Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brsche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brsche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brsche?s friends said she was kept in solitary confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to >> President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse. >>
The cases of Jessica Brösche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed >> headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the >> White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brösche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brösche?s friends said she was kept in solitary >> confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place. >>
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for >> walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on >> Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.conBecause Biden isn't a Nazi, you fucking Nazi shitbag. Jailing people who try to enter the country legally and with proper documents is something Nazis like Trump do. Civilized administrations like Biden's don't do that.
says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to >> President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse. >>
The cases of Jessica Brösche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed >> headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the >> White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brösche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brösche?s friends said she was kept in solitary >> confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place. >>
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for >> walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on >> Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to >> President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brsche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed >> headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy >> visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brsche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brsche?s friends said she was kept in solitary >> confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on >> Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to >>>> President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brösche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed >>>> headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy >>>> visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brösche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brösche?s friends said she was kept in solitary >>>> confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on >>>> Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brsche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brsche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brsche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do
have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con >>>>> says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brösche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers. >>>>>>
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brösche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brösche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do
have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then
yes.
On 3/20/25 20:17, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con >>>>> says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brsche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers. >>>>>>
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brsche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brsche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do
have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then yes.
Where does the law specifically state that "legal crossing point" is a
hard requirement?
Yes, you've made that claim before, and yes, I've asked you the above question before ...
... and you've still never provided where the law requires what you've claimed.
-hh
In article <vrjrga$1msfs$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 20:17, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com >>> says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con >>>>>>> says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brösche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers. >>>>>>>>
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brösche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brösche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do >>>> have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then >>> yes.
Where does the law specifically state that "legal crossing point" is a
hard requirement?
Yes, you've made that claim before, and yes, I've asked you the above
question before ...
... and you've still never provided where the law requires what you've
claimed.
-hh
Do your own homework. We have legal crossing points for a reason. We
have fences and walls for a reason.
On 3/21/25 11:05, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrjrga$1msfs$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 20:17, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com >>> says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con >>>>>>> says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S.
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brsche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers. >>>>>>>>
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brsche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brsche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do >>>> have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then >>> yes.
Where does the law specifically state that "legal crossing point" is a
hard requirement?
Yes, you've made that claim before, and yes, I've asked you the above
question before ...
... and you've still never provided where the law requires what you've
claimed.
-hh
Do your own homework. We have legal crossing points for a reason. We
have fences and walls for a reason.
Once again, we've had this part of the conversation before too: it was
your claim, so its your responsibility to substantiate it.
But I'll play along thusly:
"The law DOES NOT REQUIRE entering exclusively at a 'legal crossing
point'".
Prove me wrong. You must do so according to your own rules.
-hh
In article <vrkbk1$1msft$5@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/21/25 11:05, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrjrga$1msfs$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 20:17, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com >>>>> says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con >>>>>>>>> says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S. >>>>>>>>>>
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brösche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers. >>>>>>>>>>
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brösche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brösche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do >>>>>> have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then >>>>> yes.
Where does the law specifically state that "legal crossing point" is a >>>> hard requirement?
Yes, you've made that claim before, and yes, I've asked you the above
question before ...
... and you've still never provided where the law requires what you've >>>> claimed.
-hh
Do your own homework. We have legal crossing points for a reason. We
have fences and walls for a reason.
Once again, we've had this part of the conversation before too: it was
your claim, so its your responsibility to substantiate it.
But I'll play along thusly:
"The law DOES NOT REQUIRE entering exclusively at a 'legal crossing
point'".
Prove me wrong. You must do so according to your own rules.
Fences and walls are there for a reason.
On 3/21/25 15:20, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrkbk1$1msft$5@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/21/25 11:05, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrjrga$1msfs$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 20:17, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S. >>>>>>>>>>
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brsche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brsche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brsche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do >>>>>> have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then
yes.
Where does the law specifically state that "legal crossing point" is a >>>> hard requirement?
Yes, you've made that claim before, and yes, I've asked you the above >>>> question before ...
... and you've still never provided where the law requires what you've >>>> claimed.
-hh
Do your own homework. We have legal crossing points for a reason. We
have fences and walls for a reason.
Once again, we've had this part of the conversation before too: it was
your claim, so its your responsibility to substantiate it.
But I'll play along thusly:
"The law DOES NOT REQUIRE entering exclusively at a 'legal crossing
point'".
Prove me wrong. You must do so according to your own rules.
Fences and walls are there for a reason.
Where does the law says that fences/walls are *required* on our borders?
