• Trump's bullshit executive order on birthright citizenship

    From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 23 14:04:00 2025
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    Here's what some of the bullshit order says:

    But the Fourteenth Amendment has never been interpreted to extend citizenship
    universally to everyone born within the United States. The Fourteenth
    Amendment has always excluded from birthright citizenship persons who were
    born in the United States but not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
    Consistent with this understanding, the Congress has further specified
    through legislation that “a person born in the United States, and subject to
    the jurisdiction thereof” is a national and citizen of the United States at
    birth, 8 U.S.C. 1401, generally mirroring the Fourteenth Amendment’s text.

    Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject
    to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does
    not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that
    person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father
    was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of
    said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the
    United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary
    (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices
    of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa)
    and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident
    at the time of said person’s birth.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/

    That is simply bullshit. The citizenship clause *has* been interpreted to extend
    automatically to the children born to mothers unlawfully present in the U.S., or
    who are lawfully present on a temporary visa. I don't think children born to those women *should* be considered covered by the citizenship clause, because the mothers are not *fully* subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, but the current interpretation of the clause is that those children are citizens. Trump and whatever fuckwitted incompetent lawyer who approved this bullshit are simply full of shit.

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