• Screwed by Biden, 'It's a little scary': Millions of people behind on s

    From H Karlsen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 23 19:54:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on student
    loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt collector.
    Monday's announcement from the Department of Education ends a
    pandemic-era policy that let loan defaults slide.

    Involuntary collection begins May 5. For some students, it will be the
    first time they've ever had to confront the obligation of repaying their
    debt.

    "It's a little scary," said Portland State University student Ella
    Dansky. "With the tariffs that are happening right now, things are not
    cheap, and we can't afford to pay for anything, especially the loans."

    The Trump administration suggested that after five years, borrowers have
    had enough time to start paying off their loans. Still, the new
    financial reality is hitting several students like a ton of textbooks.

    "I am in the back of my head thinking, 'What am I going to do with this
    new debt when I'm out of here?'" said PSU grad student Steve Palmer.
    "That's how (Trump's) transactional White House is kind of operating
    right now."

    Starting May 5, the Education Department will start collecting on
    student loans in default, to include garnishing wages. Officials said
    right now, around 5.3 million federal student loans are in default.

    "American taxpayers will no longer be forced to serve as collateral for irresponsible student loan policies," said Education Secretary, Linda
    McMahon. "Student loans must always be paid back because they are unlike
    other types of consumer loans. If a borrower stops paying a mortgage or
    a car payment, he will go into foreclosure or find his car repossessed.
    Student loans have no collateral. It is impossible to repossess a
    college degree."

    For several years, U.S. Representative Suzanne Bonamici has been hosting student loan forgiveness webinars, hoping to help students struggling financially. She said her experience paints a different picture of
    students navigating college debt.

    "Most people are trying to pay back their student loans," said Bonamici.
    "It's not like, 'Oh, I'm just going to go to college and get a free
    ride.' That's not what's happening, and this administration doesn't
    understand that because as I said, they're out of touch."

    Bonamici invited Oregonians to reach out to her office for help dealing
    with student loans in default. She also suggested the Office of the
    Ombudsman at the state's Department of Consumer and Business Services is
    a good resource.

    The Education Department urged borrowers in default to do one of three
    things:

    Contact the Default Resolution Group to make a monthly payment.
    Enroll in an Income Driven Repayment Plan.
    Sign up for Loan Rehabilitation.

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student -loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exi t-recirc

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to H Karlsen on Wed Apr 23 16:05:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on student
    loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt collector.
    Monday's announcement from the Department of Education ends a
    pandemic-era policy that let loan defaults slide.

    Involuntary collection begins May 5. For some students, it will be the
    first time they've ever had to confront the obligation of repaying their debt.

    "It's a little scary," said Portland State University student Ella
    Dansky. "With the tariffs that are happening right now, things are not
    cheap, and we can't afford to pay for anything, especially the loans."

    The Trump administration suggested that after five years, borrowers have
    had enough time to start paying off their loans. Still, the new
    financial reality is hitting several students like a ton of textbooks.

    "I am in the back of my head thinking, 'What am I going to do with this
    new debt when I'm out of here?'" said PSU grad student Steve Palmer.
    "That's how (Trump's) transactional White House is kind of operating
    right now."

    Starting May 5, the Education Department will start collecting on
    student loans in default, to include garnishing wages. Officials said
    right now, around 5.3 million federal student loans are in default.

    "American taxpayers will no longer be forced to serve as collateral for irresponsible student loan policies," said Education Secretary, Linda McMahon. "Student loans must always be paid back because they are unlike other types of consumer loans. If a borrower stops paying a mortgage or
    a car payment, he will go into foreclosure or find his car repossessed. Student loans have no collateral. It is impossible to repossess a
    college degree."

    For several years, U.S. Representative Suzanne Bonamici has been hosting student loan forgiveness webinars, hoping to help students struggling financially. She said her experience paints a different picture of
    students navigating college debt.

    "Most people are trying to pay back their student loans," said Bonamici. "It's not like, 'Oh, I'm just going to go to college and get a free
    ride.' That's not what's happening, and this administration doesn't understand that because as I said, they're out of touch."

    Bonamici invited Oregonians to reach out to her office for help dealing
    with student loans in default. She also suggested the Office of the
    Ombudsman at the state's Department of Consumer and Business Services is
    a good resource.

    The Education Department urged borrowers in default to do one of three things:

    Contact the Default Resolution Group to make a monthly payment.
    Enroll in an Income Driven Repayment Plan.
    Sign up for Loan Rehabilitation.

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student -loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exi t-recirc


    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with
    the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for repaying
    on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Yak on Thu Apr 24 03:26:32 2025
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    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:

    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on
    student loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt
    collector. Monday's announcement from the Department of Education
    ends a pandemic-era policy that let loan defaults slide.

    Involuntary collection begins May 5. For some students, it will be
    the first time they've ever had to confront the obligation of
    repaying their debt.

    "It's a little scary," said Portland State University student Ella
    Dansky. "With the tariffs that are happening right now, things are
    not cheap, and we can't afford to pay for anything, especially the
    loans."

    The Trump administration suggested that after five years, borrowers
    have had enough time to start paying off their loans. Still, the new
    financial reality is hitting several students like a ton of
    textbooks.

    "I am in the back of my head thinking, 'What am I going to do with
    this new debt when I'm out of here?'" said PSU grad student Steve
    Palmer. "That's how (Trump's) transactional White House is kind of
    operating right now."

    Starting May 5, the Education Department will start collecting on
    student loans in default, to include garnishing wages. Officials said
    right now, around 5.3 million federal student loans are in default.

    "American taxpayers will no longer be forced to serve as collateral
    for irresponsible student loan policies," said Education Secretary,
    Linda McMahon. "Student loans must always be paid back because they
    are unlike other types of consumer loans. If a borrower stops paying
    a mortgage or a car payment, he will go into foreclosure or find his
    car repossessed. Student loans have no collateral. It is impossible
    to repossess a college degree."

    For several years, U.S. Representative Suzanne Bonamici has been
    hosting student loan forgiveness webinars, hoping to help students
    struggling financially. She said her experience paints a different
    picture of students navigating college debt.

    "Most people are trying to pay back their student loans," said
    Bonamici. "It's not like, 'Oh, I'm just going to go to college and
    get a free ride.' That's not what's happening, and this
    administration doesn't understand that because as I said, they're out
    of touch."

    Bonamici invited Oregonians to reach out to her office for help
    dealing with student loans in default. She also suggested the Office
    of the Ombudsman at the state's Department of Consumer and Business
    Services is a good resource.

    The Education Department urged borrowers in default to do one of
    three things:

    Contact the Default Resolution Group to make a monthly payment.
    Enroll in an Income Driven Repayment Plan.
    Sign up for Loan Rehabilitation.

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-stud
    ent
    -loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=
    exi t-recirc


    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with
    the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.


    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed. No money
    came out of your pocket to forgive those loans.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 09:42:41 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with
    the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    ... No money came out of your pocket to forgive those loans.

    Except tax money.

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to max headroom on Thu Apr 24 13:45:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/24/2025 12:42 PM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with
    the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it,
    part of the misnamed CARES Act. Along comes Biden46, waving his magic EO
    pen, and issued extension after extension on the pause. The only one's
    paying anything back were fed govt loan recipients with an ounce of
    integrity, or private loan recipients who, by the way, got no such favor
    of the pause.

    Along comes the Debt Ceiling Act of 2023, which mandated resumption of payments. However, Biden, waiving his EO pen which never seems to run
    out of ink, once again issued an extenstion - what he called a 'ramp-up'
    period to last one year. Miss a payment during that time? No problem -
    no default, no involuntary collections, nothing. Some were paying,
    others weren't, during the ramp up period. Many of those who did
    received lower payments and/or forgiveness (that's the taxpayer on the
    hook part).

    But wait, there's more!

    Biden, in his infinite wisdom, comes up with another inappropriately
    named boondoggle called the SAVE Plan, designed to reduced payments and
    offer forgiveness after 10–25 years, depending on loan size (there's
    that pesky taxpayer on the hook part again); and although parts of it
    were correctly struck down, other parts remain.

    Fast forward to September, 2024 - the ramp-up ends. Biden is in full
    dementia mode, Trump47 wins, the not paying your loan party is over.
    Done, kaput, time to nut up, shut up and adhere to the terms of the
    loans you willingly signed up for.


    ... No money came out of your pocket to forgive those loans.

    Except tax money.

    See above.



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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 11:15:56 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it, part of the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker. CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act.

    You stupid goddamned priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.

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  • From Roy Blankenship@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 19:37:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 24 Apr 2025, Rudy Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> posted some news:xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad:

    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the
    ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the
    thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and
    *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests
    hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind- >>>>>> student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?r >>>>>> ef=exit- recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck
    with the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook
    for repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it,
    part of the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed,"

    You'd prefer "midget cares act"?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Apr 24 16:26:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/24/2025 4:09 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 16:05:51 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:


    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with
    the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for repaying
    on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Agreed. 800 Billion dollars that just vanished in a puff of smoke
    into the PPP. All those businesses, loaned all that money, and all
    those loans forgiven within a couple of years.

    Heh, maybe there is hope for you after all.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 13:19:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:

    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/24/2025 12:42 PM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> >>> typed:
    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it, part of
    the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker. CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic
    Security Act.

    You stupid goddamned priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.

    Hate-filled Cunt Flaps can't dispute the facts.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 13:29:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/24/2025 1:19 PM, On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and
    *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad, Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote* (
    not "typed"):

    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> >>>> typed:
    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it, part of
    the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker. >> CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic
    Security Act.

    You stupid goddamned priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.

    Hate-filled Prof. Canoza
    No, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch).

    --
    Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ron@21:1/5 to Rudy Canoza on Thu Apr 24 13:51:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/24/2025 1:29 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 4/24/2025 1:19 PM, On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose
    mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad, Rudy Canoza, the
    intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical
    superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the
    thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote* (not
    "typed"):

    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up
    the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the
    thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and
    *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com>
    typed:
    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck >>>>>>> with
    the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused
    it, part of
    the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi
    cocksucker.
    CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and
    Economic
    Security Act.

    You stupid goddamned priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.

    Hate-filled Prof. Canoza
    No, o oozing scarlet red maxipad
    Are you smearing strawberry jam on sanitary napkins again?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 14:45:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:ZaxOP.1377108$f81.582974@fx48.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con>
    typed:

    On 4/24/2025 1:19 PM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con> typed:
    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in
    news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On every date, max headroom wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> >>>>> typed:
    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>>>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it, part >>>> of the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.
    CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and
    Economic Security Act.

    You stupid goddamned priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.

    Hate-filled Cunt Flaps can't dispute the facts.

    No....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From P. Coonan@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 22:03:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 24 Apr 2025, Yak <yak@inbox.com> posted some news:vudtb3$1h96b$3@dont-email.me:

    On 4/24/2025 12:42 PM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-s
    tudent-loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba
    1313?ref=exit-recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck
    with the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it,
    part of the misnamed CARES Act. Along comes Biden46, waving his magic
    EO pen, and issued extension after extension on the pause. The only
    one's paying anything back were fed govt loan recipients with an ounce
    of integrity, or private loan recipients who, by the way, got no such
    favor of the pause.

    Along comes the Debt Ceiling Act of 2023, which mandated resumption of payments. However, Biden, waiving his EO pen which never seems to run
    out of ink, once again issued an extenstion - what he called a
    'ramp-up' period to last one year. Miss a payment during that time? No problem - no default, no involuntary collections, nothing. Some were
    paying, others weren't, during the ramp up period. Many of those who
    did received lower payments and/or forgiveness (that's the taxpayer on
    the hook part).

    But wait, there's more!

    Biden, in his infinite wisdom, comes up with another inappropriately
    named boondoggle called the SAVE Plan, designed to reduced payments
    and offer forgiveness after 10–25 years, depending on loan size
    (there's that pesky taxpayer on the hook part again); and although
    parts of it were correctly struck down, other parts remain.

    Fast forward to September, 2024 - the ramp-up ends. Biden is in full
    dementia mode, Trump47 wins, the not paying your loan party is over.
    Done, kaput, time to nut up, shut up and adhere to the terms of the
    loans you willingly signed up for.


    ... No money came out of your pocket to forgive those loans.

    Except tax money.

    See above.

    Government employees with 120 payments could apply and get their loan
    forgiven.

    https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public- service#qualifying-employment

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 15:06:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:ZaxOP.1377108$f81.582974@fx48.iad, Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote* (
    not "typed"):

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:
    In news:xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad, Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote*
    (not "typed"):
    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com>
    typed:
    Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>>>>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for >>>>>>>> repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it, part
    of the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.
    CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and
    Economic Security Act.

    You stupid goddamned priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.

    Hate-filled Prof. Canoza

    No, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch).


    Looks like oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) forgot to say anything. No matter, because
    he never has anything meaningful to say, anyway.

    --
    Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From American Thinker@21:1/5 to the dwarf on Fri Apr 25 04:46:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: alt.politics.republicans, alt.society.liberalism

    In <xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad> the dwarf wrote:

    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it, part of
    the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker. CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic
    Security Act.

    Some of us prefer, "Con Artists Robbing Economic Stimulus."

    See the states governed by Gavin Newsom and Tim Walz.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Yak@21:1/5 to P. Coonan on Fri Apr 25 08:45:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/24/2025 6:03 PM, P. Coonan wrote:
    On 24 Apr 2025, Yak <yak@inbox.com> posted some news:vudtb3$1h96b$3@dont-email.me:

    On 4/24/2025 12:42 PM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-s >>>>>> tudent-loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba >>>>>> 1313?ref=exit-recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck
    with the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for
    repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it,
    part of the misnamed CARES Act. Along comes Biden46, waving his magic
    EO pen, and issued extension after extension on the pause. The only
    one's paying anything back were fed govt loan recipients with an ounce
    of integrity, or private loan recipients who, by the way, got no such
    favor of the pause.

    Along comes the Debt Ceiling Act of 2023, which mandated resumption of
    payments. However, Biden, waiving his EO pen which never seems to run
    out of ink, once again issued an extenstion - what he called a
    'ramp-up' period to last one year. Miss a payment during that time? No
    problem - no default, no involuntary collections, nothing. Some were
    paying, others weren't, during the ramp up period. Many of those who
    did received lower payments and/or forgiveness (that's the taxpayer on
    the hook part).

    But wait, there's more!

    Biden, in his infinite wisdom, comes up with another inappropriately
    named boondoggle called the SAVE Plan, designed to reduced payments
    and offer forgiveness after 10–25 years, depending on loan size
    (there's that pesky taxpayer on the hook part again); and although
    parts of it were correctly struck down, other parts remain.

    Fast forward to September, 2024 - the ramp-up ends. Biden is in full
    dementia mode, Trump47 wins, the not paying your loan party is over.
    Done, kaput, time to nut up, shut up and adhere to the terms of the
    loans you willingly signed up for.


    ... No money came out of your pocket to forgive those loans.

    Except tax money.

    See above.

    Government employees with 120 payments could apply and get their loan forgiven.

    https://studentaid.gov/manage-loans/forgiveness-cancellation/public- service#qualifying-employment

    Thanks for making the case for me.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Apr 25 09:01:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/25/2025 1:10 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 16:26:08 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/24/2025 4:09 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 16:05:51 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:


    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for repaying >>>> on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Agreed. 800 Billion dollars that just vanished in a puff of smoke
    into the PPP. All those businesses, loaned all that money, and all
    those loans forgiven within a couple of years.

    Heh, maybe there is hope for you after all.

    Dude, I've been a debt hawk since Carter. You can't have forgotten
    that Swill is a Debt Hawk!

    LOLOLOL!!!! Bwahahahahahahahah!!! Yeah...and republicans are debt hawks
    too.

    The *interest* on the debt is 2.4% GDP! Defense is only 3.4%.

    The problem always was, when I showed what was causing most of the
    debt, you didn't like it because ...

    ... most of the debt comes from Republicans.

    I've got quotes from Republican leadership swearing to spend away a
    surplus and drive up the deficit.

    Repeatedly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Apr 25 08:59:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/25/2025 12:52 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:45:07 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
    They paid, as they should have, until covid.

    What do you mean "until covid"?

    I mean they paid up until covid. What's not to understand?

    PPP was a reaction to COVID.

    No shit.

    Then, Trump45 paused it,
    part of the misnamed CARES Act.

    Wrong. PPP came after CARES.

    I never said it came before PPP. In fact, I never mentioned it because
    PPP has nothing to do with student loan repayment or forgiveness.

    "The CARES Act, or Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act,
    is a $2.2 trillion economic stimulus bill passed by Congress in
    response to the COVID-19 pandemic. It provides economic assistance to workers, families, small businesses, and industries, addressing the
    issues related to the pandemic's onset. The CARES Act was signed into
    law on March 27, 2020."


    Along comes Biden46, waving his magic EO pen,

    Like Trump waves his?

    Exactly.

    and issued extension after extension on the pause.

    A Republican Congress passed it, a Republican President signed it, a Republican President issued the first pause, a Democratic President
    continued the pause.

    Congress doesn't pass EOs.

    As much culbability there was from both sides, where are the lists of DEMOCRATIC congress critters who made out like a bandit with PPP?

    Nancy Pelost, Ron Wyden, Jeanne Shaheen, Susie Lee, Debbie
    Mucarsel-Powell, Matt Cartwright, Conor Lamb. I can keep going, but it
    doesn't matter, at least for purposes of this thread, because we're
    talking about student loans here.

    <crickets>

    The only one's
    paying anything back were fed govt loan recipients with an ounce of
    integrity, or private loan recipients who, by the way, got no such favor
    of the pause.

    So you agree that Republican Congress critters ripped off the tax
    payer by borrowing money and, in the end, forgiving themselves the
    debt.

    Damned right I agree. No one is blameless.

    Over $400B disappeared that way.

    These ten Republican Congress Critters stole $14,698,000 from us. <https://www.instagram.com/votolatino/p/CuU8QjYu7rw/?hl=en>

    And still, Republicans dare look you in the eye and complain about
    DEBT?

    There's a reason they are called RINOs, and why they are all a Uniparty.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Apr 25 15:05:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Bidens new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate debt of
    anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years (since July 1, 2005)
    and forgive the graduate-school debt of anyone who has been in repayment
    for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 14:49:44 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 16:58:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:tByOP.792466$j2D.119185@fx09.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> typed:

    On every date, max headroom wrote:
    In news:ZaxOP.1377108$f81.582974@fx48.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <rc.@hendrie.con> typed:
    On every date, max headroom wrote:
    In news:xdvOP.792463$j2D.698537@fx09.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <rc.@hendrie.con> typed:
    On 4/24/2025 10:45 AM, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in
    news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me:
    On every date, max headroom wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vubh70$3oqrk$1@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>> On 4/23/2025 3:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    https://www.kgw.com/article/news/education/millions-people-behind-student-
    loans-must-start-paying/283-97da664c-1a5b-4bf1-99b7-80bd9fba1313?ref=exit-
    recirc

    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with
    the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for >>>>>>>>> repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    They paid, as they should have, until covid. Then, Trump45 paused it, >>>>>> part of the misnamed CARES Act.

    It is not "misnamed," you stupid priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi
    cocksucker. CARES, like many laws, is an acronym for Coronavirus Aid, >>>>> Relief, and Economic Security Act.

    You stupid goddamned priest-fucked *fat* little Nazi cocksucker.

    Hate-filled Cunt Flaps can't dispute the facts.

    No...

    Looks like Max the Magnanimous forgot to say anything....

    Your admission that you can't dispute the facts says it all.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat Apr 26 02:50:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the student
    made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original loan, but it
    was all applied to the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20
    years of payments, the student still owes more than he borrowed.

    ===========
    Student loan payments were paused in 2020 in response to the pandemic
    but by 2021, almost two out of every three student loan borrowers who
    made voluntary payments during the COVID-19 payment pause ended up owing
    a larger balance than they originally did, according to a report from the National Consumer Law Center and the Center for Responsible Lending.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-student-loan-borrowers-owe-
    120118581.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 00:12:42 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the student
    made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original loan, but it
    was all applied to the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 07:58:26 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the student
    made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original loan, but it
    was all applied to the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than he borrowed.

    ===========
    Student loan payments were paused in 2020 in response to the pandemic ?
    but by 2021, almost two out of every three student loan borrowers who
    made voluntary payments during the COVID-19 payment pause ended up owing
    a larger balance than they originally did, according to a report from the National Consumer Law Center and the Center for Responsible Lending.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-student-loan-borrowers-owe- 120118581.html

    Maybe he should read the small print next time.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat Apr 26 14:52:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the principle
    -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than
    he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 10:10:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vuirut$2jm82$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the principle
    -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than
    he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    That's how it works.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 13:40:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vuirut$2jm82$2@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the principle
    -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than
    he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    But they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest," had they?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From West End Of Westbound Horse@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 27 10:09:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 27 Apr 2025, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> posted some news:vukthc$go64$2@dont-email.me:

    On 26/4/25 22:22, Governor Swill wrote:
    Ok, IMO it is highly hypocritical to say one thing and do another.
    In general, Republicans voted for PPP forgiveness, but against Studen
    debt forgiveness.

    The part that angers me is Congress removed student loans from
    bankruptcy discharge. You cannot even escape by defaulting.

    I am not pleased the Insane Oranger could escape his fraud debt
    with a bankruptcy.

    When specifically was that "fraud" debt bankruptcy? Was it 7 or 11?

    Note that bk records are public, highly detailed in his case with
    followup reporting that you may find annoyingly illuminating, so
    make an effort to be accurate.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Apr 27 02:31:24 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 26/4/25 22:22, Governor Swill wrote:
    Ok, IMO it is highly hypocritical to say one thing and do another. In general, Republicans voted for PPP forgiveness, but against Studen
    debt forgiveness.

    The part that angers me is Congress removed student loans from
    bankruptcy discharge. You cannot even escape by defaulting.

    I am not pleased the Insane Oranger could escape his fraud debt
    with a bankruptcy. But the point, even in the Bible as Jubilee,
    is a society can get so clogged up with who owes whom, it is
    better to have way to get rid of it, distributing the debt among
    the community.

    Except student debt.

    Mortgage is not discharged in a bankruptcy, but you can still get
    out by defaulting and letting the bank seize the house.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun Apr 27 09:52:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/25/2025 7:50 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the student
    made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original loan, but it
    was all applied to the interest and not to the principle

    *principal*, you goddamned fucking semi-literate retard.

    -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than he borrowed.

    The dummy wasn't even paying all the interest. *Of course* the loan balance is going to grow. That's like you paying only the minimum payment due on a credit card balance. That also doesn't cover all of the interest, so even if you don't use the credit card for any further purchases, your outstanding balance will grow. It's stupid, and you're just stupid enough to do it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Apr 27 20:05:41 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter >>>><bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Bidens new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate debt
    of anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years (since July
    1, 2005) and forgive the graduate-school debt of anyone who has been
    in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan principle plus
    interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is MORE
    than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even higher ...
    can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping shenanigans
    going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as principal.
    So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his loan principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student loan for 20
    years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a house mortgage
    in less time than that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 27 16:00:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter >>>><bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Biden?s new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate debt
    of anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years (since July
    1, 2005) and forgive the graduate-school debt of anyone who has been
    in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan principle plus interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is MORE
    than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping shenanigans
    going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as principal.
    So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his loan principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student loan for 20 years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a house mortgage
    in less time than that.

    Read the small print before you sign.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Mon Apr 28 00:53:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4278570429ceaa7598a081@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Biden?s new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate
    debt of anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years
    (since July 1, 2005) and forgive the graduate-school debt of anyone
    who has been in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan principle plus
    interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as
    principal. So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his loan
    principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student loan for
    20 years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a house
    mortgage in less time than that.

    Read the small print before you sign.


    Conservaturds always blame the victim.

    Did you read the small print before you voted for tRump?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Mon Apr 28 08:30:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/27/2025 5:31 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 26/4/25 22:22, Governor Swill wrote:
    Ok, IMO it is highly hypocritical to say one thing and do another.  In
    general, Republicans voted for PPP forgiveness, but against Studen
    debt forgiveness.

    The part that angers me is Congress removed student loans from
    bankruptcy discharge.


    You can thank a democrat congress for that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Apr 28 08:23:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/27/2025 1:22 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 08:59:57 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 12:52 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:45:07 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
    They paid, as they should have, until covid.

    What do you mean "until covid"?

    I mean they paid up until covid. What's not to understand?

    Ok, we're not on the same page. I'm talking about PPP, you're talking
    about student debt relief.

    That's because the subject is student loans.

    PPP was a reaction to COVID.

    No shit.

    Then, Trump45 paused it,
    part of the misnamed CARES Act.

    Wrong. PPP came after CARES.

    I never said it came before PPP. In fact, I never mentioned it because
    PPP has nothing to do with student loan repayment or forgiveness.

    Thus the misunderstanding.

    Ok, IMO it is highly hypocritical to say one thing and do another. In general, Republicans voted for PPP forgiveness, but against Studen
    debt forgiveness.

    Why?

    Because they're hypocrites, as are the democrats who voted infavor of
    PPP and against stuydent debt relief. Welcome to politics in DC.

    "The CARES Act, or Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act,
    is a $2.2 trillion economic stimulus bill passed by Congress in
    response to the COVID-19 pandemic. It provides economic assistance to
    workers, families, small businesses, and industries, addressing the
    issues related to the pandemic's onset. The CARES Act was signed into
    law on March 27, 2020."


    Along comes Biden46, waving his magic EO pen,

    Like Trump waves his?

    Exactly.

    and issued extension after extension on the pause.

    A Republican Congress passed it, a Republican President signed it, a
    Republican President issued the first pause, a Democratic President
    continued the pause.

    Congress doesn't pass EOs.

    Cares and PPP were not EOs.

    Doesn't change the fact that Republicans blocked student debt relief
    but "disappeared" at least $400B and were forgiven their own debt into
    the bargain.

    Biden signed EOs to extend forgiveness.

    As much culbability there was from both sides, where are the lists of
    DEMOCRATIC congress critters who made out like a bandit with PPP?

    Nancy Pelost, Ron Wyden, Jeanne Shaheen, Susie Lee, Debbie
    Mucarsel-Powell, Matt Cartwright, Conor Lamb. I can keep going, but it
    doesn't matter, at least for purposes of this thread, because we're
    talking about student loans here.

    What did they do?

    ???

    The only one's
    paying anything back were fed govt loan recipients with an ounce of
    integrity, or private loan recipients who, by the way, got no such favor >>>> of the pause.

    So you agree that Republican Congress critters ripped off the tax
    payer by borrowing money and, in the end, forgiving themselves the
    debt.

    Damned right I agree. No one is blameless.

    Over $400B disappeared that way.

    These ten Republican Congress Critters stole $14,698,000 from us.
    <https://www.instagram.com/votolatino/p/CuU8QjYu7rw/?hl=en>

    And still, Republicans dare look you in the eye and complain about
    DEBT?

    There's a reason they are called RINOs, and why they are all a Uniparty.

    A RINO is someone masquerading as a Republican but actually isn't.

    Trump is a RINO. He is NOT a conservative, his political leanings
    have always been to Democrats and he considers himself above the law.

    Maga is Trump's uniparty. They do whatever they're told.

    His organizational patterns are those of a mobster. By selecting for
    loyalty rather than competence, he can only hurt us, not destroy us.

    I want to see responsible Republicans back in office. That does not
    include the motley crew of rip offs calling themselves "Republican"
    today.

    So do I.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Apr 28 08:40:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/27/2025 1:51 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 09:01:01 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 1:10 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 16:26:08 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/24/2025 4:09 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 16:05:51 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:


    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck with >>>>>> the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook for repaying >>>>>> on the obligations that they willingly signed on for.

    Agreed. 800 Billion dollars that just vanished in a puff of smoke
    into the PPP. All those businesses, loaned all that money, and all
    those loans forgiven within a couple of years.

    Heh, maybe there is hope for you after all.

    Dude, I've been a debt hawk since Carter. You can't have forgotten
    that Swill is a Debt Hawk!

    LOLOLOL!!!! Bwahahahahahahahah!!! Yeah...and republicans are debt hawks
    too.

    Why you wanna be an ass? Especially about something we have in
    common.

    I've been on Usenet twenty years as Governor Swill, so don't act like
    you're unaware of who I am.

    Sorry, I'm having a hard time reconciling your opposition to DOGE in
    this light.

    When you measure debt by %growth and %GDP, it always grows faster
    under Republican Administrations and especially with Republican
    Houses.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Yak on Mon Apr 28 13:37:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vunsd8$39ghe$1@dont-email.me:

    On 4/27/2025 5:31 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 26/4/25 22:22, Governor Swill wrote:
    Ok, IMO it is highly hypocritical to say one thing and do another.  In
    general, Republicans voted for PPP forgiveness, but against Studen
    debt forgiveness.

    The part that angers me is Congress removed student loans from
    bankruptcy discharge.


    You can thank a democrat congress for that.





    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.

    https://www.consumerfinancemonitor.com/2020/01/21/bankruptcy-court- discharges-student-loan-debt/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Apr 28 10:31:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/28/2025 9:37 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vunsd8$39ghe$1@dont-email.me:

    On 4/27/2025 5:31 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 26/4/25 22:22, Governor Swill wrote:
    Ok, IMO it is highly hypocritical to say one thing and do another.  In >>>> general, Republicans voted for PPP forgiveness, but against Studen
    debt forgiveness.

    The part that angers me is Congress removed student loans from
    bankruptcy discharge.


    You can thank a democrat congress for that.





    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.

    https://www.consumerfinancemonitor.com/2020/01/21/bankruptcy-court- discharges-student-loan-debt/




    No, you can thank congress for that too.

    That student debt is not dischargable in bankruptcy is a myth. In spite
    of a democrat congress restricting bankruptcy protection, the law it
    created still gives the debtor an option for discharge due to undue
    hardship; although it's still a very difficult standard to meet.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Apr 28 15:26:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is MORE
    than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even higher
    ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in this
    situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed up in your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language so as not
    to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US is so
    expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some places even free.

    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was that a
    lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying, they were
    just there to collect the stipend.

    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class -
    beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they don't
    protest, even after they graduate.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Yak on Mon Apr 28 09:44:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 28/4/25 5:30, Yak wrote:
    On 4/27/2025 5:31 AM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 26/4/25 22:22, Governor Swill wrote:
    Ok, IMO it is highly hypocritical to say one thing and do
    another. In
    general, Republicans voted for PPP forgiveness, but against
    Studen
    debt forgiveness.

    The part that angers me is Congress removed student loans from
    bankruptcy discharge.


    You can thank a democrat congress for that.



    More reason to vote Green.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 11:25:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/28/2025 5:23 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On 4/27/2025 1:22 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 08:59:57 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 12:52 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:45:07 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
    They paid, as they should have, until covid.

    What do you mean "until covid"?

    I mean they paid up until covid. What's not to understand?

    Ok, we're not on the same page.  I'm talking about PPP, you're talking
    about student debt relief.

    That's because the subject is student loans.
    The subject, you priest-fucked *fat* little cocksucker, is government loans to people that are then forgiven.

    --
    Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Rudy Canoza on Mon Apr 28 14:37:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/28/2025 2:25 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 4/28/2025 5:23 AM, Gak, *fat* little Nazi cocksucker fucked up the
    ass by priests hundreds of times — and *admits* it — lied:

    On 4/27/2025 1:22 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 08:59:57 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 12:52 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:45:07 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
    They paid, as they should have, until covid.

    What do you mean "until covid"?

    I mean they paid up until covid. What's not to understand?

    Ok, we're not on the same page.  I'm talking about PPP, you're talking
    about student debt relief.

    That's because the subject is student loans.
    The subject,

    I guess you can't read the subject line from way down there, Jon Ball.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 12:59:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vumjj1$20ugl$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4278570429ceaa7598a081@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Biden?s new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate
    debt of anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years
    (since July 1, 2005) and forgive the graduate-school debt of anyone
    who has been in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan principle plus
    interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as
    principal. So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his loan
    principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student loan for
    20 years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a house
    mortgage in less time than that.

    Read the small print before you sign.


    Conservaturds always blame the victim.

    Did you read the small print before you voted for tRump?

    What does that have to do with taking out a loan? You are
    making criminals out to be heroes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 13:02:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vuo6mj$3i5p5$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is MORE >>than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even higher
    ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime >>Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in this situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed up in your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language so as not
    to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US is so expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some places even free.

    You get what you pay for.

    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was that a
    lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying, they were
    just there to collect the stipend.

    $700 a month back in 73 was a good deal.

    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class -
    beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they don't
    protest, even after they graduate.

    Well they better figure out something. They ain't going on
    our dime anymore.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Mon Apr 28 20:51:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.42797ea8656049d498a08c@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuo6mj$3i5p5$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in this
    situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed up in your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language so as
    not to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US is so
    expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some places even
    free.

    You get what you pay for.

    You believe that bullshit myth of US exceptionalism.


    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was that
    a lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying, they
    were just there to collect the stipend.

    $700 a month back in 73 was a good deal.

    Non sequiteur


    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class -
    beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they don't
    protest, even after they graduate.

    Well they better figure out something. They ain't going on
    our dime anymore.

    So you think if you let the morbidly rich ass fuck you they drop you a
    crumb?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Mon Apr 28 20:49:41 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.42797df737e35d8f98a08b@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vumjj1$20ugl$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4278570429ceaa7598a081@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Biden?s new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate
    debt of anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years
    (since July 1, 2005) and forgive the graduate-school debt of
    anyone
    who has been in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan principle
    plus
    interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the
    small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as
    principal. So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his loan
    principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student loan
    for
    20 years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a house
    mortgage in less time than that.

    Read the small print before you sign.


    Conservaturds always blame the victim.

    Did you read the small print before you voted for tRump?

    What does that have to do with taking out a loan? You are
    making criminals out to be heroes.


    So teens wanting to get an education are now criminals!!!.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 17:32:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vuopl4$4tab$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.42797df737e35d8f98a08b@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vumjj1$20ugl$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4278570429ceaa7598a081@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Biden?s new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate
    debt of anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years
    (since July 1, 2005) and forgive the graduate-school debt of
    anyone
    who has been in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan principle
    plus
    interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the
    small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as
    principal. So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his loan
    principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student loan
    for
    20 years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a house
    mortgage in less time than that.

    Read the small print before you sign.


    Conservaturds always blame the victim.

    Did you read the small print before you voted for tRump?

    What does that have to do with taking out a loan? You are
    making criminals out to be heroes.


    So teens wanting to get an education are now criminals!!!.

    Who said that? Oh YOU did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 17:34:44 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vuopp9$4tab$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.42797ea8656049d498a08c@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuo6mj$3i5p5$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in this
    situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed up in your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language so as
    not to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US is so
    expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some places even
    free.

    You get what you pay for.

    You believe that bullshit myth of US exceptionalism.

    It's life. The more you pay the better the product.


    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was that
    a lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying, they
    were just there to collect the stipend.

    $700 a month back in 73 was a good deal.

    Non sequiteur

    That was my GI bill.


    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class -
    beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they don't
    protest, even after they graduate.

    Well they better figure out something. They ain't going on
    our dime anymore.

    So you think if you let the morbidly rich ass fuck you they drop you a
    crumb?

    That's never happened and most likely never will so I'll
    let you worry about it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue Apr 29 01:44:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4279be7f2d6de1ba98a095 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuopp9$4tab$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.42797ea8656049d498a08c@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuo6mj$3i5p5$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is
    even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's
    bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in this
    situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed up in
    your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language so as
    not to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US is so
    expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some places even
    free.

    You get what you pay for.

    You believe that bullshit myth of US exceptionalism.

    It's life. The more you pay the better the product.

    tRump has ruined that.



    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was
    that
    a lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying, they
    were just there to collect the stipend.

    $700 a month back in 73 was a good deal.

    Non sequiteur

    That was my GI bill.

    Ok - yeah, you were one of those who were just there for the money and
    didn't learn anything.



    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class -
    beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they don't
    protest, even after they graduate.

    Well they better figure out something. They ain't going on
    our dime anymore.

    So you think if you let the morbidly rich ass fuck you they drop you a
    crumb?

    That's never happened and most likely never will so I'll
    let you worry about it.

    Right - you're such a bum fuck they'll never feel the need to drop you a
    crumb.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue Apr 29 01:41:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4279be10cd3e627198a094@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuopl4$4tab$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.42797df737e35d8f98a08b@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vumjj1$20ugl$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4278570429ceaa7598a081@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Biden?s new plan aims to automatically cancel the
    undergraduate debt of anyone who has been repaying their
    loans for 20 years (since July 1, 2005) and forgive the
    graduate-school debt of
    anyone
    who has been in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan
    principle
    plus
    interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid
    is MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance
    is even higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's
    bookkeeping shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in
    those Subprime Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the
    small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as
    principal. So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his
    loan principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student
    loan
    for
    20 years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a
    house mortgage in less time than that.

    Read the small print before you sign.


    Conservaturds always blame the victim.

    Did you read the small print before you voted for tRump?

    What does that have to do with taking out a loan? You are
    making criminals out to be heroes.


    So teens wanting to get an education are now criminals!!!.

    Who said that? Oh YOU did.


    Laughs and points. Relax, we're laughing AT you - not with you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From bruno@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 29 07:34:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 26 Apr 2025, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> posted some news:85hr0ktcg9bip7vt2ubdg8sj0nuqvu7gkj@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 09:01:01 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 1:10 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 16:26:08 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/24/2025 4:09 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 16:05:51 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:


    The only people that got screwed were the taxpayers who got stuck
    with the bill for these lazy welchers who were let off the hook
    for repaying on the obligations that they willingly signed on
    for.

    Agreed. 800 Billion dollars that just vanished in a puff of smoke
    into the PPP. All those businesses, loaned all that money, and
    all those loans forgiven within a couple of years.

    Heh, maybe there is hope for you after all.

    Dude, I've been a debt hawk since Carter. You can't have forgotten
    that Swill is a Debt Hawk!

    LOLOLOL!!!! Bwahahahahahahahah!!! Yeah...and republicans are debt
    hawks too.

    Why you wanna be an ass? Especially about something we have in
    common.

    I've been on Usenet twenty years as Governor Swill, so don't act like
    you're unaware of who I am.

    Twenty years is a long time to be jobless.

    When you measure debt by %growth and %GDP, it always grows faster
    under Republican Administrations and especially with Republican
    Houses.

    It's an expected result when taking over from Democrats who constantly
    raise taxes and absolutely refuse to reduce their wasteful social
    activism spending.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 22:57:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Bidens new plan aims to automatically cancel the undergraduate debt
    of anyone who has been repaying their loans for 20 years (since July
    1, 2005) and forgive the graduate-school debt of anyone who has been
    in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan principle plus
    interest but still having a balance.

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is MORE
    than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is even higher ... can't you figure it out from there?...

    Now you're just doing Bernie sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for twenty years and the balance is higher, you accepted an interest rate that's too high.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Apr 29 08:19:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/29/2025 7:06 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:40:12 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    Sorry, I'm having a hard time reconciling your opposition to DOGE in
    this light.

    It's not the principal, it's the execution.

    You can't get rid of a trillion dollars closing national parks three
    days a week or by randomly slashing a chain saw about to learn who you
    can and can't do without.

    Deficit reduction is hard. Who said, "Who knew healthcare was so
    hard?"

    You have two choices, Republicans, drastically slash Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Defense or put those tax rates back where they
    were we were actually able to pay our bills.

    Please note:

    Fair enough. However, we got to this point inch by inch, like a frog
    slowly boining in water who doesn't realize it until it's too late.
    People have become accustomed to the freebies in life, whether
    constitutional or not. Curiously, folks tend to display a lot of
    selective outrage when it comes to crying 'unconstitutional.'

    Fact is, govt is bloated with bureaucracy and NGOs that are not, in my
    opinion, within the confiens of a properly defined govt'l role. I
    default to the constitution (i.e. cite for me the part of it that
    mandates confiscating taxpayer dollars to fund "inclusive and
    participatory political process" in Moldova). This kind of nonsense
    shouldn't even be up for debate; and I don't canre whether it's $.01 or
    $1B. I can say the same for healthcare (including medicare/medicaid),
    social security, etc. But dammit, we need to start somewhere, then keep
    going until we get back to true freedom, liberty and *real* limited govt.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to max headroom on Tue Apr 29 07:53:58 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vuirut$2jm82$2@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the principle
    -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than
    he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    But they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest," had they?

    No, but that’s a poor way to look at the question for two reasons.

    First is that since it is a debt that is much harder to discharge, the
    interest rate should be vastly lower than what has been charged.

    Second is that since the point of these loan programs is an investment in
    the future which also benefits society & the economy, it also should be at discounted interest rates.

    That it isn’t is indicative of exploitation of students for private banks
    to profit from.

    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue Apr 29 07:55:36 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the student
    made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original loan, but it
    was all applied to the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20
    years of payments, the student still owes more than he borrowed.

    ===========
    Student loan payments were paused in 2020 in response to the pandemic ?
    but by 2021, almost two out of every three student loan borrowers who
    made voluntary payments during the COVID-19 payment pause ended up owing
    a larger balance than they originally did, according to a report from the
    National Consumer Law Center and the Center for Responsible Lending.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-student-loan-borrowers-owe-
    120118581.html

    Maybe he should read the small print next time.


    I ended up doing that on mine..and found that it wasn’t a simple interest loan.

    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Apr 29 15:08:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:f6c11k5mq8crjh6mckl6pl3kf61noa3olq@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:26:11 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US is so

    More important is to discuss it coherently.


    And here you demonstrate your cowardace, and your lack of commitment to the Constitution and people of the US

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Yak on Tue Apr 29 15:12:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:vuqg4b$1nu15$1@dont-email.me:




    Fact is, govt is bloated with bureaucracy and NGOs that are not, in my opinion, within the confiens of a properly defined govt'l role.

    NO, that is not fact. That's propaganda created by the morbidly rich
    because they believe in a caste system instead of equiality.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 29 10:37:26 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vupanp$jvph$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4279be10cd3e627198a094@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuopl4$4tab$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.42797df737e35d8f98a08b@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vumjj1$20ugl$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4278570429ceaa7598a081@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vum2mk$1hgi9$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:rsfr0k199n82eklbvvobvnm6febpvidtau@4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:



    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:
    ===========
    Borrowers who have been in repayment for more than 20 years
    Biden?s new plan aims to automatically cancel the
    undergraduate debt of anyone who has been repaying their
    loans for 20 years (since July 1, 2005) and forgive the
    graduate-school debt of
    anyone
    who has been in repayment for 25 years (since July 1, 2000).

    We know how it worked.

    You were asked to cite cases of students paying loan
    principle
    plus
    interest but still having a balance.


    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid
    is MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance
    is even higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's
    bookkeeping shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in
    those Subprime Mortgage bullshit.

    They make these loans to unsophisiticated 18-year-olds, and the
    small
    print lets them add any interest accumulated into the loan as
    principal. So yeah, it takes the kid awhile to land a job, his
    loan principle keeps growing - and the intrest along with it

    Stop an ask yourself if they've been paying on their student
    loan
    for
    20 years why isn't already paid off? Hell you can pay of a
    house mortgage in less time than that.

    Read the small print before you sign.


    Conservaturds always blame the victim.

    Did you read the small print before you voted for tRump?

    What does that have to do with taking out a loan? You are
    making criminals out to be heroes.


    So teens wanting to get an education are now criminals!!!.

    Who said that? Oh YOU did.


    Laughs and points. Relax, we're laughing AT you - not with you.

    TINW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 29 10:39:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vupat2$jvph$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4279be7f2d6de1ba98a095 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuopp9$4tab$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.42797ea8656049d498a08c@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuo6mj$3i5p5$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've paid is
    MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan balance is
    even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's
    bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those Subprime
    Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in this
    situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed up in
    your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language so as
    not to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US is so
    expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some places even
    free.

    You get what you pay for.

    You believe that bullshit myth of US exceptionalism.

    It's life. The more you pay the better the product.

    tRump has ruined that.

    How so?



    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was
    that
    a lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying, they
    were just there to collect the stipend.

    $700 a month back in 73 was a good deal.

    Non sequiteur

    That was my GI bill.

    Ok - yeah, you were one of those who were just there for the money and
    didn't learn anything.

    Actually I did. I got paid to learn. No loans. I earned
    it.



    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class -
    beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they don't
    protest, even after they graduate.

    Well they better figure out something. They ain't going on
    our dime anymore.

    So you think if you let the morbidly rich ass fuck you they drop you a
    crumb?

    That's never happened and most likely never will so I'll
    let you worry about it.

    Right - you're such a bum fuck they'll never feel the need to drop you a crumb.

    So? They haven't so far. Why should I care. Unlike you I
    ear whats mine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 29 10:40:07 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <621986683.767624098.043394.recscuba_google- huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the student
    made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original loan, but it >> was all applied to the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 >> years of payments, the student still owes more than he borrowed.

    ===========
    Student loan payments were paused in 2020 in response to the pandemic ?
    but by 2021, almost two out of every three student loan borrowers who
    made voluntary payments during the COVID-19 payment pause ended up owing >> a larger balance than they originally did, according to a report from the >> National Consumer Law Center and the Center for Responsible Lending.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-student-loan-borrowers-owe-
    120118581.html

    Maybe he should read the small print next time.


    I ended up doing that on mine..and found that it wasn?t a simple interest loan.

    -hh

    Did you sign it anyway?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Apr 29 12:45:42 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/29/2025 11:45 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 08:19:23 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    People have become accustomed to the freebies in life, whether
    constitutional or not.

    Call freebies what they are: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

    Cut Medicaid and lose much poor, especially rural, support. Cut SSA
    or Medicare and lose that all important elder vote. Cut defense and
    lose younger voters and defense hawks terrified of an ascending China.


    So buying off voters is mroe important than the constitution. My point
    exactly. Thanks for helping me make it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue Apr 29 16:49:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.427aae96131c831d98a09d@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vupat2$jvph$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4279be7f2d6de1ba98a095 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuopp9$4tab$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.42797ea8656049d498a08c@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuo6mj$3i5p5$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've
    paid is MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan
    balance is
    even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's
    bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those
    Subprime Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in
    this situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed
    up in
    your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language
    so as not to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US
    is so expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some
    places even free.

    You get what you pay for.

    You believe that bullshit myth of US exceptionalism.

    It's life. The more you pay the better the product.

    tRump has ruined that.

    How so?



    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was
    that
    a lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying,
    they were just there to collect the stipend.

    $700 a month back in 73 was a good deal.

    Non sequiteur

    That was my GI bill.

    Ok - yeah, you were one of those who were just there for the money
    and didn't learn anything.

    Actually I did. I got paid to learn. No loans. I earned
    it.



    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class
    - beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they
    don't protest, even after they graduate.

    Well they better figure out something. They ain't going on
    our dime anymore.

    So you think if you let the morbidly rich ass fuck you they drop
    you a crumb?

    That's never happened and most likely never will so I'll
    let you worry about it.

    Right - you're such a bum fuck they'll never feel the need to drop
    you a crumb.

    So? They haven't so far. Why should I care. Unlike you I
    ear whats mine.


    We hear that bullshit "earn" all the time from the biggest welfare
    recipients.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Apr 29 11:37:44 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 29/4/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:
    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.
    He's right, you know. The Dems had the power to keep that in but they didn't.


    Dems are also corporate whores. Green Party is not significant
    enough to be tempted.

    --
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    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Yak on Tue Apr 29 12:27:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 29/4/25 5:19, Yak wrote:
    Fact is, govt is bloated with bureaucracy and NGOs that are not,
    in my opinion, within the confiens of a properly defined govt'l
    role. I default to the constitution (i.e. cite for me

    Executive agencies and their budgets come from Congress. As in
    the Constitution. Presidents do not get to allocate funds.

    If you do not like what Congress does, vote different.

    --
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    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 29 13:01:16 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:631108688.767623871.742211.recscuba_google-huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org, -
    hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> typed:

    max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vuirut$2jm82$2@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> >> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the principle >>>>> -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than
    he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    But they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest," had they?

    No, but that's a poor way to look at the question for two reasons.

    First is that since it is a debt that is much harder to discharge...

    Why is that?

    ... the interest rate should be vastly lower than what has been charged.

    Second is that since the point of these loan programs is an investment in
    the future which also benefits society & the economy, it also should be at discounted interest rates.

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 29 15:20:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vuqvun$27jhh$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.427aae96131c831d98a09d@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vupat2$jvph$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4279be7f2d6de1ba98a095 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuopp9$4tab$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.42797ea8656049d498a08c@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vuo6mj$3i5p5$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6r4v0k1gmbht1pjl2j71p7ko34v3t93alp@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 20:05:41 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Now you're just doing MAGA sematics, aren't you?

    If you've been paying for 20 years, and the amount you've
    paid is MORE than you originally borrowed but now your loan
    balance is
    even
    higher ... can't you figure it out from there? There's
    bookkeeping
    shenanigans going on -- simialar to shenanigans in those
    Subprime Mortgage bullshit.

    We know all this. You were asked to document individuals in
    this situation. It's taken you a while to get *this* firmed
    up in
    your
    cites.

    Have your cites ready and carefully construct your language
    so as not to be misconstrued.

    More important would be to talk about why Education in the US
    is so expensive. Other countries it is much cheaper and some
    places even free.

    You get what you pay for.

    You believe that bullshit myth of US exceptionalism.

    It's life. The more you pay the better the product.

    tRump has ruined that.

    How so?



    Remember the GI Bill? Word at the time (1950's. 60's, 70's) was
    that
    a lot of those going on the GI Bill weren't actively studying,
    they were just there to collect the stipend.

    $700 a month back in 73 was a good deal.

    Non sequiteur

    That was my GI bill.

    Ok - yeah, you were one of those who were just there for the money
    and didn't learn anything.

    Actually I did. I got paid to learn. No loans. I earned
    it.



    Then the morbidily rich decided to make war on the Middle Class
    - beginning with Reagan. Keep those students struggling so they
    don't protest, even after they graduate.

    Well they better figure out something. They ain't going on
    our dime anymore.

    So you think if you let the morbidly rich ass fuck you they drop
    you a crumb?

    That's never happened and most likely never will so I'll
    let you worry about it.

    Right - you're such a bum fuck they'll never feel the need to drop
    you a crumb.