-hh
In article <vrkkou$2cdaj$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/21/25 15:20, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrkbk1$1msft$5@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/21/25 11:05, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrjrga$1msfs$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 20:17, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brösche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brösche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brösche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do >>>>>>>> have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then
yes.
Where does the law specifically state that "legal crossing point" is a >>>>>> hard requirement?
Yes, you've made that claim before, and yes, I've asked you the above >>>>>> question before ...
... and you've still never provided where the law requires what you've >>>>>> claimed.
-hh
Do your own homework. We have legal crossing points for a reason. We >>>>> have fences and walls for a reason.
Once again, we've had this part of the conversation before too: it was >>>> your claim, so its your responsibility to substantiate it.
But I'll play along thusly:
"The law DOES NOT REQUIRE entering exclusively at a 'legal crossing
point'".
Prove me wrong. You must do so according to your own rules.
Fences and walls are there for a reason.
Where does the law says that fences/walls are *required* on our borders?
-hh
Who said the law required it?
You are twisting around shit.
On 3/21/25 19:11, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrkkou$2cdaj$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/21/25 15:20, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrkbk1$1msft$5@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/21/25 11:05, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrjrga$1msfs$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 20:17, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vri2s3$4am8$5@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
On 3/20/25 16:50, Skeeter wrote:
In article <vrhqmn$3t5cm$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
On 3/20/25 15:02, Skeeter wrote:
In article <8dZCP.584785$2zn8.100693@fx15.iad>, rudy@phil.hendrie.con
says...
Two German tourists who were attempting to enter the U.S. legally ? at a port of
entry and with valid documents ? were detained for days, in one case 46 days and
partly in solitary confinement.
German Tourists Detained for Weeks, Then Deported From U.S. >>>>>>>>>>>>
By Lynsey Chutel
Reporting from Berlin
March 13, 2025
Chained, detained for weeks and eventually deported, two German tourists trying
to enter the United States were recently tangled in a system responding to
President Trump?s push to sharply restrict entry and deport people en masse.
The cases of Jessica Brsche, held for 46 days, and Lucas Sielaff, held for 16,
and accounts of their rough handling by immigration officers, have grabbed
headlines in Germany as a sign of what being caught on the wrong side of the
White House?s immigration policy could mean for European travelers.
Tourists from most European countries, including Germany, generally enjoy
visa-free travel to the United States for up to 90 days. But Mr. Sielaff and Ms.
Brsche were stopped, separately, at the San Ysidro border crossing between San
Diego and Tijuana, told that they were being denied entry and sent to a crowded
detention center, according to their own accounts and those of their friends.
Mr. Sielaff said he was denied a translator and had trouble understanding what
was happening to him. Ms. Brsche?s friends said she was kept in solitary
confinement for nine days. By their accounts, both were flown back to Germany
without a clear understanding of why they were detained in the first place.
?Sometimes I just wake up because I have nightmares of this situation and what
happened,? Mr. Sielaff, 25, said in an interview. ?And I just try to go for
walks and calm down.?
The family of a tourist from Britain, Becky Burke, 28, says she has been held
for more than two weeks in Washington State, similarly caught up in the system
but unsure why.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE, did not respond on
Thursday to requests for comment on their cases.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/13/world/europe/german-tourists-detained-deported.html
Why hold them at all? Why not just refuse entry and send them back over the border?
Answer: because Trump is a Nazi.
Why didn't Biden do that for 4 years?
Taps the sign (again!):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
-hh
So you have no argument. Ok then.
So you do then admit that border crossers requesting refugee status do
have Due Process rights under US law. Okay then.
-hh
I didn't say that. YOU did. If they cross at a legal crossing point then
yes.
Where does the law specifically state that "legal crossing point" is a >>>>>> hard requirement?
Yes, you've made that claim before, and yes, I've asked you the above >>>>>> question before ...
... and you've still never provided where the law requires what you've >>>>>> claimed.
-hh
Do your own homework. We have legal crossing points for a reason. We >>>>> have fences and walls for a reason.
Once again, we've had this part of the conversation before too: it was >>>> your claim, so its your responsibility to substantiate it.
But I'll play along thusly:
"The law DOES NOT REQUIRE entering exclusively at a 'legal crossing
point'".
Prove me wrong. You must do so according to your own rules.
Fences and walls are there for a reason.
Where does the law says that fences/walls are *required* on our borders? >>
-hh
Who said the law required it?
You did.
You are twisting around shit.
By your methods. Sucks to be you! /s
-hh
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