2upkbwt4 https://www.summitpost.org/dense-chaparral/306933

    https://i0.wp.com/chaparralwisdom.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/manzanita-1b.jpg?resize=1024%2C677&ssl=1

    There is no accessible "floor" under chaparral, so you can't "rake
    the forest floor" (what a bullshit concept anyway). Nearly all
    chaparral plants are extremely flammable, and in fact, many of them
    only reproduce after an area has burned: seed pods only open under
    intense heat.

    You can clear brush immediately behind residential areas that abut chaparral-covered hillsides, and most communities in southern
    California require that (and it is done), but that's not going to do
    any good if a fire in chaparral gets going and is driven by 100 mph
    winds. The burning embers can and do travel for miles. Once houses
    start burning in winds of that speed, the houses become the fuel, not
    the brush.

    This map shows the burn area in Altadena from the Eaton fire: https://i.imgur.com/WsqOIpN.jpeg

    The hills at the top rise more than 2000 feet from the residential
    area in less than a mile. You do not clear those hills. If you do,
    flooding and mudslides as damaging as the fires result.

    No one blabbering about "forest management" and the L.A. area fires
    has a clue what he's bullshitting about. And the same goes for "water supply." None of the lying right-wingnuts have a clue.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Sun Jan 19 16:22:46 2025
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