    So? They haven't so far. Why should I care. Unlike you I
    ear whats mine.


    We hear that bullshit "earn" all the time from the biggest welfare recipients.

    Of course YOU do. It happens with you people all the time.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Apr 29 16:54:20 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 29/4/25 15:28, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:01:16 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    Everything exists to benefit society.


    Then came Reagan.

    --
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to max headroom on Tue Apr 29 16:58:40 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 29/4/25 13:01, max headroom wrote:
    Second is that since the point of these loan programs is an investment in
    the future which also benefits society & the economy, it also should be at >> >discounted interest rates.
    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    When I attended CSU is about $100/semester and $100/books.

    Pat Brown set up CSC with the understanding educate Californians
    would probably live and work in California at higher wages,
    paying higher taxes. And then they could fund the next generation.

    For random reasons a bunch of tech companies openned in
    California. And they had a bunch of college educated eager young
    employees that made the companies profitable and in turn
    capitalised more and more profitable companies.

    Then came Reagan.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Apr 29 16:58:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 29/4/25 11:57, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 12:45:42 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 4/29/2025 11:45 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 08:19:23 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    People have become accustomed to the freebies in life, whether
    constitutional or not.

    Call freebies what they are: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

    Cut Medicaid and lose much poor, especially rural, support. Cut SSA
    or Medicare and lose that all important elder vote. Cut defense and
    lose younger voters and defense hawks terrified of an ascending China.


    So buying off voters is mroe important than the constitution. My point
    exactly. Thanks for helping me make it.

    My point is that revenue needs to match spending. In this case,
    spending cannot be cut to match current revenue therefore revenue must
    come up.

    Let's return to Clinton's tax code ca 2000, a time when our spending
    was restrained and revenues were high.


    Economic growth depends on bribing billionaires with no more to
    invest their money with trillions in tax cut. This truth was
    explained in trickle down urination economics.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed Apr 30 02:32:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vur69f$2d8hd$3@dont-
    email.me:

    On 29/4/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:
    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.
    He's right, you know. The Dems had the power to keep that in but they
    didn't.


    Dems are also corporate whores. Green Party is not significant
    enough to be tempted.


    You need to be practical in order to save our democracy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue Apr 29 20:07:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 29/4/25 19:32, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vur69f$2d8hd$3@dont-
    email.me:

    On 29/4/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:
    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.
    He's right, you know. The Dems had the power to keep that in but they
    didn't.


    Dems are also corporate whores. Green Party is not significant
    enough to be tempted.


    You need to be practical in order to save our democracy.


    Choosing well is more important than winning.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From james@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 30 07:24:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 29 Apr 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:vus234$3a407$2@dont-email.me:

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vur69f$2d8hd$3@dont-
    email.me:

    On 29/4/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:
    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.
    He's right, you know. The Dems had the power to keep that in but
    they didn't.


    Dems are also corporate whores. Green Party is not significant
    enough to be tempted.


    You need to be practical in order to save our democracy.

    That requirement will automatically exclude Democrats.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to james on Wed Apr 30 01:21:43 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 30/4/25 0:24, james wrote:
    On 29 Apr 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:vus234$3a407$2@dont-email.me:

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vur69f$2d8hd$3@dont-
    email.me:

    On 29/4/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:
    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.
    He's right, you know. The Dems had the power to keep that in but
    they didn't.


    Dems are also corporate whores. Green Party is not significant
    enough to be tempted.


    You need to be practical in order to save our democracy.

    That requirement will automatically exclude Democrats.


    Kill your way to a perfect society.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to james on Wed Apr 30 13:09:34 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    james <seaside@email.com> wrote in news:vusj8a$4hl$3@toxic.dizum.net:

    On 29 Apr 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:vus234$3a407$2@dont-email.me:

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vur69f$2d8hd$3@dont-
    email.me:

    On 29/4/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:
    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.
    He's right, you know. The Dems had the power to keep that in but
    they didn't.


    Dems are also corporate whores. Green Party is not significant
    enough to be tempted.


    You need to be practical in order to save our democracy.

    That requirement will automatically exclude Democrats.



    It wasn't Democrats who tried to overthrow
    democracy with fake electors and pressuring
    state officials.

    Much less storming the US Capitol......

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fred Barchetta@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed Apr 30 08:17:08 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/29/2025 7:58 PM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 29/4/25 13:01, max headroom wrote:
    Second is that since the point of these loan programs is an
    investment in
    the future which also benefits society & the economy, it also should
    be at
    discounted interest rates.
    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    When I attended CSU is about $100/semester and $100/books.

    Pat Brown set up CSC with the understanding educate Californians would probably live and work in California at higher wages, paying higher
    taxes. And then they could fund the next generation.

    For random reasons a bunch of tech companies openned in California. And
    they had a bunch of college educated eager young employees that made the companies profitable and in turn capitalised more and more profitable companies.

    Then came Reagan.


    Reagan is to blame for the People's Republic of California. Now that's a
    new one.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Wed Apr 30 11:15:18 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/29/25 12:40, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <621986683.767624098.043394.recscuba_google- huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still owed.... >>>>>
    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the student >>>> made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original loan, but it >>>> was all applied to the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 >>>> years of payments, the student still owes more than he borrowed.

    ===========
    Student loan payments were paused in 2020 in response to the pandemic ? >>>> but by 2021, almost two out of every three student loan borrowers who
    made voluntary payments during the COVID-19 payment pause ended up owing >>>> a larger balance than they originally did, according to a report from the >>>> National Consumer Law Center and the Center for Responsible Lending.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-student-loan-borrowers-owe-
    120118581.html

    Maybe he should read the small print next time.


    I ended up doing that on mine..and found that it wasn?t a simple interest
    loan.

    -hh

    Did you sign it anyway?

    Yes, and in retrospect, it was a relatively cheap lesson learned. I was
    able to subsequently revise its term to have a faster payoff schedule
    without penalties. Had I not done so, I could have paid it off faster
    but the penalty was that I would have had to have paid all of the
    interest for the original drawn-out term (hence, why it wasn't a simple interest loan) despite the shorter term. In effect, pure profit for the
    bank in the form of "prepayment penalties".

    To notionally illustrate, take $10K at 8% for 5 years: it's $202.76/mo,
    for a total of $12,165.84 ($10K in principle + $2,165.84 in interest).
    But because not a simple interest, the cost of an immediate payoff isn't
    $10K, but is still the same total of $12,165.84


    -hh

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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 30 08:54:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vus234$3a407$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vur69f$2d8hd$3@dont-
    email.me:

    On 29/4/25 3:56, Governor Swill wrote:
    No, you can thank a Democratic Judge for
    allowing student loan bankruptcies.
    He's right, you know. The Dems had the power to keep that in but they
    didn't.


    Dems are also corporate whores. Green Party is not significant
    enough to be tempted.


    You need to be practical in order to save our democracy.

    That must be why you guys lost.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Creon@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Apr 30 15:39:03 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 11:15:18 -0400, -hh wrote:

    On 4/29/25 12:40, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <621986683.767624098.043394.recscuba_google-
    huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the
    principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes
    more than he borrowed.

    ===========
    Student loan payments were paused in 2020 in response to the
    pandemic ? but by 2021, almost two out of every three student loan
    borrowers who made voluntary payments during the COVID-19 payment
    pause ended up owing a larger balance than they originally did,
    according to a report from the National Consumer Law Center and the
    Center for Responsible Lending.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/many-student-loan-borrowers-owe-
    120118581.html

    Maybe he should read the small print next time.


    I ended up doing that on mine..and found that it wasn?t a simple
    interest loan.

    -hh

    Did you sign it anyway?

    Yes, and in retrospect, it was a relatively cheap lesson learned. I was
    able to subsequently revise its term to have a faster payoff schedule without penalties. Had I not done so, I could have paid it off faster
    but the penalty was that I would have had to have paid all of the
    interest for the original drawn-out term (hence, why it wasn't a simple interest loan) despite the shorter term. In effect, pure profit for the
    bank in the form of "prepayment penalties".

    To notionally illustrate, take $10K at 8% for 5 years: it's $202.76/mo,
    for a total of $12,165.84 ($10K in principle + $2,165.84 in interest).
    But because not a simple interest, the cost of an immediate payoff isn't $10K, but is still the same total of $12,165.84


    -hh

    Careful, you'll confuse him.

    --
    -c System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
    OS: Linux 6.14.4 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
    "I would have made a good Pope. -Richard Nixon"

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to max headroom on Wed Apr 30 11:19:01 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/29/25 16:01, max headroom wrote:
    In news:631108688.767623871.742211.recscuba_google-huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org, -
    hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> typed:

    max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    ...

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    But they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest," had they?

    No, but that's a poor way to look at the question for two reasons.

    First is that since it is a debt that is much harder to discharge...

    Why is that?

    Because that's how Congress wrote the laws.

    Supposedly, some savvy students figured out to take out loans then
    declare bankruptcy before landing a post-graduation job, and the banks complained.


    ... the interest rate should be vastly lower than what has been charged.

    Second is that since the point of these loan programs is an investment in
    the future which also benefits society & the economy, it also should be at >> discounted interest rates.

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    Pretty much all commerce benefits society, in one way or another.
    Of course, that observation doesn't exclude exploitation.


    -hh

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 2 09:09:57 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:ojk21k9ns3ui4nudnfqonvfo40mpjenqki@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:01:16 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    Everything exists to benefit society.

    Really? Including rabies, hurricanes, child trafficing, and the Colorado Rockies?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 3 10:21:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the principle
    -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than
    he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you fucking moron. That's the nature of loans made with interest due. Every mortgage holder who has paid off the mortgage has paid more than they borrowed.

    If you borrow $100 from a friend and he charges you 10% simple interest calculated monthly, and in exactly one month you repay him $110, you have paid more than you borrowed. That's how it fucking *works*, Bugster.

    What you're pissing and moaning about is that someone has cumulatively paid more
    than she borrowed, but now the outstanding balance on the loan exceeds the amount she originally borrowed. That's because she *wasn't fucking paying enough* in each payment to reduce the principal. That's her fucking fault, Bugster.

    This has already been explained to you in the context of credit cards, Bugster. You have a credit card account with a large balance, and the bank sends you a statement with a minimum payment due amount of $35. But the interest on the balance for that month was, say, $70. If you make a payment of $35, you're only paying half the interest for the month. The other $35 is added to your account balance. On your next statement, the minimum payment amount will again be $35, but the interest for the month will be *more* than $70, because the balance grew. If you keep doing this month after month, your balance is going to continue to grow, and eventually the sum of your $35 payments will exceed the original balance. Is there anything "unfair" about this? Absolutely *not*. You did it to yourself.

    That's what happened with that student loan borrower. She wasn't paying enough each month on the loan. It's her own fucking fault, Bugster, you fucking dope.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat May 3 10:21:25 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/2/2025 9:09 AM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:ojk21k9ns3ui4nudnfqonvfo40mpjenqki@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:01:16 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    Everything exists to benefit society.

    Really? Including rabies, hurricanes, child trafficing, and the Colorado Rockies?

    Fuck off, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his
    mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch). You know he meant every human-created institution in a liberal democracy like ours — yes, the U.S. *is* a democracy —
    exist to benefit society: banks, fire departments, libraries, and even the Colorado Rockies, even if they do a shitty job of it.

    Just fuck off, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch), you tendentious quibbling trolling
    cocksucker.

    --
    I *always* get the better of oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 3 11:25:07 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:qgsRP.86317$s5Kd.21244@fx14.iad, Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> typed:

    On 5/2/2025 9:09 AM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:ojk21k9ns3ui4nudnfqonvfo40mpjenqki@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:01:16 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    Everything exists to benefit society.

    Really? Including rabies, hurricanes, child trafficing, and the Colorado
    Rockies?

    Fuck off, Your Grace. You know he meant every human-created institution in a liberal democracy like ours - yes, the U.S. *is* a democracy -...

    It's better than that-- it's a republic.

    ... exist to benefit society: banks, fire departments, libraries, and even the
    Colorado Rockies, even if they do a shitty job of it.

    Including La Cosa Nostra, Yakuza, MS13, triads, Tren de Aragua, Red Brigades, antifa, Bloods, Crips, &c., &c.?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Freddy Fink@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 3 11:46:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/3/2025 10:21 AM, Lou Bricano wrote:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the principle
    -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes more than
    he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron. That's the nature of loans made with interest due. Every mortgage holder who has paid off the mortgage has paid more than they borrowed.

    If you borrow $100 from a friend and he charges you 10% simple interest calculated monthly, and in exactly one month you repay him $110, you
    have paid more than you borrowed. That's how it fucking *works*, Bugster.

    What you're pissing and moaning about is that someone has cumulatively
    paid more than she borrowed, but now the outstanding balance on the loan exceeds the amount she originally borrowed. That's because she *wasn't fucking paying enough* in each payment to reduce the principal. That's
    her fucking fault, Bugster.

    This has already been explained to you in the context of credit cards, Bugster. You have a credit card account with a large balance, and the
    bank sends you a statement with a minimum payment due amount of $35. But
    the interest on the balance for that month was, say, $70. If you make a payment of $35, you're only paying half the interest for the month. The
    other $35 is added to your account balance. On your next statement, the minimum payment amount will again be $35, but the interest for the month
    will be *more* than $70, because the balance grew. If you keep doing
    this month after month, your balance is going to continue to grow, and eventually the sum of your $35 payments will exceed the original
    balance. Is there anything "unfair" about this? Absolutely *not*. You
    did it to yourself.

    That's what happened with that student loan borrower. She wasn't paying enough each month on the loan. It's her own fucking fault, Bugster, you fucking dope.

    Now there's a stunner. You actually made sense for once.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 3 14:58:17 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:qgsRP.86317$s5Kd.21244@fx14.iad, Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote* (
    not "typed"):

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:
    In news:ojk21k9ns3ui4nudnfqonvfo40mpjenqki@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:01:16 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    Everything exists to benefit society.

    Really? Including rabies, hurricanes, child trafficing [sic], and the Colorado
    Rockies?

    Fuck off, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his
    mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch). You know he meant every human-created >> institution in a liberal democracy like ours — yes, the U.S. *is* a democracy —
    exist to benefit society: banks, fire departments, libraries, and even the >> Colorado Rockies, even if they do a shitty job of it.

    It's better than that-- it's

    It's a democracy, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch), as all educated people understand the word.

    ... exist to benefit society: banks, fire departments, libraries, and even the
    Colorado Rockies, even if they do a shitty job of it.

    Including

    fire departments, libraries, banks and the Colorado Rockies. Yes, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch).

    --
    I *always* get the better of oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 3 22:35:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:

    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the
    principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes
    more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can NEVER
    pay them off.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 3 19:15:09 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:_jwRP.53714$0jW7.29221@fx09.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> typed:

    On every date, Max the Magnificent typed:
    In news:qgsRP.86317$s5Kd.21244@fx14.iad, "Cunt Flaps"Canoza typed:
    On every date, Max the Magnificent typed:
    In news:ojk21k9ns3ui4nudnfqonvfo40mpjenqki@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:01:16 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    Everything exists to benefit society.

    Really? Including rabies, hurricanes, child trafficing [sic], and the
    Colorado Rockies?

    Fuck off, Your Grace. You know he meant every human-created
    institution in a liberal democracy like ours - yes, the U.S. *is* a
    democracy -

    It's better than that-- it's a republic.

    It's a democracy, Master, as all educated people understand the word.

    ... exist to benefit society: banks, fire departments, libraries, and even >>> the Colorado Rockies, even if they do a shitty job of it.

    Including La Cosa Nostra, Yakuza, MS13, triads, Tren de Aragua, Red Brigades,
    antifa, Bloods, Crips, &c., &c.?



    [crickets]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 3 19:16:39 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the
    principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes
    more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can NEVER
    pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 3 19:58:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/3/2025 3:35 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:

    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the original
    loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to the
    principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student still owes
    more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can NEVER
    pay them off.

    No, that's bullshit, Bugster. It's no different than a mortgage, Bugster. If you
    pay the monthly mortgage payment amount prescribed by your lender, you *will* pay off the mortgage in its term. If your mortgage payment amount due is, say, $1875, and you pay an additional $25 and pay $1900, you'll pay the mortgage off *even earlier*.

    I'm going to restore the part you unethically snipped, Bugster, which shows you don't understand a *fucking thing* about interest-accruing loans, and give you another chance to prove your ignorance:

    [restore]
    Every mortgage holder who has paid off the mortgage has paid more than they borrowed.

    Every single one, Bugster, you clueless fat fuck.


    If you borrow $100 from a friend and he charges you 10% simple interest
    calculated monthly, and in exactly one month you repay him $110, you have paid
    more than you borrowed. That's how it fucking *works*, Bugster.

    Well, Bugster?


    What you're pissing and moaning about is that someone has cumulatively paid more
    than she borrowed, but now the outstanding balance on the loan exceeds the >> amount she originally borrowed. That's because she *wasn't fucking paying
    enough* in each payment to reduce the principal. That's her fucking fault, Bugster.

    *Well*, Bugster? If the stupid whore had paid *more*, rather than less, than the
    monthly interest, with the additional amount being applied to principal, then she would now *not* owe more than the amount she borrowed.

    Why don't you just admit you have no *fucking* clue how lending and repayment works, Bugster, you stupid fucking bonehead?


    This has already been explained to you in the context of credit cards, Bugster.
    You have a credit card account with a large balance, and the bank sends you a
    statement with a minimum payment due amount of $35. But the interest on the >> balance for that month was, say, $70. If you make a payment of $35, you're only
    paying half the interest for the month. The other $35 is added to your account
    balance. On your next statement, the minimum payment amount will again be $35,
    but the interest for the month will be *more* than $70, because the balance >> grew. If you keep doing this month after month, your balance is going to
    continue to grow, and eventually the sum of your $35 payments will exceed the
    original balance. Is there anything "unfair" about this? Absolutely *not*. You
    did it to yourself.

    *Well*, Bugster?


    That's what happened with that student loan borrower. She wasn't paying enough
    each month on the loan. It's her own fucking fault, Bugster, you fucking dope.

    You're just a fucking clueless dope, Bugster, and I'll bet you had to *give* all
    that yarn away.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sun May 4 03:25:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to
    the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student
    still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly reasonable,
    and then many evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 4 03:32:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:SJARP.87832$s5Kd.1609@fx14.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 3:35 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:

    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to
    the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student
    still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    No, that's bullshit, Bugster. It's no different than a mortgage,

    You mean like the Subprime Mortages crisis that almost brought the
    economy down?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 4 10:16:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vv6mnu$138d4$3@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with >>>>>>>> interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to >>>>>>> the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student
    still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that?...

    Maybe ten years ago.

    ... Those student loans started out fairly reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.

    That's because they're mostly public school kids.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 4 13:25:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/3/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:SJARP.87832$s5Kd.1609@fx14.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 3:35 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:

    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle [sic]

    *principal*, you stupid lying commie cocksucker.

    with interest, and still owed....

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie cocksucker, that's the whole problem: they did *not* pay any of the *principal* (not "principle," you stupid illiterate lying commie cocksucker), and they didn't even pay all the interest — that's why
    the amount owing exceeds the original amount borrowed. In many cases the deadbeats weren't paying anything *at all*. When student loans were in forbearance, they weren't paying anything, but interest was still accruing.


    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with >>>>>>>> interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan,

    That's a lie, Bugster. The federal takeover of student lending didn't occur until 2010, Bugster — it was a reconciliation rider attached to the Affordable
    Care Act, of all fucking things. No one has been repaying a federal student loan
    for 20 years, Bugster. Anyone who has been repaying a student loan for more than
    15 years was repaying a commercial student loan.

    You still just don't understand how interest works, Bugster, and you likely never will. If you take out an ordinary fixed interest (5%) 30 year mortgage, Bugster, and you pay it off — which, being a fucking deadbeat, you could never
    do — you will pay more than *double* the amount borrowed.

    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and a 5% interest
    rate, the total amount paid would be approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie cocksucker.

    but it was all applied to the interest and not to
    the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student
    still owes more than he borrowed....

    The student did *not* pay all the interest, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie cocksucker and finance-illiterate.


    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    Which is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie cocksucker and finance-illiterate.


    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    No, that's bullshit, Bugster. It's no different than a mortgage,

    You mean like

    I mean like any mortgage, or any other loan, that follows a normal amortization schedule, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie cocksucker and finance-illiterate.

    Why do you keep snipping the stuff that proves you to be a liar, Bugster?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to H Karlsen on Sun May 4 13:26:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on student
    loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt collector.

    It's their own fucking fault. They borrowed huge sums of money without giving enough thought to how they were going to repay it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 4 13:26:08 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:_jwRP.53714$0jW7.29221@fx09.iad, Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote* (
    not "typed"):

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:qgsRP.86317$s5Kd.21244@fx14.iad, Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote* (
    not "typed"):
    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:ojk21k9ns3ui4nudnfqonvfo40mpjenqki@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and *failed* — to bullshit:


    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    They do.


    Everything exists to benefit society.

    Really? Including rabies, hurricanes, child trafficing [sic], and the >>>>> Colorado Rockies?

    Fuck off, Your Grace. You know he meant every human-created
    institution in a liberal democracy like ours - yes, the U.S. *is* a
    democracy -

    It's better than that-- it's a republic.

    It's a democracy, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch), as all educated people understand the word.

    ... exist to benefit society: banks, fire departments, libraries, and even >>>> the Colorado Rockies, even if they do a shitty job of it.

    Including

    including banks, fire departments, libraries, and even the Colorado Rockies, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch), even if the Rockies do a bad job of it.

    --
    I *always* get the better of oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 4 20:34:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and a
    5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be approximately
    $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This translates to
    a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30
    years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work? Why was their a subprime loan
    crisis?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sun May 4 20:32:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vv87fl$2epmg$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv6mnu$138d4$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle,
    with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the >>>>>>>> student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not
    to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student >>>>>>>> still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that?...

    Maybe ten years ago.

    ... Those student loans started out fairly reasonable, and then many
    evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and
    sophistication/education of the borrower.

    That's because they're mostly public school kids.

    Conservaturds hate public schools, and have been trying for decades to
    turn them into propaganda mills instead of teaching critical thinking and useful skills and knowledge.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 4 20:36:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:v3QRP.2331$rkV6.203@fx46.iad:

    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on
    student loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt
    collector.

    It's their own fucking fault. They borrowed huge sums of money without
    giving enough thought to how they were going to repay it.


    Conservaturds love to blame the victim - never mind those predatory loan
    sharks knew up front that the borrowers didn't have a credit history nor
    the means to actually pay it back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 4 15:10:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and a
    5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be approximately
    $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This translates to
    a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30
    years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie
    cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is, Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked. I would explain it to you, but
    being a sleazy dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it is *normal* for
    the sum of total payments made on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then don't take out the loan.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 4 15:14:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, with >>>>>>>> interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not to >>>>>>> the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student
    still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, you
    fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly reasonable,
    and then many evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of Education). That program came
    into being as part of the Affordable Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama administration. Are you saying Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you are just too stupid for words.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 4 16:06:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/4/2025 1:36 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:v3QRP.2331$rkV6.203@fx46.iad:

    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on
    student loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt
    collector.

    It's their own fucking fault. They borrowed huge sums of money without
    giving enough thought to how they were going to repay it.


    Conservaturds love to blame the victim

    They are not "victims" of anything but their own stupidity.

    never mind those predatory loan sharks

    Obama and the Department of Education are "predatory loan sharks"? These loans are *all* federal loans, Bugster, you incompetent stupid lying commie cocksucker.

    knew up front that the borrowers didn't
    have a credit history nor the means to actually pay it back.
    Getting a university degree was supposed to *provide them* with the means to pay
    the loans back, Bugster, you stupid incompetent lying commie cocksucker.

    Face the facts, Bugster, you stupid incompetent lying commie cocksucker: you're just a goddamned fucking commie who thinks people shouldn't have to pay for anything.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 4 17:00:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vv8j4e$2otog$4@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:v3QRP.2331$rkV6.203@fx46.iad:
    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:

    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on
    student loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt
    collector.

    It's their own fucking fault. They borrowed huge sums of money without
    giving enough thought to how they were going to repay it.

    Conservaturds love to blame the victim - never mind those predatory loan sharks knew up front that the borrowers didn't have a credit history nor
    the means to actually pay it back.

    There are no regulations regarding student loans, right?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 4 17:10:54 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.education, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:B3QRP.2332$rkV6.1617@fx46.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> typed:

    On every date, Max the Magnificent typed:
    In news:_jwRP.53714$0jW7.29221@fx09.iad, "Cunt Flaps"Canoza typed:
    On every date, Max the Magnificent typed:
    In news:qgsRP.86317$s5Kd.21244@fx14.iad, "Cunt Flaps"Canoza typed:
    On every date, Max the Magnificent typed:
    In news:ojk21k9ns3ui4nudnfqonvfo40mpjenqki@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On every date, Max the Magnificent typed:

    Banks don't exist to benefit society.

    They do.

    Nope.

    Everything exists to benefit society.

    Really? Including rabies, hurricanes, child trafficing [sic], and the >>>>>> Colorado Rockies?

    Fuck off, Your Grace. You know he meant every human-created
    institution in a liberal democracy like ours - yes, the U.S. *is* a
    democracy -

    It's better than that-- it's a republic.

    It's a democracy, Master, as all educated people understand the word.

    ... exist to benefit society: banks, fire departments, libraries, and even
    the Colorado Rockies, even if they do a shitty job of it.

    Including La Cosa Nostra, Yakuza, MS13, triads, Tren de Aragua, Red
    Brigades, antifa, Bloods, Crips, &c., &c.?



    [crickets]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 5 00:16:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and a
    5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be approximately
    $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This translates
    to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over
    30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie
    cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is, Bugster, so
    you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked. I would explain
    it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying commie shitbag, you
    would just snip the explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck
    off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it is
    *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then
    don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 5 00:30:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle,
    with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the >>>>>>>> student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not
    to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student >>>>>>>> still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of Education). That
    program came into being as part of the Affordable Care Act, the
    signature achievement of the Obama administration. Are you saying
    Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan before
    accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you are just too
    stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government to
    forgive that loan. Government is supposed to support education anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 4 17:49:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the >>>>>>>>> student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not >>>>>>>>> to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student >>>>>>>>> still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>> still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the federal
    government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of Education). That
    program came into being as part of the Affordable Care Act, the
    signature achievement of the Obama administration. Are you saying
    Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with deceptive scam loans,
    Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan before
    accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you are just too
    stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 4 17:51:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and a
    5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be approximately
    $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This translates
    to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over
    30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie
    cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is, Bugster, so
    you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked. I would explain
    it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying commie shitbag, you
    would just snip the explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck
    off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it is
    *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term loan to be
    *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how interest *fucking
    works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then
    don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount originally borrowed, and there just isn't — you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they didn't understand the terms of
    the loans, or if they borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees that were not
    going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on the real world.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 4 18:55:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vv8isb$2otog$2@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vv87fl$2epmg$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv6mnu$138d4$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the >>>>>>>>> student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not >>>>>>>>> to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student >>>>>>>>> still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>> still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that?...

    Maybe ten years ago.

    ... Those student loans started out fairly reasonable, and then many
    evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and
    sophistication/education of the borrower.

    That's because they're mostly public school kids.

    Conservaturds hate public schools, and have been trying for decades to
    turn them into propaganda mills...

    The pinkies beat them to it.

    ...instead of teaching critical thinking and useful skills and knowledge.

    Wouldn't that be nice?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 5 03:32:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - >>>>>>>>>> the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than >>>>>>>>>> the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and >>>>>>>>>> not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the >>>>>>>>>> student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest,
    and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they
    can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the Affordable
    Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama administration. Are
    you saying Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with deceptive
    scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan before
    accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you are just
    too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government
    to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your money.
    You pay a plumber for fixing your sink, that's his money now, You send
    our tax money to the government, it's government money. Now with the government, you do get some say, but at the end of the day it's not your decision,

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 5 03:35:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and
    a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be approximately
    $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This
    translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360
    payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie
    cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is, Bugster,
    so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked. I would
    explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying commie
    shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change the topic.
    So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it is
    *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term loan to
    be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how interest
    *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like
    it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away, but
    we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or "unfair"
    with a person paying back more than double the amount originally
    borrowed, and there just isn't — you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken advantage
    of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they didn't
    understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed tens of
    thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to high-paying
    jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on the
    real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would argue that
    a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student loans were a
    gamble

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 11:52:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vv8j4e$2otog$4@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:v3QRP.2331$rkV6.203@fx46.iad:

    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon ? Millions of people who've fallen behind on
    student loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt
    collector.

    It's their own fucking fault. They borrowed huge sums of money without giving enough thought to how they were going to repay it.


    Conservaturds love to blame the victim - never mind those predatory loan sharks knew up front that the borrowers didn't have a credit history nor
    the means to actually pay it back.

    Then they shouldn't have even applied for it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 11:53:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vv8isb$2otog$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vv87fl$2epmg$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv6mnu$138d4$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the >>>>>>>> student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not >>>>>>>> to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student >>>>>>>> still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>> still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that?...

    Maybe ten years ago.

    ... Those student loans started out fairly reasonable, and then many
    evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and
    sophistication/education of the borrower.

    That's because they're mostly public school kids.

    Conservaturds hate public schools, and have been trying for decades to
    turn them into propaganda mills instead of teaching critical thinking and useful skills and knowledge.

    Like tranny story time?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 11:56:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vv90qj$354q5$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - the >>>>>>>> student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not >>>>>>>> to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the student >>>>>>>> still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>> still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of Education). That
    program came into being as part of the Affordable Care Act, the
    signature achievement of the Obama administration. Are you saying
    Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government to forgive that loan. Government is supposed to support education anyway.

    That's not how it works. You borrow, you pay back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 11:58:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and >>>>> a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be approximately
    $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This
    translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360
    payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie >>>>> cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is, Bugster,
    so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked. I would
    explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying commie
    shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change the topic.
    So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it is
    *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term loan to
    be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how interest
    *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like
    it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away, but
    we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or "unfair"
    with a person paying back more than double the amount originally
    borrowed, and there just isn't ? you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken advantage
    of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they didn't
    understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed tens of
    thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on the
    real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would argue that
    a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student loans were a
    gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 5 11:30:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - >>>>>>>>>>> the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than >>>>>>>>>>> the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and >>>>>>>>>>> not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the >>>>>>>>>>> student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, >>>>>>>>>> and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, >>>>>>>> you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they
    can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the Affordable
    Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama administration. Are
    you saying Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with deceptive
    scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan before
    accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you are just
    too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government
    to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent* to the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 5 11:31:09 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/4/2025 8:35 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term and >>>>>> a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be approximately
    $610,228.39, including both principal and interest. This
    translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360
    payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap commie >>>>>> cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is, Bugster,
    so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked. I would
    explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying commie
    shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change the topic.
    So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it is
    *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term loan to
    be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how interest
    *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like
    it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away, but
    we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or "unfair"
    with a person paying back more than double the amount originally
    borrowed, and there just isn't — you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken advantage
    of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they didn't
    understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed tens of
    thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to high-paying
    jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on the
    real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble

    A gamble by the fucking deadbeat pretend students, you mean. And they bet wrong.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Mon May 5 20:14:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282a919be5908a698a0d9@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv8isb$2otog$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv87fl$2epmg$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv6mnu$138d4$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle,
    with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in -
    the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than
    the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest
    and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments,
    the student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest,
    and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they
    can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that?...

    Maybe ten years ago.

    ... Those student loans started out fairly reasonable, and then
    many evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and
    sophistication/education of the borrower.

    That's because they're mostly public school kids.

    Conservaturds hate public schools, and have been trying for decades
    to turn them into propaganda mills instead of teaching critical
    thinking and useful skills and knowledge.

    Like tranny story time?


    Drag queens are not tranny. Drag queens to promote fun in reading.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Mon May 5 20:18:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap
    commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying
    commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change
    the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term
    loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how
    interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away,
    but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or
    "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't ? you're just fucking
    wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on
    the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 5 20:21:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - >>>>>>>>>>>> the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than >>>>>>>>>>>> the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest >>>>>>>>>>>> and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, >>>>>>>>>>>> the student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, >>>>>>>>>>> and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms,
    Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they >>>>>>>> can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the Affordable
    Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama administration.
    Are you saying Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with
    deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan
    before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you
    are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government
    to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent* to
    the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The
    government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours. If
    they loan it out, any repayment comes to the government (General Fund?)
    and not to you. If the government decides to forgive the interest or even
    the principle that is up to the government.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Mon May 5 20:16:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282a9a59ba45c9f98a0da@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv90qj$354q5$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and still
    owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle,
    with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in -
    the
    student made payments for 20 years totalling more than the
    original loan, but it was all applied to the interest and not
    to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, the
    student
    still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest,
    and
    still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they
    can
    NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal
    government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of Education). That
    program came into being as part of the Affordable Care Act, the
    signature achievement of the Obama administration. Are you saying
    Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with deceptive scam
    loans,
    Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan before
    accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you are just
    too
    stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government to
    forgive that loan. Government is supposed to support education
    anyway.

    That's not how it works. You borrow, you pay back.


    Why didn't they pay back the PPP loans? Why aren't you yelling about
    them not paying back PPP loans - after all, students don't have the
    money, but those deadbeat businesses did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 14:50:22 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvb66t$18l06$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282a919be5908a698a0d9@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv8isb$2otog$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv87fl$2epmg$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv6mnu$138d4$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle,
    with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in -
    the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than
    the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest
    and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments,
    the student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest,
    and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster,
    you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they
    can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that?...

    Maybe ten years ago.

    ... Those student loans started out fairly reasonable, and then
    many evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and
    sophistication/education of the borrower.

    That's because they're mostly public school kids.

    Conservaturds hate public schools, and have been trying for decades
    to turn them into propaganda mills instead of teaching critical
    thinking and useful skills and knowledge.

    Like tranny story time?


    Drag queens are not tranny. Drag queens to promote fun in reading.

    Sick fucks.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 14:51:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap
    commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying
    commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change
    the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term
    loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how
    interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away,
    but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or
    "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't ?? you're just fucking
    wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on
    the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 14:52:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvb6l6$18l06$4@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - >>>>>>>>>>>> the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than >>>>>>>>>>>> the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest >>>>>>>>>>>> and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, >>>>>>>>>>>> the student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, >>>>>>>>>>> and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms,
    Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they >>>>>>>> can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the Affordable >>>>> Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama administration.
    Are you saying Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with
    deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan
    before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you
    are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government
    to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent* to
    the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The
    government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours. If
    they loan it out, any repayment comes to the government (General Fund?)
    and not to you. If the government decides to forgive the interest or even
    the principle that is up to the government.

    Then what is a tax return?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 5 14:53:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08 and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap
    commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying
    commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change
    the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term
    loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how
    interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away,
    but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or
    "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't ?? you're just fucking
    wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on
    the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 5 17:38:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Baxter wrote:
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282a919be5908a698a0d9@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv8isb$2otog$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv87fl$2epmg$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv6mnu$138d4$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - >>>>>>>>>>> the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than >>>>>>>>>>> the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest >>>>>>>>>>> and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, >>>>>>>>>>> the student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, >>>>>>>>>> and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, Bugster, >>>>>>>> you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they
    can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that?...

    Maybe ten years ago.

    ... Those student loans started out fairly reasonable, and then
    many evolved into scams - depending on the resorces/advice and
    sophistication/education of the borrower.

    That's because they're mostly public school kids.

    Conservaturds hate public schools, and have been trying for decades
    to turn them into propaganda mills instead of teaching critical
    thinking and useful skills and knowledge.

    Like tranny story time?


    Drag queens are not tranny. Drag queens to promote fun in reading.


    And swap head with.
    --
    <poster formerly known as Jonathan Ball>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 5 14:41:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/5/2025 1:21 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the principle, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in - >>>>>>>>>>>>> the student made payments for 20 years totalling more than >>>>>>>>>>>>> the original loan, but it was all applied to the interest >>>>>>>>>>>>> and not to the principle -- and after 20 years of payments, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the student still owes more than he borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with interest, >>>>>>>>>>>> and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms,
    Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so they >>>>>>>>> can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the Affordable >>>>>> Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama administration.
    Are you saying Obama set out to swindle student borrowers with
    deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan
    before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you
    are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the government
    to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent* to
    the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The
    government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours.

    Then why do I get tax refunds every year, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag.

    Massive loan forgiveness is bad policy. A little bit of targeted forgiveness for
    narrowly defined groups would maybe be okay. But you, a goddamned fucking commie, just want college to be "free," and you want *all* loans forgiven. Well,
    fuck you, Bugster Bitch, you're not going to get that. And you *still* are too fucking stupid to understand how someone could have been paying on a loan for a long time and now owe more than the amount borrowed, and there is *nothing* unethical or "unfair" or "scam" about it. It's the borrowers' own fucking fault.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 5 14:54:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/5/25 13:21, Baxter wrote:
    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours. If
    they loan it out, any repayment comes to the government (General Fund?)
    and not to you. If the government decides to forgive the interest or even
    the principle that is up to the government.

    We get things like oil depletion allowance because oil
    exploitation is considerred a public good, so the government
    gives them money for public good.

    I believe college education is in the public good, so we should
    find ways to encourage it. If you do not think it is a public
    good, we take our argument to the legislatures to compromise out
    a policy.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 6 03:14:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap
    commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying
    commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change
    the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term
    loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how
    interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away,
    but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or
    "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't ?? you're just fucking
    wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on
    the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 6 03:17:39 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:DgaSP.22130$eAtc.19002@fx05.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 1:21 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the
    principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the student made payments for 20 years totalling more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the original loan, but it was all applied to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 years >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of payments, the student still owes more than he
    borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms,
    Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so
    they can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the >>>>>>>> resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the
    Affordable Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama
    administration. Are you saying Obama set out to swindle student
    borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan
    before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you
    are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the
    government to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent*
    to the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The
    government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours.

    Then why do I get tax refunds every year, Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag.

    Your tax refund has nothing to do with any loans or spending by the
    government.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 6 03:15:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d30cbb1cf6098a0e7@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments
    for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would
    be approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of
    $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked. I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy
    dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just snip the
    explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck off on
    that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag, it is *normal* for the sum of total payments made
    on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the
    original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then
    don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run
    away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking
    stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works,
    Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's
    something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more
    than double the amount originally borrowed, and there just
    isn't ?? you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    they didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they
    borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees that were not
    going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to
    be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never*
    have a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano"
    would argue that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino.
    Those student loans were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school
    too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.


    Not always.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 6 09:38:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/5/2025 8:15 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d30cbb1cf6098a0e7@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments >>>>>>>>>>> for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year >>>>>>>>>>> term and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would >>>>>>>>>>> be approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and >>>>>>>>>>> interest. This translates to a monthly payment of
    $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked. I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy
    dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just snip the
    explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck off on
    that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag, it is *normal* for the sum of total payments made
    on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the
    original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then
    don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run
    away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking
    stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works,
    Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's
    something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more
    than double the amount originally borrowed, and there just
    isn't ā?? you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    they didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they
    borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees that were not
    going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to
    be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never*
    have a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano"
    would argue that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino.
    Those student loans were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school
    too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.


    Not always.
    Nearly always, Bugster — and a hell of a lot more likely than with a fine arts
    degree.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 6 09:35:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/5/2025 8:17 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:DgaSP.22130$eAtc.19002@fx05.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 1:21 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the student made payments for 20 years totalling more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the original loan, but it was all applied to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 years >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of payments, the student still owes more than he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, >>>>>>>>>>>> Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so >>>>>>>>>>> they can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on the >>>>>>>>> resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower. >>>>>>>> Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the >>>>>>>> federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the
    Affordable Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama
    administration. Are you saying Obama set out to swindle student >>>>>>>> borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan
    before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, you >>>>>>>> are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the
    government to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent*
    to the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The
    government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours.

    Then why do I get tax refunds every year, Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag.

    Your tax refund

    You said once the tax has been collected, Bugster, the money belongs to the government. So why do they refund some of it to me, Bugster, you cheap commie cocksucking liar?

    You're running away from your ass beating, Bugster, you cheap commie cocksucking
    liar, and I don't blame you. You can't defend your *lie* that student loan borrowers are being "scammed." They are *not* being scammed, you cheap commie cocksucking liar. They are chiselers and deadbeats. They borrowed money with their eyes wide open, and now they're trying to *chisel* on paying it back. They're crooks, just like you, Bugster, you cheap commie cocksucking liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 6 09:45:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/5/2025 8:14 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap >>>>>>>>>> commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying
    commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change >>>>>>>> the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term
    loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how >>>>>>>> interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away,
    but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or
    "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't ā?? you're just fucking >>>>>> wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on
    the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    No, Bugster, you goddamned fucking commie liar — with a combination of earnings
    from employment, parental contributions, and — yes! — student loans. Most trade
    schools cost far less than public universities, and the programs aren't as long,
    so the total cost of attending one is much less.

    But you're a goddamned fucking commie who believes all schooling should be "free" to the student, which it never will be, so you'll just keep pissing and moaning for the short time you have remaining. You're eight-fucking-four years old, Bugster, so you've already surpassed the life expectancy for American men. You ought to try to use whatever time you have left more productively. It can't be very satisfying to keep getting your ass kicked in Usenet.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 6 11:39:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvbure$21thc$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap
    commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying
    commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change
    the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term
    loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how
    interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away,
    but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or
    "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't ?? you're just fucking
    wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on
    the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    It beats the tons of money an Ivy League shithole wants.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 6 11:40:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvbuss$21thc$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d30cbb1cf6098a0e7@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments
    for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would
    be approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of
    $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked. I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy
    dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just snip the
    explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck off on
    that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag, it is *normal* for the sum of total payments made
    on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the
    original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then
    don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run
    away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking
    stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works,
    Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's
    something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more
    than double the amount originally borrowed, and there just
    isn't ?? you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    they didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they
    borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees that were not
    going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to
    be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never*
    have a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano"
    would argue that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino.
    Those student loans were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school
    too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.


    Not always.

    Trades are always needed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to H Karlsen on Tue May 6 13:13:44 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on student
    loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt collector.

    Nothing wrong with that. It happens for all kinds of other debt as well.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony Albanese@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 6 13:19:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/6/2025 9:45 AM, Lou Bricano wrote:
    On 5/5/2025 8:14 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap >>>>>>>>>>> commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying >>>>>>>>> commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change >>>>>>>>> the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term >>>>>>>>> loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how >>>>>>>>> interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away, >>>>>>> but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or >>>>>>> "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't ā?? you're just fucking >>>>>>> wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a >>>>>>> stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on >>>>>>> the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit >>>>>> history, and no guarantees of employment.  "Lou Bricano" would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    No, Bugster, you goddamned fucking commie liar — with a combination of earnings from employment, parental contributions, and — yes! — student loans. Most trade schools cost far less than public universities, and
    the programs aren't as long, so the total cost of attending one is much
    less.

    Plumbers are charging $200+ per hour, can afford boats and play golf.
    They got money to burn.

    But you're a goddamned fucking commie who believes all schooling should
    be "free" to the student, which it never will be, so you'll just keep
    pissing and moaning for the short time you have remaining. You're eight-fucking-four years old, Bugster, so you've already surpassed the
    life expectancy for American men. You ought to try to use whatever time
    you have left more productively. It can't be very satisfying to keep
    getting your ass kicked in Usenet.

    Didn't he sell some kind of electronic gizmo and make buckets of cash?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 6 20:38:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:ITqSP.1632$FHNb.285@fx40.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 8:17 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:DgaSP.22130$eAtc.19002@fx05.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 1:21 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in - the student made payments for 20 years totalling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than the original loan, but it was all applied to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years of payments, the student still owes more than he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest, and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so >>>>>>>>>>>> they can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly >>>>>>>>>> reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on >>>>>>>>>> the resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the
    borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the >>>>>>>>> federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the
    Affordable Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama
    administration. Are you saying Obama set out to swindle
    student borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan >>>>>>>>> before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster,
    you are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the
    government to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent*
    to the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The
    government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours.

    Then why do I get tax refunds every year, Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag.

    Your tax refund

    You said once the tax has been collected, Bugster, the money belongs
    to the government. So why do they refund some of it to me, Bugster,
    you cheap commie cocksucking liar?

    Were you born stupid? Or did you have to work at it? Perhaps you were
    dropped on your head and some of your brains leaked out?


    The reason you might get a tax refund is because your tax payment wasn't officially accepted until you filed the paperwork and they processed it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 6 20:44:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:A0rSP.29891$JRnc.20558@fx37.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 8:14 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap >>>>>>>>>>> commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying >>>>>>>>> commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change >>>>>>>>> the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term >>>>>>>>> loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's
    how interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. >>>>>>>>> If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run
    away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking
    stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works,
    Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's
    something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more than
    double the amount originally borrowed, and there just isn't ā?? >>>>>>> you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But
    a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp >>>>>>> on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano"
    would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school
    too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    No, Bugster, you goddamned fucking commie liar — with a combination
    of earnings from employment, parental contributions, and — yes! —
    student loans. Most trade schools cost far less than public
    universities, and the programs aren't as long, so the total cost of
    attending one is much less.

    But you're a goddamned fucking commie who believes all schooling
    should be "free" to the student, which it never will be, so you'll
    just keep pissing and moaning for the short time you have remaining.
    You're eight-fucking-four years old, Bugster, so you've already
    surpassed the life expectancy for American men. You ought to try to
    use whatever time you have left more productively. It can't be very satisfying to keep getting your ass kicked in Usenet.


    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are citizens
    of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer than Europe,
    so why can't the US offer free college?

    Also:
    ==========
    Europe has exceptional opportunities in higher education, with several countries providing free tuition at public universities. This unique educational model can be found in countries such as Germany, Norway, and Finland, where students, regardless of their nationality, can pursue
    their studies without the burden of tuition fees. Other nations offer variations of free tuition, with EU students benefiting from free
    education and international students enjoying significantly reduced fees.

    https://www.mastersportal.com/articles/3200/free-universities-in-
    europe.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 6 20:48:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4283f776b8340adf98a0ea@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvbuss$21thc$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282d30cbb1cf6098a0e7@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments
    for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-
    year
    term and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would
    be approximately $610,228.39, including both principal
    and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of
    $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked. I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy
    dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just snip the
    explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck off on
    that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag, it is *normal* for the sum of total payments made
    on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the
    original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then
    don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run
    away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking
    stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works,
    Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's
    something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more
    than double the amount originally borrowed, and there just
    isn't ?? you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    they didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they
    borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees that were not
    going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going
    to
    be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never*
    have a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou
    Bricano"
    would argue that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino.
    Those student loans were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school
    too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.


    Not always.

    Trades are always needed.


    Pretty limited needs for blacksmiths and buggy-whip makers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 6 20:47:44 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4283f75696c2225998a0e9@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvbure$21thc$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments
    for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of
    $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest
    lying commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation
    and change the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a
    long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the original
    loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag. If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run
    away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking
    stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works,
    Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's
    something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more
    than double the amount originally borrowed, and there just
    isn't ?? you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    they didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they
    borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be.
    But a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have
    a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano"
    would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school
    too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    It beats the tons of money an Ivy League shithole wants.


    =========
    Europe has exceptional opportunities in higher education, with several countries providing free tuition at public universities. This unique educational model can be found in countries such as Germany, Norway, and Finland, where students, regardless of their nationality, can pursue
    their studies without the burden of tuition fees. Other nations offer variations of free tuition, with EU students benefiting from free
    education and international students enjoying significantly reduced fees.

    https://www.mastersportal.com/articles/3200/free-universities-in-
    europe.html

    =========

    So why can't the US do the same? Why do you have to be either wealthy or mortgage the rest of your life to get an education in the US?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 6 20:50:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4283f795fe79d6ae98a0eb@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvbv0j$21thc$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:DgaSP.22130$eAtc.19002
    @fx05.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 1:21 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com:
    On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and
    still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's
    one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the
    principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes
    in
    - the student made payments for 20 years totalling more
    than the original loan, but it was all applied to the
    interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 years
    of payments, the student still owes more than he
    borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with
    interest, and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms,
    Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so
    they can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly
    reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on
    the
    resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the
    federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of
    Education). That program came into being as part of the
    Affordable Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama
    administration. Are you saying Obama set out to swindle
    student
    borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan
    before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster,
    you
    are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the
    government to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent*
    to the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The
    government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours.

    Then why do I get tax refunds every year, Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag.

    Your tax refund has nothing to do with any loans or spending by the
    government.

    Our taxes pay the govt. It's our money.

    Did they fail to teach you about Representative Government in your
    school? Or did you sleep through those classes?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 6 14:20:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are citizens
    of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer than Europe,
    so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 6 21:24:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are citizens
    of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer than Europe,
    so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 6 14:18:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 6/5/25 13:13, Lou Bricano wrote:
    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on
    student
    loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt
    collector.

    Nothing wrong with that. It happens for all kinds of other debt
    as well.

    Other kinds of debts can be ended by bankruptcy or giving up
    collateral.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From brickley@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 6 21:26:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 06 May 2025, Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> posted some news:Y3uSP.18998$v2h6.5107@fx14.iad:

    On 4/23/2025 12:54 PM, H Karlsen wrote:
    PORTLAND, Oregon — Millions of people who've fallen behind on
    student loan payments must now start repaying them or face a debt
    collector.

    Nothing wrong with that. It happens for all kinds of other debt as
    well.

    Lots of deadbeats in Oregon. They're too drunk or stoned to work in the
    first place.

    But they vote Democrat!

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  • From adolph@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 6 18:26:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are citizens >>> of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer than Europe,
    so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    Capitalists are taught that hard work is rewarded. Liberals are taught
    that everyone owes them a living.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Wed May 7 02:52:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-06, Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vvbuss$21thc$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282d30cbb1cf6098a0e7@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments
    for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would
    be approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of
    $1,570.08 and a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked. I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy
    dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just snip the
    explanation and change the topic. So you can fuck off on
    that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag, it is *normal* for the sum of total payments made
    on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of the
    original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it, then
    don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run
    away, but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking
    stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how interest works,
    Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's
    something wrong or "unfair" with a person paying back more
    than double the amount originally borrowed, and there just
    isn't â?? you're just fucking wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    they didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they
    borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees that were not
    going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to
    be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never*
    have a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano"
    would argue that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino.
    Those student loans were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school
    too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.


    Not always.

    Trades are always needed.

    True.
    Some become obsolete over time, but other trades take their place.

    I have participated in symposiums presenting engineering as a career to
    high school students looking to choose a career.

    In the past I was always asked about offshoring taking jobs.
    These days I have been asked about AI taking over engineering jobs.

    My current answer is, do something you need to physically touch.
    Be the network technician building the cables, routing them and plugging
    the devices in.

    Do NOT become the network engineer designing the layer one network.
    Right now that can easily be accomplished by someone anywhere on earth and
    AI is next.

    AI will never run the fiber though.

    Better yet, start a service biz.
    With the boomers aging service businesses are going to be needed.
    Plumber, electrician etc.
    AI cannot take those jobs.




    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Blue Lives Matter@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 7 03:10:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism

    Let Harvard go private and fund themselves. Then they can teach whatever
    they want. No argument from me.


    Why are you afraid of Trump? He's a feeble old man who can't even take a punch. Are all rightists sniveling syncophants to a fat insane old fool
    who sucks cocks? Rightists need to pull together and stop being the serf class because they fear education and enlightenment.
    It looks like your politicians have you nicely under control. Rightists
    have lost their free will.

    Will that change once feeble old fat Trump is dead and buried?

    Eh Cultist?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Wed May 7 02:45:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-06, Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vvbure$21thc$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be
    approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and
    interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap
    commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is,
    Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying
    commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change
    the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term
    loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how
    interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away,
    but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and
    hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or
    "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount
    originally borrowed, and there just isn't â?? you're just fucking >> >> >> > wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they
    didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a
    stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on
    the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit
    history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    It beats the tons of money an Ivy League shithole wants.

    There has been tons of fraud committed during COVID and funding, loans etc. Things were in such a frenzy, people took advantage of that and grifted the system.

    However, the funding DID help many legit businesses so that was good.

    Compare that to say Harvard where they follow a far left policy, discourage conservatism
    at all costs and have endowments in the BILLIONS of dollars sitting in accounts that
    are mostly tax free.

    Don't get me wrong, I believe in free speech however I do not want my tax dollars
    funding such a left wing institution.

    The same goes for PBS/NPR.

    And I would say the exact same thing if it were a conservative institution like say
    Hillsdale.

    Let Harvard go private and fund themselves. Then they can teach whatever they want.
    No argument from me.





    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to adolph on Wed May 7 03:28:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    adolph <adolph@bbc.co.uk> wrote in news:vvecsa$doi$3@toxic.dizum.net:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer
    than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    Capitalists are taught that hard work is rewarded. Liberals are
    taught that everyone owes them a living.


    That's propaganda created by capitalists.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Wed May 7 12:23:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are citizens >>> of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer than Europe,
    so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the proper role of
    government?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Wed May 7 12:24:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/6/2025 1:38 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:ITqSP.1632$FHNb.285@fx40.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 8:17 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:DgaSP.22130$eAtc.19002@fx05.iad:

    On 5/5/2025 1:21 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Ys7SP.21126$9zYa.11155@fx13.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 8:32 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:NWTRP.4443$mVWd.44@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:30 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:PERRP.3130$rdEd.1121@fx39.iad:

    On 5/3/2025 8:25 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vv6iqn$10ghb$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:vv65n5$g76i$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:ygsRP.86318$s5Kd.37124@fx14.iad:
    On 4/26/2025 7:52 AM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vui1jm$1te0q$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:vuhhma$1fc7n$2@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vuh7m8$147ng$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vug8bf$78tf$1@dont-email.me, Baxter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9t3m0ktr36081tr96r326n2fih2cvk4ak2@4ax.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:42:41 -0700, "max headroom" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:vucb17$mjrm$1@dont-email.me, Baxter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Except they paid the principle, with interest, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still owed....

    Cite?

    I'll wait with you.

    There are multiple loan forgiveness plans - here's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one:...

    Find one that addressed borrowers who "paid the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> principle, with interest, and still owed..."

    Ah, yes, that's where the "creative bookeeping" comes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in - the student made payments for 20 years totalling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than the original loan, but it was all applied to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the interest and not to the principle -- and after 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years of payments, the student still owes more than he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> borrowed....

    So they hadn't actually "paid the principle, with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest, and still owed..."

    They've paid more than they borrowed.

    They haven't paid off the loan according to the terms, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bugster, you fucking moron.

    Because that's the way the terms are written - written so >>>>>>>>>>>>> they can NEVER pay them off.

    My daughter did.

    And when was that? Those student loans started out fairly >>>>>>>>>>> reasonable, and then many evolved into scams - depending on >>>>>>>>>>> the resorces/advice and sophistication/education of the
    borrower.
    Virtually *all* student loans since 2010 have been made by the >>>>>>>>>> federal government (Federal Student Aid office of Dept. of >>>>>>>>>> Education). That program came into being as part of the
    Affordable Care Act, the signature achievement of the Obama >>>>>>>>>> administration. Are you saying Obama set out to swindle
    student borrowers with deceptive scam loans, Bugster?

    Whose responsibility is it to understand the terms of a loan >>>>>>>>>> before accepting it, Bugster? God-fucking-damn it, Bugster, >>>>>>>>>> you are just too stupid for words.


    If it's a government loan, then it's no big deal for the
    government to forgive that loan.

    *Wrong*, Bugster. It's not the government's money, Bugster, you >>>>>>>> stupid lying commie shitbag. It's the taxpayers' money.

    No, dickwad, once it's in government hands, it's no longer your
    money.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag: the money was *lent* >>>>>> to the borrowers with the expectation that it would be repaid. The >>>>>> government only holds and spends money on behalf of taxpayers.

    You're about done, Bugster.


    Once your tax money reaches the government it theirs and not yours.

    Then why do I get tax refunds every year, Bugster, you stupid lying
    commie shitbag.

    Your tax refund

    You said once the tax has been collected, Bugster, the money belongs
    to the government. So why do they refund some of it to me, Bugster,
    you cheap commie cocksucking liar?


    Below is Bugster telling us that he *works* at being stupid:


    The reason you might get a tax refund is because your tax payment wasn't officially accepted until you filed the paperwork and they processed it.

    Ha ha ha! *HA HA HA HA HA*! You *stupid* fucking clueless commie liar: the tax money withheld from my pay not only was "officially accepted" when they got it, it was also *officially spent* long before I filed any return.

    You are no smarter at age 84, Bugster, than you were the day you were born. You're a fucking idiot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From P. Coonan@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 7 22:39:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 06 May 2025, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> posted some news:vvehtt$dhmm$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-06, Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vvbuss$21thc$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282d30cbb1cf6098a0e7@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of
    payments for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5%
    interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a
    30-year term and a 5% interest rate, the total amount
    paid would be approximately $610,228.39, including
    both principal and interest. This translates to a
    monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360
    payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan"
    is, Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how
    they worked. I would explain it to you, but being a
    sleazy dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just
    snip the explanation and change the topic. So you can
    fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag, it is *normal* for the sum of total payments
    made on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of
    the original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*,
    you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it,
    then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't
    run away, but we know you're about to. You're just too
    fucking stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how
    interest works, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag.
    You think there's something wrong or "unfair" with a
    person paying back more than double the amount originally
    borrowed, and there just isn't â?? you're just fucking
    wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way
    taken advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag. If they didn't understand the terms of the loans,
    or if they borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees
    that were not going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is
    *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is
    never going to be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like
    you will *never* have a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou
    Bricano" would argue that a gambler is entitled to win at
    the casino. Those student loans were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades
    school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.


    Not always.

    Trades are always needed.

    True.
    Some become obsolete over time, but other trades take their place.

    I have participated in symposiums presenting engineering as a career
    to high school students looking to choose a career.

    In the past I was always asked about offshoring taking jobs.
    These days I have been asked about AI taking over engineering jobs.

    AI can do a great job of basic structures. What it can't do is resolve
    complex issues involving boundaries. Yet.

    My current answer is, do something you need to physically touch.
    Be the network technician building the cables, routing them and
    plugging the devices in.

    Do NOT become the network engineer designing the layer one network.
    Right now that can easily be accomplished by someone anywhere on earth
    and AI is next.

    Don't hire anybody from India for either of the above, specifically Tech Mahindra.

    AI will never run the fiber though.

    Better yet, start a service biz.
    With the boomers aging service businesses are going to be needed.
    Plumber, electrician etc.

    Security camera stuff is surging right now.

    Home battery replacement upgrade services for solar systems are emerging.

    AI cannot take those jobs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From P. Coonan@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 7 22:41:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 06 May 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:vvduln$3oj4p$6@dont-email.me:

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer
    than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    Maximizing efficiency and profits isn't greed.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 7 23:35:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.]
    On 2025-05-07, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 7 May 2025 02:45:27 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    Compare that to say Harvard where they follow a far left policy, discourage conservatism
    at all costs and have endowments in the BILLIONS of dollars sitting in accounts that
    are mostly tax free.

    Don't get me wrong, I believe in free speech however I do not want my tax dollars
    funding such a left wing institution.

    That's good because Harvard is a private university.

    It is which is another reason why tax dollars should not be supporting it.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to P. Coonan on Wed May 7 23:47:24 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-07, P. Coonan <nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
    On 06 May 2025, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> posted some news:vvehtt$dhmm$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-06, Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vvbuss$21thc$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282d30cbb1cf6098a0e7@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net>, invalid@none.com says...

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865@fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of
    payments for a $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5%
    interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a
    30-year term and a 5% interest rate, the total amount
    paid would be approximately $610,228.39, including
    both principal and interest. This translates to a
    monthly payment of $1,570.08 and a total of 360
    payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke*
    cheap commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan"
    is, Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how
    they worked. I would explain it to you, but being a
    sleazy dishonest lying commie shitbag, you would just
    snip the explanation and change the topic. So you can
    fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag, it is *normal* for the sum of total payments
    made on a long-term loan to be *double* the amount of
    the original loan. That's how interest *fucking works*,
    you stupid lying commie shitbag. If you don't like it,
    then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't
    run away, but we know you're about to. You're just too
    fucking stupid and hyper-emotional to understand how
    interest works, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag.
    You think there's something wrong or "unfair" with a
    person paying back more than double the amount originally
    borrowed, and there just isn't â?? you're just fucking
    wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way
    taken advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie
    shitbag. If they didn't understand the terms of the loans,
    or if they borrowed tens of thousands to obtain degrees
    that were not going to lead to high-paying jobs, that is
    *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you
    stupid lying commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is
    never going to be. But a stupid lying commie shitbag like
    you will *never* have a grasp on the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any
    credit history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou
    Bricano" would argue that a gambler is entitled to win at
    the casino. Those student loans were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades
    school too.

    You can pay as you go with a trade school.

    Oh and also get a job you can use.


    Not always.

    Trades are always needed.

    True.
    Some become obsolete over time, but other trades take their place.

    I have participated in symposiums presenting engineering as a career
    to high school students looking to choose a career.

    In the past I was always asked about offshoring taking jobs.
    These days I have been asked about AI taking over engineering jobs.

    AI can do a great job of basic structures. What it can't do is resolve complex issues involving boundaries. Yet.

    Indeed.
    AI is advancing at supersonic speed ATM.
    It's getting scary, at least to me.



    My current answer is, do something you need to physically touch.
    Be the network technician building the cables, routing them and
    plugging the devices in.

    Do NOT become the network engineer designing the layer one network.
    Right now that can easily be accomplished by someone anywhere on earth
    and AI is next.

    Don't hire anybody from India for either of the above, specifically Tech Mahindra.

    LOL!



    AI will never run the fiber though.

    Better yet, start a service biz.
    With the boomers aging service businesses are going to be needed.
    Plumber, electrician etc.

    Security camera stuff is surging right now.

    They are.
    Especially ones that are hardwired and cannot be jammed easily.



    Home battery replacement upgrade services for solar systems are emerging.

    Interesting.
    When I renewed my home owner's insurence a couple of months ago question #1
    was do you own an EV and is it stored in an attached garage?
    And #2 was do you have solar panels on your roof?


    For me, solar might be a decent option as I can install it on my property instead
    of my roof.
    I've been considering it.





    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to P. Coonan on Wed May 7 19:08:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 7/5/25 15:41, P. Coonan wrote:
    On 06 May 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:vvduln$3oj4p$6@dont-email.me:

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer
    than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    Maximizing efficiency and profits isn't greed.

    It was not about capitalism. CSUCS and UC were graduating
    successful capitalists and market innovators.

    <https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/ronald-reagan-unrest-college-campuses-1967>

    How far do we go in tolerating these people & this trash under
    the excuse of academic freedom & freedom of expression? Please
    understand, that question isnt made in any tone of accusation. I
    mean myself too in that use of the term we.

    We wouldnt let a LeRoi Jones in our livingroom and we wouldnt
    tolerate this kind of language in front of our families. Hasnt
    the time come to take on those neurotics in our faculty group and
    lay down some rules of conduct for the students comparable to
    what wed expect in our own families? If we do and the we this
    time means youd have all the backing I could give you, I believe
    the people of Calif. would take the state college system to their
    hearts.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Thu May 8 15:12:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer
    than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 8 10:09:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 8/5/25 8:12, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer
    than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.


    Republicans led by Reagan realise an educated populace demands an
    intelligent governance.

    idjt is attacking universities because their students do not fall
    for the usual fear and hate that Republicans exploit.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 8 12:26:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me...
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer
    than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Which we clearly are not getting or they would have no issues paying back
    their debts.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 8 10:21:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/8/2025 8:12 AM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer
    than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    <yawn> We're not Europe.


    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.
    Just the opposite — governments want stupid docile subjects who are unable to discern the truth and reality.

    You don't know a fucking thing that you think you know, Bugster. You're willfully and aggressively stupid.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Thu May 8 13:26:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vviog3$1vkn4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 8/5/25 8:12, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and richer >>>>>> than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.


    Republicans led by Reagan realise an educated populace demands an
    intelligent governance.

    idjt is attacking universities because their students do not fall for the usual fear and hate that Republicans exploit.

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to college and
    to take degrees based on their desires, literature, gender studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once you have a degree. Then when
    these liberal arts majors get out at find their degree is worthless.. they
    will support any idiot that promises to keep them out of bankruptcy.. ie Democrats. After all look at any debate between conservatives and liberals.. conservatives have facts... liberals have emotions and denial. in the end
    which do you think really matters?

    Na, sorry, but seems to me the students we have with issues paying their
    loans are the ones raised on government dependency and doing what they want, not what is wise or smart. After all, we're talking about people who can't
    even figure our your gender until that person decides what it will be. How
    can they possibly deal with anything where there is one right answer and everything else is automatically wrong?

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Thu May 8 14:41:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/8/25 2:33 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:vviog3$1vkn4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 8/5/25 8:12, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are >>>>>>>> citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.


    Republicans led by Reagan realise an educated populace demands an
    intelligent governance.

    idjt is attacking universities because their students do not fall for
    the usual fear and hate that Republicans exploit.

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires,


    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?



    literature, gender
    studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually
    require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once you
    have a degree. Then when these liberal arts majors get out at find
    their degree is worthless..


    No college education is worthless.

    It is an investment in yourself,
    something no one can take away.

    It is when you willingly sign up to finance it, then when you can't
    parlay it into a salary that can pay for it you demand other do.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 8 18:33:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vviog3$1vkn4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 8/5/25 8:12, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.


    Republicans led by Reagan realise an educated populace demands an
    intelligent governance.

    idjt is attacking universities because their students do not fall for
    the usual fear and hate that Republicans exploit.

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires,


    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?



    literature, gender
    studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually
    require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once you
    have a degree. Then when these liberal arts majors get out at find
    their degree is worthless..


    No college education is worthless.

    It is an investment in yourself,
    something no one can take away.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Thu May 8 19:57:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:qrOSP.821$lK62.508@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 1:38 PM, Baxter wrote:


    The reason you might get a tax refund is because your tax payment
    wasn't officially accepted until you filed the paperwork and they
    processed it.

    Ha ha ha! *HA HA HA HA HA*! You *stupid* fucking clueless commie liar:
    the tax money withheld from my pay not only was "officially accepted"
    when they got it, it was also *officially spent* long before I filed
    any return.

    In bizarro Bricano world, you only get a refund if someone else pays off
    their loan. In bizarro Bricano world, there's no need to file a Tax Return
    on Apr 15 (or any other day), because the government already withheld it
    and spent it. Sounds absurd, but's that's his argument - I've simply
    rephrased it a bit.

    Stay tuned for more absurdities from Bricano' bizarro world.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 8 12:06:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:XnsB2D98A0EBF3AC629555@185.151.15.190,
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires,

    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?

    Nothing, if they can pay for it.

    literature, gender
    studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually
    require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once
    you have a degree. Then when these liberal arts majors get out at
    find their degree is worthless..

    No college education is worthless.

    You'll can say, "Would you like to SuperSize that?" proudly!

    It is an investment in yourself,
    something no one can take away.

    Sometimes investments don't pan out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Thu May 8 22:07:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:QK5TP.42311$R505.4720@fx10.iad:

    On 5/8/2025 8:12 AM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    <yawn> We're not Europe.

    We tried it here with the GI Bill - why did Repugs kill that?



    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.
    Just the opposite — governments want stupid docile subjects who are
    unable to discern the truth and reality.

    You don't know a fucking thing that you think you know, Bugster.
    You're willfully and aggressively stupid.

    That's you.




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 8 22:05:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vvim0c$1uoum$1@dont-email.me:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me...
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Which we clearly are not getting or they would have no issues paying
    back their debts.

    MAGA proves we're not reaching a large percentage of the population.
    'Course, conservaturds have been cutting Education for decades.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 8 22:08:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vviog3$1vkn4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 8/5/25 8:12, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.


    Republicans led by Reagan realise an educated populace demands an
    intelligent governance.

    idjt is attacking universities because their students do not fall for
    the usual fear and hate that Republicans exploit.

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires, literature, gender studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually
    require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once you
    have a degree.

    Oh, baloney! Where do you conservaturds come up with these nonsense bullshit?!

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Thu May 8 17:57:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 8/5/25 11:33, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?

    You get academic losers like JRR Tolkien wasting their careers on
    old and middle English instead of proper studies like Italian
    renaissance poetry.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Yak on Thu May 8 17:58:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 8/5/25 11:41, Yak wrote:
    It is when you willingly sign up to finance it, then when you
    can't parlay it into a salary that can pay for it you demand
    other do.

    Fermi did not die a millionaire so he had a worthless, wasted life.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
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    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to max headroom on Fri May 9 02:26:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvivsg$22l09$2@dont- email.me:

    In news:XnsB2D98A0EBF3AC629555@185.151.15.190,
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires,

    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?

    Nothing, if they can pay for it.


    Do high schools make students pay
    for their education?



    literature, gender
    studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually
    require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once
    you have a degree. Then when these liberal arts majors get out at
    find their degree is worthless..

    No college education is worthless.

    You'll can say, "Would you like to SuperSize that?" proudly!

    It is an investment in yourself,
    something no one can take away.

    Sometimes investments don't pan out.



    College should be an investment
    of time, not money.


    https://www.accreditedschoolsonline.org/resources/which-countries-offer- free-college/

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Fri May 9 02:29:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvjjsv$29nic$6@dont-
    email.me:

    On 8/5/25 11:33, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?

    You get academic losers like JRR Tolkien wasting their careers on
    old and middle English instead of proper studies like Italian
    renaissance poetry.



    "I am, somehow, less interested in
    the weight and convolutions of
    Einstein's brain than in the near
    certainty that people of equal
    talent have lived and died in
    cotton fields and sweatshops".

    - Stephen Jay Gould -

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  • From Marmalade King@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 9 03:50:09 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Biden's to blame for all Trump's failures and his crash-and-burn
    Presidencies.

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 9 08:09:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/8/25 6:48 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 14:41:48 -0400, Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    It is when you willingly sign up to finance it, then when you can't
    parlay it into a salary that can pay for it you demand other do.

    Is that anything like a badly run business getting a cheap loan from
    the government then being forgiven for that loan when the poorly run
    business can't pay it back?


    It's very much like that. Why do you ask?

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  • From Yak@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 9 14:18:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/9/25 12:59 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Fri, 9 May 2025 08:09:19 -0400, Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    On 5/8/25 6:48 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 8 May 2025 14:41:48 -0400, Yak <Yak@inbox.com> wrote:

    It is when you willingly sign up to finance it, then when you can't
    parlay it into a salary that can pay for it you demand other do.

    Is that anything like a badly run business getting a cheap loan from
    the government then being forgiven for that loan when the poorly run
    business can't pay it back?


    It's very much like that. Why do you ask?

    Then why is one not forgiven while the other is?


    Probably because PPP forgiveness was explicitly authorized by Congress,
    with clear rules baked into the CARES Act, while broad student loan
    forgiveness lacks Congressional approval, relying on contested executive action.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to pothead on Fri May 9 15:59:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/6/25 22:45, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-05-06, Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vvbure$21thc$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4282d2bb747dcd3098a0e5
    @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvb6dq$18l06$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.4282aa21fef2e96a98a0db@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vv9bmr$3j1fm$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:%XTRP.4444$mVWd.2865
    @fx44.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 5:16 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:sBRRP.125269$U3L2.105020@fx16.iad:

    On 5/4/2025 1:34 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:n3QRP.2330$rkV6.206@fx46.iad:



    Question to Google AI: "What would the total of payments for
    a
    $300,000 30 year mortgage at 5% interest be?"

    Google AI answer: "For a $300,000 mortgage with a 30-year
    term
    and a 5% interest rate, the total amount paid would be >>>>>>>>>>>> approximately $610,228.39, including both principal and >>>>>>>>>>>> interest. This translates to a monthly payment of $1,570.08
    and
    a total of 360 payments over 30 years."

    This is *fucking normal*, Bugster, you filthy *broke* cheap >>>>>>>>>>>> commie cocksucker.

    And how did those subprime loans work?

    You don't have any fucking clue what a "subprime loan" is, >>>>>>>>>> Bugster, so you *wouldn't* have any fucking clue how they
    worked.
    I would explain it to you, but being a sleazy dishonest lying >>>>>>>>>> commie shitbag, you would just snip the explanation and change >>>>>>>>>> the topic. So you can fuck off on that.

    The simple fact is, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag,
    it
    is *normal* for the sum of total payments made on a long-term >>>>>>>>>> loan to be *double* the amount of the original loan. That's how >>>>>>>>>> interest *fucking works*, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If
    you
    don't like it, then don't take out the loan.


    And with that Lou Bricano runs away.

    No, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag, I haven't run away, >>>>>>>> but we know you're about to. You're just too fucking stupid and >>>>>>>> hyper-emotional to understand how interest works, Bugster, you >>>>>>>> stupid lying commie shitbag. You think there's something wrong or >>>>>>>> "unfair" with a person paying back more than double the amount >>>>>>>> originally borrowed, and there just isn't â?? you're just fucking >>>>>>>> wrong.

    The student borrowers were not "scammed" or in any way taken
    advantage of, Bugster, you stupid lying commie shitbag. If they >>>>>>>> didn't understand the terms of the loans, or if they borrowed
    tens
    of thousands to obtain degrees that were not going to lead to
    high-paying jobs, that is *wholly* on them.

    You want college education to be "free," Bugster, you stupid
    lying
    commie shitbag, and it just isn't and is never going to be. But a >>>>>>>> stupid lying commie shitbag like you will *never* have a grasp on >>>>>>>> the real world.


    Those student loans were a gamble - made to kids without any credit >>>>>>> history, and no guarantees of employment. "Lou Bricano" would
    argue
    that a gambler is entitled to win at the casino. Those student
    loans
    were a gamble

    To bad, they signed. That's how it works. Maybe they
    should think of trade school instead.


    Trade schools cost too - and student loans are for trades school too. >>>>
    You can pay as you go with a trade school.


    Sure, if you got $30,000 laying around - perhaps under your mattress?

    It beats the tons of money an Ivy League shithole wants.

    There has been tons of fraud committed during COVID and funding, loans etc. Things were in such a frenzy, people took advantage of that and grifted the system.

    However, the funding DID help many legit businesses so that was good.

    Too bad the fraudsters were protected by Trump.

    I kid you not:

    "Trump Erased Millions of Possible PPP Fraud Flags in Last Days in Office

    Officials cleared nearly all potential fraud flags given to loans above
    $2 million just days before Trump left office."


    <https://truthout.org/articles/trump-erased-millions-of-possible-ppp-fraud-flags-in-last-days-in-office/>


    Compare that to say Harvard where they follow a far left policy, discourage conservatism
    at all costs and have endowments in the BILLIONS of dollars sitting in accounts that
    are mostly tax free.

    Don't get me wrong, I believe in free speech however I do not want my tax dollars
    funding such a left wing institution.

    They're not. In a fully open competitive environment, they did have
    successful bids for the Government to purchase services from them: as
    the best value/lowest bidder, that's in the taxpayer's best interests.


    The same goes for PBS/NPR.

    You're whining about what's less than $100 lifetime expense for you.


    And I would say the exact same thing if it were a conservative institution like say
    Hillsdale.

    Hillsdale is free to submit proposals too.

    Let Harvard go private and fund themselves. Then they can teach whatever they want.
    No argument from me.

    The funds you're whining over ... aren't paying for curriculum.

    -hh

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 9 19:42:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 9 19:41:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:XnsB2D9DA5B21725629555@185.151.15.160,
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvivsg$22l09$2@dont- email.me:
    In news:XnsB2D98A0EBF3AC629555@185.151.15.190,
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires,

    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?

    Nothing, if they can pay for it.

    Do high schools make students pay
    for their education?

    The topic is college student loan forgiveness.

    literature, gender
    studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually
    require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once
    you have a degree. Then when these liberal arts majors get out at
    find their degree is worthless..

    No college education is worthless.

    You'll can say, "Would you like to SuperSize that?" proudly!

    It is an investment in yourself,
    something no one can take away.

    Sometimes investments don't pan out.

    College should be an investment
    of time, not money.

    For faculty, too?

    https://www.accreditedschoolsonline.org/resources/which-countries-offer- free-college/

    So you could relocate, right?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat May 10 02:54:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 10 02:59:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-10, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    <https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public-school>

    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to max headroom on Fri May 9 20:48:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 9/5/25 19:41, max headroom wrote:
    https://www.accreditedschoolsonline.org/resources/which-countries-offer-
    free-college/
    So you could relocate, right?



    Why return to do their most productive work instead of stay and
    pay taxes where they were schooled?

    You are too stupid to understand why California had the tech boom
    instead of Chapel Hill.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to pothead on Fri May 9 21:02:09 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows up?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 9 23:32:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vvmiac$3av9c$1@dont-email.me, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> typed:

    On 9/5/25 19:41, max headroom wrote:

    https://www.accreditedschoolsonline.org/resources/which-countries-offer- >>>> free-college/

    So you could relocate, right?

    Why return to do their most productive work instead of stay and
    pay taxes where they were schooled?

    You are too stupid to understand why California had the tech boom
    instead of Chapel Hill.

    But Holman and Baxter want free universities, which UC, Cal State, and Stanford certainly are not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat May 10 00:09:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 9/5/25 23:32, max headroom wrote:
    In news:vvmiac$3av9c$1@dont-email.me, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> typed:

    On 9/5/25 19:41, max headroom wrote:

    https://www.accreditedschoolsonline.org/resources/which-countries-offer- >>>>> free-college/

    So you could relocate, right?

    Why return to do their most productive work instead of stay and
    pay taxes where they were schooled?

    You are too stupid to understand why California had the tech boom
    instead of Chapel Hill.

    But Holman and Baxter want free universities, which UC, Cal State, and Stanford
    certainly are not.

    Brown left CSC free. That meant California had plenty of trained
    engineers, mathematicians, and programmers when Stanford started
    tech companies.

    With that momentum, it continues to suck up the brightest around
    the world.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Sat May 10 13:33:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students? >>>> >>
    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim
    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to pothead on Sat May 10 14:58:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvmfeh$3abbu$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are >>>>>>>> citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    <https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public -school>


    ===============
    The Private School Myth

    https://www.davispoliticalreview.com/article/the-private-school-myth

    ============
    Despite the arguments in favor of the use of vouchers or other mechanisms
    to support enrollment in private schools, this study finds no evidence
    that private schools, exclusive of family background or income, are more effective for promoting student success. - Robert Pianta, Dean of the
    Curry School of Education, University of Virginia

    https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/study-upends- conventional-wisdom-about-private-school-advantages
    ==========

    In short, the same student will achieve the same performance regardless
    of whether a private or public school.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to pothead on Sat May 10 15:05:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the scores. The
    same group of students will achieve the same performance whether in
    private or public schools.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 10 08:22:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/8/2025 3:07 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:QK5TP.42311$R505.4720@fx10.iad:

    On 5/8/2025 8:12 AM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    <yawn> We're not Europe.

    We tried it here with the GI Bill - why did Repugs kill that?

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is *still* active.
    But that is *not* financial aid for college for just anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    You're not just stupid, Bugster — you're willfully and aggressively stupid, and
    you're an asshole commie liar.




    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.
    Just the opposite — governments want stupid docile subjects who are
    unable to discern the truth and reality.

    You don't know a fucking thing that you think you know, Bugster.
    You're willfully and aggressively stupid.

    That's

    you. Yes, Bugster, you stupid commie liar, that's you.

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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sat May 10 08:21:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/8/2025 11:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:vviog3$1vkn4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 8/5/25 8:12, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are >>>>>>>> citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.


    Republicans led by Reagan realise an educated populace demands an
    intelligent governance.

    idjt is attacking universities because their students do not fall for
    the usual fear and hate that Republicans exploit.

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires,


    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?

    There's nothing inherently wrong with it, but if they borrowed money for it with
    an expectation of landing a highly remunerated job that doesn't materialize, they're going to have a hard time paying back the loans, and they should not expect taxpayers' help.

    Like Bugster, you think university education should be "free" for students. It isn't, and it likely never will be in the U.S. Americans who wish to attend university just have to expect to pay for it themselves. Cry all you want about how you think things "ought" to be — they just aren't that way.


    literature, gender
    studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that actually
    require you to work and learn but which offer superior income once you
    have a degree. Then when these liberal arts majors get out at find
    their degree is worthless..


    No college education is worthless.

    It is an investment in yourself,
    something no one can take away.

    It's only a worthwhile investment if it yields a return. If you "invest" in a four year (or longer) degree with the expectation of finding work in the field you studied, and then you can't find any work in that field, then the investment
    was squandered. If invest your fortune into a company making buggy whips or horseshoes or some other product that is obsolete and no longer in demand, you've wasted your money. If you borrowed the money, now you're well and truly fucked.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 08:56:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont-
    email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are
    citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school students tend to perform
    better on standardized tests. The National Assessment of Educational
    Progress, which is often referred to as “the nation’s report card,” assesses
    both public and private school students in subjects such as math, reading,
    science and writing. The most recent NAEP data shows what other research has
    found: Private school students score better in almost all subjects.

    https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public-school


    This site says the same thing in greater detail, discussing 4th and 8th grade scores for reading and mathematics:

    https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2006461.aspx

    Private schools do better in both subjects in both grades.

    You are such a *stupid* commie liar, Bugster.

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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 09:00:41 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the scores. The
    same group of students will achieve the same performance whether in
    private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you have posted shows
    that.

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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 08:59:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 7:58 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvmfeh$3abbu$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied: >>> "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad: >>>>>> On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are >>>>>>>>> citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and >>>>>>>>> richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    <https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public
    -school>


    ===============
    The Private School Myth
    No, Bugster, you stupid commie liar — *this*:

    Comparing Private Schools and Public Schools Using Hierarchical Linear Modeling

    Executive Summary

    The goal of the study was to examine differences in mean National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) reading and mathematics scores between public and private schools when selected characteristics of students and/or schools were taken into account. Among the student characteristics considered were gender, race/ethnicity, disability status, and identification as an English language learner. Among the school characteristics considered were school size and location, and composition of the student body and of the teaching staff. In particular, if the student populations enrolled in the two types of schools differed systematically with respect to background characteristics related to achievement, then those differences would be confounded with straightforward comparisons between school types.

    The present report examined results from the 2003 NAEP assessments in reading and mathematics for grades 4 and 8. NAEP draws nationally representative samples
    of schools and students. In 2003, over 6,900 public schools and over 530 private
    schools participated in the grade 4 assessments. Over 5,500 public schools and over 550 private schools participated in the grade 8 assessments.

    Hierarchical linear models (HLMs) were employed to carry out the desired adjustments. HLMs were a natural choice because they accommodate the nested structure of the data (i.e., students clustered within schools) and facilitate the inclusion of variables derived from student and school characteristics. In this study, the focal parameter was the mean difference between mean NAEP scores
    for two populations of schools. (This difference was not identical to the difference in mean scores between the two student populations, though the discrepancy was typically small.) HLMs were used to compare all private schools to all public schools, as well as to compare, separately, certain categories of private schools (i.e., those for which sample sizes were sufficient to report reliable estimates) to all public schools. Statistical significance was determined at the .05 level using t tests on model results.

    Results from Grade 4
    Reading

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were compared to all public schools. The average private school mean reading score was 14.7 points higher than the average public school mean reading score, corresponding to an effect size of .41 (the ratio of the absolute value of the estimated difference to the standard deviation of the NAEP fourth-grade reading score distribution). After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was near
    zero and not significant. In the second set of analyses, Catholic schools and Lutheran schools were each compared to all public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments, were similar to the corresponding results for all private schools.
    Mathematics

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were again compared to all public schools. The average private school mean mathematics score was 7.8 points
    higher than the average public school mean mathematics score, corresponding to an effect size of .29. After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the
    difference in means was -4.5 and significantly different from zero. (Note that a
    negative difference implies that the average school mean was higher for public schools.) In the second set, Catholic schools and Lutheran schools were each compared to all public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments, were similar to the corresponding results for all private schools.

    Results From Grade 8
    Reading

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were compared to all public schools. The average private school mean reading score was 18.1 points higher than the average public school mean reading score, corresponding to an effect size of .58. After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was 7.3 points and significantly different from zero. In the
    second set, Catholic, Lutheran, and Conservative Christian schools were each compared to all public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments, were generally similar to the corresponding results for all private schools. The
    only exception was that the average difference in adjusted school mean scores between Conservative Christian schools and all public schools was not significantly different from zero.
    Mathematics

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were again compared to all public schools. The average private school mean mathematics score was 12.3 points higher than the average public school mean mathematics score, corresponding to an effect size of .38. After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was nearly zero and not significant. In
    the second set, Catholic, Lutheran, and Conservative Christian schools were each
    compared to all public schools. While the results for Catholic schools, both with and without adjustments, were very similar to the corresponding results for
    all private schools, the results for the other two types differed.

    The initial difference between Lutheran schools and all public schools was substantially larger (19.5 points) than was the case for all private schools. The average difference in adjusted mean mathematics scores between the two types
    of schools was 4.9 points and significantly different from zero. On the other hand, the initial difference between Conservative Christian schools and all public schools was substantially smaller (5.1 points) and not significant. The average difference in adjusted school means between Conservative Christian schools and all public schools was -7.6 points (i.e., a higher average school mean for public schools) and was significantly different from zero.

    Comparison of Results for Grade 4 and Grade 8

    Overall, there were many similarities in the results for the two grades. In both
    reading and mathematics, analyses employing unadjusted NAEP scores indicated that the average private school mean score was higher than the average public school mean score, and the difference was statistically significant. Including selected student characteristics in the model, however, resulted in a substantial reduction in the difference in all four analyses. The reduction varied from 11 to 15 score points. For grade 4 reading and grade 8 mathematics, the average difference in adjusted school mean scores was no longer significant.
    For grade 4 mathematics, the difference was significant, and the adjusted school
    mean was higher for public schools. Only for grade 8 reading was the difference still significant with a higher school mean for private schools. For all four analyses, with student characteristics such as gender and race/ethnicity incorporated in the model, the inclusion of school characteristics (e.g., teacher experience, type of school location, school size) had little impact on the estimate of the average difference between the two types of schools.

    Variance decompositions yielded similar results for the four grade-subject combinations. Most of the total variance was due to heterogeneity among students
    within schools rather than heterogeneity among school mean scores. The combination of selected student and school characteristics accounted for about one-third of the total variance for grade 4 and about two-fifths of the total variance for grade 8.

    https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2006461.aspx


    Private schools do better, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. This is settled.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 10 11:51:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 10/5/25 8:21, Lou Bricano wrote:
    It's only a worthwhile investment if it yields a return.

    What use is a newborn baby?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 10 18:55:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:jaKTP.318951$ujgb.26367@fx15.iad:

    On 5/8/2025 11:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vviph8$202m0$1@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:vviog3$1vkn4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 8/5/25 8:12, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:

    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:
    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who
    are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better >>>>>>>>> and richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free
    college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.


    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?


    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an
    educated populace.


    Republicans led by Reagan realise an educated populace demands an
    intelligent governance.

    idjt is attacking universities because their students do not fall
    for the usual fear and hate that Republicans exploit.

    Actually, seems to me that Democrats are pushing people to go to
    college and to take degrees based on their desires,


    What is wrong with people pursuing
    further education in their desired field?

    There's nothing inherently wrong with it, but if they borrowed money
    for it with an expectation of landing a highly remunerated job that
    doesn't materialize, they're going to have a hard time paying back the
    loans, and they should not expect taxpayers' help.



    Why should anyone have to borrow
    money to go to a public college?



    Like Bugster, you think university education should be "free" for
    students.


    That's right. Just like high school, an
    educated public benefits the whole country.


    It isn't, and it likely never will be in the U.S. Americans
    who wish to attend university just have to expect to pay for it
    themselves. Cry all you want about how you think things "ought" to be
    — they just aren't that way.


    When I was growiing up childred of
    your average postman or gas station owner
    could go to State U without going into
    crippling debt. And college grads could
    get married and start families without
    having to pay off enormous college debts
    first. Even Sarah Palin could bounce
    around from public college to public
    college during the Reagan yeas without
    being bankrupted by college loans.



    literature, gender
    studies, advanced basket weaving, not technical courses that
    actually require you to work and learn but which offer superior
    income once you have a degree. Then when these liberal arts majors
    get out at find their degree is worthless..


    No college education is worthless.

    It is an investment in yourself,
    something no one can take away.

    It's only a worthwhile investment if it yields a return.


    Why does education need a measureable "return"?

    The purpose of education is to get educated.


    If you
    "invest" in a four year (or longer) degree with the expectation of
    finding work in the field you studied, and then you can't find any
    work in that field, then the investment was squandered.


    If you think the only purpose of education
    is job training you are missing the point. Talk
    to all the retirees going to college.

    https://www.kiplinger.com/retirement/happy-retirement/why-retirees-are- going-back-to-college



    If invest your
    fortune into a company making buggy whips or horseshoes or some other
    product that is obsolete and no longer in demand, you've wasted your
    money. If you borrowed the money, now you're well and truly fucked.


    When I was in college computer science
    "geeks" could be identified by the shoe boxes
    of punch cards they carried around. By the time
    they graduated all that training was obsolete.
    I remember X-Ray technitions being told their
    year of training was useless, MRI and C-Scan
    skills were all employers wanted now.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 10 20:40:09 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie
    liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are >>>>>>>> citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and
    richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school students tend
    to perform better on standardized tests.

    And that's misleading information. Those private schools selected the
    students most likely to perform and turn away students that more
    resources. Public schools have to take everybody.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 10 20:36:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just
    anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in addition.
    Why did that have to end? It helped to make the US the world's leading superpower.

    The stupidity is in being unable to see the benefit of an educated
    populace.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 10 16:18:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/25 11:59, Lou Bricano wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 7:58 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie
    liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvmfeh$3abbu$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie
    liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad: >>>>>>> On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are >>>>>>>>>> citizens of the EU/EEA.  The US is supposed to be better and >>>>>>>>>> richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the >>>>>>> proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated >>>>>> populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students? >>>>>
    They don't.  Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    <https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-public
    -school>


    ===============
    The Private School Myth
    No, Bugster, you stupid commie liar — *this*:

    Comparing Private Schools and Public Schools Using Hierarchical Linear Modeling

    Executive Summary

    The goal of the study was to examine differences in mean National
    Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) reading and mathematics scores between public and private schools when selected characteristics of
    students and/or schools were taken into account. Among the student characteristics considered were gender, race/ethnicity, disability
    status, and identification as an English language learner. Among the
    school characteristics considered were school size and location, and composition of the student body and of the teaching staff. In
    particular, if the student populations enrolled in the two types of
    schools differed systematically with respect to background
    characteristics related to achievement, then those differences would be confounded with straightforward comparisons between school types.

    The present report examined results from the 2003 NAEP assessments in
    reading and mathematics for grades 4 and 8. NAEP draws nationally representative samples of schools and students. In 2003, over 6,900
    public schools and over 530 private schools participated in the grade 4 assessments. Over 5,500 public schools and over 550 private schools participated in the grade 8 assessments.

    Hierarchical linear models (HLMs) were employed to carry out the desired adjustments. HLMs were a natural choice because they accommodate the
    nested structure of the data (i.e., students clustered within schools)
    and facilitate the inclusion of variables derived from student and
    school characteristics. In this study, the focal parameter was the mean difference between mean NAEP scores for two populations of schools.
    (This difference was not identical to the difference in mean scores
    between the two student populations, though the discrepancy was
    typically small.) HLMs were used to compare all private schools to all
    public schools, as well as to compare, separately, certain categories of private schools (i.e., those for which sample sizes were sufficient to
    report reliable estimates) to all public schools. Statistical
    significance was determined at the .05 level using t tests on model
    results.

    Results from Grade 4
    Reading

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were compared to all
    public schools. The average private school mean reading score was 14.7
    points higher than the average public school mean reading score, corresponding to an effect size of .41 (the ratio of the absolute value
    of the estimated difference to the standard deviation of the NAEP fourth-grade reading score distribution). After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was near zero and not significant. In the second set of analyses, Catholic schools and
    Lutheran schools were each compared to all public schools. The results,
    both with and without adjustments, were similar to the corresponding
    results for all private schools.

    "not significant"

    Mathematics

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were again compared to
    all public schools. The average private school mean mathematics score
    was 7.8 points higher than the average public school mean mathematics
    score, corresponding to an effect size of .29. After adjusting for
    selected student characteristics, the difference in means was -4.5 and significantly different from zero. (Note that a negative difference
    implies that the average school mean was higher for public schools.) In
    the second set, Catholic schools and Lutheran schools were each compared
    to all public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments,
    were similar to the corresponding results for all private schools.

    "results, both with and without adjustments, were similar..."

    Results From Grade 8
    Reading

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were compared to all
    public schools. The average private school mean reading score was 18.1
    points higher than the average public school mean reading score, corresponding to an effect size of .58. After adjusting for selected
    student characteristics, the difference in means was 7.3 points and significantly different from zero. In the second set, Catholic,
    Lutheran, and Conservative Christian schools were each compared to all
    public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments, were generally similar to the corresponding results for all private schools.
    The only exception was that the average difference in adjusted school
    mean scores between Conservative Christian schools and all public
    schools was not significantly different from zero.

    "results, both with and without adjustments, were generally similar...
    ...only exception was that [A vs B] was not significantly different..."


    Mathematics

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were again compared to
    all public schools. The average private school mean mathematics score
    was 12.3 points higher than the average public school mean mathematics
    score, corresponding to an effect size of .38. After adjusting for
    selected student characteristics, the difference in means was nearly
    zero and not significant. In the second set, Catholic, Lutheran, and Conservative Christian schools were each compared to all public schools. While the results for Catholic schools, both with and without
    adjustments, were very similar to the corresponding results for all
    private schools, the results for the other two types differed.

    "...difference in means was nearly zero and not significant."


    The initial difference between Lutheran schools and all public schools
    was substantially larger (19.5 points) than was the case for all private schools. The average difference in adjusted mean mathematics scores
    between the two types of schools was 4.9 points and significantly
    different from zero. On the other hand, the initial difference between Conservative Christian schools and all public schools was substantially smaller (5.1 points) and not significant. The average difference in
    adjusted school means between Conservative Christian schools and all
    public schools was -7.6 points (i.e., a higher average school mean for
    public schools) and was significantly different from zero.

    "...initial difference...was...not significant.

    "...average difference in adjusted school means between Conservative
    Christian schools and all public schools was -7.6 points (i.e., a higher average school mean for public schools) and was significantly different..."

    (Translation: statistically significant public > private)


    Comparison of Results for Grade 4 and Grade 8

    Overall, there were many similarities in the results for the two grades.
    In both reading and mathematics, analyses employing unadjusted NAEP
    scores indicated that the average private school mean score was higher
    than the average public school mean score, and the difference was statistically significant. Including selected student characteristics in
    the model, however, resulted in a substantial reduction in the
    difference in all four analyses. The reduction varied from 11 to 15
    score points. For grade 4 reading and grade 8 mathematics, the average difference in adjusted school mean scores was no longer significant. For grade 4 mathematics, the difference was significant, and the adjusted
    school mean was higher for public schools. Only for grade 8 reading was
    the difference still significant with a higher school mean for private schools. For all four analyses, with student characteristics such as
    gender and race/ethnicity incorporated in the model, the inclusion of
    school characteristics (e.g., teacher experience, type of school
    location, school size) had little impact on the estimate of the average difference between the two types of schools.

    "For all four analyses...type of school...had little impact on the
    estimate of the average difference..."

    (Translation: some higher, some lower).



    Variance decompositions yielded similar results for the four grade-
    subject combinations. Most of the total variance was due to
    heterogeneity among students within schools rather than heterogeneity
    among school mean scores.


    Translation: differences between school types was in the noise.


    The combination of selected student and school
    characteristics accounted for about one-third of the total variance for
    grade 4 and about two-fifths of the total variance for grade 8.

    https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2006461.aspx


    Private schools do better, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. This
    is settled.

    Not true, according to the source that you personally chose to cite.



    -hh

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 10 20:41:28 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows
    up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the scores.
    The same group of students will achieve the same performance whether
    in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you have
    posted shows that.

    Liar, liar pants on fire!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 10 18:05:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie
    liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad: >>>>>> On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who are >>>>>>>>> citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better and >>>>>>>>> richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not the
    proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an educated
    populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school students tend
    to perform better on standardized tests.

    And that's misleading information.

    No, Bugster, it isn't. You just don't like it because you're a goddamned commie liar, and it upsets you. But it's factual: private school students outperform public school students on all measures of academic achievement.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 10 18:08:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools. >>>>>> Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows
    up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the scores.
    The same group of students will achieve the same performance whether
    in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you have
    posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body composition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 10 18:07:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:XJKTP.52809$sF35.50984@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:58 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvmfeh$3abbu$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie
    liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Baxter wrote:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who >>>>>>>>>>> are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better >>>>>>>>>>> and richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free
    college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not
    the proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an
    educated populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    <https://www.usnews.com/education/k12/articles/private-school-vs-publ
    ic -school>


    ===============
    The Private School Myth
    No, Bugster, you stupid commie liar — *this*:

    Restore:

    Comparing Private Schools and Public Schools Using Hierarchical Linear Modeling

    Executive Summary

    The goal of the study was to examine differences in mean National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) reading and mathematics scores between public and private schools when selected characteristics of students and/or schools were taken into account. Among the student characteristics considered were gender, race/ethnicity, disability status, and identification as an English language learner. Among the school characteristics considered were school size and location, and composition of the student body and of the teaching staff. In particular, if the student populations enrolled in the two types of schools differed systematically with respect to background characteristics related to achievement, then those differences would be confounded with straightforward comparisons between school types.

    The present report examined results from the 2003 NAEP assessments in reading and mathematics for grades 4 and 8. NAEP draws nationally representative samples
    of schools and students. In 2003, over 6,900 public schools and over 530 private
    schools participated in the grade 4 assessments. Over 5,500 public schools and over 550 private schools participated in the grade 8 assessments.

    Hierarchical linear models (HLMs) were employed to carry out the desired adjustments. HLMs were a natural choice because they accommodate the nested structure of the data (i.e., students clustered within schools) and facilitate the inclusion of variables derived from student and school characteristics. In this study, the focal parameter was the mean difference between mean NAEP scores
    for two populations of schools. (This difference was not identical to the difference in mean scores between the two student populations, though the discrepancy was typically small.) HLMs were used to compare all private schools to all public schools, as well as to compare, separately, certain categories of private schools (i.e., those for which sample sizes were sufficient to report reliable estimates) to all public schools. Statistical significance was determined at the .05 level using t tests on model results.

    Results from Grade 4
    Reading

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were compared to all public schools. The average private school mean reading score was 14.7 points higher than the average public school mean reading score, corresponding to an effect size of .41 (the ratio of the absolute value of the estimated difference to the standard deviation of the NAEP fourth-grade reading score distribution). After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was near
    zero and not significant. In the second set of analyses, Catholic schools and Lutheran schools were each compared to all public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments, were similar to the corresponding results for all private schools.
    Mathematics

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were again compared to all public schools. The average private school mean mathematics score was 7.8 points
    higher than the average public school mean mathematics score, corresponding to an effect size of .29. After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the
    difference in means was -4.5 and significantly different from zero. (Note that a
    negative difference implies that the average school mean was higher for public schools.) In the second set, Catholic schools and Lutheran schools were each compared to all public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments, were similar to the corresponding results for all private schools.

    Results From Grade 8
    Reading

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were compared to all public schools. The average private school mean reading score was 18.1 points higher than the average public school mean reading score, corresponding to an effect size of .58. After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was 7.3 points and significantly different from zero. In the
    second set, Catholic, Lutheran, and Conservative Christian schools were each compared to all public schools. The results, both with and without adjustments, were generally similar to the corresponding results for all private schools. The
    only exception was that the average difference in adjusted school mean scores between Conservative Christian schools and all public schools was not significantly different from zero.
    Mathematics

    In the first set of analyses, all private schools were again compared to all public schools. The average private school mean mathematics score was 12.3 points higher than the average public school mean mathematics score, corresponding to an effect size of .38. After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was nearly zero and not significant. In
    the second set, Catholic, Lutheran, and Conservative Christian schools were each
    compared to all public schools. While the results for Catholic schools, both with and without adjustments, were very similar to the corresponding results for
    all private schools, the results for the other two types differed.

    The initial difference between Lutheran schools and all public schools was substantially larger (19.5 points) than was the case for all private schools. The average difference in adjusted mean mathematics scores between the two types
    of schools was 4.9 points and significantly different from zero. On the other hand, the initial difference between Conservative Christian schools and all public schools was substantially smaller (5.1 points) and not significant. The average difference in adjusted school means between Conservative Christian schools and all public schools was -7.6 points (i.e., a higher average school mean for public schools) and was significantly different from zero.

    Comparison of Results for Grade 4 and Grade 8

    Overall, there were many similarities in the results for the two grades. In both
    reading and mathematics, analyses employing unadjusted NAEP scores indicated that the average private school mean score was higher than the average public school mean score, and the difference was statistically significant. Including selected student characteristics in the model, however, resulted in a substantial reduction in the difference in all four analyses. The reduction varied from 11 to 15 score points. For grade 4 reading and grade 8 mathematics, the average difference in adjusted school mean scores was no longer significant.
    For grade 4 mathematics, the difference was significant, and the adjusted school
    mean was higher for public schools. Only for grade 8 reading was the difference still significant with a higher school mean for private schools. For all four analyses, with student characteristics such as gender and race/ethnicity incorporated in the model, the inclusion of school characteristics (e.g., teacher experience, type of school location, school size) had little impact on the estimate of the average difference between the two types of schools.

    Variance decompositions yielded similar results for the four grade-subject combinations. Most of the total variance was due to heterogeneity among students
    within schools rather than heterogeneity among school mean scores. The combination of selected student and school characteristics accounted for about one-third of the total variance for grade 4 and about two-fifths of the total variance for grade 8.

    https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2006461.aspx


    Private schools do better, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. This is settled.



    It's already been explained to you

    Nothing was "explained", Bugster, you fucking commie liar. All you did was post some proggie commie propaganda that the *real* research demolishes.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sat May 10 19:44:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 10/5/25 18:08, Lou Bricano wrote:
    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    Are private schools required to accept autistics, fetal
    alcoholic? Born deaf? Born blind?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 02:50:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:82fv1kt6sithcq7nahjmvov5sosuikouft@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in
    addition. Why did that have to end?

    That shit costs money we haven't got. What the fuck is wrong with you?


    So much then for "the richest nation on the planet'. Seems other nations
    DO have money for free or low-cost college.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 02:56:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:XJSTP.165917$lbbb.59685@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who >>>>>>>>>> are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better >>>>>>>>>> and richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free
    college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not
    the proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an
    educated populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school students
    tend to perform better on standardized tests.

    And that's misleading information.

    No, Bugster, it isn't. You just don't like it because you're a
    goddamned commie liar, and it upsets you. But it's factual: private
    school students outperform public school students on all measures of
    academic achievement.


    You insist on parading your stupidity. Students performing better on
    tests is NOT proof that the *school* is better - rather, that the pool of students is better.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 02:57:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows
    up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the scores.
    The same group of students will achieve the same performance
    whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you have
    posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie Putin,
    commie Russia.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Sun May 11 03:00:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvp2tv$3vh6s$2@dont-
    email.me:

    On 10/5/25 18:08, Lou Bricano wrote:
    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    Are private schools required to accept autistics, fetal
    alcoholic? Born deaf? Born blind?


    A private school drawing from families of pro footballers, is going to have
    a better football team than a private school that draws from general public
    and includes nerds.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 10 20:19:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 1:36 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just
    anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in addition.

    It paid for *some* of that, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar, but not all.

    Why did that have to end?

    It didn't end, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. The GI Bill is still in effect today.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 10 20:16:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 7:56 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:XJSTP.165917$lbbb.59685@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>>>>> commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who >>>>>>>>>>> are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be better >>>>>>>>>>> and richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer free
    college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not
    the proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an
    educated populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school students
    tend to perform better on standardized tests.

    And that's misleading information.

    No, Bugster, it isn't. You just don't like it because you're a
    goddamned commie liar, and it upsets you. But it's factual: private
    school students outperform public school students on all measures of
    academic achievement.


    You insist on

    kicking your lying fucking commie ass. Yes.

    Students performing better on
    tests is NOT proof that the *school* is better

    It's proof that the students coming out of private schools perform better on *every* measure of performance than the students from public school, contrary to
    your lie. You claimed that public schools educate pupils better than private schools. The evidence says you're a bullshit liar, which you are — a bullshit commie fucking liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 08:16:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows >>>>>>> up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the scores.
    The same group of students will achieve the same performance
    whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you have
    posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie Putin,
    commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, commie Russia, commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 15:44:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:2EUTP.187969$lK62.169442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:56 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:XJSTP.165917$lbbb.59685@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively
    stupid commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>>>>>> commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students who >>>>>>>>>>>> are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be
    better and richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer >>>>>>>>>>>> free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is not >>>>>>>>> the proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an
    educated populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school students
    tend to perform better on standardized tests.

    And that's misleading information.

    No, Bugster, it isn't. You just don't like it because you're a
    goddamned commie liar, and it upsets you. But it's factual: private
    school students outperform public school students on all measures of
    academic achievement.


    You insist on

    kicking your lying fucking commie ass. Yes.

    Students performing better on
    tests is NOT proof that the *school* is better

    It's proof that the students coming out of private schools perform
    better on *every* measure of performance than the students from public school,

    Which does not tell you WHY. You want us to believe it's the school, but
    you have NO PROOF whatever for that.


    contrary to your lie. You claimed that public schools educate
    pupils better than private schools. The evidence says you're a
    bullshit liar, which you are — a bullshit commie fucking liar.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 15:45:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:qHUTP.128263$dgta.107879@fx33.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:36 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just
    anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in
    addition.

    It paid for *some* of that, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar,
    but not all.

    Why did that have to end?

    It didn't end, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. The GI Bill is
    still in effect today.


    So millions are being paid to go to college in the US?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun May 11 15:50:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:unl02kpe784n58cn8vpnpl3c5r0v5odf4i@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 20:36:58 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just
    anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in
    addition. Why did that have to end? It helped to make the US the
    world's leading superpower.

    The stupidity is in being unable to see the benefit of an educated >>populace.

    Did the GI Bill cover trade and vocational schools or higher learning
    also?


    I went to an Electronics school, it taught computer programming too. many
    of the student body there talked disparagingly of those who were just
    there for the GI Bill money and not actually interested in learning.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 15:52:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:01312k9a9r3rglr8i7l7pc3s8apum0smqh@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in >>news:82fv1kt6sithcq7nahjmvov5sosuikouft@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in >>>>addition. Why did that have to end?

    That shit costs money we haven't got. What the fuck is wrong with
    you?


    So much then for "the richest nation on the planet'. Seems other
    nations DO have money for free or low-cost college.

    Thanks for admitting that I'm correct when I say we don't have the
    money. Did you just figure this out?


    So we're actually a poor 3rd Word country lying about being rich and
    being exceptional.

    A nation of liars.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 09:40:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/11/2025 8:45 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:qHUTP.128263$dgta.107879@fx33.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:36 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just
    anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in
    addition.

    It paid for *some* of that, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar,
    but not all.

    Why did that have to end?

    It didn't end, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. The GI Bill is
    still in effect today.


    So millions are being paid to go to college in the US?

    No, Bugster, they're not being "paid to go to college," and it's not "millions."
    There are between 500,000 and 1,000,000 college students currently receiving GI bill benefits. Few veterans receive enough GI bill benefit to cover 100% of their tuition and fees, although some do.

    You didn't even know the GI Bill still exists. That's because you're willfully and aggressively stupid, Bugster, and you always will be.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 09:41:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/10/2025 8:00 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvp2tv$3vh6s$2@dont-
    email.me:

    On 10/5/25 18:08, Lou Bricano wrote:
    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    Are private schools required to accept autistics, fetal
    alcoholic? Born deaf? Born blind?


    A private school drawing from families of pro footballers,

    That has never happened, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sun May 11 17:36:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who
    shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie Putin,
    commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.



    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when Russian
    asset tRump took over.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sun May 11 19:00:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who
    shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie Putin,
    commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, commie Russia, commie Xi, commie China,


    Conservatives hate China.

    But buy Trump Bibles made in China
    But buy Trump coins made in China
    But buy Trump sneakers made in China
    But buy Trump campaign gear made in China
    But buy Trump watches made in China

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 19:03:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in news:v7p12kl8p5edjh15f41phvbctops7j4471 @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:01312k9a9r3rglr8i7l7pc3s8apum0smqh@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> >>>>wrote in

    news:82fv1kt6sithcq7nahjmvov5sosuikouft@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in >>>>>>addition. Why did that have to end?

    That shit costs money we haven't got. What the fuck is wrong with
    you?


    So much then for "the richest nation on the planet'. Seems other >>>>nations DO have money for free or low-cost college.

    Thanks for admitting that I'm correct when I say we don't have the
    money. Did you just figure this out?


    So we're actually a poor 3rd Word country lying about being rich and
    being exceptional.

    A nation of liars.

    Baxter thinks we have no national debt and have plenty of money. This
    is typical of leftists quaffing the kool aid and think we should be
    sending tranny comics to Peru.



    National debt?



    President Trump's Impact on the National Debt
    October 15, 2020

    When President Trump took office in
    January 2017, the national debt stood
    at $19.9 trillion. In October 2020,
    the national debt reached a new high
    of $27 trillion. That's an increase
    of almost 36% in less than four years.

    https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 12:01:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>> schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who
    shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie Putin,
    commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, commie
    Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when Russian
    asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the Democrats.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hedley@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 12:57:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/11/2025 9:41 AM, Lou Bricano wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie
    liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't.  Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>> schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who shows >>>>>>>> up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ???    = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the scores. >>>>>> The same group of students will achieve the same performance
    whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you have
    posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a goddamned
    fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're fucking stupid.

    He's a commie and voted for Trump???

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hedley@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 11 13:04:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/11/2025 8:45 AM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:qHUTP.128263$dgta.107879@fx33.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:36 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just
    anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in
    addition.

    It paid for *some* of that, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar,
    but not all.

    Why did that have to end?

    It didn't end, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. The GI Bill is
    still in effect today.


    So millions are being paid to go to college in the US?

    If someone offers their life for their country they should be rewarded
    in some way when they survive.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 20:12:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:oq4UP.97879$7ja6.37479@fx45.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 8:44 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:2EUTP.187969$lK62.169442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:56 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:XJSTP.165917$lbbb.59685@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and >>>>>>>>> aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better and richer than Europe, so why can't the US offer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy.

    How about because offering "free" university education is >>>>>>>>>>> not the proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an >>>>>>>>>> educated populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school
    students tend to perform better on standardized tests.

    And that's misleading information.

    No, Bugster, it isn't. You just don't like it because you're a
    goddamned commie liar, and it upsets you. But it's factual:
    private school students outperform public school students on all
    measures of academic achievement.


    You insist on

    kicking your lying fucking commie ass. Yes.

    Students performing better on
    tests is NOT proof that the *school* is better

    It's proof that the students coming out of private schools perform
    better on *every* measure of performance than the students from
    public school,

    Which does not tell you WHY.

    That's not what you've been bullshitting about, Bugster, you stupid
    fucking commie liar. You've been saying — *lying* — that pupils
    from private schools don't show better academic performance than those
    from public schools. Now, you're admitting that they *do*, but you're quibbling about not knowing "why" they do. But at least you're
    admitting now that they do.

    The WHY is not a quibble. By throwing out 'doing better on standardized
    test scores, you're implying that private school is Causation. It's not - private school is corrolation.

    And you're moving the goal posts from 'doing better on standarized
    tests' to "better academic performance". Those not the same thing.

    You're stupid, Bugster — willfully and aggressively stupid.

    Not nearly as stupid and dishonest as you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 20:15:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:vq4UP.97880$7ja6.69569@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:00 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvp2tv$3vh6s$2@dont-
    email.me:

    On 10/5/25 18:08, Lou Bricano wrote:
    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    Are private schools required to accept autistics, fetal
    alcoholic? Born deaf? Born blind?


    A private school drawing from families of pro footballers,

    That has never happened, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.

    But students in private schools DO NOT reflect the general populace.

    You keep comparing apples to oranges.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 11 13:47:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/11/2025 1:19 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:Eq4UP.97881$7ja6.34658@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>> schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who
    shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a goddamned
    fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're fucking stupid.


    Well, commie fits

    *you*, Bugster, you goddamned stupid fucking commie liar. You *are* a fucking commie. You hate private property and private enterprise and want the state to control and do everything.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sun May 11 20:21:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>>> schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who >>>>>>>>>> shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie Putin,
    commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin,
    commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump-
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February,
    2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when Russian
    asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the
    Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Sun May 11 20:19:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:Eq4UP.97881$7ja6.34658@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who
    shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a goddamned
    fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're fucking stupid.


    Well, commie fits YOUR radical conservaturd Dark Ages stupidity.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to hedley on Sun May 11 23:56:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-11, hedley <info@suse.org> wrote:
    On 5/11/2025 8:45 AM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:qHUTP.128263$dgta.107879@fx33.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:36 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just >>>>> anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in
    addition.

    It paid for *some* of that, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar,
    but not all.

    Why did that have to end?

    It didn't end, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. The GI Bill is
    still in effect today.


    So millions are being paid to go to college in the US?

    If someone offers their life for their country they should be rewarded
    in some way when they survive.

    Indeed.
    That's why it pisses me off when I see veterans suffering alone on the streets or in flophouses while illegal migrants are given cell phones, cloths, a monthly allowance,
    and are staying in 4 star hotels.

    It's disgusting.
    It's not American as well.

    Welcome to the democrat party and their "America Last Program".

    The party of Satan is more concerned with the rights of an MS-13 gang member than they are
    with veteran Johnny Hayseed who is wandering the streets of NYC because he suffers from
    PTSD.






    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 11 23:59:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-11, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:vq4UP.97880$7ja6.69569@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:00 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvp2tv$3vh6s$2@dont-
    email.me:

    On 10/5/25 18:08, Lou Bricano wrote:
    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    Are private schools required to accept autistics, fetal
    alcoholic? Born deaf? Born blind?


    A private school drawing from families of pro footballers,

    That has never happened, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.

    But students in private schools DO NOT reflect the general populace.

    You keep comparing apples to oranges.


    Would you like to discuss Public Schooling vs Home Schooling?
    ROTFLMAO!



    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 00:30:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively
    stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who >>>>>>>>>>>> shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the >>>>>>>>>> scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you >>>>>>>>> have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie
    Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin,
    commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump-
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February,
    2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when
    Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the
    Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are NO
    actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds rant
    about.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 12 00:36:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:E18UP.350345$ujgb.30462@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:15 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:vq4UP.97880$7ja6.69569@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:00 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:vvp2tv$3vh6s$2@dont-
    email.me:

    On 10/5/25 18:08, Lou Bricano wrote:
    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.

    Are private schools required to accept autistics, fetal
    alcoholic? Born deaf? Born blind?


    A private school drawing from families of pro footballers,

    That has never happened, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.

    But students in private schools DO NOT reflect the general populace.

    Red herring.

    Nope.

    In Algebra: if A=B, then B=A

    In this discussion, if private schools are causation of students higher scoring, then students that scored higher would be students at only
    private schools.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 12 00:32:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:t18UP.350335$ujgb.15305@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:19 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Eq4UP.97881$7ja6.34658@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>>> schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who >>>>>>>>>> shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a goddamned
    fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're fucking
    stupid.


    Well, commie fits

    *you*, Bugster, you goddamned stupid fucking commie liar. You *are* a
    fucking commie. You hate private property and private enterprise and
    want the state to control and do everything.


    Whoosh!! Right off the cliff you go!. Actually it's kind of entertaining
    to hear you bouncing off the sides of the rabbit hole you've fallen into.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun May 11 17:37:28 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 11/5/25 16:56, pothead wrote:
    or in flophouses while illegal migrants are given cell phones, cloths, a monthly allowance,
    and are staying in 4 star hotels.

    As soon as they get their asylum hearing they can be deported if
    asylum is denied. Republicans block hiring enough judges. idjt
    removes existing judges. You want this as a reason to overturn
    the Constitution.

    The party of Satan is more concerned with the rights of an MS-13 gang member than they are
    with veteran Johnny Hayseed who is wandering the streets of NYC because he suffers from
    PTSD.

    Who is preaching empathy is evil?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Mon May 12 00:39:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:L18UP.350353$ujgb.57167@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:12 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:oq4UP.97879$7ja6.37479@fx45.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 8:44 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:2EUTP.187969$lK62.169442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:56 PM,Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:XJSTP.165917$lbbb.59685@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively
    stupid commie liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and >>>>>>>>>>> aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be better and richer than Europe, so why can't the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy. >>>>>>>>>>>
    How about because offering "free" university education is >>>>>>>>>>>>> not the proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an >>>>>>>>>>>> educated populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily >>>>>>>>> debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school
    students tend to perform better on standardized tests. >>>>>>>>
    And that's misleading information.

    No, Bugster, it isn't. You just don't like it because you're a
    goddamned commie liar, and it upsets you. But it's factual:
    private school students outperform public school students on all >>>>>>> measures of academic achievement.


    You insist on

    kicking your lying fucking commie ass. Yes.

    Students performing better on
    tests is NOT proof that the *school* is better

    It's proof that the students coming out of private schools perform
    better on *every* measure of performance than the students from
    public school,

    Which does not tell you WHY.

    That's not what you've been bullshitting about, Bugster, you stupid
    fucking commie liar. You've been saying — *lying* — that pupils
    from private schools don't show better academic performance than
    those from public schools. Now, you're admitting that they *do*, but
    you're quibbling about not knowing "why" they do. But at least
    you're admitting now that they do.

    The WHY is not a quibble.

    It is, when you previously were *lying* and saying they don't do
    better. It's your attempt to avoid acknowledging that you were
    *lying*.

    You keep twisting what I've been saying - I've never disputed that the
    STUDENTS didn't score better, I dispute the claim that they score higher
    solely BECAUSE they're private school students.



    And you're moving the goal posts from 'doing better on standarized
    tests' to "better academic performance".

    One and the same, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From brahmas@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 04:14:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 11 May 2025, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> posted some news:vvrfrj$ncvt$3@dont-email.me:

    On 11/5/25 16:56, pothead wrote:
    or in flophouses while illegal migrants are given cell phones,
    cloths, a monthly allowance, and are staying in 4 star hotels.

    As soon as they get their asylum hearing they can be deported if
    asylum is denied. Republicans block hiring enough judges. idjt
    removes existing judges. You want this as a reason to overturn
    the Constitution.

    Why was Biden giving them phones and turning them loose without a
    hearing then? Was Mayorkas not doing his job?

    "The total number of Biden Article III judgeship nominees confirmed by
    the United States Senate was 235, including one associate justice of
    the Supreme Court of the United States, 45 judges for the United States
    courts of appeals, 187 judges for the United States district courts and
    two judges for the United States .

    The party of Satan is more concerned with the rights of an MS-13 gang
    member than they are with veteran Johnny Hayseed who is wandering the
    streets of NYC because he suffers from PTSD.

    Who is preaching empathy is evil?

    Democrats, unless it fits their anti-American agenda.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to brahmas on Sun May 11 21:23:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 11/5/25 21:14, brahmas wrote:
    As soon as they get their asylum hearing they can be deported if
    asylum is denied. Republicans block hiring enough judges. idjt
    removes existing judges. You want this as a reason to overturn
    the Constitution.
    Why was Biden giving them phones and turning them loose without a
    hearing then? Was Mayorkas not doing his job?

    The Constitution forbids indefinite detention.

    "The total number of Biden Article III judgeship nominees confirmed by
    the United States Senate was 235, including one associate justice of
    the Supreme Court of the United States, 45 judges for the United States courts of appeals, 187 judges for the United States district courts and
    two judges for the United States .

    Immigration judges are not Article 3 judges. They are part of
    DoJ. They cheaper to hire and employ. But they still have to be
    paid, and Republicans in Congress refuse to spend the money.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 17:55:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/11/2025 5:32 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:t18UP.350335$ujgb.15305@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:19 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Eq4UP.97881$7ja6.34658@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who >>>>>>>>>>> shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you >>>>>>>> have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a goddamned
    fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're fucking
    stupid.


    Well, commie fits

    *you*, Bugster, you goddamned stupid fucking commie liar. You *are* a
    fucking commie. You hate private property and private enterprise and
    want the state to control and do everything.


    Whoosh!! Right off the cliff you go!.

    Nope. I described you to a T, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Everything I said about you, including you being willfully and aggressively stupid, is true.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to I haven't "twisted" anything you've on Mon May 12 17:55:41 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/11/2025 5:39 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:L18UP.350353$ujgb.57167@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:12 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:oq4UP.97879$7ja6.37479@fx45.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 8:44 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:2EUTP.187969$lK62.169442@fx13.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:56 PM,Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:XJSTP.165917$lbbb.59685@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:40 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:fHKTP.52808$sF35.19632@fx11.iad:

    On 5/9/2025 7:54 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively
    stupid commie liar, lied:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvmehm$3a5i8$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvihl5$1t4sv$1@dont-email.me, Bugster, willfully and >>>>>>>>>>>> aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:HqOSP.819$lK62.442@fx13.iad:
    On 5/6/2025 2:24 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvdude$3qe2g$4@dont- email.me:
    On 6/5/25 13:44, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:

    Universities in Norway offer free education to students >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are citizens of the EU/EEA. The US is supposed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be better and richer than Europe, so why can't the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer free college?

    Because students protested against Reagan.

    More likely because capitalists/conservturds are greedy. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    How about because offering "free" university education is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the proper role of government?

    Several European governments disagree with you.

    And any logic would show that the government would want an >>>>>>>>>>>>> educated populace.

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private
    schools.
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily >>>>>>>>>> debunked lies, Bugster?

    Research has consistently shown that private school >>>>>>>>>> students tend to perform better on standardized tests. >>>>>>>>>
    And that's misleading information.

    No, Bugster, it isn't. You just don't like it because you're a >>>>>>>> goddamned commie liar, and it upsets you. But it's factual:
    private school students outperform public school students on all >>>>>>>> measures of academic achievement.


    You insist on

    kicking your lying fucking commie ass. Yes.

    Students performing better on
    tests is NOT proof that the *school* is better

    It's proof that the students coming out of private schools perform >>>>>> better on *every* measure of performance than the students from
    public school,

    Which does not tell you WHY.

    That's not what you've been bullshitting about, Bugster, you stupid
    fucking commie liar. You've been saying — *lying* — that pupils
    from private schools don't show better academic performance than
    those from public schools. Now, you're admitting that they *do*, but
    you're quibbling about not knowing "why" they do. But at least
    you're admitting now that they do.

    The WHY is not a quibble.

    It is, when you previously were *lying* and saying they don't do
    better. It's your attempt to avoid acknowledging that you were
    *lying*.

    You keep twisting what I've been saying

    I haven't "twisted" anything you've said, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.

    I've never disputed that the STUDENTS didn't score better,

    That's a lie, Bugster.

    Oozing scarlet red maxipad:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated students?

    Bugster the stupid lying commie:
    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Lou Bricano:
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily debunked lies,
    Bugster? Research has consistently shown that private school students tend to
    perform better on standardized tests.

    Bugster the stupid lying commie:
    And that's misleading information.

    I dispute the claim that they score higher solely BECAUSE they're private school students.

    You don't have any *other* explanation, Bugster, you stupid lying commmie.




    And you're moving the goal posts from 'doing better on standarized
    tests' to "better academic performance".

    One and the same, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.

    No goal post move, Bugster. You lied, *again*.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 20:41:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvqgvn$h099$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:unl02kpe784n58cn8vpnpl3c5r0v5odf4i@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 10 May 2025 20:36:58 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:BaKTP.318952$ujgb.254880@fx15.iad:

    Bugster, why do you work so hard at being stupid? The GI Bill is
    *still* active. But that is *not* financial aid for college for just
    anyone, and it does *not* cover the full cost of tuition.

    After WWII, the GI Bill paid for college AND living expenses in
    addition. Why did that have to end? It helped to make the US the
    world's leading superpower.

    The stupidity is in being unable to see the benefit of an educated >>populace.

    Did the GI Bill cover trade and vocational schools or higher learning
    also?


    I went to an Electronics school, it taught computer programming too. many
    of the student body there talked disparagingly of those who were just
    there for the GI Bill money and not actually interested in learning.

    The one crying about it are the ones who never served.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 02:32:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:3a442k98vfko65ul1gfr3f493t63vha5gi@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in
    news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private
    schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone
    who
    shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in
    the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body >>>>>>>>>>> composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie >>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, >>>>>>>>> commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump- >>>>>>>> supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February,
    2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when
    Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the
    Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are NO >>>>>>actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant
    about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes, Democratic
    Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do
    with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?


    You might try:
    - NOT walking like a NAZI,
    - NOT talking like a NAZI
    - NOT acting like a NAZI

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 20:45:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvr0nl$kaea$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:Eq4UP.97881$7ja6.34658@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated >>>>>>>>>>>>> students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>> schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who
    shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The bullshit
    you posted does not say anything about student body composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a goddamned
    fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're fucking stupid.


    Well, commie fits YOUR radical conservaturd Dark Ages stupidity.

    "conservaturd" shows your childish mentality.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 13 02:49:35 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>wrote in >>>>news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock >>>>suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scores. The same group of students will achieve the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same performance whether in private or public schools. >>>>>>>>>
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student >>>>>>>>>>>>> body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie >>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump >>>>>>>>>> - supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are >>>>>>>>NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>>>>>rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they
    still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed in
    the world.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 20:48:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote >>in >>news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> >>wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scores. The same group of students will achieve the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing >>you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body >>>>>>>>>>> composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie >>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, >>>>>>>>> commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump- >>>>>>>> supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February, >>>>>>> 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are NO >>>>>>actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds rant >>>>about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes, Democratic
    Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist fascists"?

    Baxter.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 20:55:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvuavt$1hrff$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:3a442k98vfko65ul1gfr3f493t63vha5gi@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> >>wrote
    in
    news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private
    schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone
    who
    shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in
    the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing >>you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body >>>>>>>>>>> composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie >>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, >>>>>>>>> commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump- >>>>>>>> supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February, >>>>>>> 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are NO >>>>>>actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant
    about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes, Democratic
    Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?


    You might try:
    - NOT walking like a NAZI,
    - NOT talking like a NAZI
    - NOT acting like a NAZI


    Says the fool that doesn't know shit about Nazis.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 13 02:57:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:gMwUP.192028$lK62.30669@fx13.iad:



    Oozing scarlet red maxipad:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    Bugster the stupid lying commie:
    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Lou Bricano:
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster? Research has consistently shown that
    private school students tend to perform better on standardized
    tests.


    Nope, that's not a lie. Public schools successfully educate a wider range
    of students. They educate students that private schools would not and
    could not teach.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 02:53:39 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:5eu42ktvq6olv550s55k1lvmk3og6np6bu@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they >>still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such groups.


    Did they follow the NAZI playbook?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 13 02:59:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:uMwUP.192030$lK62.19400@fx13.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 5:32 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:t18UP.350335$ujgb.15305@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:19 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Eq4UP.97881$7ja6.34658@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively
    stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who >>>>>>>>>>>> shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the >>>>>>>>>> scores. The same group of students will achieve the same
    performance whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you >>>>>>>>> have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a
    goddamned fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're
    fucking stupid.


    Well, commie fits

    *you*, Bugster, you goddamned stupid fucking commie liar. You *are*
    a fucking commie. You hate private property and private enterprise
    and want the state to control and do everything.


    Whoosh!! Right off the cliff you go!.

    Nope. I described you to a T, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Everything I said about you, including you being willfully and
    aggressively stupid, is true.


    The village idiot always thinks he's the smartest person in the village. Brickano is that village idiot - he has bricks in place of a brain.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 13 03:51:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-13, Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote:
    In article <vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock
    suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in
    the scores. The same group of students will achieve the
    same performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student
    body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump
    - supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when
    Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the
    Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are
    NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they
    still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed in
    the world.

    Would you consider a black person who supports Trump a
    Nazi?

    The nazi, dictator, fascist routine failed in November 2024 so one
    would think that the democrats would find a new attack mantra but they have not.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Creon@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Tue May 13 11:38:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    But that's not acceptable to rwnj's either, I guess.

    --
    -c System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
    OS: Linux 6.14.6 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
    "We're lost, but we're making good time."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 07:34:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5eu42ktvq6olv550s55k1lvmk3og6np6bu@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>>with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they >>still
    be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such groups.

    So where they Nazis?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 13 07:35:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvuavt$1hrff$1@dont-email.me...
    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:3a442k98vfko65ul1gfr3f493t63vha5gi@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> >>>wrote
    in
    news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private
    schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone
    who
    shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in
    the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing >>>you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body >>>>>>>>>>>> composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie >>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, >>>>>>>>>> commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump- >>>>>>>>> supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February, >>>>>>>> 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are NO >>>>>>>actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant
    about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes, Democratic
    Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?


    You might try:
    - NOT walking like a NAZI,
    - NOT talking like a NAZI
    - NOT acting like a NAZI

    or disagreeing with your ignorant opinions.. which seems to be all it takes
    to be a Nazi in your book.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 13 07:40:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me...
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote in >>>>>news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock >>>>>suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>><klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim >>>>>>>>>>
    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scores. The same group of students will achieve the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same performance whether in private or public schools. >>>>>>>>>>
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student >>>>>>>>>>>>>> body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE >>>>>>>>>>>>> commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie >>>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump >>>>>>>>>>> - supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/ >>>>>>>>>>
    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela. >>>>>>>>>>
    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are >>>>>>>>>NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>>>>>>rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they
    still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed in
    the world.

    I refer you to the past by Governor Swill admitting to their existence.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 13 07:41:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Skeeter OG" <invalid@none.com> wrote in message news:MPG.428c62ac65683ed98a11d@usnews.blocknews.net...
    In article <vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock
    suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in
    the scores. The same group of students will achieve the
    same performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student
    body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump
    - supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when
    Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the
    Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are
    NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they
    still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed in
    the world.

    Would you consider a black person who supports Trump a
    Nazi?

    Oh.... SNAP... you just pulled his shorts over his head and tied them in a knot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 07:27:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do
    with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    --
    Nice guys finish last.
    -- Leo Durocher

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 13 15:04:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
    ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will achieve
    the same performance whether in private or public
    schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trum
    p- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are
    NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Tue May 13 15:06:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.428c62ac65683ed98a11d@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
    ock suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will
    achieve the same performance whether in private or
    public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-tr
    ump -
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there
    are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that
    conservaturds rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed
    in the world.

    Would you consider a black person who supports Trump a
    Nazi?


    Could be. Clearly, if you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Creon on Tue May 13 12:12:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 13 12:25:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
    ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will achieve
    the same performance whether in private or public
    schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trum
    p- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are
    NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at what antifa stands for

    1) dictatorial leadership (check)
    2) centralized power (check)
    3) militarism (check)
    4) suppression of dissent (check)
    5) rejects the idea of equality and promotes a rigid social hierarchy where some groups or individuals are considered superior to others. (check)
    6) Seeks to control all aspects of society, including the economy, culture,
    and education. (check)
    7) relies on propaganda and manipulative tactics to control the population (check)
    8) opposes democratic principles like freedom of speech, free and fair elections, and rule of law (check)

    in principles, policies, agenda, and action I see no real difference between this group and Nazis, they just assert they have a better reason to engage, impose, promote, advocate, or otherwise carry these things. out.

    Of course, Baxter is sort of a one dimensional thinker and sees only a line, when in reality political views, agendas, methods, etc is a multidimensional grid, and whether you get it by moving right or moving left the result is
    the same only the excuses for doing it are different.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 13 12:27:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvvn52$1sqc6$2@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.428c62ac65683ed98a11d@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
    ock suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will
    achieve the same performance whether in private or
    public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-tr
    ump -
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there
    are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that
    conservaturds rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed
    in the world.

    Would you consider a black person who supports Trump a
    Nazi?


    Could be. Clearly, if you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas.

    So I don't need to point them out, by your own assertion they exist.

    Now expanding on this if a leftist liberal organization acted in the manner
    and with the elements of Nazi's would they not in fact be Nazi's in position
    if not in name?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 13 16:55:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-13, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,https://www.metroweekly.com/2023/07/transgender-male-boxer-goes-3-0-
    against-male-opponents/
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc >>>> >>ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will achieve
    the same performance whether in private or public
    schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trum >>>> >>>>>>>> p- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are
    NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at what antifa stands for

    1) dictatorial leadership (check)
    2) centralized power (check)
    3) militarism (check)
    4) suppression of dissent (check)
    5) rejects the idea of equality and promotes a rigid social hierarchy where some groups or individuals are considered superior to others. (check)
    6) Seeks to control all aspects of society, including the economy, culture, and education. (check)
    7) relies on propaganda and manipulative tactics to control the population (check)
    8) opposes democratic principles like freedom of speech, free and fair elections, and rule of law (check)

    in principles, policies, agenda, and action I see no real difference between this group and Nazis, they just assert they have a better reason to engage, impose, promote, advocate, or otherwise carry these things. out.

    Of course, Baxter is sort of a one dimensional thinker and sees only a line, when in reality political views, agendas, methods, etc is a multidimensional grid, and whether you get it by moving right or moving left the result is
    the same only the excuses for doing it are different.


    Game.
    Set.
    Match.




    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Derek Nash@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 10:38:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>> with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they still >> be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such groups.
    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists, but were not the least bit fascist, let alone Nazi.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 10:44:34 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/12/2025 7:59 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:uMwUP.192030$lK62.19400@fx13.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 5:32 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:t18UP.350335$ujgb.15305@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:19 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:Eq4UP.97881$7ja6.34658@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid >>>>>>>> commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively
    stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than private >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools.
    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone who >>>>>>>>>>>>> shows up?


    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in the >>>>>>>>>>> scores. The same group of students will achieve the same >>>>>>>>>>> performance whether in private or public schools.
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing you >>>>>>>>>> have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body
    composition.


    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit

    No, it's an essential part of your stupidity. You *are* a
    goddamned fucking commie, and it's in large part because you're
    fucking stupid.


    Well, commie fits

    *you*, Bugster, you goddamned stupid fucking commie liar. You *are*
    a fucking commie. You hate private property and private enterprise
    and want the state to control and do everything.


    Whoosh!! Right off the cliff you go!.

    Nope. I described you to a T, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Everything I said about you, including you being willfully and
    aggressively stupid, is true.


    The village idiot always thinks he's the smartest person in the village.
    *You* just described yourself to a T, Bugster, you willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar.

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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 10:45:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/12/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:oMwUP.192029$lK62.63669@fx13.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 5:36 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:E18UP.350345$ujgb.30462@fx15.iad:

    On 5/11/2025 1:15 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:vq4UP.97880$7ja6.69569@fx45.iad:

    On 5/10/2025 8:00 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:
    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:vvp2tv$3vh6s$2@dont- email.me:

    On 10/5/25 18:08, Lou Bricano wrote:
    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body >>>>>>>>> composition.

    Are private schools required to accept autistics, fetal
    alcoholic? Born deaf? Born blind?


    A private school drawing from families of pro footballers,

    That has never happened, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.

    But students in private schools DO NOT reflect the general
    populace.

    Red herring.

    Nope.

    Yes, it is.


    In Algebra: if A=B, then B=A

    That's not algebra, Bugster, and it has nothing to do with the stupid
    shit you wrote, Bugster.


    It's also Logic

    Something on which you have no grasp at all.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 10:47:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/12/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:gMwUP.192028$lK62.30669@fx13.iad:



    Oozing scarlet red maxipad:
    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly educated
    students?

    Bugster the stupid lying commie:
    They don't. Public schools perform better than private schools.

    Lou Bricano:
    That's a lie, Bugster. Why do you tell such ridiculous, easily
    debunked lies, Bugster? Research has consistently shown that
    private school students tend to perform better on standardized
    tests.


    Nope, that's not a lie.

    It is a lie, Bugster, you willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar.

    Public schools successfully educate a wider range of students.

    Badly.

    They educate students that private schools would not and
    could not teach.
    Private schools reject them because they are the incorrigible offspring of shitbags — shitbags like you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 13 17:57:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>>with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.


    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 13 18:06:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vvvrv4$1tvam$7@dont-email.me:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
    oc ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will
    achieve the same performance whether in private or
    public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-tr
    um p-
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there
    are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that
    conservaturds rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at
    what antifa stands for

    1) dictatorial leadership (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.


    2) centralized power (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.


    3) militarism (check)

    There is no such organization as Antifa.


    4) suppression of dissent (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.


    5) rejects the idea of equality and promotes a rigid social hierarchy
    where some groups or individuals are considered superior to others.
    (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.


    6) Seeks to control all aspects of society, including the
    economy, culture, and education. (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.

    7) relies on propaganda and manipulative tactics to control the
    population (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.


    8) opposes democratic principles like freedom of speech, free and fair elections, and rule of law (check)

    There is no such organization as Antifa.


    How does an organization that DOESN'T EVEN
    EXIST wield "dictatorial power" and "control
    all aspects of society"?

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  • From Michael A Terrell@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 11:15:15 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 5/12/2025 7:55 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock >>>>>> suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim >>>>>>>>>>>
    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scores. The same group of students will achieve the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same performance whether in private or public schools. >>>>>>>>>>>
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie >>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump >>>>>>>>>>>> - supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/ >>>>>>>>>>>
    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela. >>>>>>>>>>>
    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are >>>>>>>>>> NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic >>>>>>>>> socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>>>>>>> rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about. >>>>>>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>> do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they
    still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed in
    the world.

    Would you consider a black person who supports Trump a
    Nazi?

    A self-hating black person who supports Trump absolutely has fascist tendencies.
    This is not in rational dispute.

    --
    Another content-free post from Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 13 12:11:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 13/5/25 9:12, Scout wrote:
    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.


    What to do when discrimination is proven?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 14:02:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:egr62kpkd8oma2d948gq01puibnqub27es@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:40:08 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message >>news:vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me...
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote in >>>>>>>news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock >>>>>>>suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>>><klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>>>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the scores. The same group of students will achieve the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same performance whether in private or public schools. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump >>>>>>>>>>>>> - supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/ >>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are >>>>>>>>>>>NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic >>>>>>>>>> socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>>>>>>>>rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about. >>>>>>>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis. >>>>
    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they >>>> still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed in
    the world.

    I refer you to the past by Governor Swill admitting to their existence.


    dodge / troll

    How is pointing out your admission there were Black Nazis to be a "dodge/troll"?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 14:03:22 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8ir62kt5avdppb352gbg3g7ltihqajhr53@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:34:07 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:mlt42kd297kb93nvdmq06qd22fbn2t7trr@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote
    in >>>>>news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>>>>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote
    in
    news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so poorly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private
    schools.

    Wrong.
    Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
    shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim >>>>>>>>>>
    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts
    3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    scores. The same group of students will achieve the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance whether in private or public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. Nothing >>>>>you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit you posted does not say anything about student body >>>>>>>>>>>>>> composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE commie >>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie Putin, >>>>>>>>>>>> commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump- >>>>>>>>>>> supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from February, >>>>>>>>>> 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela. >>>>>>>>>>
    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed when >>>>>>>>>>> Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with the >>>>>>>>>> Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are NO >>>>>>>>>actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>>>>>>rant
    about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes, Democratic >>>>>> Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>>with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    When I use the word "nazi" I mean it to indicate the person in
    question is white, protestant, and intolerant of anybody else who is
    NOT white and protestant.

    So you're a racist and a bigot.

    I'm defining. Historically, Nazis, even when not German and Lutheran,
    are still mainly white and Christian.

    Which therefore by your own admission means Nazism is not limited to whites
    or Christians.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 20:13:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in news:hl962kdp3o7jlorrhdp90ki3itk29lhn57 @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:3a442k98vfko65ul1gfr3f493t63vha5gi@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists
    [Baxter snips citation]
    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant
    about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic
    Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?


    You might try:
    - NOT walking like a NAZI,
    - NOT talking like a NAZI
    - NOT acting like a NAZI


    Sure we can play this game all day.

    WALKING like a socialist
    TALKING like a socialist
    ACTING like a socialist.

    Your turn, Leroy.


    'Cept I dont walk, talk or act like an actual Socialist. Your definition
    of "socialist" differs from reality and is nothing more than saying I;m
    not a NAZI bigot like you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 20:30:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:0er62kl4j51m02g8sgvk8s6iuho7gs8ldn@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 03:51:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The nazi, dictator, fascist routine failed in November 2024 so one
    would think that the democrats would find a new attack mantra but they
    have not.

    I dunno about that. I suspect it failed June 22, 1941.


    They're trying to resurrect it/NAZIism

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Lou Bricano on Tue May 13 20:48:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:tALUP.385088$9uW6.73918@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:


    They educate students that private schools would not and
    could not teach.
    Private schools reject them because they are the incorrigible
    offspring of shitbags — shitbags like you.


    There we get down to it - Bricano is a bigot that thinks he's better than others.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tim Ekula@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 20:48:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tim Ekula@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 20:50:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 13 May 2025, Derek Nash <dereknash@outlooky.com> posted some news:OQLUP.385089$9uW6.290711@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such
    groups.

    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists, but were not the
    least bit fascist, let alone Nazi.

    They were black radical extremists.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tim Ekula@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 20:51:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2DE8558C477D629555@185.151.15.160:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:vvvrv4$1tvam$7@dont-email.me:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
    news:vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c >>>>> >>oc ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will
    achieve the same performance whether in private or
    public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-tr >>>>> >>>>>>>> um p-
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there
    are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that
    conservaturds rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at
    what antifa stands for

    1) dictatorial leadership (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.

    There's no such thing as an intelligent Democrat either.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Derek Nash@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 14:09:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Blowjob *still* is just too stupid to know what his tell is!

    On 5/13/2025 1:50 PM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 350lb 5'1" morbidly obese convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:

    On 13 May 2025, Derek Nash <dereknash@outlooky.com> posted some news:OQLUP.385089$9uW6.290711@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such
    groups.

    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists, but were not the
    least bit fascist, let alone Nazi.

    They were black radical extremists.


    No, Blowjob, they were not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 14:08:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/13/2025 1:48 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:tALUP.385088$9uW6.73918@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:


    They educate students that private schools would not and
    could not teach.
    Private schools reject them because they are the incorrigible
    offspring of shitbags — shitbags like you.


    There we get down to it - Bricano is a bigot that [sic] thinks he's better than
    others.
    Not bigotry to oppose chronic anti-social and criminal behavior and not want my kid to be threatened in school.

    Apart from a summer music program, my son didn't spend one day in public schools, and I'm very pleased about that. The police were never called to any of
    his schools. There was no cop ("school resource officer") in any of his schools,
    ever. They are a *fixture* at a lot of public schools.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Tim Ekula on Tue May 13 21:46:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-13, Tim Ekula <timekula@twincities.com> wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who just happen to be white
    and waving American flags?

    The reason is simple.
    The great replacement program and this doesn't fit into it.
    These same democrats said nothing about millions of migrants, most of which have never
    been persecuted like the Africans have, illegally entering the country.

    Democrats are disgusting.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 17:04:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In article <1000b76$217uf$13@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in news:tALUP.385088$9uW6.73918@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:


    They educate students that private schools would not and
    could not teach.
    Private schools reject them because they are the incorrigible
    offspring of shitbags ? shitbags like you.


    There we get down to it - Bricano is a bigot that thinks he's better than others.

    and you're a racist who thinks black people can't be a
    Nazi.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 17:03:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In article <%KLUP.67934$aIqa.65334@fx07.iad>, klaus.schadenfreude.entf?rben.@gmail.com says...

    On 5/13/2025 9:27 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:vvvn52$1sqc6$2@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.428c62ac65683ed98a11d@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c >>>> >>>>ock suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim >>>> >>>>>>>>>
    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the scores. The same group of students will
    achieve the same performance whether in private or
    public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-tr >>>> >>>>>>>>>> ump -
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela. >>>> >>>>>>>>>
    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with >>>> >>>>>>>>> the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there
    are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic >>>> >>>>>>> socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that
    conservaturds rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed
    in the world.

    Would you consider a black person who supports Trump a
    Nazi?


    Could be. Clearly, if you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas.

    So I don't need to point them out, by your own assertion they exist.
    No, scooter, he did not assert they exist. He said they could exist.

    He screwed up and let his racism leak out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 17:02:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvvn52$1sqc6$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.428c62ac65683ed98a11d@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c
    ock suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will
    achieve the same performance whether in private or
    public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-tr
    ump -
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there
    are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that
    conservaturds rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed
    in the world.

    Would you consider a black person who supports Trump a
    Nazi?


    Could be. Clearly, if you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas.

    So you admit that black Nazis can exist and you were
    lying?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 17:07:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In article <vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
    ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will achieve
    the same performance whether in private or public
    schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trum
    p- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are
    NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    They are. I watched them during the protests.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 17:06:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In article <100094f$217uf$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in news:hl962kdp3o7jlorrhdp90ki3itk29lhn57 @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:3a442k98vfko65ul1gfr3f493t63vha5gi@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists
    [Baxter snips citation]
    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>rant
    about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic
    Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?


    You might try:
    - NOT walking like a NAZI,
    - NOT talking like a NAZI
    - NOT acting like a NAZI


    Sure we can play this game all day.

    WALKING like a socialist
    TALKING like a socialist
    ACTING like a socialist.

    Your turn, Leroy.


    'Cept I dont walk, talk or act like an actual Socialist.

    No, you act like a fake one.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Derek Nash@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 13 17:05:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/13/2025 4:05 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 14:09:38 -0700, Derek Nash
    <dereknash@outlooky.com> wrote:

    Blowjob *still* is just too stupid to know what his tell is!

    On 5/13/2025 1:50 PM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 350lb 5'1" morbidly obese
    convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:

    On 13 May 2025, Derek Nash <dereknash@outlooky.com> posted some
    news:OQLUP.385089$9uW6.290711@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote: >>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing >>>>>>>>> to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such
    groups.

    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists, but were not the
    least bit fascist, let alone Nazi.

    They were black radical extremists.


    No, Blowjob, they were not.

    Yeah, asshat, they were.

    No, touchhole, they were not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Tim Ekula on Tue May 13 18:11:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 13/5/25 13:50, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Derek Nash <dereknash@outlooky.com> posted some news:OQLUP.385089$9uW6.290711@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such
    groups.

    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists, but were not the
    least bit fascist, let alone Nazi.

    They were black radical extremists.


    No black separatist ever called me 'boy'.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Tim Ekula on Tue May 13 18:13:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>> do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    We should help anyone who needs help.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed May 14 01:20:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-14, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 13/5/25 13:50, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Derek Nash <dereknash@outlooky.com> posted some
    news:OQLUP.385089$9uW6.290711@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing >>>>>>>> to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such
    groups.

    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists, but were not the
    least bit fascist, let alone Nazi.

    They were black radical extremists.


    No black separatist ever called me 'boy'.

    I've had black men call me mama.
    As in hey pretty mama.
    I just smile and keep on walking.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Tim Ekula on Wed May 14 03:09:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Tim Ekula <timekula@twincities.com> wrote in news:1000b7m$mfm$1 @toxic.dizum.net:

    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    I'd prefer actual victims and not fake victims.

    If these well-off want to migrate, fine - but don't call them refugees.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 03:16:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who
    just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.


    Just don't call them refugees = they're not. Immigrants, yes, refugees NO!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to pothead on Wed May 14 03:19:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:1000ej0$224sg$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-13, Tim Ekula <timekula@twincities.com> wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing >>>>>>>>to do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who
    just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    The reason is simple.
    The great replacement program and this doesn't fit into it.
    These same democrats said nothing about millions of migrants, most of
    which have never been persecuted like the Africans have, illegally
    entering the country.

    Democrats are disgusting.



    tRump is claiming those immigrants are refugees when they're not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 13 20:41:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 13/5/25 20:16, Baxter wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who
    just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.


    Just don't call them refugees = they're not. Immigrants, yes, refugees NO!


    If they are fleeing for their lives, they are refugees.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Tue May 13 15:07:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> wrote in message news:DXLUP.255345$v2h6.24613@fx14.iad...
    On 5/13/2025 4:34 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5eu42ktvq6olv550s55k1lvmk3og6np6bu@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>> do
    with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist fascists"? >>>>>
    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis. >>>>
    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they >>>> still
    be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such groups.

    So where [sic] they Nazis?
    Another scooterism!

    Another evasion by Rudy because he knows my facts will kick his delusions
    any day of the week.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 13 19:25:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:8ir62kt5avdppb352gbg3g7ltihqajhr53@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Nazi-like behaviors can be extended to other groups, but true Nazis
    are by definition intolerant of any group that is NOT white and/or
    Christian.

    So "Nazi" means white and nominally Christian.
    But "nazi" means anybody as intolerant of or hostile to "others"
    unlike themselves.

    Oh, like antifa.

    Those must have been Native nazis who ordered us to leave their reservation years ago, and Mexican nazis who told us to leave their camp a few years back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 08:57:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:g5k72klev7a79uuajc560robudm5v3vujd@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 14:02:00 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:egr62kpkd8oma2d948gq01puibnqub27es@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:40:08 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message >>>>news:vvubvv$1hrff$3@dont-email.me...
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvtes0$185c7$2@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net...
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>wrote in >>>>>>>>>news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cock >>>>>>>>>suck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude >>>>>>>>>>><klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41 >>>>>>>>>@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed: >>>>>>>>>>>>
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressively stupid commie liar, lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    And the composition of the student body is reflected >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
    the scores. The same group of students will achieve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    same performance whether in private or public schools. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
    bullshit you posted does not say anything about student >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
    Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic >>>>>>>>>>>> socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>>>>>>>>>>rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant >>>>>>>>>> about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>>>do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they
    still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?

    Well, go ahead and point out any such Black NAZIs that have existed in >>>>> the world.

    I refer you to the past by Governor Swill admitting to their existence. >>>>

    dodge / troll

    How is pointing out your admission there were Black Nazis to be a >>"dodge/troll"?



    Then you should have no problem showing where in this thread I
    'admitted' to the existence of Black Nazis?

    I'll wait.

    I see, so other threads no longer count because once a thread is done.. you never really said it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed May 14 08:58:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10005g9$20e0a$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 9:12, Scout wrote:
    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.


    What to do when discrimination is proven?

    We eliminate DEI...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 08:59:43 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5uk72ktlk57vorje5102pkpanc0jenl2a0@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 20:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tim Ekula
    <timekula@twincities.com> wrote:

    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some >>news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>>do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?

    Dodge.

    The point is, Trump wouldn't give them refugee status UNLESS they were
    white.

    Proof?

    Didn't think so.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 09:00:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who just >>happen to be white
    and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed May 14 09:05:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1000qnl$24l9i$5@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>> do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    We should help anyone who needs help.

    Ok, tell us about the homeless drug addict you have sleeping on the couch?

    Or maybe how you are paying for an apartment for a homeless run-away?

    Somehow, I don't see you walking down the street helping everyone that needs help.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed May 14 09:02:16 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10013cb$2a3ef$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 20:16, Baxter wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who
    just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.


    Just don't call them refugees = they're not. Immigrants, yes, refugees
    NO!


    If they are fleeing for their lives, they are refugees.

    Until they reach the first country where they aren't fleeing for their
    lives.. then they are no longer fleeing for their lives, are they?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Wed May 14 09:10:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> wrote in message news:KhOUP.53143$TC5b.42470@fx04.iad...
    On 5/13/2025 9:12 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>>> with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.
    No, scooter, that's a lie. Business firms and other organizations that
    commit to "DEI" are stating that they *do not* discriminate.

    Oh, they can state it but their actions show otherwise.

    Tell me.. if your race or gender has ANY influence in hiring then isn't that discrimination?

    That would be TRUE equal opportunity. But instead saying we have to hire
    extra blacks until out work force is x% blacks... means you are more likely
    to hire a black to fulfill that artificial quota.

    If they were truly interested in equal hiring then the race/sex questions
    would be removed from all applications where race/sex is not a critical criteria.

    Do they do that? No. They certainly don't do it under DEI because race/sex
    is a criteria for higher as the company has to 'hit their numbers' to show
    they aren't discriminating even if that means discrimination in hiring.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 09:18:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rrk72k5ud2cucosqlja1clo9taeb05o4f1@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:12:03 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential >>opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a lie
    because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if those
    of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to influence
    their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating against better
    qualified candidates.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 09:48:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:pak72k1bp7tmmnl2r88o3lpscpcksl45bi@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:25:17 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at what >>antifa stands for

    1) dictatorial leadership (check)

    Not true. Antifa strives against dictatorial leadership and for the
    rights of the People.

    And if you don't do what antifa wants.. they attack you, set fire to
    building, destroy stuff and otherwise inflict harm about those who don't conform to their desires.

    Sounds rather dictatorial to me, and a violent one at that.

    dictatorial
    /?dikt?'tre?l/
    adjective
    of or typical of a ruler with total power.
    "a dictatorial regime"
    having or showing a tendency to tell people what to do in an autocratic way.

    2) centralized power (check)

    Wrong again.

    On the contrary they want to be in charge, to set rules and policies, and
    for everyone else to bow to their agenda.


    3) militarism (check)

    Just like Republicans and Democrats. If you don't believe me, ask
    around in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    4) suppression of dissent (check)

    Wrong again. Antifa is itself a dissenting organization which, again, stresses the rights and freedoms of the People.

    Which also does not tolerate dissent against them.


    5) rejects the idea of equality and promotes a rigid social hierarchy
    where
    some groups or individuals are considered superior to others. (check)

    Not merely wrong but the diametric opposite of what Antifa hopes to
    achieve.

    And yet, they feel themselves to be superior to everyone else, free to
    ignore our laws, codes of conduct or even rational behavior.

    6) Seeks to control all aspects of society, including the economy,
    culture,
    and education. (check)

    Again, wrong. Antifa supports egalitarian aims.

    As they beat up people in the street and destroy their property.. are you claiming this is the sort of society we should seek to be?



    7) relies on propaganda and manipulative tactics to control the population >>(check)

    Wrong again but again, one needs only to look at Democrats and
    Republicans to see that they are masters of propganda.

    Pointing at others does not absolve them of their own propaganda and manipulation.

    8) opposes democratic principles like freedom of speech, free and fair >>elections, and rule of law (check)

    Again, the very opposite of what Antifa stands for. Freedom, fairness
    and especially rule of law are the core of Antifa.

    Really? With all the violence, looting and outright destruction.. is what
    you consider obeying the "rule of law"?



    in principles, policies, agenda, and action I see no real difference >>between
    this group and Nazis, they just assert they have a better reason to
    engage,
    impose, promote, advocate, or otherwise carry these things. out.

    Of course, Baxter is sort of a one dimensional thinker and sees only a >>line,
    when in reality political views, agendas, methods, etc is a >>multidimensional
    grid, and whether you get it by moving right or moving left the result is >>the same only the excuses for doing it are different.


    Meanwhile you use antifa as a swear word like commie, wokie or librul.

    No, I judge them by their acts.. including their need to hide their
    identities so they can not be caught/ prosecuted for their crimes.

    You have no idea what antifa means, you've merely allowed yourself to
    be taught that it's a bad thing. Why would you do this? Because you perceive antifa as being a black movement which must, therefore, be
    bad.

    Well, do I consider mass riots to be a bad thing?

    Yes, I do

    Do I consider looting to be a bad thing?

    Yes, I do.

    Do I consider hiding your identity while violating the law to be a bad
    thing?

    Yes, I do

    Do I consider physical attacks against others because they don't accept your views to be a bad thing?

    Yes, I do.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Tim Ekula on Wed May 14 09:19:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Tim Ekula" <timekula@twincities.com> wrote in message news:1000bbn$mfm$3@toxic.dizum.net...
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some news:XnsB2DE8558C477D629555@185.151.15.160:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv4$1tvam$7@dont-email.me:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
    news:vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.c >>>>>> >>oc ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim >>>>>> >>>>>>>
    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the scores. The same group of students will
    achieve the same performance whether in private or
    public schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-tr >>>>>> >>>>>>>> um p-
    supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela. >>>>>> >>>>>>>
    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with >>>>>> >>>>>>> the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there
    are NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic >>>>>> >>>>> socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that
    conservaturds rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at
    what antifa stands for

    1) dictatorial leadership (check)


    There is no such organization as Antifa.

    There's no such thing as an intelligent Democrat either.

    Which Rudy shows time and time again, even as he attempts to pretend to be
    his betters.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Wed May 14 09:49:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> wrote in message news:q7RUP.112170$7ja6.26796@fx45.iad...
    On 5/13/2025 9:25 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
    news:vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> >>>>> >>wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc >>>>> >>ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will achieve >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same performance whether in private or public
    schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trum >>>>> >>>>>>>> p- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are >>>>> >>>>>>NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds >>>>> >>>>rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>> >>do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at
    what antifa stands for

    Every word you wrote below is a lie, scooter.

    Says the biggest liar on TPG.. starting with having to hide behind the identities of others.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Tim Ekula on Wed May 14 09:53:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Tim Ekula" <timekula@twincities.com> wrote in message news:1000ba8$mfm$2@toxic.dizum.net...
    On 13 May 2025, Derek Nash <dereknash@outlooky.com> posted some news:OQLUP.385089$9uW6.290711@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're
    Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would
    they still be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such
    people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such
    groups.

    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists

    While the Nazi were white nationalists..

    but were not the
    least bit fascist, let alone Nazi.

    They were black radical extremists.

    And further used many of the same principles and tactics used by the Nazi.

    Change skin colors and they would fit right in as their views are virtually identical.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Wed May 14 10:00:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Skeeter OG" <invalid@none.com> wrote in message news:MPG.428d7e92b88e38a598a12b@usnews.blocknews.net...
    In article <vvvn18$1sqc6$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in
    news:MPG.428c60cd2690724f98a11a@usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <m8ej5dFrh2oU4@mid.individual.net>,
    creon@creon.earth says...

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in
    news:bkj32kpk79uluf3clqvhecifdhpmlpub4l@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.coc
    ksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in news:pu122kd004jlm4q4hup8708me0vfpv1r41
    @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqtjm$js1b$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:vvqn6c$i9d9$3@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:vvqf1q$gn18$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:vvp3ms$3vmi1$4@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:xMSTP.165919$lbbb.46906@fx18.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 1:41 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:KKKTP.52810$sF35.41503@fx11.iad:
    On 5/10/2025 8:05 AM, Bugster, willfully and
    aggressively stupid commie liar, lied:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vvnkjh$3i25t$1@dont-email.me:
    On 2025-05-10, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    On 9/5/25 19:59, pothead wrote:

    Then why do government schools turn out so
    poorly educated students?

    They don't. Public schools perform better than
    private schools.

    Wrong. Try again.

    Do private schools have to accept and educate
    everyone who shows up?

    1. snipping the proof offered to counter your claim

    Misinformation is not proof.

    2. moving the goal posts 3. ??? = -9999

    And the composition of the student body is reflected
    in the scores. The same group of students will achieve
    the same performance whether in private or public
    schools.

    Bullshit, Bugster, you stupid fucking commie liar.
    Nothing
    you
    have posted shows that.

    Liar,

    Yes, Bugster, you are a goddamned fucking commie liar.
    The bullshit you posted does not say anything about
    student body composition.

    LOL forget the "commie" bullshit - conservaturds LOVE
    commie Putin, commie Russia.

    Forget the "commie" bullshit - conservatives HATE commie
    Putin, commie Russia,

    NO you don't.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404017-trum
    p- supporters-whose-pro-russia-shirts-went-viral-were-not/

    That's all ya got? Two guys with joke tee shorts from
    February, 2018?!?

    commie Xi, commie China, commie Maduro, commie Venezuela.

    conservatives used to be anti-comunist, but that changed
    when Russian asset tRump took over.

    You are deluded. Today's communists/socialists caucus with
    the Democrats.

    Communists and socialist are not the same thing. And there are
    NO actual Socialists anywhere in Congress.

    Yes, there are members of Congress who identify as democratic
    socialists

    Democratic Socialists are not the "Socialists" that conservaturds
    rant about.

    Sorry old timer.

    If you morons think Musk is "literally Hitler,: then yes,
    Democratic Socialists are the socialists conservatives rant
    about.

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist
    fascists"?

    Baxter.

    Yeah, conservaturds claim antifa is fascist.

    They are. I watched them during the protests.

    Yep, and the only big difference between them and the Sturmabteilung is the color of their clothing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 14 15:10:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-14, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10013cb$2a3ef$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 20:16, Baxter wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who
    just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.


    Just don't call them refugees = they're not. Immigrants, yes, refugees
    NO!


    If they are fleeing for their lives, they are refugees.

    Until they reach the first country where they aren't fleeing for their lives.. then they are no longer fleeing for their lives, are they?



    +1



    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 14 15:09:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-14, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who just >>>happen to be white
    and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.

    He can't because my opinion is to enter the US legally and ALL are
    welcome.

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order to be
    let into the country.

    The WHITE Africans really are in danger.

    Look up Plaasmoorde.

    <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=plaasmoorde&t=brave&ia=web>

    <https://southafricainsight.substack.com/p/a-heartbreaking-testimony-of-the>

    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to pothead on Wed May 14 12:29:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/14/25 11:09, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-05-14, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who just >>>> happen to be white
    and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.

    He can't because my opinion is to enter the US legally and ALL are
    welcome.

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order to be
    let into the country.

    The WHITE Africans really are in danger.

    If that was really true as racial targeting, then why haven't they been
    totally wiped out over the past 35 years since they lost their Apartheid control?


    Look up Plaasmoorde.

    Except that Plaasmoorde is violence which has targeted farms, not what
    the farmers' skin color happened to be. Risks are higher when closer to borders and for more remote properties.

    FYI, next time try asking someone who's had friends living there, as
    well as having been to South Africa themselves, to be better equipped to identify what's propaganda versus actual reality.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 14 12:35:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rrk72k5ud2cucosqlja1clo9taeb05o4f1@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:12:03 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a lie
    because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if
    those of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to influence
    their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    This doesn't prevent hiring of white males, since what it did was to
    require that within your published evaluation metrics how they were
    actually objectively *superior*. If they weren't quantitatively
    demonstrated as superior, then they lose on the "tie".


    -hh

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 14 17:35:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:100281u $2ho5q$14@dont-email.me:




    Proof?

    Didn't think so.


    Just like your "I paid my way thru
    high school with studen loans" claim?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 14 17:40:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1002820$2ho5q$15@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who
    just happen to be white
    and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.



    Show why TRUMP'S tune has changed.

    "America is full!"

    "Immigrants are poisoning our blood"


    vs...........




    Mar-A-Lago Sought 380 Foreign Workers
    Jum 14 2023
    https://tinyurl.com/4pxwm536


    As Trump pursues mass deportation, his
    businesses again seek foreign workers
    April 14, 2025
    https://tinyurl.com/5n7jm8mx


    Trump vows to hire American.His businesses
    keep hiring foreign guest workers
    December 16, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/2v9ajavd


    Trump broke his hire-American promise,
    employed 209 foreigners in 2024
    Dec 17 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/5b5ny55s


    Donald Trump Can't Find Enough
    Americans to Work at Mar-a-Lago
    May 21, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/yc5yzrrm


    Trumps Mar-a-Lago Club applies
    to hire 70 foreign workers
    July 20 2017
    http://tinyurl.com/y8kzhre7

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 14 17:42:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1002823$2ho5q$17@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1000qnl$24l9i$5@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has
    nothing to do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI
    hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    We should help anyone who needs help.

    Ok, tell us about the homeless drug addict you have sleeping on the
    couch?

    Or maybe how you are paying for an apartment for a homeless run-away?



    Tell us what you think should be done
    about homeless Americans, esp homeless
    veterans.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 14 17:47:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1002825$2ho5q$18@dont-email.me:



    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com>
    wrote in message news:KhOUP.53143$TC5b.42470@fx04.iad...
    On 5/13/2025 9:12 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and
    lied:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing
    to do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.
    No, scooter, that's a lie. Business firms and other organizations
    that commit to "DEI" are stating that they *do not* discriminate.

    Oh, they can state it but their actions show otherwise.

    Tell me.. if your race or gender has ANY influence in hiring then
    isn't that discrimination?



    If Trump engages in "DEI" hiring
    quotas how can it be wrong?



    Trump vows to nominate a woman for
    US supreme court
    Sept 0 2020

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/20/trump-vows-to-nominate-a- woman-for-us-supreme-court-vacancy-within-a-week

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 13:53:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tnk92ktp40jsqhpnkj7rcaoljp1t2s3atc@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 08:59:43 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?

    Dodge.

    The point is, Trump wouldn't give them refugee status UNLESS they were
    white.

    Proof?

    Didn't think so.

    I guess you've missed all the stories about Trump's efforts to expel
    refugees and other immigrants, specifically those from Venezuela. They
    aren't white.

    Yawn.. Fallacies... you've not shown that race was the factor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 14:00:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order to be >>let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial
    governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are doing
    what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have to be
    taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less once you enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 13:55:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:87k92k5kn48dd28deh31fe9ae3dfgopcu5@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:00:52 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who just >>>>happen to be white
    and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.


    When the subject is white people refugeeing . . .

    And yet, the only basis for that is YOUR assertion that race was the key factor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed May 14 14:03:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1002gnk$2iqsi$6@dont-email.me...
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:rrk72k5ud2cucosqlja1clo9taeb05o4f1@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:12:03 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a lie
    because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if
    those of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to influence
    their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided to represent
    'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating against better
    qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar to the baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 14:04:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:quk92k1npsphfpehjbdg8cd86kvb4530fc@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:18:03 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a lie
    because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if those >>of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to influence >>their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided to represent >>'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating against better >>qualified candidates.

    They should consider all applicants and hire from them the best of the
    lot.

    Bingo!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 14:01:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c5k92k1j9fblunvu4htjnoo20pc9o9rffk@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:02:16 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:10013cb$2a3ef$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 20:16, Baxter wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who >>>>>> just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for >>>>> the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.


    Just don't call them refugees = they're not. Immigrants, yes, refugees >>>> NO!


    If they are fleeing for their lives, they are refugees.

    Until they reach the first country where they aren't fleeing for their >>lives.. then they are no longer fleeing for their lives, are they?



    Explain why white people are allowed to come here as refugees but
    brown people are not.

    Show that is the case as a matter of policy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 14:08:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nsk92kt4ehu2ctq5rcm1cv1tl14pq7l6c2@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:13:59 -0700, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>>> do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!! >>>>>>
    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    We should help anyone who needs help.

    +1

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money. With over $36
    Trillion in federal debt, and internal economic issues, as a nation we can
    not afford to.

    Look at the negative impacts on our own population. Sorry, but we need to
    take care of our own needs.

    However, feel free to send as much of your money money to help them as you like, or you can call for other countries to do so.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 01:39:43 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1002q93$2lhq7$7@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nsk92kt4ehu2ctq5rcm1cv1tl14pq7l6c2@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:13:59 -0700, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has
    nothing to do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI
    hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    We should help anyone who needs help.

    +1

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money. With over $36
    Trillion in federal debt, and internal economic issues, as a nation we
    can not afford to.


    Helping out people in need is not a priority.

    Unless the Trump admin is handing out the money.

    To his friends.




    New PPP Loan Data Reveals Most Of The
    $525 Billion Given Out Went To Larger
    Businesses-And A Few With Trump, Kushner
    Ties
    Dec 2 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/12/02/new-ppp-loan-
    data-
    reveals-most-of-the-525-billion-given-out-went-to-larger-businesses-some- with-trump-kushner-ties/?sh=792a93635a43

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From howie ruffe@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 06:09:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 14 May 2025, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> posted some news:8%6VP.117459$7ja6.103455@fx45.iad:

    On 5/14/2025 11:04 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and
    lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:quk92k1npsphfpehjbdg8cd86kvb4530fc@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:18:03 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a
    lie because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements,
    if those of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a
    position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided
    to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating
    against better qualified candidates.

    They should consider all applicants and hire from them the best of
    the lot.

    Bingo!
    DEI is just a way to cast a wider net to get unqualified applicants,
    scooter. You know this.

    Fixed your post.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to howie ruffe on Wed May 14 23:46:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 14/5/25 23:09, howie ruffe wrote:

    They should consider all applicants and hire from them the best of
    the lot.

    Bingo!
    DEI is just a way to cast a wider net to get unqualified applicants,
    scooter. You know this.

    Fixed your post.


    White men cannot jump.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 14 23:44:42 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 14/5/25 21:51, Governor Swill wrote:
    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if those >> >of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Why don't you ask them?

    Because the question is bigotry. It assume skills are not
    uniformly distributed among the popuplation. That Those People
    are genetically stupid.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 08:42:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:qvha2khoe7kluh0ructqdtr7d4pubrs545@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:18:03 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if those >>of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to influence >>their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided to represent >>'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating against better >>qualified candidates.

    Why don't you ask them?

    I acknowledge your admission you can't support your own argument.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Thu May 15 08:50:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10042fh$30hak$1@dont-email.me...
    On 14/5/25 21:51, Governor Swill wrote:
    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if
    those
    of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Why don't you ask them?

    Because the question is bigotry. It assume skills are not uniformly distributed among the popuplation

    Actually skills are not uniformly distributed among the population or we all could be brain surgeons.

    That Those People are genetically stupid.

    Quite the contrary, simply states that the desired skills and a person's proficiency with them has nothing to do with the color of their skin..

    However, if you want to claim we should fire the bulk of the NBA in favor of white guys, Orientals, etc.. then let's start there. After all, we clearly don't have the racial diversity in the NBA that exists among the population
    at large. Therefore according to your standards that means the NBA is
    engaged in racially biased hiring and we need to hire less qualified individuals of the suitable races to bring the racial diversity within acceptable standards.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 09:02:26 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1002gnk$2iqsi$6@dont-email.me...
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:rrk72k5ud2cucosqlja1clo9taeb05o4f1@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:12:03 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a lie
    because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if
    those of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided
    to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating
    against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the color of
    their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 09:14:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/14/25 14:08, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:nsk92kt4ehu2ctq5rcm1cv1tl14pq7l6c2@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:13:59 -0700, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun.  Has
    nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!! >>>>>>>
    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

         Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    We should help anyone who needs help.

    +1

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money. With over $36
    Trillion in federal debt, and internal economic issues, as a nation we
    can not afford to.

    So does that then mean that you're actively opposed to the GOP's "Big
    Beautiful Bill" which contains additional tax cuts for the risks and
    makes the deficit & debt substantially worse instead of better?

    FYI, the number I've seen mentioned is an additional $5.1T of debt.

    -hh

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 08:21:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 15/5/25 5:50, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10042fh$30hak$1@dont-email.me...
    On 14/5/25 21:51, Governor Swill wrote:
    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity
    requirements, if those
    of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Why don't you ask them?

    Because the question is bigotry. It assume skills are not
    uniformly distributed among the popuplation

    Actually skills are not uniformly distributed among the
    population or we all could be brain surgeons.

    That Those People are genetically stupid.

    Quite the contrary, simply states that the desired skills and a
    person's proficiency with them has nothing to do with the color
    of their skin..

    And if the distribution of skin colours of hires is significantly
    different from distribution of skin colours of the population?

    hiring and we need to hire less qualified individuals of the
    suitable races to bring the racial diversity within acceptable
    standards.

    Then you ignore the evidence in favour allowing discrimination,
    bigot.


    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu May 15 09:42:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1004ol2$345oq$1@dont-email.me...
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:1002gnk$2iqsi$6@dont-email.me...
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:rrk72k5ud2cucosqlja1clo9taeb05o4f1@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:12:03 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a lie >>>>> because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if
    those of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to influence >>>> their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided to represent >>>> 'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating against better
    qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the color of
    their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    And yet, DEI makes it matter

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu May 15 09:45:35 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1004pb2$345oq$3@dont-email.me...
    On 5/14/25 14:08, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:nsk92kt4ehu2ctq5rcm1cv1tl14pq7l6c2@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:13:59 -0700, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>>
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing >>>>>>>>>>> to
    do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI. >>>>>>>>>
    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!! >>>>>>>>
    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?


    We should help anyone who needs help.

    +1

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money. With over $36
    Trillion in federal debt, and internal economic issues, as a nation we
    can not afford to.

    So does that then mean that you're actively opposed to the GOP's "Big Beautiful Bill" which contains additional tax cuts for the risks and makes the deficit & debt substantially worse instead of better?

    Yep, I think we should have a tax freeze and a 2/3 reduction in federal spending.

    with debt interest and debt repayment being the first items on the budget..
    and Congressional pay and benefits being the last item on the budget.

    We are broke and refuse to accept that fact, and in part due to excessive taxation... but until the debt is paid off we need that revenue.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 11:47:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e62c2k1paqkn2pbvi8i7l4n8q6q95fthgi@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:01:58 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:c5k92k1j9fblunvu4htjnoo20pc9o9rffk@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:02:16 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>news:10013cb$2a3ef$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 20:16, Baxter wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who >>>>>>>> just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued >>>>>>> for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.


    Just don't call them refugees = they're not. Immigrants, yes,
    refugees
    NO!


    If they are fleeing for their lives, they are refugees.

    Until they reach the first country where they aren't fleeing for their >>>>lives.. then they are no longer fleeing for their lives, are they?



    Explain why white people are allowed to come here as refugees but
    brown people are not.

    Show that is the case as a matter of policy.


    The policy and practice are, is it turns out, not the same.

    Ok. show me.


    Since Trump is determined to deport even legals and citizens with
    brown skin, you shouldn't need any further proof.

    Well, if they are a gang member, or other undesirable they certainly can be deported. A visa to visit doesn't mean we can require you leave if you violation the conditions or pose a hazard to others. Which a gang member certainly would.

    The Executive branch has wide latitude in who is undesirable and deportation
    of the same.

    Meanwhile I acknowledge your allegations as a diversion from why these deportations are occurring, which has nothing to do with race.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Thu May 15 11:51:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10050o4$36i8g$2@dont-email.me...
    On 15/5/25 5:50, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:10042fh$30hak$1@dont-email.me...
    On 14/5/25 21:51, Governor Swill wrote:
    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity
    requirements, if those
    of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Why don't you ask them?

    Because the question is bigotry. It assume skills are not
    uniformly distributed among the popuplation

    Actually skills are not uniformly distributed among the
    population or we all could be brain surgeons.

    That Those People are genetically stupid.

    Quite the contrary, simply states that the desired skills and a
    person's proficiency with them has nothing to do with the color
    of their skin..

    And if the distribution of skin colours of hires is significantly
    different from distribution of skin colours of the population?

    Who cares, if they are the most qualified for the job.

    Otherwise, we should fire about 80% of NFL players as the distribution of
    skin colors of hires are significantly different from the distribution of
    skin colors of the population.

    ... let me guess, you're going to assert that doesn't count.



    hiring and we need to hire less qualified individuals of the
    suitable races to bring the racial diversity within acceptable
    standards.

    Then you ignore the evidence in favour allowing discrimination, bigot.

    Yet, you're telling me they should hire less qualified individuals because their skin colors would be more in line with the distribution of skin colors
    of the population.

    So when do we start firing NFL players and hiring more white guys?

    ... speaking a racial discrimination.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 08:55:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 15/5/25 8:32, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:01:58 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:c5k92k1j9fblunvu4htjnoo20pc9o9rffk@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:02:16 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:10013cb$2a3ef$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/5/25 20:16, Baxter wrote:
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:40l72kt01qmc6c1qdednqjibmh6apt1qfd@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who >>>>>>>> just happen to be white and waving American flags?

    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.

    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for >>>>>>> the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.

    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.


    Just don't call them refugees = they're not. Immigrants, yes, refugees >>>>>> NO!


    If they are fleeing for their lives, they are refugees.

    Until they reach the first country where they aren't fleeing for their >>>> lives.. then they are no longer fleeing for their lives, are they?



    Explain why white people are allowed to come here as refugees but
    brown people are not.

    Show that is the case as a matter of policy.


    The policy and practice are, is it turns out, not the same.

    Since Trump is determined to deport even legals and citizens with
    brown skin, you shouldn't need any further proof.


    We cannot blame refugees with pale skin or dark for idjt's
    racism. They ask for asylum. They get a hearing. Let us try to
    keep the judges fair, and the ones who deserve asylum get it.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 09:13:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 15/5/25 8:51, Scout wrote:

    Who cares, if they are the most qualified for the job.

    Who decides who are the most qualified?

    By what objective tests do we know their decisions are correct?

    Otherwise, we should fire about 80% of NFL players as the
    distribution of skin colors of hires are significantly different
    from the distribution of skin colors of the population.

    ... let me guess, you're going to assert that doesn't count.

    You need sample sizes large enough to make valid statistical tests.

    Then you ignore the evidence in favour allowing discrimination,
    bigot.

    Yet, you're telling me they should hire less qualified

    How do you know who is 'less qualified', bigot?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Lou Bricano@21:1/5 to pothead on Thu May 15 09:26:50 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/13/2025 2:46 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-05-13, Tim Ekula <timekula@twincities.com> wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> posted some
    news:XnsB2DE83E23D59D629555@185.151.15.190:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:vvvrv2 $1tvam$6@dont-email.me:



    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote in message
    news:m8gpaaF8ludU1@mid.individual.net...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to >>>>>>>> do with any actual ideology.

    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI.

    You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!!

    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".

    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?

    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who just happen to be white
    and waving American flags?

    They don't "just happen to be" white — it's the very basis for Trump letting them in, "pothole," you fucking Nazi.


    The reason is simple.
    The great replacement program and this doesn't fit into it.
    Only gullible Nazis believe in a "great replacement program." It simply isn't real.

    I'm going to put "pothole's" shitty writing back unbroken to comment on the shittiness of it:

    The reason is simple.
    The great replacement program and this doesn't fit into it.
    These same democrats said nothing about millions of migrants, most of which have never
    been persecuted like the Africans have, illegally entering the country.

    "pothole" has line breaks to separate sentences that *ought* to be part of a single paragraph. That's shitty writing, and part of the proof that "pothole" is
    male — no woman would write like that.

    Second, besides the lie about "great replacement program," there are numerous other defects. "Democrats" is a proper noun — it requires an upper-case 'D'. It
    should be "most of whom," not most of "which." "pothole," a semi-literate male (who isn't masculine), doesn't understand English relative pronouns. Finally, he
    lies: the mostly Latin American immigrants *have* been persecuted in their home countries, which is the very reason they're arriving. The South Africans have *not* been persecuted, which is why they had the wherewithal to board airplanes at their own expense and fly here.

    Nearly every word "pothole" writes is a lie, and his lies are written in atrociously bad English composition.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 11:59:22 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:k33c2khdvq8s5dj2rvlh08vqcbq1qkr0di@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:53:48 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    I guess you've missed all the stories about Trump's efforts to expel
    refugees and other immigrants, specifically those from Venezuela. They
    aren't white.

    Yawn.. Fallacies... you've not shown that race was the factor.

    Yes, I have and so have many others.

    No, you have merely asserted it.


    That you continue to stick your
    head up your ass in order to blind yourself to reality is not my
    fault.

    Anger because you realize you've painted yourself into a corner.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 12:02:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:r63c2k5s997efhb7qbn9pbulgj8f3ao57s@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 10:43:39 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 5/14/2025 10:35 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is
    frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:





    Proof?

    Didn't think so.


    Just like your "I paid my way thru
    high school with studen loans" claim?


    That is absolutely in the top 10, maybe even top five, of the stupidest >>things
    scooter has ever said.

    That may be one of the ten most truthful things that YOU'VE ever said.
    :)

    However, Rudy lies a lot and this wouldn't be the first time he's claimed I said something that I didn't.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 12:03:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8p2c2kh6fdjmfbn1rf1cjnsckqmis2fcik@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:55:14 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:00:52 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote .
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who >>>>>>just
    happen to be white and waving American flags?
    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.
    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for >>>>> the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.
    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.

    When the subject is white people refugeeing . . .

    And yet, the only basis for that is YOUR assertion that race was the key >>factor.

    It was and like any true lying-through-his-teeth rightist, you deleted
    the very evidence that proved my point. The evidence YOU SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED. Pothead is just fine with refugees, as long as they're
    white.

    He never said that. You may have attempted to assert that's what he meant,
    but I see no evidence he either said it or did so in the manner you assert.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 12:06:39 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8p2c2kh6fdjmfbn1rf1cjnsckqmis2fcik@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:55:14 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:00:52 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote .
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of Africans who >>>>>>just
    happen to be white and waving American flags?
    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.
    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have argued for >>>>> the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.
    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.

    When the subject is white people refugeeing . . .

    And yet, the only basis for that is YOUR assertion that race was the key >>factor.

    It was and like any true lying-through-his-teeth rightist, you deleted
    the very evidence that proved my point.

    Then you should be able to quote it from the prior message. Unless, of
    course, you are lying about it.


    The evidence YOU SPECIFICALLY
    REQUESTED.

    which apparently you can't post

    Pothead is just fine with refugees, as long as they're
    white.

    Your assertion and you've presented nothing to show that is his opinion

    It's even ok for the government to CHARTER A PLANE to get them
    here.

    Why not? You certainly seem to have had no issues with Biden chartering
    planes to bring people here.

    Double standard? I think so.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 12:07:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal migrant >>>>has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order to >>>>be
    let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial
    governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are doing
    what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have to be >>taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, but we >>do
    NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less once you >>enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.


    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's greatness
    and power comes directly from the diversity of thought and
    contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 12:10:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3h3c2k9em8h3lnf2qlg4275lbtred4h71s@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 17:42:56 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
    <snip>
    Or maybe how you are paying for an apartment for a homeless run-away?

    Tell us what you think should be done
    about homeless Americans, esp homeless
    veterans.

    Apparently his beliefs are only for other people, after all, I've asked him what he personally has done.. and he evades.

    IF he responds at all, it will be with the usual lame jingoes and
    slogans.

    Like Rudy did? Where is he helping? Oh, that's right, he's not.. he just
    wants to demand everyone else is forced to do so.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 13:17:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:13:59 -0700, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman posted
    "Scout" wrote
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter wrote:
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing >>>>>>>>>>> to
    do with any actual ideology.
    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI. >>>>>>>>> You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI hire!!!! >>>>>>>> "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer".
    Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential
    opportunity... also called discrimination.
    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.
    You'd prefer black?
    We should help anyone who needs help.

    +1

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you assert need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly isn't
    what you want to do.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Thu May 15 13:15:26 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:10053p7$377ak$2@dont-email.me...
    On 15/5/25 8:51, Scout wrote:

    Who cares, if they are the most qualified for the job.

    Who decides who are the most qualified?

    I would assume the recruiter's evaluation of the applicant's knowledge, experience, history and the tests given.

    Race shouldn't be a factor in favor of or against any applicant. Which DEI does. It makes race a factor in hiring which leads to racial discrimination.

    See if you have to meet established goals for diversity, then you may have
    to engage in discrimination to achieve them if the most suitable candidates don't happen to have the right racial or gender profile.


    By what objective tests do we know their decisions are correct?

    The records of those hired against those who were not. If such tests/hiring
    are not objective then the data should tell the tail.

    Otherwise, we should fire about 80% of NFL players as the
    distribution of skin colors of hires are significantly different
    from the distribution of skin colors of the population.

    ... let me guess, you're going to assert that doesn't count.

    You need sample sizes large enough to make valid statistical tests.

    Ok.. with a sample of 1,696 we have 53% of players being black, with a
    national average of only 13.7%

    Which means among NFL players blacks show up at a rate 386.8% more often
    than would be expected.

    with a 95% percent Confidence level and a 5% margin of error, a population Portion of 50%, and a population of 300 million we only need a sample of 385

    If we work that backwards with a sample of 1,696 players we find that for
    the same condition our margin of error is a mere 2.33% which means by the standards of DEI the NFL engages in racially biased higher practices.

    Then you ignore the evidence in favour allowing discrimination,
    bigot.

    Yet, you're telling me they should hire less qualified

    How do you know who is 'less qualified', bigot?

    Well, first off, I wouldn't consider the person using the term bigot to describe another person discussing the facts to be more qualified than that person.

    So.. Do we fire a lot of the NFL players so we can hire suitable racially diverse players as would be required by DEI or do we just continue with
    just hiring the most qualified?

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 18:06:03 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:100560m$37nae$6@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3h3c2k9em8h3lnf2qlg4275lbtred4h71s@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 17:42:56 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
    <snip>
    Or maybe how you are paying for an apartment for a homeless
    run-away?

    Tell us what you think should be done
    about homeless Americans, esp homeless
    veterans.



    Well, "Scout"?




    Apparently his beliefs are only for other people, after all, I've
    asked him what he personally has done.. and he evades.

    IF he responds at all, it will be with the usual lame jingoes and
    slogans.

    Like Rudy did? Where is he helping? Oh, that's right, he's not.. he
    just wants to demand everyone else is forced to do so.



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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 13:34:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:cv7c2kl7qakkvsrg770nootk568p35qj2b@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:04:25 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:quk92k1npsphfpehjbdg8cd86kvb4530fc@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:18:03 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Here again is an example of you allowing yourself to be taught a lie >>>>> because it lines up with other preconceptions you have.

    Then how does a company hit their desired diversity requirements, if >>>>those
    of diversity aren't the best applicant applying for a position?

    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to influence >>>>their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided to represent >>>>'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating against better >>>>qualified candidates.

    They should consider all applicants and hire from them the best of the
    lot.

    Bingo!


    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want to drag race and gender into it.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 15 13:32:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:gg7c2k5i0e817ps6lq3nt967ntftmon5o6@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 09:02:26 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:
    <snip>
    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided
    to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating
    against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the color of >>their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    Scout doesn't understand that if you were not a white male, you
    wouldn't even be considered for the job

    At which point existing laws against racial and sexual discrimination would apply.

    . And in the event you did get
    a job, it was a job white men didn't want or at a pay rate they
    weren't willing to accept.

    See the comment above about racial and sexual discrimination laws.

    Now that everybody regardless of color, gender, etc., must be fairly evaluated and paid,

    If that were the case then why would we need DEI mandates?

    it feels to him like he's being discriminated
    against though in fact, the playing field has simply been leveled.

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would need
    to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist organization that also refuses to hire female players.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 18:57:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:10057l4$382ev$3@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 18:13:59 -0700, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 13/5/25 13:48, Tim Ekula wrote:
    On 13 May 2025, Mitchell Holman posted
    "Scout" wrote
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:27:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2025 15:13:23 -0000 (UTC), Baxter wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to
    do with any actual ideology.
    Just another political swearword like commie, wokie or DEI. >>>>>>>>>> You RADICAL LUNATIC LEFT LIBERAL MARXIST WOKE COMMIE DEI
    hire!!!!
    "DEI" to me is the new term for "equal-opportunity employer". >>>>>>>> Except it isn't equal-opportunity.. instead it is preferential >>>>>>>> opportunity... also called discrimination.
    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.
    You'd prefer black?
    We should help anyone who needs help.

    +1

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you
    assert need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly
    isn't what you want to do.


    I don't mind paying taxes that
    support homeless shelters and a
    city library and public parks.

    I don't mind paying an extra dime
    for a bag of fries if it means the
    cooks can thus afford the daycare
    they need to have a job.

    I don't mind paying a national
    park entry fee if it keeps the
    restrooms and trails maintained.

    Maybe that is the difference
    between us.........

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 12:50:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 15/5/25 9:07, Scout wrote:
    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.

    Not until 1924.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 13:00:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 15/5/25 9:06, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8p2c2kh6fdjmfbn1rf1cjnsckqmis2fcik@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:55:14 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:00:52 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote .
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of
    Africans who just
    happen to be white and waving American flags?
    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.
    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have
    argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.
    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.

    When the subject is white people refugeeing . . .

    And yet, the only basis for that is YOUR assertion that race
    was the key
    factor.

    It was and like any true lying-through-his-teeth rightist, you
    deleted
    the very evidence that proved my point.

    Then you should be able to quote it from the prior message.
    Unless, of course, you are lying about it.


    The evidence YOU SPECIFICALLY
    REQUESTED.

    which apparently you can't post

    Pothead is just fine with refugees, as long as they're
    white.

    Your assertion and you've presented nothing to show that is his
    opinion

    It's even ok for the government to CHARTER A PLANE to get them
    here.

    Why not? You certainly seem to have had no issues with Biden
    chartering planes to bring people here.

    Double standard? I think so.



    Yes, I agree.

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  • From howie ruffe@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 20:18:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 14 May 2025, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> posted some news:10042hu$30hak$2@dont-email.me:

    On 14/5/25 23:09, howie ruffe wrote:

    They should consider all applicants and hire from them the best of
    the lot.

    Bingo!
    DEI is just a way to cast a wider net to get unqualified applicants,
    scooter. You know this.

    Fixed your post.


    White men cannot jump.

    Waste of energy and affects sight picture. Keep your feet on the ground
    when aiming and squeezing.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 13:53:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 15/5/25 10:34, Scout wrote:
    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.

    How is that verified?

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 15 13:51:28 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 15/5/25 10:32, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:gg7c2k5i0e817ps6lq3nt967ntftmon5o6@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 09:02:26 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:
    <snip>
    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels
    decided
    to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means
    discriminating
    against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar
    to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the
    color of
    their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    Scout doesn't understand that if you were not a white male, you
    wouldn't even be considered for the job

    At which point existing laws against racial and sexual
    discrimination would apply.

    . And in the event you did get
    a job, it was a job white men didn't want or at a pay rate they
    weren't willing to accept.

    See the comment above about racial and sexual discrimination laws.

    Because the employer will always freely admit thus.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 14 12:34:09 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:XnsB2DF82237F91629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1002825$2ho5q$18@dont-email.me:

    Tell me.. if your race or gender has ANY influence in hiring then
    isn't that discrimination?

    If Trump engages in "DEI" hiring
    quotas how can it be wrong?

    Trump vows to nominate a woman for
    US supreme court
    Sept 0 2020

    Oh, that's rich! Biden told the world his VP *and* Supreme Court nominees must have black pussies!

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 12:46:37 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:e62c2k1paqkn2pbvi8i7l4n8q6q95fthgi@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:01:58 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:c5k92k1j9fblunvu4htjnoo20pc9o9rffk@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:02:16 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    If they are fleeing for their lives, they are refugees.

    Until they reach the first country where they aren't fleeing for their >>>>lives.. then they are no longer fleeing for their lives, are they?



    [crickets]



    Explain why white people are allowed to come here as refugees but
    brown people are not.

    Show that is the case as a matter of policy.

    The policy and practice are, is it turns out, not the same.

    Since Trump is determined to deport even legals and citizens with
    brown skin, you shouldn't need any further proof.

    We'd need proof that Trump is determined to deport even legals and citizens with
    brown skin.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 12:50:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal migrant >>>>has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order to be >>>>let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial
    governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are doing
    what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have to be >>taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, but we do >>NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less once you >>enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's greatness
    and power comes directly from the diversity of thought and
    contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    Yet you reject this in today's America.

    Because you can't prove it.

    Does China's greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought and contributions of immigrants from many different lands?

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 13:15:09 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:XnsB2E08E0BCF804629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:10057l4$382ev$3@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you
    assert need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly
    isn't what you want to do.

    I don't mind paying taxes that
    support homeless shelters and a
    city library and public parks.

    You don't need a tax to do that-- you can donate directly and cut the administrative fees governments always keep.

    I don't mind paying an extra dime
    for a bag of fries if it means the
    cooks can thus afford the daycare
    they need to have a job.

    I don't hit the fast food joints often, but I notice many of them have a TIP jar
    on their counters, so feel free to indulge your humanitarian impulses.

    I don't mind paying a national
    park entry fee if it keeps the
    restrooms and trails maintained.

    Then you're in luck-- they're already doing that.

    Maybe that is the difference
    between us.........

    That you want EVERYBODY to do what you want?

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 16:14:28 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:ouj72k94ktdtvcoj41hq09ggbtqjg5q8tn@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    The point being there are all kinds of radical groups but for
    intolerance and cruelty, National Socialism can't be beat!

    I think the Sinaloa cartel and ISIS would both dispute that.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 13:48:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of the
    budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most, about 150 million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 16:18:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:tnk92ktp40jsqhpnkj7rcaoljp1t2s3atc@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 08:59:43 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Like Trump giving refugee
    status to people from Africa.
    As long as they are white.

    You'd prefer black?

    Dodge.

    The point is, Trump wouldn't give them refugee status UNLESS they were
    white.

    Proof?

    Didn't think so.

    I guess you've missed all the stories about Trump's efforts to expel
    refugees and other immigrants, specifically those from Venezuela. They
    aren't white. Yet he's chartering planes to fly white racists...

    Cite?

    ... in from South Africa claiming refugee status and mistreatment at the hands
    of the ruling class blacks.

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/05/13/left-says-quiet-part-loud-whites-need-not-apply-asylum/

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 16:48:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/15/2025 1:48 PM, On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and
    *failed* — to bullshit:

    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of the
    budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most, about 150
    million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?
    Which includes multiple instances of double counting, o oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch).

    --
    Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 15 16:21:16 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:6ij92kdo32u6o9pf4he9p6rrpq7vvhjtlk@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:48:14 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:pak72k1bp7tmmnl2r88o3lpscpcksl45bi@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:25:17 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well ignoring the whole irrelevant notion of left/right let's look at what >>>>antifa stands for

    1) dictatorial leadership (check)

    Not true. Antifa strives against dictatorial leadership and for the
    rights of the People.

    And if you don't do what antifa wants.. they attack you, set fire to >>building, destroy stuff and otherwise inflict harm about those who don't >>conform to their desires.

    Sounds rather dictatorial to me, and a violent one at that.

    Rather like Timothy McVeigh or an abortion bomber.

    dictatorial
    /?dikt?'tre?l/
    adjective
    of or typical of a ruler with total power.
    "a dictatorial regime"
    having or showing a tendency to tell people what to do in an autocratic way.

    2) centralized power (check)

    Wrong again.

    On the contrary they want to be in charge, to set rules and policies, and >>for everyone else to bow to their agenda.

    No, they don't, they're calling for certain policies to be changed,
    not seeking office.

    3) militarism (check)

    Just like Republicans and Democrats. If you don't believe me, ask
    around in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    4) suppression of dissent (check)

    Wrong again. Antifa is itself a dissenting organization which, again,
    stresses the rights and freedoms of the People.

    Which also does not tolerate dissent against them.

    Dissension against them means systemic racism.

    5) rejects the idea of equality and promotes a rigid social hierarchy where >>>>some groups or individuals are considered superior to others. (check)

    Not merely wrong but the diametric opposite of what Antifa hopes to
    achieve.

    And yet, they feel themselves to be superior to everyone else, free to >>ignore our laws, codes of conduct or even rational behavior.

    No, they don't. You, otoh, clearly feel inferior to them. Why is
    that? And you support a leader who is breaking laws left and right
    but you have no problem with HIM ignoring our laws.

    6) Seeks to control all aspects of society, including the economy, >>>>culture, and education. (check)

    Again, wrong. Antifa supports egalitarian aims.

    As they beat up people in the street and destroy their property.. are you >>claiming this is the sort of society we should seek to be?

    The French Revolution was similarly violent despite their chants of, "Libert, galit, Fraternit." Were the French revolutionaries
    seeking a society of violence, mass death and destruction?

    7) relies on propaganda and manipulative tactics to control the population >>>>(check)

    Wrong again but again, one needs only to look at Democrats and
    Republicans to see that they are masters of propganda.

    Pointing at others does not absolve them of their own propaganda and >>manipulation.

    It occurs to me that all these bogus criticism of Antifa prove your
    racial bias. You will deny it, but I don't hear you complaining about
    right wing extremists and their destructive tendencies.

    8) opposes democratic principles like freedom of speech, free and fair >>>>elections, and rule of law (check)

    Again, the very opposite of what Antifa stands for. Freedom, fairness
    and especially rule of law are the core of Antifa.

    Really? With all the violence, looting and outright destruction.. is what >>you consider obeying the "rule of law"?

    Those are demonstrations, anger being vented, not an example of the
    society they wish to create.

    in principles, policies, agenda, and action I see no real difference between
    this group and Nazis, they just assert they have a better reason to engage, >>>>impose, promote, advocate, or otherwise carry these things. out.

    Of course, Baxter is sort of a one dimensional thinker and sees only a line,
    when in reality political views, agendas, methods, etc is a >>>>multidimensional grid, and whether you get it by moving right or moving >>>>left the result is the same only the excuses for doing it are different.

    Meanwhile you use antifa as a swear word like commie, wokie or librul.

    No, I judge them by their acts.. including their need to hide their >>identities so they can not be caught/ prosecuted for their crimes.

    You have no idea what antifa means, you've merely allowed yourself to
    be taught that it's a bad thing. Why would you do this? Because you
    perceive antifa as being a black movement which must, therefore, be
    bad.

    Well, do I consider mass riots to be a bad thing?

    Yes, I do

    Do I consider looting to be a bad thing?

    Yes, I do.

    Do I consider hiding your identity while violating the law to be a bad >>thing?

    Yes, I do

    Do I consider physical attacks against others because they don't accept your >>views to be a bad thing?

    Yes, I do.

    Yet you completely ignore the aims of this movement and fail to credit
    the role of anger in their activities due to the injustices they've
    been subjected to for centuries.

    I could be wrong, but it seems that most of those I've seen arrested for antifa activities are rich white kids.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to max headroom on Thu May 15 17:44:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 15/5/25 12:50, max headroom wrote:
    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's greatness
    and power comes directly from the diversity of thought and
    contributions of immigrants from many different lands.
    Yet you reject this in today's America.
    Because you can't prove it.

    Does China's greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought and contributions of immigrants from many different lands?

    China became the world's bitch because it refused a diversity of
    thought. Now that they have gotten over themselves, the world may
    become their bitch.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to max headroom on Thu May 15 17:32:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 15/5/25 16:14, max headroom wrote:
    In news:ouj72k94ktdtvcoj41hq09ggbtqjg5q8tn@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    The point being there are all kinds of radical groups but for
    intolerance and cruelty, National Socialism can't be beat!

    I think the Sinaloa cartel and ISIS would both dispute that.



    You would think that.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
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    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to max headroom on Fri May 16 01:41:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:1005t1j$3cm8j$5@dont-email.me:

    In news:XnsB2E08E0BCF804629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:10057l4$382ev$3@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you
    assert need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly
    isn't what you want to do.

    I don't mind paying taxes that
    support homeless shelters and a
    city library and public parks.

    You don't need a tax to do that-- you can donate directly and cut the administrative fees governments always keep.


    Do you "donate directly" to pay for
    police and jails and courts and street
    repairs?




    I don't mind paying an extra dime
    for a bag of fries if it means the
    cooks can thus afford the daycare
    they need to have a job.

    I don't hit the fast food joints often, but I notice many of them have
    a TIP jar on their counters, so feel free to indulge your humanitarian impulses.


    It is not the job of customers to
    workers salaries, that is the duty of
    MANAGEMENT.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Max@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 03:44:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 15 May 2025, "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> posted some news:1005t1m$3cm8j$6@dont-email.me:

    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of the
    budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most, about 150
    million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?

    I'd take one of those billions and be very happy with it.

    That number doesn't include the COVID EDD fraud in the blue
    states of California, Oregon and Minnesota.

    Oregon paid $215.2 million in fraudulent unemployment claims between April
    1, 2020, and March 31, 2021

    Virginia paid $1.1 billion in fraudulent unemployment claims between April
    1, 2020, and March 31, 2021

    Illinois paid $666.6 million in fraudulent unemployment claims between
    April 1, 2020, and March 31, 2021

    We need to see some jail time for public officials.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Fri May 16 08:27:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1005gfu$3a1fv$1@dont-email.me...
    On 15/5/25 9:07, Scout wrote:
    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.

    Not until 1924.

    Oh, we controlled it LONG before then. Sure the rules were a lot looser but they were still there.

    Research the term "The Island of Tears" and why Ellis Island was called
    that.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 16 08:31:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1mgd2khgm73m8dj168eo2v2sank0rs2pga@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 11:47:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Meanwhile I acknowledge your allegations as a diversion from why these >>deportations are occurring, which has nothing to do with race.

    Bullshit.

    Well, that's certainly a deep, thoughtful and well documented rebuttal...

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 16 08:28:22 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order to >>>>>>be
    let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial
    governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are doing >>>>> what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have to >>>>be
    taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, but >>>>we
    do
    NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less once >>>>you
    enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.


    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's greatness
    and power comes directly from the diversity of thought and
    contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.


    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Thank you for proving my point.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Fri May 16 08:30:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1005h41$3a45l$1@dont-email.me...
    On 15/5/25 9:06, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:8p2c2kh6fdjmfbn1rf1cjnsckqmis2fcik@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 13:55:14 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 09:00:52 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote .
    On Tue, 13 May 2025 21:46:08 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:
    So why are the democrats up in arms about a handful of
    Africans who just
    happen to be white and waving American flags?
    Because it points out your racial/ethnic hate.
    Trump says America is full. You and your compatriots have
    argued for
    the longest that we have no need of such immigrants.
    But when WHITE people want to emigrate, your tune changes.

    Really? Show that pothead's tune has changed.

    When the subject is white people refugeeing . . .

    And yet, the only basis for that is YOUR assertion that race
    was the key
    factor.

    It was and like any true lying-through-his-teeth rightist, you
    deleted
    the very evidence that proved my point.

    Then you should be able to quote it from the prior message.
    Unless, of course, you are lying about it.


    The evidence YOU SPECIFICALLY
    REQUESTED.

    which apparently you can't post

    Pothead is just fine with refugees, as long as they're
    white.

    Your assertion and you've presented nothing to show that is his
    opinion

    It's even ok for the government to CHARTER A PLANE to get them
    here.

    Why not? You certainly seem to have had no issues with Biden
    chartering planes to bring people here.

    Double standard? I think so.



    Yes, I agree.

    I'm sure you would, but did you ever hear me complain about that?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Fri May 16 08:32:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1005k33$3an28$1@dont-email.me...
    On 15/5/25 10:32, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:gg7c2k5i0e817ps6lq3nt967ntftmon5o6@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 09:02:26 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:
    <snip>
    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels
    decided
    to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means
    discriminating
    against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar
    to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the
    color of
    their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    Scout doesn't understand that if you were not a white male, you
    wouldn't even be considered for the job

    At which point existing laws against racial and sexual
    discrimination would apply.

    . And in the event you did get
    a job, it was a job white men didn't want or at a pay rate they
    weren't willing to accept.

    See the comment above about racial and sexual discrimination laws.

    Because the employer will always freely admit thus.

    So, you have no real response to challenge my point.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Fri May 16 08:36:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:1005t1j$3cm8j$5@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E08E0BCF804629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:10057l4$382ev$3@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you
    assert need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly
    isn't what you want to do.

    I don't mind paying taxes that
    support homeless shelters and a
    city library and public parks.

    You don't need a tax to do that-- you can donate directly and cut the administrative fees governments always keep.

    particularly when doing it that way means 50-80% of the donation is used for "administrative overhead" or whatever the current excuse is for keeping most
    of the donation.


    I don't mind paying an extra dime
    for a bag of fries if it means the
    cooks can thus afford the daycare
    they need to have a job.

    I don't hit the fast food joints often, but I notice many of them have a
    TIP jar on their counters, so feel free to indulge your humanitarian impulses.

    Which would probably involve him emptying the jar into his pocket.


    I don't mind paying a national
    park entry fee if it keeps the
    restrooms and trails maintained.

    Then you're in luck-- they're already doing that.

    Maybe that is the difference
    between us.........

    That you want EVERYBODY to do what you want?

    Bulls eye - 10 points

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 16 08:38:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1dhd2k1f8jl3dioi384k58jmkidluran41@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:17:01 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    <snip>
    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you
    assert
    need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly isn't >>what you want to do.


    What would Jesus do if he saw a hungry man in rags who needed help?

    The real question is what would YOU do.

    Steal my money to keep most of it and give only a little to to the hungry
    man?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 16 08:40:43 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:u1hd2k5aleqsk8dh8d9039s43orrrhl71h@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:06:03 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >>news:100560m$37nae$6@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3h3c2k9em8h3lnf2qlg4275lbtred4h71s@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 17:42:56 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
    <snip>
    Or maybe how you are paying for an apartment for a homeless
    run-away?

    Tell us what you think should be done
    about homeless Americans, esp homeless
    veterans.



    Well, "Scout"?


    Yes, I'm doing well, thank you for asking.

    Apparently his beliefs are only for other people, after all, I've
    asked him what he personally has done.. and he evades.

    IF he responds at all, it will be with the usual lame jingoes and
    slogans.

    Like Rudy did? Where is he helping? Oh, that's right, he's not.. he
    just wants to demand everyone else is forced to do so.

    I rest my case.

    Well it wasn't much of a case.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 16 12:55:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1007c7b $3p2r7$10@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:u1hd2k5aleqsk8dh8d9039s43orrrhl71h@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 18:06:03 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >>>news:100560m$37nae$6@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:3h3c2k9em8h3lnf2qlg4275lbtred4h71s@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 17:42:56 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
    <snip>
    Or maybe how you are paying for an apartment for a homeless
    run-away?

    Tell us what you think should be done
    about homeless Americans, esp homeless
    veterans.



    Well, "Scout"?


    Yes, I'm doing well, thank you for asking.


    I knew you couldn't answer the question.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 11:48:44 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:q3hd2ktmulkkku2188bgnr85hv12o94u20@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:48:31 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of the
    budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most, about 150
    million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?

    No. Actual cost cutting done by DOGE comes to around 150m.

    The rest is bogus. There's stuff like contracts that ended being
    counted as a DOGE spending cut.

    Cite?

    If you're not going to spend what you had planned to spend, that's not a spending cut?

    Even if it was billions, where you gonna get the other 1,900 billion
    Musk promised to cut?

    Yeah, wth? It's already been three months!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 11:57:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:XnsB2E0D27F941D0629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:1005t1j$3cm8j$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:XnsB2E08E0BCF804629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:10057l4$382ev$3@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you
    assert need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly
    isn't what you want to do.

    I don't mind paying taxes that
    support homeless shelters and a
    city library and public parks.

    You don't need a tax to do that-- you can donate directly and cut the
    administrative fees governments always keep.

    Do you "donate directly" to pay for
    police and jails and courts and street
    repairs?

    Very clumsy goalpost move attempt. Going from homeless shelters, libraries, and parks to police, jails, courts, and street M&O?!? Really?

    I don't mind paying an extra dime
    for a bag of fries if it means the
    cooks can thus afford the daycare
    they need to have a job.

    I don't hit the fast food joints often, but I notice many of them have
    a TIP jar on their counters, so feel free to indulge your humanitarian
    impulses.

    It is not the job of customers to [sic]
    workers salaries, that is the duty of
    MANAGEMENT.

    Explain yourself.

    Maybe that is the difference
    between us.........

    That you want EVERYBODY to do what you want?



    [crickets]

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 16 18:28:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in >>>>>>>order to be
    let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial
    governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are
    doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have >>>>>to be
    taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, >>>>>but we
    do
    NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less >>>>>once you
    enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.


    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought
    and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.


    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....


    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 12:02:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal migrant >>>>>>>>has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order to >>>>>>>>be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial >>>>>>> governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are >>>>>>> doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have to be >>>>>>taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, but we >>>>>>do NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less once >>>>>>you enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought
    and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From howie ruffe@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 22:16:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 13 May 2025, Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> posted some news:dxOUP.101056$7ja6.40600@fx45.iad:

    On 5/13/2025 1:48 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:

    Lou Bricano <lb@cap.con> wrote in
    news:tALUP.385088$9uW6.73918@fx47.iad:

    On 5/12/2025 7:57 PM, Bugster, willfully and aggressively stupid
    commie liar, lied:


    They educate students that private schools would not and
    could not teach.
    Private schools reject them because they are the incorrigible
    offspring of shitbags — shitbags like you.


    There we get down to it - Bricano is a bigot that [sic] thinks he's
    better than others.
    Not bigotry to oppose chronic anti-social and criminal behavior and
    not want my kid to be threatened in school.

    Blame the Democrats for that. They're the perverts who forced
    desegregation, homos and trannys on public schools. There is no
    justifiable reason for children to be exposed to that.

    Apart from a summer music program, my son didn't spend one day in
    public schools, and I'm very pleased about that. The police were never
    called to any of his schools. There was no cop ("school resource
    officer") in any of his schools, ever. They are a *fixture* at a lot
    of public schools.

    Again, put the blame where it belongs, on Democrats. They should all be tarred, feathered, and painted pepto pink.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mikey@21:1/5 to Derek Nash on Sat May 17 02:00:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-13, Derek Nash <dereknash@outlooky.com> wrote:
    On 5/12/2025 3:46 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 12:48:49 -0400, "Scout"wrote:
    "Creon" <creon@creon.earth> wrote
    On Mon, 12 May 2025 08:19:06 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    <snip>
    "Socialist" is just a opprobrious word to KKKlaun. Has nothing to do >>>>>> with any actual ideology.

    Like "Nazi" to you freaks, right?

    What's another good name for "white supremacist nationalist fascists"? >>>>
    BTW, even the famous Godwin of "Godwin's Law" has said they're Nazis.

    Tell me if they were black supremacist nationalist fascists would they still
    be Nazis.... if not, what term would apply to such people?



    They called them "Black Panthers". There have been a few such groups.
    Stop it. The Black Panthers were black nationalists, but were not the least bit
    fascist, let alone Nazi.


    Big deal they would have their IRS income tax checked seized and maybe a 15% garnish of their payroll check or Social Security Check.

    That is a lot cheaper then $1,000 per month.

    If they are independent contractors they will get no garnishment.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat May 17 02:06:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me:

    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>>migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to >>>>>>>>>say in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial governments have destroyed their own economies so
    the people are doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you >>>>>>>have to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have >>>>>>>issues with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every refugee >>>>>>>in the world, much less once you enter another country in which >>>>>>>those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought
    and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?





    "Official statistics record that only around
    2% were refused entry to the US"

    https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20241108-the-migrants-who-passed- through-ellis-island

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sat May 17 02:58:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100827c$3tiu7$2 @dont-email.me:

    In news:q3hd2ktmulkkku2188bgnr85hv12o94u20@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:48:31 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of
    the
    budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most, about
    150
    million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?

    No. Actual cost cutting done by DOGE comes to around 150m.

    The rest is bogus. There's stuff like contracts that ended being
    counted as a DOGE spending cut.

    Cite?

    If you're not going to spend what you had planned to spend, that's not
    a
    spending cut?

    Even if it was billions, where you gonna get the other 1,900 billion
    Musk promised to cut?

    Yeah, wth? It's already been three months!


    DOGE is actually costing more than they're saving.

    And then there's the claim of 40% of phone calls into SS are fraud. DOGE
    put in some fancy fraud detection and found 2 fraud out of 110,000 calls.

    Why did they think 40% fraud? Turns out that 40% of fraud is linked to
    phone calls, but fraud is actually so rare ... you got the rest already.

    Meantime, that DOGE fraud detection stuff slowed down response times and resolutions by weeks and customer frustration through the roof.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From edell@post.com@21:1/5 to Rudy on Sat May 17 06:47:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In <pJMVP.714354$bRfb.473260@fx16.iad> Rudy said:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in >>>>>>>>order to be
    let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial governments have destroyed their own economies so
    the people are doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you
    have to be
    taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, >>>>>>but we
    do
    NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less >>>>>>once you
    enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.


    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought
    and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.


    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    No they weren't you lying sack of dog shit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nosp on Sat May 17 08:27:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On Fri, 16 May 2025 08:32:47 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1005k33$3an28$1@dont-email.me...
    On 15/5/25 10:32, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:gg7c2k5i0e817ps6lq3nt967ntftmon5o6@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 09:02:26 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:
    <snip>
    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels
    decided
    to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means
    discriminating
    against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar
    to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the
    color of
    their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    Scout doesn't understand that if you were not a white male, you
    wouldn't even be considered for the job

    At which point existing laws against racial and sexual
    discrimination would apply.

    . And in the event you did get
    a job, it was a job white men didn't want or at a pay rate they
    weren't willing to accept.

    See the comment above about racial and sexual discrimination laws.

    Because the employer will always freely admit thus.

    So, you have no real response to challenge my point.



    Yoiu expect differently from Siri?

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 18:40:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would need >>to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in racial >>discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender discrimination. Not a >>single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist organization that >>also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    ... You can dream but dreams are not reality.

    Reality is messy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 16 18:30:44 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want to drag >>race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your own petard!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 07:25:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:XnsB2E1D6A3FF493629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me:
    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>>>migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to >>>>>>>>>>say in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial governments have destroyed their own economies so >>>>>>>>> the people are doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you >>>>>>>>have to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have >>>>>>>>issues with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every refugee >>>>>>>>in the world, much less once you enter another country in which >>>>>>>>those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought >>>>>>> and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    "Official statistics record that only around
    2% were refused entry to the US"

    "But not everyone....."

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 17 07:33:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:1008u18$6anv$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100827c$3tiu7$2 @dont-email.me:
    In news:q3hd2ktmulkkku2188bgnr85hv12o94u20@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:48:31 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of the >>>>> budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most, about 150 >>>>> million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?

    No. Actual cost cutting done by DOGE comes to around 150m.

    The rest is bogus. There's stuff like contracts that ended being
    counted as a DOGE spending cut.

    Cite?

    If you're not going to spend what you had planned to spend, that's not a
    spending cut?

    Even if it was billions, where you gonna get the other 1,900 billion
    Musk promised to cut?

    Yeah, wth? It's already been three months!

    DOGE is actually costing more than they're saving.

    Cite?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sun May 18 03:33:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would >>>need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender >>>discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.


    ... You can dream but dreams are not reality.

    Reality is messy.




    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Sun May 18 03:38:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100a7gm$eft2$6@dont-email.me:

    In news:1008u18$6anv$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100827c$3tiu7$2 @dont-email.me:
    In news:q3hd2ktmulkkku2188bgnr85hv12o94u20@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:48:31 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of
    the budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most,
    about 150 million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?

    No. Actual cost cutting done by DOGE comes to around 150m.

    The rest is bogus. There's stuff like contracts that ended being
    counted as a DOGE spending cut.

    Cite?

    If you're not going to spend what you had planned to spend, that's
    not a spending cut?

    Even if it was billions, where you gonna get the other 1,900
    billion Musk promised to cut?

    Yeah, wth? It's already been three months!

    DOGE is actually costing more than they're saving.

    Cite?

    ===========
    Is Elon Musk's DOGE costing US taxpayers more than it's saving?

    https://www.indy100.com/politics/elon-musk-doge-costing-us-taxpayers- saving-money

    note:
    - DOGE claims of savings have been vastly overstated. We don't have an accurat figure.
    - The $135bn costs does not include the expense of DOGE defending
    lawsuits brought against it either, nor the impact of estimated lost tax collections due to staff cuts at the IRS (Internal Revenue Service).

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 15:46:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote in news:2tcj2ktk50hta3osnulbo0poo85em30k0b@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuckin g.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Is Elon Musk's DOGE costing US taxpayers more than it's saving?

    Leftists HATE not being able to waste money.

    LOL


    =============
    Elon Musk Is Doing Business With Actual Terrorists, Nonprofit Finds
    "There is clear evidence of these groups profiting and fundraising through
    X."

    https://futurism.com/elon-musk-twitter-subscription-terrorists

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 15:48:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:9vcj2khbk8g4l0f3ii2bppev63e2sl0f2r@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players
    would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>>>racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender >>>>>discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist >>>>>organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    "Leroy Baxter" thinks "men" can have babies.


    KKKlaun believes Haitians were eating dogs and cats, and consumers-don't-pay-tariffs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 09:20:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:100bkdg$qkpo$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would >>>>need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>>racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender >>>>discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    Non sequitur.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to howie ruffe on Sun May 18 20:13:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    howie ruffe <hruffe@csu.edu> wrote in news:100bl68$ki5$6@toxic.dizum.net:

    On 16 May 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:1008u18$6anv$1@dont-email.me:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100827c$3tiu7$2
    @dont-email.me:

    In news:q3hd2ktmulkkku2188bgnr85hv12o94u20@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:48:31 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:fp5c2k9sc45s0h79dduhop88ool7l59dga@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Musk was supposed to cut spending by 2T, more than a *quarter* of
    the
    budget. Ambitious is an understatement. He found, at most, about
    150
    million, little of that in long term spending.

    You meant $160 billion, right?

    No. Actual cost cutting done by DOGE comes to around 150m.

    The rest is bogus. There's stuff like contracts that ended being
    counted as a DOGE spending cut.

    Cite?

    If you're not going to spend what you had planned to spend, that's
    not
    a
    spending cut?

    Even if it was billions, where you gonna get the other 1,900 billion
    Musk promised to cut?

    Yeah, wth? It's already been three months!


    DOGE is actually costing more than they're saving.

    Whatever it costs it's worth it.

    Only in the eyes of anrchists.


    And then there's the claim of 40% of phone calls into SS are fraud.
    DOGE put in some fancy fraud detection and found 2 fraud out of
    110,000 calls.

    Let's elaborate on that.

    Many people fail to do the following.

    Provide their correct full names when filling out government
    application
    forms.

    Provide their correct full address when filling out government
    application forms.

    Fail to update their correct full address when filling out government application forms.

    They stupidly use their work phone instead of their personal phone when filling out government application forms.

    They signed up for a social security account and ignored the emails
    telling them to move to login.gov or id.me. If they did, they didn't
    follow the name and address instructions again. Totally their fault.

    Those things right there cause the most problems and trigger audits.
    =============
    AI Overview
    Learn more
    The statement "doge 2 out of 110,000" refers to a recent report from the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and the Social Security Administration (SSA). It indicates that out of over 110,000 Social
    Security benefit claims reviewed, only two had a "high probability" of
    being fraudulent. This is a significant discrepancy from the 40% fraud
    figure previously claimed by DOGE and some MAGA figures.
    Here's a more detailed breakdown:

    DOGE's Initial Claim:
    DOGE, under the leadership of Elon Musk, claimed that a large portion
    of calls to the SSA were fraudulent, leading to a system to track these
    calls.

    The Actual Findings:
    The system found that only two claims out of 110,000 had a high
    probability of being fraudulent, according to Nextgov.
    The Discrepancy:
    This contrasts sharply with the 40% figure initially promoted by DOGE,
    which was subsequently found to be inaccurate, according to the Daily
    Beast.

    Impact of the Fraud Tracker:
    DOGE's fraud tracker, intended to address the perceived fraud, actually
    slowed down Social Security processing significantly and led to delays in payments, according to Yahoo.

    Public Backlash:
    The changes implemented by DOGE, including the phased-out phone support,
    faced public backlash due to the negative impact on service.


    Why did they think 40% fraud? Turns out that 40% of fraud is linked
    to phone calls, but fraud is actually so rare ... you got the rest
    already.

    "Retired Judge, Attorney and Psychologist Indicted in $600 Million
    Social Security Fraud Scheme"

    "Indictment Charges Man With Stealing $117,000 in Social Security
    Benefits"

    "ICE arrests Brazilian national for selling fake Social Security cards
    and green cards"

    "Social Security employee heads to prison for creating fake childrens profiles to steal public funds"

    "22 Named in Federal Cases Alleging Theft of Social Security Benefits"

    "Federal prosecutors in St. Louis charged a Salem, Missouri
    felon with concealing his uncle's death to steal at least $650,000 in disability benefits."

    More from the horse's mouth.

    https://oig.ssa.gov/news-releases/page/48/index.html

    Meantime, that DOGE fraud detection stuff slowed down response times
    and resolutions by weeks and customer frustration through the roof.

    That's because DOGE forced the sluggards at social security to start
    doing their jobs.

    You're an idiot. SS staff has been cut, and now that stuff doesn't get
    done because there's nobody to do those jobs.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 20:16:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in news:qu7k2k9gmjf2vkah8jtlcsai5sam2lrp37 @Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:9vcj2khbk8g4l0f3ii2bppev63e2sl0f2r@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck >>ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players
    would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged
    in
    racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender >>>>>>>discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist >>>>>>>organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional
    sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    "Leroy Baxter" thinks "men" can have babies.


    KKKlaun believes Haitians were eating dogs and cats, and >>consumers-don't-pay-tariffs.

    Haitian cuisine typically includes fish, chicken, pork, goat, and
    beans as primary protein sources.

    But you supported the guys that claimed Haitians in Springfield were
    eating people's pets.

    Consumers do not pay tariffs. But now Baxter will explain that last
    time he paid a tariff

    Right here ---->

    KKKLaun can't read plain English. Perhaps that's why he supports the
    people that keep claiming that it's China and other countries and not the
    US that is paying for tRump's tariffs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 21:57:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:kahk2k99d4vkksam4fe18vms1ibklabuk9@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:


    KKKLaun can't read plain English. Perhaps that's why he supports the >>people that keep claiming that it's China and other countries and not
    the US that is paying for tRump's tariffs.

    As predicted, Baxter failed to provide any evidence of his specious
    claim.


    KKKlaun demands that I provide evidence of the claim that he put in my
    mouth.

    I swear, conservaturds have only one brain cell to share between ALL of
    them, and it's rotting and stinking.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From J Carlson@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sun May 18 16:17:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/18/2025 1:16 PM, Baxter wrote:

    KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
    wrote
    in

    news:9vcj2khbk8g4l0f3ii2bppev63e2sl0f2r@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
    ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players
    would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged
    in
    racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional
    sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    "Leroy Baxter" thinks "men" can have babies.


    KKKlaun believes Haitians were eating dogs and cats, and
    consumers-don't-pay-tariffs.

    Haitian cuisine typically includes fish, chicken, pork, goat, and
    beans as primary protein sources.

    Trump and Couchfucker Vance said Haitians in Ohio were eating pet dogs and cats.
    They were lying, of course.


    But you supported the guys that claimed Haitians in Springfield were
    eating people's pets.

    Consumers do not pay tariffs.

    Tariffs are, of course, passed on to consumers in the form of higher prices. This is not in rational dispute.


    Right here ---->

    KKKLaun can't read plain English. Perhaps that's why he supports the
    people that keep claiming that it's China and other countries and not the
    US that is paying for tRump's tariffs.
    Tariffs are paid by people in the country that imposes the tariffs. Everyone who
    knows anything about trade and tax incidence knows this.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Mon May 19 08:20:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>>migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say >>>>>>>>>in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial >>>>>>>> governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are >>>>>>>> doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have >>>>>>>to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues >>>>>>>with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the >>>>>>>world, much less once you enter another country in which those >>>>>>>conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought
    and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    Further immigration was clearly being controlled.. that the steamship lines were engaged in most of that doesn't alter the fact that it was occurring.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon May 19 08:21:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:l44m2kdipfpk8dj2nkhfua4u9rvp99ql8i@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 08:28:22 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in order >>>>>>>>to
    be
    let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial >>>>>>> governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are >>>>>>> doing
    what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have to >>>>>>be
    taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, but >>>>>>we
    do
    NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less once >>>>>>you
    enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.


    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's greatness >>>>> and power comes directly from the diversity of thought and
    contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.


    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Thank you for proving my point.



    Thanks for proving mine.

    That you lied?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon May 19 08:22:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >>news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>>migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in >>>>>>>>>order to be
    let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial >>>>>>>> governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are >>>>>>>> doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have >>>>>>>to be
    taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues with, >>>>>>>but we
    do
    NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less >>>>>>>once you
    enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply.


    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought
    and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.


    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....


    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to NoBody on Mon May 19 08:24:34 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "NoBody" <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:640h2k9vmg2l18b33n9nkuv1292da0ausp@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 08:32:47 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:1005k33$3an28$1@dont-email.me...
    On 15/5/25 10:32, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:gg7c2k5i0e817ps6lq3nt967ntftmon5o6@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 09:02:26 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:
    <snip>
    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to >>>>>>>>> influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels
    decided
    to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means
    discriminating
    against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar
    to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the
    color of
    their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    Scout doesn't understand that if you were not a white male, you
    wouldn't even be considered for the job

    At which point existing laws against racial and sexual
    discrimination would apply.

    . And in the event you did get
    a job, it was a job white men didn't want or at a pay rate they
    weren't willing to accept.

    See the comment above about racial and sexual discrimination laws.

    Because the employer will always freely admit thus.

    So, you have no real response to challenge my point.



    Yoiu expect differently from Siri?

    Not really, but one does hope, futility perhaps, but still hopes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon May 19 08:29:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:gg7c2k5i0e817ps6lq3nt967ntftmon5o6@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 09:02:26 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:
    <snip>
    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels decided >>>>>>> to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means discriminating >>>>>>> against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar to the
    baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the color of >>>>their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    Scout doesn't understand that if you were not a white male, you
    wouldn't even be considered for the job

    At which point existing laws against racial and sexual discrimination
    would
    apply.

    . And in the event you did get
    a job, it was a job white men didn't want or at a pay rate they
    weren't willing to accept.

    See the comment above about racial and sexual discrimination laws.

    Now that everybody regardless of color, gender, etc., must be fairly
    evaluated and paid,

    BECAUSE of DEI (and other) mandates . . .

    Actually DEI engages, promotes and even advocates for racial and sexual discrimination. Since now you have to meet your quotas of 'diversity' which
    has NOTHING to do with who has the best abilities.

    If that were the case then why would we need DEI mandates?

    You are so determined to be right in your bigotry that you can't even
    follow the thread of a conversation.

    Oh, I can follow it just fine. I'm just wondering why when considering
    ability you need to consider race/gender as required by DEI mandates.

    it feels to him like he's being discriminated
    against though in fact, the playing field has simply been leveled.

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would need >>to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in racial >>discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender discrimination. Not a >>single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist organization >>that
    also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not. You can dream but dreams are not reality.

    I see, so it's not discrimination if race distribution in the work place is massively contrary to race distribution in the public which is a violation
    of DEI mandates as long as you are of the right race..... and they still
    don't have a single female player in the NFL.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 19 08:32:30 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100bkdg$qkpo$1@dont-email.me...
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would >>>>need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>>racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender >>>>discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    Whether it is or isn't does not change the fact they are companies engaged
    in racially and sexual discrimination under the DEI mandates.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Mon May 19 08:36:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:100d1jq$12pqi$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:100bkdg$qkpo$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would >>>>>need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>>>racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender >>>>>discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist >>>>>organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    Non sequitur.

    Yep.. whether they are a sport or not is irrelevant. They are a business and under DEI mandates their hiring practices are discriminatory.

    Duck and dodge as he wants.. he can't explain why race should be of any consideration in hiring as DEI mandates it should.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 19 08:33:55 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100dl54$16tqi$2@dont-email.me...
    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:kahk2k99d4vkksam4fe18vms1ibklabuk9@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:


    KKKLaun can't read plain English. Perhaps that's why he supports the >>>people that keep claiming that it's China and other countries and not
    the US that is paying for tRump's tariffs.

    As predicted, Baxter failed to provide any evidence of his specious
    claim.


    KKKlaun demands that I provide evidence of the claim that he put in my
    mouth.

    So you are now accusing him of forging your posts?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Mon May 19 08:41:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:100a7ga$eft2$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want to >>>drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your own
    petard!

    <bows>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon May 19 08:59:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:sr4m2klluh0j9jv21ngmrtpcna6tkvquf3@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 08:38:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    What would Jesus do if he saw a hungry man in rags who needed help?

    The real question is what would YOU do.

    Steal my money to keep most of it and give only a little to to the hungry >>man?

    No, I'd feed him.

    That's what America should do.

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    ...or did you not mean what you just said?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon May 19 08:48:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want to >>drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    You are the one pushing someone's race and gender into it...
    you are the one showing themselves to be the bigot....

    After all, for YOU clearly a person's race and/or gender is a matter of
    concern to you.

    bigot
    /'big?t/
    noun
    a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion,
    or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward
    a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Mon May 19 09:06:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:100827g$3tiu7$3@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E0D27F941D0629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:1005t1j$3cm8j$5@dont-email.me:
    In news:XnsB2E08E0BCF804629555@185.151.15.160, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:10057l4$382ev$3@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5k3c2k91ovl8qnckbi07nnntu42pj0c55p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:08:51 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Feel free to help anyone you want with your own money.

    That's just selfish.

    Yea, it's certainly selfish to demand that you pay to help those you >>>>> assert need to be helped.

    Interesting once we are talking about YOUR money... helping suddenly >>>>> isn't what you want to do.

    I don't mind paying taxes that
    support homeless shelters and a
    city library and public parks.

    You don't need a tax to do that-- you can donate directly and cut the
    administrative fees governments always keep.

    Do you "donate directly" to pay for
    police and jails and courts and street
    repairs?

    Very clumsy goalpost move attempt. Going from homeless shelters,
    libraries, and parks to police, jails, courts, and street M&O?!? Really?

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in reality government is often the worst organization for the job.

    I don't mind paying an extra dime
    for a bag of fries if it means the
    cooks can thus afford the daycare
    they need to have a job.

    I don't hit the fast food joints often, but I notice many of them have
    a TIP jar on their counters, so feel free to indulge your humanitarian
    impulses.

    It is not the job of customers to [sic]
    workers salaries, that is the duty of
    MANAGEMENT.

    Explain yourself.

    He feels that having a middleman somehow makes the process more economical
    as if the staff will see 100% of that extra cost.

    Maybe that is the difference
    between us.........

    That you want EVERYBODY to do what you want?



    [crickets]

    The sudden silence was rather telling...

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 14:19:26 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-19, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>>>migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say >>>>>>>>>>in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their dictotorial >>>>>>>>> governments have destroyed their own economies so the people are >>>>>>>>> doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you have >>>>>>>>to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues >>>>>>>>with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the >>>>>>>>world, much less once you enter another country in which those >>>>>>>>conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought >>>>>>> and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived >>>>> was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    Further immigration was clearly being controlled.. that the steamship lines were engaged in most of that doesn't alter the fact that it was occurring.


    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and known criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 10:14:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 19/5/25 5:59, Scout wrote:
    No, I'd feed him.

    That's what America should do.

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    ...or did you not mean what you just said?


    How long do you keep your job when your company has no one to
    sell to?

    --
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 10:16:35 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 19/5/25 5:36, Scout wrote:
    Yep.. whether they are a sport or not is irrelevant. They are a
    business and under DEI mandates their hiring practices are
    discriminatory.

    Duck and dodge as he wants.. he can't explain why race should be
    of any consideration in hiring as DEI mandates it should.


    Is the population large enough to make statistical inferences?

    --
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 17:26:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:100fbtg $1l1c7$10@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >>>news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every illegal >>>>>>>>>>migrant
    has been coached as to what boxes to check and what to say in >>>>>>>>>>order to be
    let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial
    governments have destroyed their own economies so the people
    are
    doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you
    have
    to be
    taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you have issues
    with,
    but we
    do
    NOT have to gramt access to every refugee in the world, much less >>>>>>>>once you
    enter another country in which those conditions no longer apply. >>>>>>>>

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of thought >>>>>>> and contributions of immigrants from many different lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.


    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived
    was accepted.

    But not everyone.....


    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....



    But not your ancestors, unfortunately.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Mon May 19 11:47:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100fp1j$1nohi$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:36, Scout wrote:
    Yep.. whether they are a sport or not is irrelevant. They are a
    business and under DEI mandates their hiring practices are
    discriminatory.

    Duck and dodge as he wants.. he can't explain why race should be
    of any consideration in hiring as DEI mandates it should.


    Is the population large enough to make statistical inferences?

    Well, let's look at the law..

    United States of America DEI reporting requirements
    Who must disclose diversity information?
    Under the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission employers who have at least 100 employees and federal contractors who have at least 50 employees
    are required to complete and submit an EEO-1 Report (a government form that requests information about employees' job categories, ethnicity, race, and gender) to EEOC and the U.S. Department of Labor every year.

    https://diversio.com/north-american-dei-reporting-requirements/

    Now, are there 100 or more NFL players? Yes! Yes, there are.

    So.. do we fire the black players and require the NFL to replace them with a more 'appropriate' racial cross section?

    Maybe we could simply require them to be unable to hire any black players
    until the appropriate racial cross section is obtained...

    Which form of racial discrimination do you propose to resolve this issue?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Mon May 19 11:56:18 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100fot6$1nohi$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:59, Scout wrote:
    No, I'd feed him.

    That's what America should do.

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    ...or did you not mean what you just said?


    How long do you keep your job when your company has no one to sell to?

    And just like that Siri tries to change the subject.

    Apparently what America should do and what Siri should do have nothing in common.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 17:54:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:100fbtk$1l1c7$12@dont-email.me:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:gg7c2k5i0e817ps6lq3nt967ntftmon5o6@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 09:02:26 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/14/25 14:03, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    On 5/14/25 09:18, Scout wrote:
    <snip>
    Do they hire the best candidate, or do they allow sex/race to
    influence their hiring in order to obtain artificial levels
    decided to represent 'fairness' in hiring even if that means
    discriminating against better qualified candidates.

    One approach that I saw used back in the 1990s was similar to
    the baseball rule of "tie goes to the runner".

    We're not talking a tie, we are talking a better applicant.

    Nope. No matter how much you want it to, their gender or the color >>>>>of their skin doesn't count in the evaluation.

    Scout doesn't understand that if you were not a white male, you
    wouldn't even be considered for the job

    At which point existing laws against racial and sexual discrimination >>>would
    apply.

    . And in the event you did get
    a job, it was a job white men didn't want or at a pay rate they
    weren't willing to accept.

    See the comment above about racial and sexual discrimination laws.

    Now that everybody regardless of color, gender, etc., must be
    fairly evaluated and paid,

    BECAUSE of DEI (and other) mandates . . .

    Actually DEI engages, promotes and even advocates for racial and
    sexual discrimination.


    Likw when Trump says he will only
    oonsider women nominees for a post.

    Where was the "DEI" protests over
    that?

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 10:57:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 19/5/25 5:32, Scout wrote:
    Whether it is or isn't does not change the fact they are
    companies engaged in racially and sexual discrimination under the
    DEI mandates.


    Can you prove discrimination?

    --
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 11:15:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 19/5/25 5:48, Scout wrote:

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    You are the one pushing someone's race and gender into it...
    you are the one showing themselves to be the bigot....

    After all, for YOU clearly a person's race and/or gender is a
    matter of concern to you.


    Darn. Here we go again on this law nonsense.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 19 12:53:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:

    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who arrived >>>>>> was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis of race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Mon May 19 13:25:16 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100fsfh$1ognd$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:48, Scout wrote:

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    You are the one pushing someone's race and gender into it...
    you are the one showing themselves to be the bigot....

    After all, for YOU clearly a person's race and/or gender is a
    matter of concern to you.


    Darn. Here we go again on this law nonsense.

    Where did I even mention the law?

    Poor Siri, such limited capacity that she's having trouble keeping up. Literally the one track mine.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Mon May 19 13:21:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100fre4$1o8hf$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:32, Scout wrote:
    Whether it is or isn't does not change the fact they are
    companies engaged in racially and sexual discrimination under the
    DEI mandates.


    Can you prove discrimination?

    Under the notion of DEI, I certainly can. The racial profile of those hired
    are no where close to the racial profile of the nation.

    Interesting when the racial profile is switched on you, suddenly you are the one trying to make excuses for why a lot more of one race over another is acceptable.

    Which of course is why DEI is being ripped out. It can mandate racial or
    gender discrimination.... the very opposite of what it claims to be the cure for.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Mon May 19 20:25:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-19, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 19/5/25 5:59, Scout wrote:
    No, I'd feed him.

    That's what America should do.

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    ...or did you not mean what you just said?


    How long do you keep your job when your company has no one to
    sell to?

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very heavily biased towards
    outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    And they are rioting in the streets due to not being paid.

    As for America, we need safety nets for those who are legitimately in trouble HOWEVER
    we should not be supporting illegal aliens .
    And we certainly should not be supporting those milking the system and there are
    plenty of them.
    They CAN work, they choose not to work or work off the books to supplement their income.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 20:32:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-19, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100fp1j$1nohi$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:36, Scout wrote:
    Yep.. whether they are a sport or not is irrelevant. They are a
    business and under DEI mandates their hiring practices are
    discriminatory.

    Duck and dodge as he wants.. he can't explain why race should be
    of any consideration in hiring as DEI mandates it should.


    Is the population large enough to make statistical inferences?

    Well, let's look at the law..

    United States of America DEI reporting requirements
    Who must disclose diversity information?
    Under the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission employers who have at least 100 employees and federal contractors who have at least 50 employees are required to complete and submit an EEO-1 Report (a government form that requests information about employees' job categories, ethnicity, race, and gender) to EEOC and the U.S. Department of Labor every year.

    https://diversio.com/north-american-dei-reporting-requirements/

    Now, are there 100 or more NFL players? Yes! Yes, there are.

    So.. do we fire the black players and require the NFL to replace them with a more 'appropriate' racial cross section?

    Maybe we could simply require them to be unable to hire any black players until the appropriate racial cross section is obtained...

    Which form of racial discrimination do you propose to resolve this issue?

    I would NEVER want to be a DEI hire or assumed to be a DEI hire.
    The lefties are claiming Trump said he was going to hire females.
    I disagree with his stating that publically as much as I disagree with Biden claiming he was going to appoint a black femal SCOTUS judge.

    All that does is taint the appointees whether they are qualified or not.
    They will forever be the DEI hire.
    To me, this is not fair.

    As for Trump he has plenty of females and at least one gay person that he appointed.
    So much for Trump's misogyny.
    The MSM dropped that one real fast.

    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for the job.
    Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.

    screw this racist DEI BS.



    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon May 19 21:25:24 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100fele$1l6r2$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-19, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every >>>>>>>>>>>illegal migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check >>>>>>>>>>>and what to say in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial governments have destroyed their own economies so >>>>>>>>>> the people are doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you >>>>>>>>>have to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you >>>>>>>>>have issues with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every >>>>>>>>>refugee in the world, much less once you enter another country >>>>>>>>>in which those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of
    thought and contributions of immigrants from many different
    lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>>undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    Further immigration was clearly being controlled.. that the steamship
    lines were engaged in most of that doesn't alter the fact that it was
    occurring.


    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and
    known criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.



    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different
    name, perhaps even bribed the ship purser? You don't think those
    originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad
    actors?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 19 21:34:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100fele$1l6r2$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-19, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every >>>>>>>>>>>>illegal migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check >>>>>>>>>>>>and what to say in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial governments have destroyed their own economies so >>>>>>>>>>> the people are doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you >>>>>>>>>>have to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you >>>>>>>>>>have issues with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every >>>>>>>>>>refugee in the world, much less once you enter another country >>>>>>>>>>in which those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of
    thought and contributions of immigrants from many different
    lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>>>undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    Further immigration was clearly being controlled.. that the steamship
    lines were engaged in most of that doesn't alter the fact that it was
    occurring.


    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and
    known criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.



    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different
    name, perhaps even bribed the ship purser? You don't think those originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad
    actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time. Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let into the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon May 19 21:41:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-19, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100fele$1l6r2$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-19, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every >>>>>>>>>>>>>illegal migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check >>>>>>>>>>>>>and what to say in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial governments have destroyed their own economies so >>>>>>>>>>>> the people are doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you >>>>>>>>>>>have to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you >>>>>>>>>>>have issues with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every >>>>>>>>>>>refugee in the world, much less once you enter another country >>>>>>>>>>>in which those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's >>>>>>>>>> greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of
    thought and contributions of immigrants from many different >>>>>>>>>> lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>>>>undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    Further immigration was clearly being controlled.. that the steamship
    lines were engaged in most of that doesn't alter the fact that it was
    occurring.


    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and
    known criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.



    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different
    name, perhaps even bribed the ship purser? You don't think those
    originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad
    actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time. Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let into the US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Typo 10-20 million...


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 16:36:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 19/5/25 8:56, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100fot6$1nohi$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:59, Scout wrote:
    No, I'd feed him.

    That's what America should do.

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    ...or did you not mean what you just said?


    How long do you keep your job when your company has no one to
    sell to?

    And just like that Siri tries to change the subject.

    Apparently what America should do and what Siri should do have
    nothing in common.

    You are too stupid to understand why things like food stamps and
    social security were creted.


    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 16:39:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 19/5/25 8:47, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100fp1j$1nohi$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:36, Scout wrote:
    Yep.. whether they are a sport or not is irrelevant. They are a
    business and under DEI mandates their hiring practices are
    discriminatory.

    Duck and dodge as he wants.. he can't explain why race should be
    of any consideration in hiring as DEI mandates it should.


    Is the population large enough to make statistical inferences?

    Well, let's look at the law..

    United States of America DEI reporting requirements
    Who must disclose diversity information?
    Under the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission employers
    who have at least 100 employees and federal contractors who have
    at least 50 employees are required to complete and submit an
    EEO-1 Report (a government form that requests information about
    employees' job categories, ethnicity, race, and gender) to EEOC
    and the U.S. Department of Labor every year.

    https://diversio.com/north-american-dei-reporting-requirements/

    Now, are there 100 or more NFL players? Yes! Yes, there are.

    On a team? Each team is a its own business.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon May 19 17:28:35 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 19/5/25 13:32, pothead wrote:
    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for the job.
    Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.


    And for the 1000 and first time, do you anything if
    discrimination is proven?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 17:24:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 19/5/25 10:21, Scout wrote:

    Can you prove discrimination?

    Under the notion of DEI, I certainly can. The racial profile of
    those hired are no where close to the racial profile of the nation.

    As you cited, the laws do not kick in until a business has a
    hundred worker ants. At that point you can do statistical tests
    whether different subpopulations are part of the same population.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From stu winthrop@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 20 02:19:08 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 19 May 2025, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> posted some news:100gibj$1smsn$3@dont-email.me:

    On 19/5/25 13:32, pothead wrote:
    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for the
    job. Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.


    And for the 1000 and first time, do you anything if
    discrimination is proven?

    Have you ever considered that its impossible to avoid discrimination in
    the eyes of some people? Especially low iq gays, blacks, and Puerto
    Ricans? Everything is discrimination to them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Tue May 20 02:52:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:

    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis of
    race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act


    That wasn't Ellis Island, and it was a different time period.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Mon May 19 23:45:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 19/5/25 10:21, Scout wrote:
    Can you prove discrimination?

    Under the notion of DEI, I certainly can. The racial profile of
    those hired are no where close to the racial profile of the nation.

    Which not the employer's goal. The employer is expected to choose
    fairly amongst the pool of qualified applicants.

    Interesting when the racial profile is switched on you, suddenly
    you are the one trying to make excuses for why a lot more of one
    race over another is acceptable.

    You are an idiot using your stupidity to excuse your racism.

    Which of course is why DEI is being ripped out. It can mandate

    Because it is successful.

    racial or gender discrimination.... the very opposite of what it
    claims to be the cure for.

    You voted for idjt because he is expected to twist the system to
    enable your desired apartheid.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 20 07:37:16 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis of
    race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 20 07:53:09 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:100gfg1$1s759$2@dont-email.me, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> typed:

    On 19/5/25 8:47, Scout wrote:
    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100fp1j$1nohi$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:36, Scout wrote:

    Yep.. whether they are a sport or not is irrelevant. They are a
    business and under DEI mandates their hiring practices are
    discriminatory.

    Duck and dodge as he wants.. he can't explain why race should be
    of any consideration in hiring as DEI mandates it should.

    Is the population large enough to make statistical inferences?

    Well, let's look at the law..

    United States of America DEI reporting requirements
    Who must disclose diversity information?
    Under the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission employers
    who have at least 100 employees and federal contractors who have
    at least 50 employees are required to complete and submit an
    EEO-1 Report (a government form that requests information about
    employees' job categories, ethnicity, race, and gender) to EEOC
    and the U.S. Department of Labor every year.

    https://diversio.com/north-american-dei-reporting-requirements/

    Now, are there 100 or more NFL players? Yes! Yes, there are.

    On a team? Each team is a its own business.

    Each team is a franchise of the whole. Each team employs players, coaches, trainers, office staff, and more.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 20 07:28:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me...
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:

    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis of
    race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act


    That wasn't Ellis Island, and it was a different time period.

    Was it "after the Civil War"?

    That was the condition you set.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 20 07:34:35 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100h8e5$24a6b$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 10:21, Scout wrote:
    Can you prove discrimination?

    Under the notion of DEI, I certainly can. The racial profile of
    those hired are no where close to the racial profile of the nation.

    Which not the employer's goal.

    And if it was... how would you tell the difference if you're setting
    standards for the racial profile that has to be hired?

    The employer is expected to choose fairly amongst the pool of qualified applicants.

    So scrap DEI then?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 20 07:33:18 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100gi35$1smsn$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 10:21, Scout wrote:

    Can you prove discrimination?

    Under the notion of DEI, I certainly can. The racial profile of
    those hired are no where close to the racial profile of the nation.

    As you cited, the laws do not kick in until a business has a hundred
    worker ants. At that point you can do statistical tests whether different subpopulations are part of the same population.

    Exactly and the NFL needs to fire a bunch of their players and hire Whites, Asians, etc to replace them because the statistical tests show the NFL
    lineup to be radically racially discriminatory base on the number of Black players hired.

    Oh, and there well over 1,000 players

    So..... do we force the NFL to hire based on race?

    If not them, then who, and why should they be held to a different standard?

    ... or should we scrape the racially and sexually discriminatory DEI and require evidence people were passed over because of their race or gender?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 20 07:27:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100g7k4$1ql3c$4@dont-email.me...
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100fele$1l6r2$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-19, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:100827k$3tiu7$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:XnsB2E188FD6B915629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>news:ea2c2kdc3pk2ca1t3pc5cpis5d1s58c3io@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 14:00:59 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>news:efk92kdhks43rneq2k3dqm6n6c3fihulm4@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 14 May 2025 15:09:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    The asylum card has been overplayed and literally every >>>>>>>>>>>>illegal migrant has been coached as to what boxes to check >>>>>>>>>>>>and what to say in order to be let into the country.

    They are both political and economic refugees. Their
    dictotorial governments have destroyed their own economies so >>>>>>>>>>> the people are doing what people have done since Columbus.

    That's nice, but being a refugee does NOT necessarily mean you >>>>>>>>>>have to be taken in by the US. I know what is a concept you >>>>>>>>>>have issues with, but we do NOT have to gramt access to every >>>>>>>>>>refugee in the world, much less once you enter another country >>>>>>>>>>in which those conditions no longer apply.

    The thing that amazes me, it really does, is that America's
    greatness and power comes directly from the diversity of
    thought and contributions of immigrants from many different
    lands.

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>>>undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    Everyone ... or most everyone?

    Further immigration was clearly being controlled.. that the steamship
    lines were engaged in most of that doesn't alter the fact that it was
    occurring.


    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and
    known criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.



    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different
    name, perhaps even bribed the ship purser? You don't think those originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad
    actors?

    Who cares? The fact they were denied entry destroys your assertion that
    entry into the US was "unlimited". Clearly it was limited.

    Indeed, I bet Indians today wish their ancestors had limited immigration
    into their lands

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 20 07:36:16 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100gfg1$1s759$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 8:47, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100fp1j$1nohi$2@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:36, Scout wrote:
    Yep.. whether they are a sport or not is irrelevant. They are a
    business and under DEI mandates their hiring practices are
    discriminatory.

    Duck and dodge as he wants.. he can't explain why race should be
    of any consideration in hiring as DEI mandates it should.


    Is the population large enough to make statistical inferences?

    Well, let's look at the law..

    United States of America DEI reporting requirements
    Who must disclose diversity information?
    Under the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission employers
    who have at least 100 employees and federal contractors who have
    at least 50 employees are required to complete and submit an
    EEO-1 Report (a government form that requests information about
    employees' job categories, ethnicity, race, and gender) to EEOC
    and the U.S. Department of Labor every year.

    https://diversio.com/north-american-dei-reporting-requirements/

    Now, are there 100 or more NFL players? Yes! Yes, there are.

    On a team? Each team is a its own business.

    Yes, and they are franchises within the corporate umbrella of the NFL
    company.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 20 07:37:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100gibj$1smsn$3@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 13:32, pothead wrote:
    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for the job.
    Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.


    And for the 1000 and first time, do you anything if discrimination is
    proven?

    Yes, the racial profile doesn't closely match the population profile as DEI requires.

    You asked me to show you.. now you are refusing to even look at the evidence you asked be presented.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 20 07:50:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100gfad$1s759$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 8:56, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100fot6$1nohi$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:59, Scout wrote:
    No, I'd feed him.

    That's what America should do.

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    ...or did you not mean what you just said?


    How long do you keep your job when your company has no one to
    sell to?

    And just like that Siri tries to change the subject.

    Apparently what America should do and what Siri should do have
    nothing in common.

    You are too stupid to understand why things like food stamps and social security were creted.

    I understand what they were created to do... and I also understand what they have become...

    The safety net has become a hammock.

    Indeed if you dig into how they work these days, you will see how the
    current laws actually seem designed to trap those in the system into a cycle
    of poverty and dependency.

    Are you aware that we are now on our 3rd generation (and possibly 4th) that will are on and fully expect to spend their entire lives on welfare?

    At what point do we realize that what was intended at a temporary support
    aid to allow people to get back on their feet and evolved into a bed in
    which they expect to spend their entire lives?

    If the system isn't designed to get people off of it by requiring them to
    again become self sufficient then what is it's purpose and long long do we continue bleeding the workers to support the lazy?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Tue May 20 11:49:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:100i5hr$29pvq$3@dont-email.me...
    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There >>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis of
    race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    .....and was later extended in 1892 and then made permanent in 1902 to be replaced by the 1924 Immigration act which was upheld in the 1952
    immigration act. so limits existed until well after Ellis Island was no
    longer a port of entry and such restrictions continue to apply to current
    day. To head off Rudy's next couple of lame excuses.

    Ellis Island was used for immigration from 1892 thru 1954... So limits
    existed for ALL the time Ellis Island as a port of entry. At no point in
    time does Rudy's claim hold water.

    Which is usually the case when Rudy makes a claim.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 20 10:11:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 20/5/25 4:37, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100gibj$1smsn$3@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 13:32, pothead wrote:
    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for
    the job.
    Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.


    And for the 1000 and first time, do you anything if
    discrimination is proven?

    Yes, the racial profile doesn't closely match the population
    profile as DEI requires.

    You asked me to show you.. now you are refusing to even look at
    the evidence you asked be presented.



    Nothing. Your bigotry goes unpunished.

    https://www.projectrho.com/tong/tongCGI01.html

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 20 13:19:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in message news:dt9p2kd71s6hk2j8bivk66nkrc1r4s9gjf@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com...
    [Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message >>news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me...
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:

    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who >>>>>>>>>> arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There >>>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis of >>>>> race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act


    That wasn't Ellis Island, and it was a different time period.

    Was it "after the Civil War"?

    That was the condition you set.



    Baxter was so traumatized when we took his slaves away that he can't
    remember when that was.

    Further it should be noted for Baxter's edification that Ellis Island became
    a port of entry in 1892..
    the Civil war ended in 1865..
    or over 25 years AFTER the end of the Civil War.

    Further I wasn't aware that US law only applied to specific ports of
    entry... apparently Baxter feels the law only applies here or there.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Tue May 20 20:30:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100i5hr$29pvq$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who
    arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.
    There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis
    of race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion
    Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    Ellis Island was 20 years later and on the opposite coast.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From ralph@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 20 16:05:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in
    racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 20 17:35:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:100ioom$2dhki$4@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100i5hr$29pvq$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who >>>>>>>>>> arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.
    There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis
    of race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion
    Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    Ellis Island was 20 years later and on the opposite coast.

    WTF, "opposite coast"?!? Do you mean Europe? The Chinese Exclusion Act applied to the whole country!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to pothead on Tue May 20 20:26:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-19 14:34, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100fele$1l6r2$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-19, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let into the US under Biden and most barely checked at all.
    Not even close to a fact.

    The total number of illegals in the US doesn't even come close to the
    low (typo'ed) figure.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 01:05:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:qbqq2k5rc3r73kpqm5torjgcob7ko3r7bb@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:25:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very heavily biased >>towards outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    Do you have a cite on this? China has a rapidly growing car market.
    They're the number one consumer of electric vehicles.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-alone-trade-war-trump-tariffs

    And they are rioting in the streets due to not being paid.

    I haven't heard anything about that.

    I'm not surprised.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/06/world-news/protests-erupt-in-china-as-trumps-steep-tariffs-bite-extremely-anxious/

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Tue May 20 14:48:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:100a7ga$eft2$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want to >>>drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your own
    petard!

    Did I break Swill? He suddenly doesn't want to talk anymore.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 20 14:47:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100id3v$2ba12$1@dont-email.me...
    On 20/5/25 4:37, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100gibj$1smsn$3@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 13:32, pothead wrote:
    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for
    the job.
    Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.


    And for the 1000 and first time, do you anything if
    discrimination is proven?

    Yes, the racial profile doesn't closely match the population
    profile as DEI requires.

    You asked me to show you.. now you are refusing to even look at
    the evidence you asked be presented.



    Nothing. Your bigotry goes unpunished.

    Says the person engaged in her own bigotry. I mean you DO know what it means right?

    However, if you want to say that calling for the best person to be hired is bigotry.. then everyone who hires on merit is a bigot according to you.


    Please note: The only reason I'm seen as a bigot is I challenge their views
    and ask questions they either can't answer, refuse to answer and/or pins
    them down to their beliefs.

    In short, any rational debate makes you a bigot for challenging their
    notions.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 08:28:17 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:vuhq2klok0hqsn9uflkpfr63472gbspc90@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 07:27:31 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    Indeed, I bet Indians today wish their ancestors had limited immigration >>into their lands

    It's not as if they didn't try.

    Too little too late...

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 08:29:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:qnhq2kt69rongerg4hbhu6ac61rha71q51@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:19:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and known >>criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.

    "The best they could do?"

    You act as if they would have controlled immigration if they could.

    They did control immigration....

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 08:30:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hqhq2k1q6sdqkkqjp62ekff4t5usrd3q6a@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:34:15 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different
    name, perhaps even bribed the ship purser? You don't think those
    originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad
    actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time. >>Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let into >>the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Considering the current unemployment rate, it would appear the country
    has been able to absorb and develop this source of cheap labor.

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate wages....

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 08:34:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.



    You can't "weed out" the sick and infirm crossing the fence. Thirst, exposure and accidents do that.

    Either way, consider them weeded.

    I will consider them weeded when those who entered illegally have all been removed.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Wed May 21 08:32:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100ioom$2dhki$4@dont-email.me...
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100i5hr$29pvq$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
    news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported
    undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who >>>>>>>>>> arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.
    There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis
    of race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion
    Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    Ellis Island was 20 years later and on the opposite coast.

    And federal law applies throughout the United States.....

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 08:45:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:qbqq2k5rc3r73kpqm5torjgcob7ko3r7bb@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:25:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very heavily >>biased towards
    outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    Do you have a cite on this? China has a rapidly growing car market.
    They're the number one consumer of electric vehicles.

    "Exports of goods and services (% of GDP) in China was reported at 19.74 %
    in 2023, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources."

    "In 2023, US exports of goods and services were approximately 11% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product (GDP)."

    So yes, China's economy is much more heavily weighted towards export.

    Further when we dig deeper we find that China imports are about 13.6% of
    it's GDP. While in US is 13.9%

    In short.. money is flowing INTO China's economy and flowing OUT of our economy. In the case of the US that is currently $918 Billion Dollars per
    year leaving our economy. $918 Billion dollars of goods, services, and jobs leaving our economy....

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 08:46:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in reality >>government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to the general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that pissing off
    the liberals to no end.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 08:36:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7fkq2kd2s4nqltjtn15ej2d0716sg4v7or@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:59:49 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    Nope. Doesn't work like that.

    "No, I'd feed him. That's what America should do."

    So lied when you said you would feed him, and instead admit you would refuse
    to feed them. Instead you would force others to do what you refuse to do yourself.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to ralph on Wed May 21 14:52:42 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:

    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players
    would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in
    racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?


    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 09:07:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:100kpbp$2sjak$5@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:
    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would >>>>>> need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>>>> racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?

    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

    That's what "professional sports" means, Einstein.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 21 11:58:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/21/25 08:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hqhq2k1q6sdqkkqjp62ekff4t5usrd3q6a@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:34:15 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different >>>> name, perhaps even bribed  the ship purser?  You don't think those
    originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad
    actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time.
    Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let
    into the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Considering the current unemployment rate, it would appear the country
    has been able to absorb and develop this source of cheap labor.

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate wages....

    Lack of the jobs they want ... and at the wage level they want...
    Still doesn't change the fact that the official unemployment rate U3,
    currently at 4.2%, has been at or below the "Full Employment" definition
    for nine years except for eighteen months of the CoVid shock.

    Indeed, even the rate for those with less than a high school diploma is trending under 6%, which is roughly 20% lower than its twenty year average:

    <https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/unemployment-rates-for-persons-25-years-and-older-by-educational-attainment.htm>

    -hh

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 21 16:22:42 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-21, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:qnhq2kt69rongerg4hbhu6ac61rha71q51@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:19:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and known >>>criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.

    "The best they could do?"

    You act as if they would have controlled immigration if they could.

    They did control immigration....

    Exactly.
    Up until the Biden administration 'open borders policy' immigration
    has been controlled at least to some degree.

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.
    Enter illegally and you get a one way trip back to wherever you came from.
    It's that simple.
    A country without borders has lost it's sovereignty.

    And yes, the system is broken and needs to be revamped.
    It will save money, and lives, in the long term.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From Ombudsman@21:1/5 to max headroom on Wed May 21 11:13:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/21/2025 1:05 AM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:qbqq2k5rc3r73kpqm5torjgcob7ko3r7bb@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:25:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very heavily biased
    towards outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    Do you have a cite on this? China has a rapidly growing car market.
    They're the number one consumer of electric vehicles.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-alone-trade-war-trump-tariffs

    And they are rioting in the streets due to not being paid.

    I haven't heard anything about that.

    I'm not surprised.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/06/world-news/protests-erupt-in-china-as-trumps-steep-tariffs-bite-extremely-anxious/

    Democrats will claim Trump is being mean to Chinese workers, starving
    their children, taking food from their mouths, etc.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 18:31:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:ph3s2k1jjur7va3966n5dn1rioubih278v@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:

    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players
    would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged
    in
    racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional
    sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?


    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

    Baxter says if it's for profit and entertainment it's OK to
    discriminate


    KKKlaun loves to twist things. Like the rest of the Entertainment
    industry, Pro "sports" has to choose from the pool of available talent.
    DEI doesn't enter into it.

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  • From Ombudsman@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Wed May 21 11:43:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/21/2025 9:59 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 5:29 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:qnhq2kt69rongerg4hbhu6ac61rha71q51@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:19:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and
    known
    criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.

    "The best they could do?"

    You act as if they would have controlled immigration if they could.

    They did control immigration....
    They did not,
    Yes they did.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ombudsman@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Wed May 21 11:44:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/21/2025 10:05 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 5:30 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hqhq2k1q6sdqkkqjp62ekff4t5usrd3q6a@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:34:15 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different >>>>> name, perhaps even bribed  the ship purser?  You don't think those >>>>> originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad >>>>> actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time.
    Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let
    into the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Considering the current unemployment rate, it would appear the country
    has been able to absorb and develop this source of cheap labor.

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and
    inadequate wages....

    Fuck sheep

    Do sheep really pay for that?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ombudsman@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Wed May 21 11:45:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/21/2025 10:06 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/21/2025 5:32 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
    news:100ioom$2dhki$4@dont-email.me...
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100i5hr$29pvq$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>>>>>>>> undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who >>>>>>>>>>>> arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>> There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis >>>>>>> of race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion
    Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    Ellis Island was 20 years later and on the opposite coast.

    And federal law applies throughout the United States.....
    Asians
    aren't entering legally now. They are being smuggled in via Mexico.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Ombudsman on Wed May 21 18:49:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Ombudsman <jgoldberg@theatlantic.com> wrote in news:100l54t$esg$3@toxic.dizum.net:

    On 5/21/2025 1:05 AM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:qbqq2k5rc3r73kpqm5torjgcob7ko3r7bb@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:25:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very
    heavily biased towards outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    Do you have a cite on this? China has a rapidly growing car market.
    They're the number one consumer of electric vehicles.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-alone-trade-war
    -trump-tariffs

    And they are rioting in the streets due to not being paid.

    I haven't heard anything about that.

    I'm not surprised.

    https://nypost.com/2025/05/06/world-news/protests-erupt-in-china-as-tr
    umps-steep-tariffs-bite-extremely-anxious/

    Democrats will claim Trump is being mean to Chinese workers, starving
    their children, taking food from their mouths, etc.



    So Chinese workers are Democrats now?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 12:40:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:100l65g$2vm86$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:ph3s2k1jjur7va3966n5dn1rioubih278v@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:
    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players would >>>>>>>> need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>>>>>> racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?

    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

    Baxter says if it's for profit and entertainment it's OK to
    discriminate

    KKKlaun loves to twist things. Like the rest of the Entertainment
    industry, Pro "sports" has to choose from the pool of available talent.
    DEI doesn't enter into it.

    It does to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 21 19:25:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-21, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hqhq2k1q6sdqkkqjp62ekff4t5usrd3q6a@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:34:15 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different >>>> name, perhaps even bribed the ship purser? You don't think those
    originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad
    actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time. >>>Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let into >>>the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Considering the current unemployment rate, it would appear the country
    has been able to absorb and develop this source of cheap labor.

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate wages....

    <https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/05/true-cost-cheap-labor-illegal-immigration-minimum-wage/>

    <https://www.heritage.org/border-security/commentary/shocking-cost-the-illegal-immigration-crisis-americans>

    <https://budget.house.gov/press-release/the-cost-of-the-border-crisis-1507-billion-and-counting>

    <https://nypost.com/2024/08/29/us-news/the-150-billion-problem-cost-of-migrant-crisis-to-us-taxpayers-could-be-billions-higher-than-reported-expenses-in-many-states/>

    <https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-cost-of-illegal-immigration>





    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From andy@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 20:12:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 21 May 2025, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> posted some news:100kt83$2fadq$1@dont-email.me:

    On 5/21/25 08:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hqhq2k1q6sdqkkqjp62ekff4t5usrd3q6a@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:34:15 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a
    different name, perhaps even bribed  the ship purser?  You don't
    think those originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of
    criminals and bad actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time.
    Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let
    into the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Considering the current unemployment rate, it would appear the
    country has been able to absorb and develop this source of cheap
    labor.

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and
    inadequate wages....

    Lack of the jobs they want ... and at the wage level they want...
    Still doesn't change the fact that the official unemployment rate U3, currently at 4.2%, has been at or below the "Full Employment"
    definition for nine years except for eighteen months of the CoVid
    shock.

    Indeed, even the rate for those with less than a high school diploma
    is trending under 6%, which is roughly 20% lower than its twenty year average:

    <https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/unemployment-rates-for- >persons-25-years-and-older-by-educational-attainment.htm>

    "U-3 is the most commonly reported unemployment rate and is calculated by dividing the number of unemployed individuals (those who are not working,
    have actively sought work in the past four weeks."

    "four weeks"

    The working percentage of the available US working force is a few hairs
    short of 61%. That means roughly 40% of US workers are unemployed. The
    U3 stat, the stat most commonly cited by Democrat politicians and left-
    wing media dildos, is essentially bogus and completely misrepresentative
    when cited without object criteria.

    U-1 People unemployed 15 weeks or longer, as a percent of the civilian
    labor force
    U-2 Job losers and people who completed temporary jobs, as a percent of
    the civilian labor force
    U-3 Total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (official unemployment rate)
    U-4 Total unemployed plus discouraged workers, as a percent of the
    civilian labor force plus discouraged workers
    U-5 Total unemployed, plus discouraged workers, plus all other people marginally attached to the labor force, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all people marginally attached to the labor force
    U-6 Total unemployed, plus all people marginally attached to the labor
    force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of
    the civilian labor force plus all people marginally attached to the labor
    force

    NOTE: People marginally attached to the labor force are those who
    currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they
    want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the
    past 12 months. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached,
    have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for work. People employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time
    schedule. Updated population controls are introduced annually with the
    release of January data.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From andy@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 21 20:14:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 21 May 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:100kpbp$2sjak$5@dont-email.me:

    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in
    news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:

    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players
    would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged
    in racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional
    sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?


    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

    Ya'll get paid to pee on people in Oregon???

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 21 20:53:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/21/25 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight. It can take literally years
    to get permission to emigrate to the US.

    "years"? Try decades.

    IIRC, legal immigration for the Philippines has a 70+ year long waitlist.

    Since Trump is opening the doors to white Afrikaners, the MAGA claim of
    "No more! WE'RE FULL!" is clearly seen as the racist lie that it is.


    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to andy on Wed May 21 20:49:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/21/25 16:12, andy wrote:
    On 21 May 2025, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> posted some news:100kt83$2fadq$1@dont-email.me:

    On 5/21/25 08:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hqhq2k1q6sdqkkqjp62ekff4t5usrd3q6a@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:34:15 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a
    different name, perhaps even bribed  the ship purser?  You don't >>>>>> think those originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of
    criminals and bad actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time.
    Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let
    into the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Considering the current unemployment rate, it would appear the
    country has been able to absorb and develop this source of cheap
    labor.

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and
    inadequate wages....

    Lack of the jobs they want ... and at the wage level they want...
    Still doesn't change the fact that the official unemployment rate U3,
    currently at 4.2%, has been at or below the "Full Employment"
    definition for nine years except for eighteen months of the CoVid
    shock.

    Indeed, even the rate for those with less than a high school diploma
    is trending under 6%, which is roughly 20% lower than its twenty year
    average:

    <https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/unemployment-rates-for-
    persons-25-years-and-older-by-educational-attainment.htm>

    "U-3 is the most commonly reported unemployment rate and is calculated by dividing the number of unemployed individuals (those who are not working, have actively sought work in the past four weeks."

    "four weeks"

    The working percentage of the available US working force is a few hairs
    short of 61%. That means roughly 40% of US workers are unemployed.

    Actually, 62.6% as of April 2025, but that's a minor quibble: of the
    ~131M in the working age population, this means ~82M working, and 49M
    not working fulltime.

    Because you now need to break down that 49M to see who's not working
    full time and understand why.

    For example, some will not be working for work because they're a
    homemaker who takes care of the kids. There's ~80M million family
    households and 2021 data found that 23% of parents stayed home to care
    for the home or family. 23% of 80M = 18M, so that's 37% accounted for,
    so just 31M left unaccounted.

    There's also 2M incarcerated adults who can't work: 31M - 2M = 29M.

    There's those working part time: 28M. This almost completely accounts
    for the remaining balance and is a complex group because it can include
    the known U3 unemployed (7M), plus those who have stopped looking for
    full time employment (including those who have lost hope as well as
    those who specifically don't want full time (~6M) and just these two
    categories are likely roughly half of part time workers...its why
    there's published metrics other than only the U3 unemployment.

    The
    U3 stat, the stat most commonly cited by Democrat politicians and left-
    wing media dildos, is essentially bogus and completely misrepresentative
    when cited without object criteria.

    No, what's bogus is when trolls try rolling out the "working percentage
    of US working force" without context, for they're trying to imply that
    40% of working age Americans are lazy bums who don't want to work: the
    fact is that there's just not that much slack in the labor force supply.



    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 03:09:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green
    cards.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 04:49:39 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Wed May 21 11:21:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100kpbp$2sjak$5@dont-email.me...
    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:

    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players
    would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged in >>>>>> racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?


    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

    Which would make them even MORE subject to DEI mandates then rather than
    less, because now performance isn't really an issue.....

    Are you sure this is the argument you want to make for why racial and sexual discrimination exists in player's employment?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 14:41:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote in news:jres2k17t92mb3iicd0k9cm4roemdu4a6r@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuckin g.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:


    Like the rest of the Entertainment
    industry, Pro "sports" has to choose from the pool of available talent.
    DEI doesn't enter into it.

    That's because they want to succeed,

    Where "success" = money, greed

    unlike leftists who think DEI
    will actually solve a problem.


    And the "problem" DEI addresses is humanity, fairness.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 09:19:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 09:17:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:iEnXP.24691$rdEd.2183@fx39.iad...
    On 5/21/2025 5:29 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:qnhq2kt69rongerg4hbhu6ac61rha71q51@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:19:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and
    known
    criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.

    "The best they could do?"

    You act as if they would have controlled immigration if they could.

    They did control immigration....
    They did not, scooter. Stop lying, you pointless Nazi fucktard.

    With irrefutable facts represented Rudy has no choice but lashing out like a spoiled child who wasn't give the lollypop he demanded.. or in Rudy's case a dick to suck on.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 22 09:20:18 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me...
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green cards.

    Yep, when they commit crime or lied about their involvement with criminal gangs, or otherwise were identified as having lied to gain entry.. they
    become immediately deportable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 09:23:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:dJnXP.16950$oFZb.4323@fx06.iad...
    On 5/21/2025 5:30 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hqhq2k1q6sdqkkqjp62ekff4t5usrd3q6a@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 21:34:15 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-19, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    You don't suppose some of those known criminals came under a different >>>>> name, perhaps even bribed the ship purser? You don't think those
    originating countries perfectly happy to get rid of criminals and bad >>>>> actors?

    Of course they did.
    That's why I said they did the best that they could do at the time.
    Duhhhhhh.....

    Still, it doesn't even come close to 100 to 20 million migrants let
    into the
    US under Biden and most barely checked at all.

    Not comparable.

    Considering the current unemployment rate, it would appear the country
    has been able to absorb and develop this source of cheap labor.

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate
    wages....

    Fuck off, scooter. Biden bequeathed the Orange Fat Fuck an unemployment
    rate barely over 4%.

    Ok.. What percentage of the population actually HAD a job.

    See unemployment doesn't count a lot of people without a job.

    After all, right off it does not count the 12.5% of the population on
    Welfare.. who don't hold jobs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 09:26:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today
    doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 09:34:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:yKnXP.16951$oFZb.1234@fx06.iad...
    On 5/21/2025 5:32 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
    news:100ioom$2dhki$4@dont-email.me...
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100i5hr$29pvq$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100g384$1pu0h$3@dont-email.me:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <klaus.schadenfreude.entf�rben.@gmail.com> typed:
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:1007c72$3p2r7$4@dont-email.me:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>>>>>>>> undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil War, >>>>>>>>>>>> millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who >>>>>>>>>>>> arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>> There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis >>>>>>> of race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion
    Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    Ellis Island was 20 years later and on the opposite coast.

    And federal law applies throughout the United States.....
    Asians weren't entering the U.S. at Ellis Island, scooter.

    Of course not, due to the Chinese Exclusion Act.. but that doesn't mean they didn't try.

    "The immigration station at New York’s Ellis Island opened in 1892 and remained the largest U.S. port for immigrant entry until World War I. In popular memory, Ellis Island is typically seen as a gateway for Europeans seeking to join the “great American melting pot.” But in this fresh examination of Ellis Island’s history, author Anna Pegler-Gordon reveals
    that it was also a MAJOR SITE OF IMMIGRATION DETENTION AND EXCLUSION, ESPECIALLY FOR CHINESE, JAPANESE AND OTHER ASIAN TRAVELERS AND MARITIME LABORERS who reached New York City from Europe, the Americas and the
    Caribbean, and even within the United States."

    https://www.archives.gov/calendar/event/closing-the-golden-door-asian-migration-and-the-hidden-history-of-exclusion-at-ellis-island

    {Emphasis added]

    Once again Rudy is proven to have NO clue of what he's talking about.. as usual.

    In general if Rudy says it.. you can bet it's wrong. The only question is to what extent.. but more rather than less is the smart money.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 09:36:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Which means they are willfully breaking the law and therefore should be
    weeded out. We do not need more criminals.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu May 22 09:37:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100lshe$2ve2q$2@dont-email.me...
    On 5/21/25 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There >>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight. It can take literally years
    to get permission to emigrate to the US.

    "years"? Try decades.

    IIRC, legal immigration for the Philippines has a 70+ year long waitlist.

    Since Trump is opening the doors to white Afrikaners, the MAGA claim of
    "No more! WE'RE FULL!" is clearly seen as the racist lie that it is.

    No, that would be true only if all immigration were shut down.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 09:38:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t7ds2ktmg1dgtfd93n8s5iq9dok6lqdlqk@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 14:47:03 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:100id3v$2ba12$1@dont-email.me...
    On 20/5/25 4:37, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100gibj$1smsn$3@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 13:32, pothead wrote:
    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for
    the job.
    Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.


    And for the 1000 and first time, do you anything if
    discrimination is proven?

    Yes, the racial profile doesn't closely match the population
    profile as DEI requires.

    You asked me to show you.. now you are refusing to even look at
    the evidence you asked be presented.



    Nothing. Your bigotry goes unpunished.

    Says the person engaged in her own bigotry. I mean you DO know what it >>means
    right?

    However, if you want to say that calling for the best person to be hired
    is
    bigotry.. then everyone who hires on merit is a bigot according to you.

    She said no such thing. You manufactured words for me to have said
    recently as well.

    I manufactured NOTHING.. and you still have yet to even address the point I made refuting your entire argument.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 22 09:40:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100l65g$2vm86$1@dont-email.me...
    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:ph3s2k1jjur7va3966n5dn1rioubih278v@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:

    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players >>>would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged
    in
    racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender
    discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist
    organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional
    sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?


    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

    Baxter says if it's for profit and entertainment it's OK to
    discriminate


    KKKlaun loves to twist things. Like the rest of the Entertainment
    industry, Pro "sports" has to choose from the pool of available talent.
    DEI doesn't enter into it.

    Wow.. they can select from the available talent.. but everyone else has to select based on racial profile...

    Yea, that TOTALLY makes sense.. if you're a brain dead liberal.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 10:19:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:oeds2khq0jhfpsns78hh4p8i40sorru77v@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 14:48:02 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message >>news:100a7ga$eft2$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want to >>>>>drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your own
    petard!

    Did I break Swill? He suddenly doesn't want to talk anymore.



    About what?

    And just like that, Swill claims to not know what we were talking about even though it's shown above.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 10:20:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rvcs2k1llu32b17jplk0ah87suksaecjci@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:36:57 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:7fkq2kd2s4nqltjtn15ej2d0716sg4v7or@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:59:49 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    Nope. Doesn't work like that.

    "No, I'd feed him. That's what America should do."

    So lied when you said you would feed him,

    Are your hormones out of whack or have you just gone blind? Look at
    my sentence above that you've quoted, "No, I'd feed him. That's what
    America should do." You've deleted everything else.

    I see.. so your principles are only for OTHER PEOPLE... they don't apply to you.

    Seems rather selfish...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 10:48:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:5hcs2kh6toqtator07u92ml4tmk1k0on5p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 01:05:27 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:qbqq2k5rc3r73kpqm5torjgcob7ko3r7bb@4ax.com, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:25:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very heavily >>>>biased
    towards outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    Do you have a cite on this? China has a rapidly growing car market.
    They're the number one consumer of electric vehicles.
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-alone-trade-war-trump-tariffs

    Your own cite just proved you wrong.

    "Equally important is the strength of China's domestic economy. The
    editorial notes that 85 percent of export-oriented firms also serve
    the domestic market, with internal sales accounting for 75 percent of
    their revenue-offering a built-in buffer against external
    disruptions."

    Did you catch that? 85% of export oriented firms have domestic sales
    of 75% of their revenue. Domestic oriented firms clearly have an even
    higher rate of domestic sales.

    Yea, and now you show us where we are the same or better....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 10:46:18 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7ucs2kt37lm3larediv63mgp8ikksga9d0@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:45:07 -0400, "Scout" wrote:


    In short.. money is flowing INTO China's economy and flowing OUT of our >>economy. In the case of the US that is currently $918 Billion Dollars per >>year leaving our economy. $918 Billion dollars of goods, services, and
    jobs
    leaving our economy....

    What difference does that make when *we* control the money supply?

    Yea, because hyperinflation really helps people out,.

    Gold per ounce

    1965 - $35.50
    1975 - $160.86
    1985 - $317.42
    1995 - $387.00
    2005 - $444.99
    2015 - $1298.00
    2025 - $3,302.97 (current)

    In which time a dollar has lost 99.98% of it's value.

    Minimum wage
    1965 - $1.25
    1975 - $2.10
    1985 - $3.35
    1995 - $4.25
    2005 - $5.15
    2015 - $7.25
    2025 - $16.50

    Meanwhile wages have not kept up with inflation...

    Add in the increase of taxation* from 18% of gross pay to 50-60% of gross pay...

    Hence the current issue of where people lack the means their parents had,
    and more so for their grandparents.

    * - Includes direct and indirect taxation


    See *WE* do not control the money supply. The politicians do, and we really don't even control them, and they are driving us into poverty, and the
    nation into bankruptcy.

    Indeed, I bet most people under 30 will remain in debt for their whole
    lives.

    This is simply not sustainable.

    And look at the Geometric Progression.. as the curve closes in on becoming vertical kicking the can down the road ceases to be possible and only those
    who own assets in excess of their debt will have any hope, ASSUMING they can realize that value as who would be buying at full price?

    So, yes, we need to consider our own economy and we need to do so now..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 10:50:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in reality >>>>government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to the
    general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that pissing off >>the liberals to no end.


    Ah! So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient that government.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Thu May 22 15:22:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4298af2a7ea9303198a158 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had
    green
    cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.


    They are deporting/disppearing immigrants that have committed no crime -
    not here, not anywhere.

    ===========
    MSNBC anchor Katy Tur spoke to NBC News national correspondent David
    Noriega this week about Widmer Josneyder Agelviz Sanguino, a Venezuelan
    refugee who entered the U.S. legally but has since been arrested,
    deported, and jailed in El Salvador.

    He entered the United States legally. He was thoroughly vetted by the governments refugee resettlement program, and hes got no criminal
    record to speak of. Yet, Widmer Agelvis is sitting in El Salvadors CECOT prison, Tur began, before asking Noriega for more details.

    https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/nbc-news-reports-trump-admin- effectively-disappeared-migrant-refugee-who-entered-the-u-s-legally/

    ============
    HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) -- Two Houston attorneys are fighting against the
    U.S. government to find out where a Venezuelan refugee was taken after disappearing from ICE custody in March.

    Now, a federal judge is demanding that the U.S. government, including ICE
    and Homeland Security, confirm the whereabouts of Widmer Agelviz-Sanguino
    and restore attorney-client communication.

    "Widmer and his family were referred to refugee resettlement in the
    United States through a UN program after being identified in Ecuador and
    were vetted and granted permission to come to the United States," Rivera
    said.

    Attorneys tell ABC13 that Sanguino, his two younger siblings, and his mom
    flew into Houston at George Bush Intercontinental Airport in September to
    start a new life.

    "After being invited, after being provided travel documents to come to
    the United States, he was arrested at the airport and told he was a gang
    member and we're going to deport you back to the place you fear most,"
    Rivera said.

    Rivera says border agents questioned Sanguino about his arm tattoo of a
    rose, owl, and clock.

    "They use tattoos as their end-all be-all for membership in this gang,"
    Rivera said.

    Sanguino's attorneys claim the tattoos all have special meanings to him.
    Rivera says the rose was a nod to Sanguino's grandmother, who loved her
    rose bush garden. They say the owl and clock represent the area he grew
    up in, which had owls that would always come in the middle of the night.

    Attorneys say Sanguino was immediately taken into ICE custody from the
    airport.

    https://abc13.com/post/us-government-ordered-grant-houston-attorneys- access-where-venezuelan-refugee-was-taken-disappearing-ice/16498932/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 22 17:56:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:100negt$3h5nl$25@dont-email.me:




    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that government.



    Then why is private enterprize
    always turning to government for a
    bailout and price supports?





    Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to
    make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage
    January 18, 2021

    The U.S.-China trade war caused deep damage
    to many American farmers and their livelihoods.

    And while President Trump directed the U.S.
    Department of Agriculture (USDA) to distribute
    billions of dollars in aid to farmers across
    the country, mostly through the Market
    Facilitation Program (MFP), that historic
    bailout did not make up for the significant
    drop in business that many farmers experienced.

    President Trump directed roughly $24.5 billion
    to American farmers through the MFP since 2018,
    with about $23 billion distributed as of early
    January 2021. USDA confirmed in a statement to
    Yahoo Finance that there would be no more
    payments during the Trump administration.
    https://tinyurl.com/29wynw35

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 17:46:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> wrote in news:KcIXP.160329$aIqa.159977@fx07.iad:

    On 5/22/2025 6:37 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100lshe$2ve2q$2@dont-email.me...
    On 5/21/25 16:02, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.  >>>>>>>> There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.  It can take literally
    years to get permission to emigrate to the US.

    "years"?  Try decades.

    IIRC, legal immigration for the Philippines has a 70+ year long
    waitlist.

    Since Trump is opening the doors to white Afrikaners, the MAGA claim
    of "No more! WE'RE FULL!" is clearly seen as the racist lie that it
    is.

    No, that would be true only if all immigration were shut down.
    No, scooter, you idiotic liar. The MAGA (fucknozzles) cry *is* "No
    more! WE'RE FULL!" The fucknozzles *want* all immigration to be shut
    down, scooter.




    To brown people, it is "America is already full"

    To asian people, it is "America is already full"

    To Syria refugees, it is "America is already full"

    To rich white people, it is "we have lots of room, come on in"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Michael A Terrell@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 11:33:36 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/2025 3:49 AM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green
    cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.
    So you're saying that rather than pardon the 1500 violent insurrectionists, Trump should have sent them to El Salvador instead.

    For once, you and I agree on something.

    --
    Another content-free post from Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 14:22:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In article <100nfeo$3gpv4$4@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4298af2a7ea9303198a158 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had
    green
    cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.


    They are deporting/disppearing immigrants that have committed no crime -
    not here, not anywhere.

    ===========
    MSNBC anchor Katy Tur spoke to NBC News national correspondent David
    Noriega this week about Widmer Josneyder Agelviz Sanguino, a Venezuelan refugee who entered the U.S. legally but has since been arrested,
    deported, and jailed in El Salvador.

    ?He entered the United States legally. He was thoroughly vetted by the government?s refugee resettlement program, and he?s got no criminal
    record to speak of. Yet, Widmer Agelvis is sitting in El Salvador?s CECOT prison,? Tur began, before asking Noriega for more details.

    https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/nbc-news-reports-trump-admin- effectively-disappeared-migrant-refugee-who-entered-the-u-s-legally/

    ============
    HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) -- Two Houston attorneys are fighting against the
    U.S. government to find out where a Venezuelan refugee was taken after disappearing from ICE custody in March.

    Now, a federal judge is demanding that the U.S. government, including ICE
    and Homeland Security, confirm the whereabouts of Widmer Agelviz-Sanguino
    and restore attorney-client communication.

    "Widmer and his family were referred to refugee resettlement in the
    United States through a UN program after being identified in Ecuador and
    were vetted and granted permission to come to the United States," Rivera said.

    Attorneys tell ABC13 that Sanguino, his two younger siblings, and his mom flew into Houston at George Bush Intercontinental Airport in September to start a new life.

    "After being invited, after being provided travel documents to come to
    the United States, he was arrested at the airport and told he was a gang member and we're going to deport you back to the place you fear most,"
    Rivera said.

    Rivera says border agents questioned Sanguino about his arm tattoo of a
    rose, owl, and clock.

    "They use tattoos as their end-all be-all for membership in this gang," Rivera said.

    Sanguino's attorneys claim the tattoos all have special meanings to him. Rivera says the rose was a nod to Sanguino's grandmother, who loved her
    rose bush garden. They say the owl and clock represent the area he grew
    up in, which had owls that would always come in the middle of the night.

    Attorneys say Sanguino was immediately taken into ICE custody from the airport.

    https://abc13.com/post/us-government-ordered-grant-houston-attorneys- access-where-venezuelan-refugee-was-taken-disappearing-ice/16498932/

    All liberal biased rags.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Michael A Terrell@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 13:34:05 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 5/22/2025 1:23 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <46KXP.575024$lbbb.546322@fx18.iad>,
    mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...

    On 5/22/2025 3:49 AM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
    child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green >>>> cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.
    So you're saying that rather than pardon the 1500 violent insurrectionists, >> Trump should have sent them to El Salvador instead.

    For once, you and I agree on something.

    But I never said that

    You did.

    --
    Another content-free post from Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 22 16:38:03 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate
    wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today
    doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Thu May 22 16:43:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/25 09:36, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.  There >>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.


    But if that were true, there wouldn't be wait times.

    And these are published. See Table 4:

    [quote]
    Projected years to process with deaths:

    Mexico/F3: 62 years
    [quote]

    <https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigration-wait-times-quotas-have-doubled-green-card-backlogs-are-long#current-backlogs>

    <https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/global-visa-wait-times.html>


    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 20:57:16 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 22 May 2025, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> posted some news:100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me:

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and
    inadequate wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job
    today doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.

    Bullshit they do. Homeless druggies and sex offenders get it and they
    don't have jobs. Illegal aliens get it and they don't have jobs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu May 22 13:56:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/2025 1:38 PM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today
    doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment benefits
    to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.

    Incorrect.

    Age distribution of SNAP participants by age, fiscal year 2022

    Adults age 18-59 — 42.2%
    Adults age 60 and older — 18.3%
    Children younger than 5 — 11.6%
    Children ages 5-17 — 28.0%

    So 39.6% of all SNAP recipients are children below the age of 18, and 18.3% are adults age 60 and older, most of whom are retired. That means no more than 50-55% of SNAP recipients might be working.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to Alan Bond on Thu May 22 13:58:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/2025 1:56 PM, Alan Bond wrote:
    On 5/22/2025 1:38 PM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>>>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today
    doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment benefits
    to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.

    Incorrect.

    Age distribution of SNAP participants by age, fiscal year 2022

    Adults age 18-59         — 42.2%
    Adults age 60 and older  — 18.3%
    Children younger than 5  — 11.6%
    Children ages 5-17       — 28.0%

    Forgot the link: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=54640


    So 39.6% of all SNAP recipients are children below the age of 18, and 18.3% are
    adults age 60 and older, most of whom are retired. That means no more than 50-55% of SNAP recipients might be working.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Michael A Terrell@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 14:42:12 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 5/22/2025 2:40 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <2TLXP.1943$hqs3.1369@fx11.iad>,
    mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...

    On 5/22/2025 1:23 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
    child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <46KXP.575024$lbbb.546322@fx18.iad>,
    mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...

    On 5/22/2025 3:49 AM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
    child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas >>>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select >>>>>>> places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green >>>>>> cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.
    So you're saying that rather than pardon the 1500 violent insurrectionists,
    Trump should have sent them to El Salvador instead.

    For once, you and I agree on something.

    But I never said that

    You did.

    Nope.

    Yep. I win again. I always win.

    Once again, you said nothing.

    --
    Another content-free post from Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu May 22 14:42:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 22/5/25 13:38, -hh wrote:
    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and
    Unemployment benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.



    They are from Ag because food stamps are a subsidy to farmers.

    One way to boost the economy to give spending money to people who
    will spend it immediately. Wealth is not money: it is money in
    motion. Spending lets merchants buy from wholesalers who buy from
    farmers and the money goes round and round the merchant's
    neighbourhood making it wealthier.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
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    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 15:47:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today
    doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Michael A Terrell@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 15:13:36 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism
    XPost: alt.fun, alt.politics.democrats.d

    On 5/22/2025 2:49 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <USMXP.10759$qmJf.9780@fx16.iad>,
    mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...

    On 5/22/2025 2:40 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
    child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <2TLXP.1943$hqs3.1369@fx11.iad>,
    mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...

    On 5/22/2025 1:23 PM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
    child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <46KXP.575024$lbbb.546322@fx18.iad>,
    mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...

    On 5/22/2025 3:49 AM, Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
    child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch
    of lies:

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas >>>>>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select >>>>>>>>> places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally. >>>>>>>>
    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green
    cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.
    So you're saying that rather than pardon the 1500 violent insurrectionists,
    Trump should have sent them to El Salvador instead.

    For once, you and I agree on something.

    But I never said that

    You did.

    Nope.

    Yep. I win again. I always win.

    Once again, you said nothing.

    That's right.


    Of course it's right. You never say anything meaningful. You only troll. You've admitted it.
    --
    Another content-free post from Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester and another fucking do-nothing

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  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 17:37:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/2025 4:56 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 13:56:56 -0700, Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net>
    wrote:

    On 5/22/2025 1:38 PM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>>>>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today >>>>> doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment benefits
    to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.

    Incorrect.

    Age distribution of SNAP participants by age, fiscal year 2022

    Adults age 18-59 — 42.2%
    Adults age 60 and older — 18.3%
    Children younger than 5 — 11.6%
    Children ages 5-17 — 28.0%

    So 39.6% of all SNAP recipients are children below the age of 18, and 18.3% are
    adults age 60 and older, most of whom are retired. That means no more than >> 50-55% of SNAP recipients might be working.

    Nobody is citing?


    I already addressed that. I forgot to include the link in the original post, so barely two minutes after the original post, I posted the link in reply to my own
    post.

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  • From Alan Bond@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 17:41:22 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Blowjob *still* is too stupid to know what his tell is!

    On 5/22/2025 1:57 PM, Chadlee "cuck" Blowjob, 350lb 5'1" morbidly obese convicted child molester and lying fat fuck, lied:

    On 22 May 2025, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> posted some news:100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me:

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and
    inadequate wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job
    today doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.

    Bullshit they do. Homeless druggies and sex offenders get it and they
    don't have jobs. Illegal aliens get it and

    No, Blowjob, undocumented immigrants do *not* receive SNAP benefits, you stupid cocksucker. They're ineligible, and states do verify eligibility.

    they don't have jobs.

    Nearly all adult undocumented immigrants *have* jobs, Blowjob, you stupid jobless liar.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 08:56:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:5hcs2kh6toqtator07u92ml4tmk1k0on5p@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 01:05:27 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:qbqq2k5rc3r73kpqm5torjgcob7ko3r7bb@4ax.com, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:25:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very heavily >>>>biased towards outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    Do you have a cite on this? China has a rapidly growing car market.
    They're the number one consumer of electric vehicles.

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-alone-trade-war-trump-tariffs

    Your own cite just proved you wrong.

    I made no claim. I proved yours irrelevant. Had you continued reading, you'd have seen this:

    "Even if new consumption-boosting measures are eventually rolled out, past patterns suggest they are more likely to focus on absorbing excess industrial capacity-by incentivizing purchases of state-favored goods like electric vehicles or appliances-rather than meaningfully raising household incomes. Moreover, Beijing has been strikingly reluctant to deploy stimulus, despite growing calls for action since last November, when Trump's election revived the threat of a renewed trade war. China seems to be reserving its fiscal firepower for a potentially larger shock, as hinted by the Liberation Day tariffs-but by the time that shock materializes, any response may prove too little, too late."

    "Equally important is the strength of China's domestic economy. The
    editorial notes that 85 percent of export-oriented firms also serve
    the domestic market, with internal sales accounting for 75 percent of
    their revenue-offering a built-in buffer against external disruptions."

    Did you catch that? 85% of export oriented firms have domestic sales
    of 75% of their revenue. Domestic oriented firms clearly have an even
    higher rate of domestic sales.

    If your business suddenly had sales reduced by 25%, would you shrug it off and continue supporting your government?

    So I was right, China IS selling to itself and in large quantities.

    Profitably? It IS an export-focused economy.

    " ... Yet once again, the underlying data tells a more sobering story. According
    to figures quietly released by the National Bureau of Statistics last month, the
    recovery in consumption and investment remains weak. For the first two months of
    the year, household purchasing power and spending willingness were still lacking, and sales of several key commodities were sluggish. Industrial data paint a similarly bleak picture: Effective market demand remains low, corporate profitability is under pressure, and exports of industrial products face mounting headwinds...."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 09:07:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:1lbs2kprrikqldao3r6719pn2molnsn1m5@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:29:21 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:qnhq2kt69rongerg4hbhu6ac61rha71q51@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:19:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and known >>>>criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.

    "The best they could do?"

    You act as if they would have controlled immigration if they could.

    They did control immigration....

    Yeah, they limited it to twenty million over forty years at a time
    when the total US population was less than eighty million.

    "Between 1880 and 1920, over 20 million European immigrants arrived in
    the United States. This period, which followed the Civil War and ended
    with the beginning of World War I, saw a significant increase in
    European immigration, driven by factors like rapid industrialization
    and urbanization in the US, as well as economic and political
    pressures in Europe"

    Iow, by the end of the first world war, 25% of the US population were immigrants.

    To match this performance, we would have to have allowed 70 million in
    since 1984.

    70 million over 40 years. Biden let in over 10 million over 4 years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Fri May 23 01:38:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> wrote in news:LTHXP.27085$rdEd.8441@fx39.iad:

    On 5/22/2025 7:50 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:


    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that [sic] government.

    What does "more efficient that government" mean, scooter? It appears I
    may need to add that/than to the list of scooterisms.

    There are some services that *only* government can provide, scooter,
    meaning that even if you consider the provision of them to be
    "inefficient," it is more efficient than not having it at all.

    =============
    AI Overview

    There's no conclusive evidence to suggest that private companies are
    inherently more efficient than government organizations. While some
    studies suggest private sector efficiency in certain areas, others show
    that government can be just as, or even more, efficient. Efficiency
    differences depend on factors like the specific service, context, and how efficiency is defined.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 03:34:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com:

    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.
    There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Unless you're a white South African.

    Which means they are willfully breaking the law and therefore should be >>weeded out. We do not need more criminals.

    Then send those Africaners home.


    ==============
    President Donald Trumps attempt to demonstrate evidence of white
    genocide in South Africa fell flat after he used pictures from an
    entirely different country to support his claims.

    Trump met with South Africas president, Cyril Ramaphosa, in the Oval
    Office on Wednesday in an effort to reset foreign relations.

    The meeting took a bizarre turn when Trump produced an array of articles
    and showed video footage alleging ethnic cleansing in South Africa.

    At one stage, Trump flipped to a printout of a blog post from The
    American Thinker titled Lets talk about Africa, which is where
    tribalism takes you.

    The featured image on the article, which was taken from a months-old
    video on February 7, showed Red Cross aid workers at a scene in the city
    of Goma, the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), where a mass rape
    and murder incident had occured.

    Look, here are burial sites all over the place. These are all white
    farmers that are being buried, the president falsely claimed while
    holding up the piece to reporters.

    https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/south- africa-trump-ramaphosa-meeting-country-b2755877.html

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  • From don@21:1/5 to max headroom on Thu May 22 23:23:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/2025 9:07 AM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:1lbs2kprrikqldao3r6719pn2molnsn1m5@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:29:21 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:qnhq2kt69rongerg4hbhu6ac61rha71q51@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:19:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done and known
    criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.

    "The best they could do?"

    You act as if they would have controlled immigration if they could.

    They did control immigration....

    Yeah, they limited it to twenty million over forty years at a time
    when the total US population was less than eighty million.

    "Between 1880 and 1920, over 20 million European immigrants arrived in
    the United States. This period, which followed the Civil War and ended
    with the beginning of World War I, saw a significant increase in
    European immigration, driven by factors like rapid industrialization
    and urbanization in the US, as well as economic and political
    pressures in Europe"

    Iow, by the end of the first world war, 25% of the US population were
    immigrants.

    To match this performance, we would have to have allowed 70 million in
    since 1984.

    70 million over 40 years. Biden let in over 10 million over 4 years.

    Easily.

    He didn't do much about the overstays either.

    https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-10/24_1011_CBP-Entry-Exit-Overstay-Report-FY23-Data.pdf

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From don@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 22 23:36:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/2025 6:38 PM, Baxter wrote:
    Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> wrote in news:LTHXP.27085$rdEd.8441@fx39.iad:

    On 5/22/2025 7:50 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
    chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:


    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that [sic] government.

    What does "more efficient that government" mean, scooter? It appears I
    may need to add that/than to the list of scooterisms.

    There are some services that *only* government can provide, scooter,
    meaning that even if you consider the provision of them to be
    "inefficient," it is more efficient than not having it at all.

    =============
    AI Overview

    There's no conclusive evidence to suggest that private companies are inherently more efficient than government organizations. While some
    studies suggest private sector efficiency in certain areas, others show
    that government can be just as, or even more, efficient. Efficiency differences depend on factors like the specific service, context, and how efficiency is defined.

    You know what AI stands for? Artificial Ignorance.

    If I want to fire someone in the private sector, I can walk down the
    hall, hand them a check, and escort them to the door. In the
    government I'd have to fight with some sub-70 IQ union rep and usually a
    lawyer to try and get somebody fired.

    If the government makes a stupid rule, I change my business practice(s)
    to circumvent the rule.

    That's efficiency.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 04:24:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 22/5/25 16:38, Governor Swill wrote:
    This all happens*because* they're illegal. If they were legal, these problems would all go away.

    America cannot be white if we let brown people in it.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 04:31:28 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 22/5/25 22:08, Governor Swill wrote:
    Screwworm flies lay their eggs in wounds in cattle and other
    livestock, even humans. They hatch and begin feeding on the live
    flesh causing pain and infection.

    In labs in the US, we breed screwflies in specialized facilities.
    These are then sterilized by radiation and dropped on breeding areas.
    Using this sterile insect technique, Uncle has eliminated them here at
    home. But it's more cost effective to only have to treat tiny Panama
    rather than than half the lower 48. We've eliminated the flies in
    Mexico and all the way south to Panama so we only have to treat there.
    I should have said that when local females mate with these sterilized
    males, they lay eggs that won't hatch.

    Birth control is immoral. It is an affront to the gods. If
    wimmenflies are going to screw any screwfly that waddles by, they
    deserve to get pregnant.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 22 13:01:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100nfeo$3gpv4$4@dont-email.me...
    Skeeter OG <invalid@none.com> wrote in news:MPG.4298af2a7ea9303198a158 @usnews.blocknews.net:

    In article <100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me>, bax02
    _spamblock@baxcode.com says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had
    green
    cards.

    If they commit crimes they gotta go.


    They are deporting/disppearing immigrants that have committed no crime -
    not here, not anywhere.

    One does not have to commit a crime to become deportable. Affiliation with a criminal gang is totally adequate, Lying to officials, even civil offenses
    can be cause.

    See, as a guest you're held to a much higher standard of conduct. Heck, I remember when an aircraft carrier and it's personal were kicked out of port because a drunk sailor decided to piss on a statue of their founder.

    So yea, you can be deported for a lot of things.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 13:06:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:r9IXP.157087$hYic.107780@fx42.iad...
    On 5/22/2025 6:38 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:t7ds2ktmg1dgtfd93n8s5iq9dok6lqdlqk@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 14:47:03 -0400, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper >>> and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and
    lied:




    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100id3v$2ba12$1@dont-email.me...
    On 20/5/25 4:37, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
    chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100gibj$1smsn$3@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 13:32, pothead wrote:
    Again, for the 1000th time, hire on merit the best person for
    the job.
    Gay, straight, black, white, female, male etc.


    And for the 1000 and first time, do you anything if
    discrimination is proven?

    Yes, the racial profile doesn't closely match the population
    profile as DEI requires.

    You asked me to show you.. now you are refusing to even look at
    the evidence you asked be presented.



    Nothing. Your bigotry goes unpunished.

    Says the person engaged in her own bigotry. I mean you DO know what it >>>> means
    right?

    However, if you want to say that calling for the best person to be
    hired is
    bigotry.. then everyone who hires on merit is a bigot according to you. >>>
    She said no such thing. You manufactured words for me to have said
    recently as well.

    I manufactured NOTHING..

    That's a lie, scooter. It's your usual straw man lying. "you want to say
    that calling for the best person to be hired is bigotry" is a straw man, scooter.

    Oh, so you're asserting we SHOULD hire people based on skin color, gender,
    and even height... is that why you are so mad?
    You're not tall enough to meet the minimum height requirements?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 13:03:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:TgIXP.160331$aIqa.109010@fx07.iad...
    On 5/22/2025 6:34 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:yKnXP.16951$oFZb.1234@fx06.iad...
    On 5/21/2025 5:32 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
    chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
    news:100ioom$2dhki$4@dont-email.me...
    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the >>>>> thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and
    *failed* — to bullshit:
    In news:100gqp6$222dt$1@dont-email.me, Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    On every date, oozing scarlet red maxipad, whose mouth waters at the >>>>>>> thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch, tried — and >>>>>>> *failed* — to bullshit:
    In news:W8KWP.742521$sF35.645723@fx11.iad, Rudy Canoza, the
    intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical >>>>>>>> superior to oozing scarlet red maxipad (whose mouth waters at the >>>>>>>> thought of his mommy's warm mackerel-reeking snatch) *wrote* (not >>>>>>>> "typed"):
    On 5/19/2025 5:22 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and >>>>>>>>> gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled >>>>>>>>> and lied:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:l54m2klfu57dembra373a62pk199t55q9h@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 16 May 2025 18:28:02 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit >>>>>>>>>>>> who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied: >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:5ngd2kp3mvf69cmqqj87h2lrnpoeerlsn9@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:07:36 -0400, scooter, the drunken >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> death of Rudy, trolled and lied:

    yea, and we controlled immigration too....and deported >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undesirables.

    Not during our period of greatest growth. After the Civil >>>>>>>>>>>>>> War,
    millions poured in. Minimal paperwork, nearly everybody who >>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrived was accepted.

    But not everyone.....

    Yes, everyone.

    The steamship lines were forced to
    take back to Europe - at their own expense -
    everyone rejected for US admission. So the
    liners conducted their own boarding inspections
    and weeded out all the medical issue passengers
    they knew would be rejected at Ellis Island.
    Ergo most everyone getting to the US was admitted
    to the US.

    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>>>> There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out

    Not by U.S. immigration enforcement, scooter. And not on the basis >>>>>>>>> of race or national origin, as you racist Nazis want to do.

    https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act >>>>>>
    That wasn't Ellis Island,...

    Exactly. There are scores of Ports of Entry and the Chinese Exclusion >>>>>> Act applied to all.

    ... and it was a different time period.

    Nope, the Chinese Exclusion Act became law in 1882.

    Ellis Island was 20 years later and on the opposite coast.

    And federal law applies throughout the United States.....
    Asians weren't entering the U.S. at Ellis Island, scooter.

    Of course not, due to the Chinese Exclusion Act..

    No, scooter — because they would have arrived on the west coast, you
    stupid fuckwit, and that act didn't exclude all Asians. Fuck, you're
    stupid!

    Rudy snips the evidence and screams "Did Not" as if that will alter the
    facts.

    ****Restore

    "The immigration station at New York’s Ellis Island opened in 1892 and remained the largest U.S. port for immigrant entry until World War I. In popular memory, Ellis Island is typically seen as a gateway for Europeans seeking to join the “great American melting pot.” But in this fresh examination of Ellis Island’s history, author Anna Pegler-Gordon reveals
    that it was also a MAJOR SITE OF IMMIGRATION DETENTION AND EXCLUSION, ESPECIALLY FOR CHINESE, JAPANESE AND OTHER ASIAN TRAVELERS AND MARITIME LABORERS who reached New York City from Europe, the Americas and the
    Caribbean, and even within the United States."

    https://www.archives.gov/calendar/event/closing-the-golden-door-asian-migration-and-the-hidden-history-of-exclusion-at-ellis-island

    {Emphasis added]

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 13:08:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:E5IXP.564654$lK62.518677@fx13.iad...
    On 5/22/2025 6:40 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
    news:100l65g$2vm86$1@dont-email.me...
    KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake
    Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:


    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    ralph <r62n@nynex.zib> wrote in
    news:100j1sb$32n4q$2@news.tcpreset.net:

    On 5/17/2025 8:33 PM, Baxter wrote:
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100a7ge$eft2$3@dont-email.me:

    In news:rkcf2klrf59qqokhtqautapttvaju1r9n2@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:32:14 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Hardly since if that were the case.. a lot of black NFL players >>>>> would
    need to be fired as per DEI standards the NFL is clearly engaged
    in
    racial discrimination and are absolutely engaged in gender >>>>>>>>>> discrimination. Not a single female player.

    Yep, if we go with the mandates of DEI the NFL is a racist >>>>>>>>>> organization that also refuses to hire female players.

    No it's not....

    Yes, it is, as are MLB and NBA and NIH and most professional
    sports.

    "max headroom" thinks "Pro Sports" is sports.

    I suppose where you live it's "water sports"?


    It's a for-profit entertainment business.

    Baxter says if it's for profit and entertainment it's OK to
    discriminate


    KKKlaun loves to twist things. Like the rest of the Entertainment
    industry, Pro "sports" has to choose from the pool of available talent.
    DEI doesn't enter into it.

    Wow.. they can select from the available talent.. but everyone else has
    to select based on racial profile...
    No one is "forced" to do that, scooter, and that's not what DEI is about.
    You can't cite a single instance of anyone hiring a less qualified person
    for any position because of your caricature of DEI.

    Rudy asserts that DEI serves no purpose, has no reason to exist and should
    be repealed as a useless law.

    After all, if they always hire then most qualified person.. then there is
    NEVER any racial or gender discrimination QED.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Thu May 22 13:10:00 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100nd25$3gpv4$1@dont-email.me...
    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in news:jres2k17t92mb3iicd0k9cm4roemdu4a6r@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuckin g.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:


    Like the rest of the Entertainment
    industry, Pro "sports" has to choose from the pool of available talent. >>>DEI doesn't enter into it.

    That's because they want to succeed,

    Where "success" = money, greed

    Well that's better than the Liberal notion where "success" = poverty and
    misery

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 13:11:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:B3IXP.564653$lK62.5357@fx13.iad...
    On 5/22/2025 7:19 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:oeds2khq0jhfpsns78hh4p8i40sorru77v@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 14:48:02 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:100a7ga$eft2$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want >>>>>>> to
    drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your own
    petard!

    Did I break Swill? He suddenly doesn't want to talk anymore.



    About what?

    And just like that,

    A scooterism

    ...is Rudy's admission of hiding from his, or others, defeat in the face of
    my overwhelming logic, reason, knowledge and facts.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 13:14:38 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rvcs2k1llu32b17jplk0ah87suksaecjci@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:36:57 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:7fkq2kd2s4nqltjtn15ej2d0716sg4v7or@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:59:49 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    Nope. Doesn't work like that.

    "No, I'd feed him. That's what America should do."

    So lied when you said you would feed him,

    Are your hormones out of whack or have you just gone blind? Look at
    my sentence above that you've quoted, "No, I'd feed him. That's what
    America should do." You've deleted everything else.

    What more needs to be said. YOU would feed him, and your opinion that
    everyone else should do the same.

    So... if you're going to feed them.. then DO IT. You don't need to call on anyone else to do what you have expressly stated you would do.

    However, I think we both know that when you said it what you really meant
    was 'Others should do it, even though I wont, because I think they should
    even if we have to force them, as long as it doesn't apply to me'

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Thu May 22 13:15:31 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:l1IXP.564652$lK62.276308@fx13.iad...
    On 5/22/2025 7:20 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:rvcs2k1llu32b17jplk0ah87suksaecjci@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:36:57 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:7fkq2kd2s4nqltjtn15ej2d0716sg4v7or@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:59:49 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    Nope. Doesn't work like that.

    "No, I'd feed him. That's what America should do."

    So lied when you said you would feed him,

    Are your hormones out of whack or have you just gone blind? Look at
    my sentence above that you've quoted, "No, I'd feed him. That's what
    America should do." You've deleted everything else.

    I see.. so your principles are only for OTHER PEOPLE... they don't apply
    to you.
    No, scooter, you liar. He applies them to all of us, scooter.

    Then since he's fed them.. no one else needs to.

    Oh, I forget, logic is something you don't understand.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu May 22 13:20:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in reality >>>>government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to the
    general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that pissing off >>the liberals to no end.


    Ah! So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    --
    https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget

    Nope, you are the one suggesting the government become involved. Why should
    our tax money be involved in the bulk of what government gets involved in?

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  • From Snort Report@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 09:13:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/25 1:20 PM, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in
    reality
    government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to the >>>> general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that
    pissing off
    the liberals to no end.


    Ah!  So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    --
    https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget

    Nope, you are the one suggesting the government become involved. Why
    should our tax money be involved in the bulk of what government gets
    involved in?




    government fucks up everything it touches.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Snort Report on Fri May 23 13:25:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Snort Report <HabemusPapam@snort.com> wrote in news:100psal$304g$4@dont-email.me:

    On 5/22/25 1:20 PM, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in
    reality
    government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to
    the general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that
    pissing off
    the liberals to no end.


    Ah!  So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    --
    https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget

    Nope, you are the one suggesting the government become involved. Why
    should our tax money be involved in the bulk of what government gets
    involved in?




    government fucks up everything it touches.



    Like DOGE.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 09:49:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:15mv2k1ppalln4538im9jkevje2ncfpuco@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 10:50:25 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in >>>>>>reality
    government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to the >>>>> general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that pissing >>>>off
    the liberals to no end.


    Ah! So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient that >>government.

    So?

    So it goes to my point. Which you apparently missed or ignored, again.

    Much as when I exposed your racism/sexism

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 06:32:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 22/5/25 10:01, Scout wrote:
    One does not have to commit a crime to become deportable.
    Affiliation with a criminal gang is totally adequate, Lying to
    officials, even civil offenses can be cause.

    We have laws on what is deportable. And with that comes due
    process to determine whether a law has been triggerred. I do not
    have to agree with a law to demand it be obeyed--including the
    Bill of Rights.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 09:47:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rimv2kl64kj8fb213hf812083eihrqacgr@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 10:48:27 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:5hcs2kh6toqtator07u92ml4tmk1k0on5p@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 01:05:27 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:qbqq2k5rc3r73kpqm5torjgcob7ko3r7bb@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>><governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Mon, 19 May 2025 20:25:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Ask the people of China because China's sales of goods is very heavily >>>>>>biased
    towards outside sales.
    IOW they are not selling within country, overall.

    Do you have a cite on this? China has a rapidly growing car market. >>>>> They're the number one consumer of electric vehicles.
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-alone-trade-war-trump-tariffs

    Your own cite just proved you wrong.

    "Equally important is the strength of China's domestic economy. The
    editorial notes that 85 percent of export-oriented firms also serve
    the domestic market, with internal sales accounting for 75 percent of
    their revenue-offering a built-in buffer against external
    disruptions."

    Did you catch that? 85% of export oriented firms have domestic sales
    of 75% of their revenue. Domestic oriented firms clearly have an even
    higher rate of domestic sales.

    Yea, and now you show us where we are the same or better....



    No. I proved you were wrong. That's enough.

    I see nothing above were you proven anyone to be wrong.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 09:30:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not simply
    decide to ignore the law.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 09:34:49 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:pqhv2ktnt1n17dh0ggstg3tnm22sp0o6or@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:20:18 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message >>news:100m4gp$396cq$1@dont-email.me...
    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    They are deporting immigrants that entered legally. Some even had green
    cards.

    Yep, when they commit crime or lied about their involvement with criminal >>gangs, or otherwise were identified as having lied to gain entry.. they >>become immediately deportable.


    Which is the judge's decision.

    Actually it's usually up to INS, as they are given wide latitude in this matter.
    Since nothing says they have a right to be here, or that they can not be deported pretty much at will.


    Due Process.

    Is only necessary for criminal charges..

    A cop doesn't need 'due process' to remove a trespasser, or even someone
    that was given prior approval that has seen been withdrawn.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri May 23 09:42:37 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100o29f$3l8cq$3@dont-email.me...
    On 5/22/25 09:36, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There >>>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.


    But if that were true, there wouldn't be wait times.

    And you are saying they can't/shouldn't wait because???

    When I come over, I will remember that I don't have to wait for you to
    answer the door, I should just walk in.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 09:43:05 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There >>>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Well shit... I guess they have to wait then.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Fri May 23 10:11:57 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100ptch$3l95$1@dont-email.me...
    On 22/5/25 10:01, Scout wrote:
    One does not have to commit a crime to become deportable.
    Affiliation with a criminal gang is totally adequate, Lying to
    officials, even civil offenses can be cause.

    We have laws on what is deportable. And with that comes due process to determine whether a law has been triggerred. I do not have to agree with a law to demand it be obeyed--including the Bill of Rights.

    "The Supreme Court unanimously ruled Tuesday that federal courts cannot
    review immigration officials' decisions to revoke previously approved visa petitions, a decision that could significantly strengthen executive power
    over immigration.

    Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, writing for a unanimous Court, stated that
    visa revocations are purely discretionary decisions by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that Congress has placed beyond judicial review."

    https://www.boundless.com/blog/supreme-court-rules-courts-cant-review-visa-revocations/

    You were saying?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri May 23 09:46:03 2025
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    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:oeds2khq0jhfpsns78hh4p8i40sorru77v@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 14:48:02 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message >>news:100a7ga$eft2$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you want to >>>>>drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your own
    petard!

    Did I break Swill? He suddenly doesn't want to talk anymore.



    About what?

    Now Swill pretends to have no idea why while ignoring the point I made
    above.

    So when are we going to discuss your racism and sexism?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Snort Report on Fri May 23 10:13:00 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Snort Report" <HabemusPapam@snort.com> wrote in message news:100psal$304g$4@dont-email.me...
    On 5/22/25 1:20 PM, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in
    reality
    government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to the >>>>> general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that pissing >>>> off
    the liberals to no end.


    Ah! So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    --
    https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget

    Nope, you are the one suggesting the government become involved. Why
    should our tax money be involved in the bulk of what government gets
    involved in?




    government fucks up everything it touches.

    By and large that is true.. and it is almost always extremely wasteful.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 08:36:13 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 23/5/25 7:11, Scout wrote:
    We have laws on what is deportable. And with that comes due
    process to determine whether a law has been triggerred. I do
    not have to agree with a law to demand it be obeyed--including
    the Bill of Rights.

    "The Supreme Court unanimously ruled Tuesday that federal courts
    cannot review immigration officials' decisions to revoke
    previously approved visa petitions, a decision that could
    significantly strengthen executive power over immigration.

    Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, writing for a unanimous Court,
    stated that visa revocations are purely discretionary decisions
    by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that Congress has
    placed beyond judicial review."

    https://www.boundless.com/blog/supreme-court-rules-courts-cant-review-visa-revocations/


    You were saying?


    Due process was followed.

    --
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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 08:38:49 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 23/5/25 6:30, Scout wrote:
    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.


    Yes. Our laws were written by the finger of Eris herself on the
    sides of Mt Rushmore. It is not like we made our laws ourselves,
    or that we can change ourselves.

    --
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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Skeeter OG on Fri May 23 11:40:47 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>>>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today
    doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a “poverty wage,” as its annual earnings
    potential for a single adult working full-time, year-round falls below
    the DHHS's poverty threshold of $15,650.

    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit from
    indirect forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    Of course, if we're not going to simply raise the minimum, one could
    propose having a database crosswalk between tax records and things like
    the SNAP program to be able backcharge the employer ... but we also know
    that the consequence of doing that is that they would discriminate by
    choosing to avoid hiring workers who may have children/etc. Even so,
    the above poverty metric is already "single adult".


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan Bond on Fri May 23 11:31:09 2025
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    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/25 16:56, Alan Bond wrote:
    On 5/22/2025 1:38 PM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and
    inadequate
    wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today
    doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.

    Incorrect.

    Age distribution of SNAP participants by age, fiscal year 2022

    Adults age 18-59         — 42.2%
    Adults age 60 and older  — 18.3%
    Children younger than 5  — 11.6%
    Children ages 5-17       — 28.0%

    So 39.6% of all SNAP recipients are children below the age of 18, and
    18.3% are adults age 60 and older, most of whom are retired. That means
    no more than 50-55% of SNAP recipients might be working.

    So you really expect children under age 5 to be out working in the mill?

    Just because a child receives SNAP benefits doesn't mean that they're
    the applicant who is expected to work. The work requirement is on the household's adult, so that's the relevant metric.

    What you'll find is that it is indeed over 72%:

    [quote]
    Include at least one worker:

    79% - all SNAP families
    83.7% - married couple SNAP families
    76.2% - SNAP families with no spouse
    [/quote]

    <https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/stories/2020/07/most-families-that-received-snap-benefits-in-2018-had-at-least-one-person-working-figure-1.jpg>

    Above chart is from the larger report, found here:

    <https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/07/most-families-that-received-snap-benefits-in-2018-had-at-least-one-person-working.html>


    -hh

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 08:41:46 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 23/5/25 6:43, Scout wrote:
    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal
    entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Well shit... I guess they have to wait then.


    Why waste the money pretending to have immigration if we just do
    not allow any?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 11:44:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/23/25 09:43, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.  There >>>>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit.  Stop lying to yourself.  The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Well shit... I guess they have to wait then.

    Then stop trying to dishonestly compare it to the negligible wait times
    than your "legal" ancestors benefited from.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 11:48:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/23/25 09:42, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100o29f$3l8cq$3@dont-email.me...
    On 5/22/25 09:36, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.  There >>>>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.


    But if that were true, there wouldn't be wait times.

    And you are saying they can't/shouldn't wait because???

    No, what I'm saying is that allowing one group in instantly (e.g.
    Afrikaners) while making others wait a lifetime is gross & unjust.

    When I come over, I will remember that I don't have to wait for
    you to answer the door, I should just walk in.

    Nope, deliberately wrong interpretation.

    Point is that the length of the line varies by **who you are** and very obviously has a huge racist preference for whites over all others.

    Thus, why white Afrikaners wait 60 minutes while Mexicans wait 60 years.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to don on Fri May 23 11:50:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/23/25 02:23, don wrote:
    On 5/22/2025 9:07 AM, max headroom wrote:
    In news:1lbs2kprrikqldao3r6719pn2molnsn1m5@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:29:21 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:qnhq2kt69rongerg4hbhu6ac61rha71q51@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 14:19:26 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    And also, based upon the ship's manifest, basic checks were done
    and known
    criminals, bad actors were refused entry into US.
    At the time that was the best they could do, but at least they tried.

    "The best they could do?"

    You act as if they would have controlled immigration if they could.

    They did control immigration....

    Yeah, they limited it to twenty million over forty years at a time
    when the total US population was less than eighty million.

    "Between 1880 and 1920, over 20 million European immigrants arrived in
    the United States. This period, which followed the Civil War and ended
    with the beginning of World War I, saw a significant increase in
    European immigration, driven by factors like rapid industrialization
    and urbanization in the US, as well as economic and political
    pressures in Europe"

    Iow, by the end of the first world war, 25% of the US population were
    immigrants.

    To match this performance, we would have to have allowed 70 million in
    since 1984.

    70 million over 40 years. Biden let in over 10 million over 4 years.

    Easily.

    He didn't do much about the overstays either.

    And yet nevertheless (ie, even if this claim is true), US unemployment continued to be under 5%, the definition of Full Employment.

    As such, you have zero proof of being harmed.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 11:54:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/23/25 09:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again.  You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades.  We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not simply decide to ignore the law.



    I'm reminded of a conversation I had on COLA with RonB awhile back on
    this topic, so I'll pose the same basic question:


    For an immigration candidate who passes all tests for suitability, what
    do you think is a fair amount of time that they should have to wait to immigrate?


    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking
    about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.



    -hh

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Fri May 23 08:58:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 23/5/25 6:49, Scout wrote:

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more
    efficient that
    government.

    So?

    So it goes to my point. Which you apparently missed or ignored,
    again.

    Naw, you are just stupid. Private enterprise can adapt quickly,
    and as greedy algorithms are often close to optimal, private
    enterprise is usually close to optimal. However it is on occasion
    extremely anti-optimal. Smart people have settled on mostly
    keeping government out of it, but monitorring and ready to step
    in when it goes pear shaped.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 09:02:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear the
    most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 08:34:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. There >>>>>>> were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Unless you're a white South African.

    Which means they are willfully breaking the law and therefore should be >>weeded out. We do not need more criminals.

    Then send those Africaners home.

    What crimes did they commit?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 09:04:34 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:XnsB2E783A3CFE4C629555@185.151.15.190, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    typed:

    "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:100negt$3h5nl$25@dont-email.me:

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that government.

    Then why is private enterprize always...

    ... sometimes ...

    ... turning to government for a
    bailout and price supports?

    Because government is always changing the rules.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 09:06:56 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:15mv2k1ppalln4538im9jkevje2ncfpuco@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 22 May 2025 10:50:25 -0400, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient that >>government.

    So?

    Does that mean we should put private business in charge of say, city
    parks? Trash collection? Prisons? Water systems?

    We've been privatizing stuff like this for decades and the end result
    has been more black money in more political pockets.

    The pockets of politicians who award contracts.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 10:24:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In article <100q4tv$3l8cq$5@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>>>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today >>>> doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a ?poverty wage,? as its annual earnings
    potential for a single adult working full-time, year-round falls below
    the DHHS's poverty threshold of $15,650.

    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit from
    indirect forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    Of course, if we're not going to simply raise the minimum, one could
    propose having a database crosswalk between tax records and things like
    the SNAP program to be able backcharge the employer ... but we also know
    that the consequence of doing that is that they would discriminate by choosing to avoid hiring workers who may have children/etc. Even so,
    the above poverty metric is already "single adult".


    -hh

    Find higher paying jobs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bill Flitt@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 21:36:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 23 May 2025, Rudy <katt@gmail.com> posted some news:nJ1YP.90238$0DKa.15311@fx14.iad:

    On 5/23/2025 6:49 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:15mv2k1ppalln4538im9jkevje2ncfpuco@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 10:50:25 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when
    in reality government is often the worst organization for the
    job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available
    to the general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that
    pissing off the liberals to no end.


    Ah!  So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that government.

    So?

    So it goes to my point. Which you apparently missed or ignored,
    again.

    You've never had a substantive point in over two decades of pissing
    away your worthless time in Usenet, scooter. You're just a really
    shitty troll, scooter.

    Says the Filipino midget who flunked out of UCLA and thinks he is
    English literate.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Fri May 23 21:33:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100q766$5mmp$2@dont-email.me:

    In news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons.
    There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Unless you're a white South African.

    Which means they are willfully breaking the law and therefore should
    be weeded out. We do not need more criminals.

    Then send those Africaners home.

    What crimes did they commit?

    They lied about genocide.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill Flitt@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 21:37:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 23 May 2025, Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> posted some news:OJ1YP.90240$0DKa.41969@fx14.iad:

    On 5/23/2025 6:46 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:oeds2khq0jhfpsns78hh4p8i40sorru77v@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 14:48:02 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:100a7ga$eft2$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you
    want to drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your
    own petard!

    Did I break Swill? He suddenly doesn't want to talk anymore.



    About what?

    Now Swill pretends to have no idea why while ignoring the point I
    made above.

    You didn't make a point, scooter. You never make a substantive point, scooter, you lying shitbag.

    Says the broken pencil.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to max headroom on Fri May 23 21:43:25 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear the
    most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and impartial."

    So you're saying you're against: fairnes
    and you're in favor of treating some people better than others.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Maricopa@21:1/5 to Siri on Sat May 24 00:23:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In <100pmae$2btf$3@dont-email.me> Siri said:

    On 22/5/25 22:08, Governor Swill wrote:
    Screwworm flies lay their eggs in wounds in cattle and other
    livestock, even humans. They hatch and begin feeding on the live
    flesh causing pain and infection.

    In labs in the US, we breed screwflies in specialized facilities.
    These are then sterilized by radiation and dropped on breeding areas. >>>>Using this sterile insect technique, Uncle has eliminated them here at >>>>home. But it's more cost effective to only have to treat tiny Panama >>>>rather than than half the lower 48. We've eliminated the flies in >>>>Mexico and all the way south to Panama so we only have to treat there.
    I should have said that when local females mate with these sterilized
    males, they lay eggs that won't hatch.

    Birth control is immoral. It is an affront to the gods. If
    wimmenflies are going to screw any screwfly that waddles by, they
    deserve to get pregnant.

    If they kept their wings together they wouldn't have that problem.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Maricopa on Fri May 23 22:54:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Maricopa <2394561973@verizon.com> wrote in news:20250524.002333.b0bd08dc@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

    In <100pmae$2btf$3@dont-email.me> Siri said:

    On 22/5/25 22:08, Governor Swill wrote:
    Screwworm flies lay their eggs in wounds in cattle and other >>>>>livestock, even humans. They hatch and begin feeding on the live >>>>>flesh causing pain and infection.

    In labs in the US, we breed screwflies in specialized facilities. >>>>>These are then sterilized by radiation and dropped on breeding
    areas.
    Using this sterile insect technique, Uncle has eliminated them here
    at
    home. But it's more cost effective to only have to treat tiny
    Panama
    rather than than half the lower 48. We've eliminated the flies in >>>>>Mexico and all the way south to Panama so we only have to treat
    there.
    I should have said that when local females mate with these sterilized
    males, they lay eggs that won't hatch.

    Birth control is immoral. It is an affront to the gods. If
    wimmenflies are going to screw any screwfly that waddles by, they
    deserve to get pregnant.

    If they kept their wings together they wouldn't have that problem.


    poor widdle screwflies, can't control their urges.

    Parents, teach your boys to respect girls/women.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 16:30:37 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:100qpk5$9aqh$1@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100q766$5mmp$2@dont-email.me:
    In news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote

    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>> There were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Unless you're a white South African.

    Which means they are willfully breaking the law and therefore should
    be weeded out. We do not need more criminals.

    Then send those Africaners home.

    What crimes did they commit?

    They lied about genocide.

    What crimes did they commit?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jerry Buchanan@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat May 24 11:36:29 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/23/2025 8:40 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>>>>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today >>>>> doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment
    benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a “poverty wage,” as its annual earnings potential for a
    single adult working full-time, year-round falls below the DHHS's poverty threshold of $15,650.

    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit from indirect forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    No, they don't. Welfare benefits to low income people *raise* the reservation wage. It means Walmart has to pay people *more* than they otherwise would.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_wage https://www.nber.org/digest/jun14/what-determines-reservation-wage-unemployed-workers


    Of course, if we're not going to simply raise the minimum, one could propose having a database crosswalk between tax records and things like the SNAP program
    to be able backcharge the employer ... but we also know that the consequence of
    doing that is that they would discriminate by choosing to avoid hiring workers
    who may have children/etc.  Even so, the above poverty metric is already "single
    adult".


    -hh

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 24 20:33:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:uk243kprh450g9e30sp6pqlt568v5jred4@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear
    the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.


    The "E" in DEI stands for Equity.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Jerry Buchanan on Sat May 24 20:44:26 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Jerry Buchanan <some.fucking.terrell.pal@douchebags.r.us> wrote in news:NkoYP.54479$G6Lf.31956@fx17.iad:

    On 5/23/2025 8:40 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and
    inadequate wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job
    today doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and
    Unemployment benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a “poverty wage,” as its annual earnings
    potential for a single adult working full-time, year-round falls
    below the DHHS's poverty threshold of $15,650.

    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit from
    indirect forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    No, they don't. Welfare benefits to low income people *raise* the
    reservation wage. It means Walmart has to pay people *more* than they otherwise would.

    And yet not enough to lift them from poverty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_wage https://www.nber.org/digest/jun14/what-determines-reservation-wage-unem ployed-workers

    When I was young an poor, I was willing to work a dishwashing job just to
    have a bite to eat.

    Your Reservation Wage is also known as Slave Wages.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Baxter on Sat May 24 17:00:39 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Baxter wrote:
    Parents, teach your boys to respect girls/women.


    Also which is the correct restroom to use, unlike
    these gender-bender queers we have now.

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  • From Du spinnst wohl@21:1/5 to Rudy on Sun May 25 03:35:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In <NkoYP.54479$G6Lf.31956@fx17.iad> Rudy said:

    On 5/23/2025 8:40 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and inadequate >>>>>>> wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and
    lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job today >>>>>> doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and Unemployment >>>>> benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a “poverty wage,” as its annual earnings potential for a
    single adult working full-time, year-round falls below the DHHS's poverty
    threshold of $15,650.

    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit from indirect >> forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    No, they don't. Welfare benefits to low income people *raise* the reservation wage. It means Walmart has to pay people *more* than they otherwise would.

    Raising the wage isn't the answer if the business then cuts or limits
    worker hours. In most cases it hurts the worker by either putting them
    over a threshold that reduces valuable benefit filling gaps, or their
    hours get cut.

    That's what happened with the Obamacare hourly mandate. It actually
    shifted the greater burden to taxpayers and non-profits because businesses
    made adjustments to offset the requirement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_wage https://www.nber.org/digest/jun14/what-determines-reservation-wage-unemployed-workers

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Scout on Sun May 25 13:02:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-23, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not simply decide to ignore the law.

    The system is a mess and needs to be streamlined.
    That should be the next step after deporting as many of the illegals as possible.
    And then, people who truly want to come to US and improve their lives can apply and be assured that they will have a hearing quickly instead of waiting years.




    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 13:58:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- >>email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear the >>>> most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.
    End of story.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Sun May 25 11:13:49 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/25 12:01, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/22/2025 7:50 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:4ecs2khud6vmv0se7rp9o3d2sq733df5s7@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:46:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:kckq2k9n4eh8o1g9gv3lvd2vdj6to63ppp@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 09:06:08 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in
    reality
    government is often the worst organization for the job.

    But only the government is required to make these all available to the >>>>> general public.

    Well, then we simply remove the requirements.. and boy is that
    pissing off
    the liberals to no end.


    Ah!  So in your universe, it is ok for tax dollars to be spent on
    social facilities that belong to private entities and at the same
    time, disallow the public from using what they paid for.

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that [sic]
    government.

    What does "more efficient that government" mean, scooter? It appears I
    may need to add that/than to the list of scooterisms.

    Indeed you do, because the conservation of money: the only ways that Enterprise really can be "more efficient" is either by:

    a) providing lower employee compensation
    b) violate labor laws to increase productivity
    c) cheat workers out of pay
    d) cheat the public by not delivering
    e) violate various laws/regulations such as on workplace safety

    In simplest overview, there can't be a free lunch because Enterprise
    isn't a nonprofit, so even if all operating costs & products were
    literally equal, there's the additional expense incurred by Enterprise
    of their profit margin, be it 5%, 10% or more, which makes Enterprise
    more expensive.

    -hh






    There are some services that *only* government can provide, scooter,
    meaning that even if you consider the provision of them to be
    "inefficient," it is more efficient than not having it at all.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Sun May 25 11:27:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/22/25 11:49, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/19/2025 6:06 AM, scooter [wrote]:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in
    reality government is often the worst organization for the job.

    scooter thinks national defense, air traffic control and the courts
    system can be provided by private enterprise. scooter thinks a lot of
    stupid bullshit.

    Well, to some level they _can_, but the question will be how much more
    do they cost since there's the additional expense of profit incentive,
    plus that of contracts management. Defense contractors being a prime
    example.


    -hh

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun May 25 13:17:52 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 5/22/25 11:49, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/19/2025 6:06 AM, scooter [wrote]:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in
    reality government is often the worst organization for the job.

    scooter thinks national defense, air traffic control and the courts
    system can be provided by private enterprise. scooter thinks a lot of
    stupid bullshit.

    Well, to some level they _can_, but the question will be how much more
    do they cost since there's the additional expense of profit incentive,
    plus that of contracts management. Defense contractors being a prime example.

    "We must increase the value to our shareholders."

    --
    Since we have to speak well of the dead, let's knock them while they're alive.
    -- John Sloan

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun May 25 20:00:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear
    the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>>impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun May 25 19:58:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v4c9$1ch5q$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-23, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from
    select places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.

    The system is a mess and needs to be streamlined.
    That should be the next step after deporting as many of the illegals
    as possible. And then, people who truly want to come to US and improve
    their lives can apply and be assured that they will have a hearing
    quickly instead of waiting years.

    What about the people that have already applied and are grabbed at their hearings?

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun May 25 12:44:26 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 25/5/25 6:58, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- >>> email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear the >>>>> most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and
    impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.
    End of story.



    And when that provably does not happen?

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Jonathan Ball@21:1/5 to Rudy on Sun May 25 22:56:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In <5iJYP.40047$mjgd.12402@fx09.iad> Rudy said:

    On 5/25/2025 8:27 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 11:49, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/19/2025 6:06 AM, scooter wrote:

    Well apparently he thinks only government can do things, when in reality >>>> government is often the worst organization for the job.

    scooter thinks national defense, air traffic control and the courts system >>> can be provided by private enterprise. scooter thinks a lot of stupid bullshit.

    Well, to some level they _can_, but the question will be how much more do they
    cost since there's the additional expense of profit incentive, plus that of >> contracts management.  Defense contractors being a prime example.
    In public finance economics, defense — and lighthouses — are the *classic*
    public goods that, for practical reasons, need to be provided by the government.
    A public good is defined as a good for which one person's consumption does not
    reduce the amount available for someone else. If strategic bombers provide reliable protection against nuclear attack, then if I am protected against nuclear attack, that doesn't reduce the protection provided to you or anyone else. A can of beer, by contrast, is a private good, or what economists call "rivalrous" goods: if I drink it, you can.

    Public goods need to be provided by the government because of the free rider problem. People want the good but have no incentive to pay for it if they think
    someone else will pay for it. But if everyone thinks that, and they will, then
    *no one* will pay for it, and the good will not be produced and provided.

    It all comes down to the ability to exclude free riders. If free riders can be
    excluded costlessly, or at low cost, they will be and the public good becomes a
    private good. An example is a sporting event or a concert. If two teams play baseball in a public park, anyone can walk up and watch the game (up to a point
    — if 500,000 surround the playing field, those at the back won't be able to see
    the game being played). But if you put the contest or a music concert inside an
    arena or stadium, and allow the provider to exclude non-paying fans, now you've
    converted the public good into a private one, and anyone wishing to consume the
    event *must* pay to get inside.

    The lighthouse is the true classic public good. If one ship is safely guided past the rocks into the harbor, that doesn't reduce the amount of lighthouse services available for other ships. But no ship owner has an incentive to pay for the construction and operation of the lighthouse. So, the government builds
    the lighthouse, and either charges all citizens for it — because that's who
    benefits ultimately from cargo ships — or apportions the cost to the shipping
    companies through docking fees.

    You stole that.

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  • From 41 - 21@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 26 02:52:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    In <100vssa$1hud4$5@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    Default Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear >>>>>> the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>>>impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI

    Riiiight.

    Kamala Harris was qualified to do what?

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  • From America First - Screw Illegal Alien@21:1/5 to Baxter on Mon May 26 03:07:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In <100vsot$1hud4$4@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v4c9$1ch5q$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-23, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas >>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from
    select places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.

    The system is a mess and needs to be streamlined.
    That should be the next step after deporting as many of the illegals
    as possible. And then, people who truly want to come to US and improve
    their lives can apply and be assured that they will have a hearing
    quickly instead of waiting years.

    What about the people that have already applied and are grabbed at their hearings?

    If they get denied for whatever reason they are fair game.

    Just because their native country has laws against queers and trannys
    doesn't mean they are entitled to come force themselves and their mental illness(es) somewhere else. We don't want their felons either. That
    is not a valid reason for amnesty.

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to there@you.losers on Mon May 26 03:04:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    America First - Screw Illegal Aliens <go-home-and-protest-
    there@you.losers> wrote in news:20250526.030757.ec42ba2c@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

    In <100vsot$1hud4$4@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v4c9$1ch5q$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-23, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight
    quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from
    select places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else. >>>>>>

    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.

    The system is a mess and needs to be streamlined.
    That should be the next step after deporting as many of the illegals
    as possible. And then, people who truly want to come to US and
    improve
    their lives can apply and be assured that they will have a hearing
    quickly instead of waiting years.

    What about the people that have already applied and are grabbed at
    their
    hearings?

    If they get denied for whatever reason they are fair game.

    Just because their native country has laws against queers and trannys
    doesn't mean they are entitled to come force themselves and their
    mental
    illness(es) somewhere else. We don't want their felons either. That
    is not a valid reason for amnesty.

    A mother wast taken into custody outside the Baltimore court while
    holding her days-old infant. Yeah, sure, she was criminal, queer and or tranny. In a pig's eye.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 00:41:45 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 25/5/25 17:52, 41 - 21 wrote:
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI
    Riiiight.

    Kamala Harris was qualified to do what?

    Give you brain aneurysms.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 07:14:18 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    41 - 21 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    <snip>

    Kamala Harris was qualified to do what?

    <https://ignitenational.org/blog/a-timeline-of-kamala-harris-career>

    Show us *your* resume, bwah.

    --
    I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 15:05:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:sbu83ktg31f3uneaq4ra65cgj93raq0d2f@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in >>news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys
    fear
    the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair
    and
    impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI

    ROFLMAO

    Tell us you have no idea what DEI is without saying "I have no idea
    what DEI is."

    KKKlaun hates honest corporations.

    ==============
    DEI stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. Beyond that, there is
    little agreement on what it means.

    On the one hand, DEI is a broad-brush term that refers to the policies
    and measures that organizations use to prevent discrimination, comply
    with civil rights laws and create environments more welcoming to people
    from marginalized backgrounds.

    Supporters of these diversity programs say they help companies hire and
    retain top talent and boost innovation and profits.

    "Talk to any CEO of a major Fortune 500 company. Theyll tell you that
    their bottom line, dollar wise, does better when theres more diversity
    in the room," Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey, a former civil rights
    lawyer and a Democrat, recently told the New York Times.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/03/04/trump-dei-backlash- explained/81170427007/

    ===========
    "their bottom line, dollar wise, does better when theres more diversity
    in the room"!! Oh, the horrors! says KKKlaun, "we can't allow that!"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to 41-21@osu.edu on Mon May 26 21:33:33 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 2025-05-26, 41 - 21 <41-21@osu.edu> wrote:
    In <100vssa$1hud4$5@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> >>> wrote:
    Default Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear >>>>>>> the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>>>>impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI

    Riiiight.

    Kamala Harris was qualified to do what?

    Hahaha!
    The poster child for why DEI doesn't work.
    Pete Buttigieg is another one.
    All those degrees and still no brains.

    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Maxm@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 21:46:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    On 26 May 2025, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> posted some news:1012mnd$26ru5$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-26, 41 - 21 <41-21@osu.edu> wrote:
    In <100vssa$1hud4$5@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
    Default Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor
    Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys
    fear the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy. >>>>>>>
    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair >>>>>>and impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI

    Riiiight.

    Kamala Harris was qualified to do what?

    Hahaha!
    The poster child for why DEI doesn't work.
    Pete Buttigieg is another one.
    All those degrees and still no brains.

    In the old days a degree meant something. Now, it's just a
    participation trophy at an indoctrination center.

    You're better off finding something you like and honing your skills to
    fit the job.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 15:04:42 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    In news:1011vv2$22522$5@dont-email.me, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "Talk to any CEO of a major Fortune 500 company. Theyll tell you that
    their bottom line, dollar wise, does better when theres more diversity
    in the room," Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey, a former civil rights
    lawyer and a Democrat, recently told the New York Times.

    Now there's an unbiased source as related by an impartial publication!

    Nyuck nyuck nyuck....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 15:31:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:100vc3d$nugo$2@dont-email.me, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> typed:

    On 5/22/25 12:01, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:
    On 5/22/2025 7:50 AM, Scout typed:

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that [sic] government.

    What does "more efficient that government" mean, scooter? It appears I
    may need to add that/than to the list of scooterisms.

    Indeed you do, because the conservation of money: the only ways that Enterprise really can be "more efficient" is either by:

    a) providing lower employee compensation
    b) violate labor laws to increase productivity
    c) cheat workers out of pay
    d) cheat the public by not delivering
    e) violate various laws/regulations such as on workplace safety

    Anyone who's ever seen a county road crew patch pot holes knows that's bullshit-- three guys leaning on shovels while a fourth tamps the mix and a fifth moves the truck.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 27 03:13:43 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:tvr93khkakvp374rd03k5660h9ifknbohu@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com>
    wrote in >>news:sbu83ktg31f3uneaq4ra65cgj93raq0d2f@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksu
    ck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in >>>>news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor
    Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys
    fear
    the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes
    lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair
    and
    impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the >>>>position" is the heart of DEI

    ROFLMAO

    Tell us you have no idea what DEI is without saying "I have no idea
    what DEI is."

    KKKlaun hates honest corporations.

    ==============
    DEI stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. Beyond that, there is >>little agreement on what it means.

    No, all normal American's know what it means.

    CEO: This board will come to order!
    KKKlaun's Strawman: How come we have no black lesbians on your board?
    CEO [to CFO] Who let this fucker in here?
    KKKlaun's Strawman: How come we have no trans women on your board?
    CEO: We have three trans women working for us. None of them are
    qualified to be on the board.
    KKKlaun's Strawman: RACIST! NAZI! REPUG! Your board doesn't represent
    the people!
    CEO: You have Congress for that, you senile fuck.


    Fixed that for ya.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 27 07:10:01 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Governor Swill wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On Sun, 25 May 2025 00:22:22 -0500, Praetor Mandrake

    <snip>

    Because I don't buy that Communism is working.

    What's communism got to do with the United States?

    Just another reactionary buzzword misappropriated and misused by
    Trumpendolts, just like "woke", "DEI", "white genocide", "reverse racism", "Antifa", "illegal", "lawfare", "leftist", ....

    A separate reality.

    --
    Death. Destruction. Disease. Horror. That's what war is all about.
    That's what makes it a thing to be avoided.
    -- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.0

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to max headroom on Tue May 27 13:20:04 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 2025-05-26, max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:100vc3d$nugo$2@dont-email.me, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> typed:

    On 5/22/25 12:01, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:
    On 5/22/2025 7:50 AM, Scout typed:

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more efficient
    that [sic] government.

    What does "more efficient that government" mean, scooter? It appears I
    may need to add that/than to the list of scooterisms.

    Indeed you do, because the conservation of money: the only ways that
    Enterprise really can be "more efficient" is either by:

    a) providing lower employee compensation
    b) violate labor laws to increase productivity
    c) cheat workers out of pay
    d) cheat the public by not delivering
    e) violate various laws/regulations such as on workplace safety

    Anyone who's ever seen a county road crew patch pot holes knows that's bullshit-- three guys leaning on shovels while a fourth tamps the mix and a fifth moves the truck.

    And at least in NY they make certain to do a substandard job so they can
    come back in 6 months to repair it once again.
    It's job security.




    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 27 10:15:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100q4q7$566n$2@dont-email.me...
    On 23/5/25 6:30, Scout wrote:
    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.


    Yes. Our laws were written by the finger of Eris herself on the sides of
    Mt Rushmore. It is not like we made our laws ourselves, or that we can
    change ourselves.

    And just like that Siri blows a gasket and wanders off into liberal delusions....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 27 10:19:02 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100vsot$1hud4$4@dont-email.me...
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v4c9$1ch5q$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-23, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas >>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from
    select places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.

    The system is a mess and needs to be streamlined.
    That should be the next step after deporting as many of the illegals
    as possible. And then, people who truly want to come to US and improve
    their lives can apply and be assured that they will have a hearing
    quickly instead of waiting years.

    What about the people that have already applied and are grabbed at their hearings?

    Just because you applied doesn't allow you to violate the law.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue May 27 10:18:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100q5np$3l8cq$9@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select
    places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not simply
    decide to ignore the law.



    I'm reminded of a conversation I had on COLA with RonB awhile back on this topic, so I'll pose the same basic question:


    For an immigration candidate who passes all tests for suitability, what do you think is a fair amount of time that they should have to wait to immigrate?


    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those who pass, asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in line.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 27 10:20:13 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:1010lnj$1qj0g$1@dont-email.me...
    America First - Screw Illegal Aliens <go-home-and-protest-
    there@you.losers> wrote in news:20250526.030757.ec42ba2c@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:

    In <100vsot$1hud4$4@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v4c9$1ch5q$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-23, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight
    quotas
    that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from
    select places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally. >>>>>>>
    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else. >>>>>>>

    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.

    The system is a mess and needs to be streamlined.
    That should be the next step after deporting as many of the illegals
    as possible. And then, people who truly want to come to US and
    improve
    their lives can apply and be assured that they will have a hearing
    quickly instead of waiting years.

    What about the people that have already applied and are grabbed at
    their
    hearings?

    If they get denied for whatever reason they are fair game.

    Just because their native country has laws against queers and trannys
    doesn't mean they are entitled to come force themselves and their
    mental
    illness(es) somewhere else. We don't want their felons either. That
    is not a valid reason for amnesty.

    A mother wast taken into custody outside the Baltimore court while
    holding her days-old infant. Yeah, sure, she was criminal, queer and or tranny. In a pig's eye.

    Someone murders you, but we should wait until they pay a parking ticket
    before putting them under arrest.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue May 27 10:48:58 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100q5d6$3l8cq$7@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:42, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100o29f$3l8cq$3@dont-email.me...
    On 5/22/25 09:36, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>> There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.


    But if that were true, there wouldn't be wait times.

    And you are saying they can't/shouldn't wait because???

    No, what I'm saying is that allowing one group in instantly (e.g.
    Afrikaners) while making others wait a lifetime is gross & unjust.

    Depends on the circumstances for each group.

    When I come over, I will remember that I don't have to wait for you to
    answer the door, I should just walk in.

    Nope, deliberately wrong interpretation.

    Point is that the length of the line varies by **who you are** and very obviously has a huge racist preference for whites over all others.

    If that were the only factor you might have a point, that you don't even realize there are other issues involved.. that just makes you sound like a bigot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 27 10:49:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100q4vo$566n$3@dont-email.me...
    On 23/5/25 6:43, Scout wrote:
    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal
    entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Well shit... I guess they have to wait then.


    Why waste the money pretending to have immigration if we just do not allow any?

    Why ask a question in which you assert conditions that do not exist in order
    to try to invoke a predetermined response?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue May 27 10:53:21 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100q54k$3l8cq$6@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:43, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>> There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Well shit... I guess they have to wait then.

    Then stop trying to dishonestly compare it to the negligible wait times
    than your "legal" ancestors benefited from.

    Shit changes. As far as my ancestors, some of them were legal, others could have been illegal. In either case they have NOTHING to do with the
    discussion of the current situation. As such you are trying a rather underhanded tactic of implied criminality to assert my position should
    somehow be different now because of what others did then.

    Makes me wonder what practices your ancestors engaged in which you should accept being done to people today no matter what they were.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Tue May 27 10:54:14 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:vK1YP.90241$0DKa.36771@fx14.iad...
    On 5/23/2025 6:43 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>> There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at
    authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. The waiting lists for legal entry
    can run from years to decades.

    Well shit... I guess they have to wait then.

    Or, they can sneak in, scooter

    Which should get them arrested, deported and no longer allowed to return.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 27 10:57:34 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100qq5s$9aqh$3@dont-email.me...
    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont-
    email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear the
    most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and impartial."

    Ok.. so if someone breaks the law.. should hey be held accountable under the law or should they be rewarded for their actions?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 27 11:03:10 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100vrum$1hq56$1@dont-email.me...
    On 25/5/25 6:58, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont-
    email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear >>>>>> the
    most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and
    impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.
    End of story.



    And when that provably does not happen?

    Assuming it doesn't happen, THEN you have a potential case for
    discrimination.

    Telling a company they have to hire x% of minorities and y% of women and so on.... causes discrimination against more qualified candidates who may not
    be of the 'appropriate race or gender' for the company to hit those
    benchmarks.

    It makes skin color and gender a factor in the hiring process which is
    directly contrary what it claims to be for.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 27 10:58:51 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100taf4$tigc$3@dont-email.me...
    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:uk243kprh450g9e30sp6pqlt568v5jred4@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear
    the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>>impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.


    The "E" in DEI stands for Equity.

    Which doesn't appear in the policies which encourage or even demand racial
    and gender discrimination.

    IOW, it's anything but "fair and impartial"

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 27 11:09:57 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:1011vv2$22522$5@dont-email.me...
    Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentter.@gmail.com> wrote
    in
    news:sbu83ktg31f3uneaq4ra65cgj93raq0d2f@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck ing.dwarf.com:

    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in >>>news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude
    <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys
    fear
    the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy. >>>>>>>
    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair
    and
    impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI

    ROFLMAO

    Tell us you have no idea what DEI is without saying "I have no idea
    what DEI is."

    KKKlaun hates honest corporations.

    ==============
    DEI stands for diversity, equity and inclusion. Beyond that, there is
    little agreement on what it means.

    On the one hand, DEI is a broad-brush term that refers to the policies
    and measures that organizations use to prevent discrimination, comply
    with civil rights laws and create environments more welcoming to people
    from marginalized backgrounds.

    Supporters of these diversity programs say they help companies hire and retain top talent and boost innovation and profits.

    "Talk to any CEO of a major Fortune 500 company. They'll tell you that
    their bottom line, dollar wise, does better when there's more diversity
    in the room," Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey, a former civil rights
    lawyer and a Democrat, recently told the New York Times.

    Excuse me? I thought the purpose of DEI was to obtain the best candidates..
    so how can having more diversity always result from that?

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Baxter on Tue May 27 11:07:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message news:100vssa$1hud4$5@dont-email.me...
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:100v7ln$1cvf9$2@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in >>>>news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont- email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion. Which of these do the red boys fear >>>>>> the most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>>>impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.

    That's not happening. Hiring "most qualified applicant for the
    position" is the heart of DEI

    So if I end up with a staff that is 98% whites and 89% males... what would
    be acceptable under DEI because I only hired the most qualified applicant?

    What if 53% of my work force are black? Would a white be able to claim discrimination because that is a level of manning 12 times above the average
    of blacks in the US population?

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 27 09:00:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 26/5/25 23:19, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 00:22:22 -0500, Praetor Mandrake <horchata12839@gmail.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 20:44:26 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Jerry Buchanan <some.fucking.terrell.pal@douchebags.r.us> wrote in
    news:NkoYP.54479$G6Lf.31956@fx17.iad:

    On 5/23/2025 8:40 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, and >>>>>>>>>>> inadequate wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days work and >>>>>>>>>> lying reporters complaining about problems that don't exist. >>>>>>>>>>
    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a job >>>>>>>>>> today doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and
    Unemployment benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a “poverty wage,? as its annual earnings >>>>>> potential for a single adult working full-time, year-round falls
    below the DHHS's poverty threshold of $15,650.

    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit from >>>>>> indirect forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    No, they don't. Welfare benefits to low income people *raise* the
    reservation wage. It means Walmart has to pay people *more* than they >>>>> otherwise would.

    <laughs and points>

    -
    America is the richest, most powerful, most influential, most a
    dmired nation that has ever existed in the whole of human history.

    Why can't MAGAs be satisfied with that?


    Because I don't buy that Communism is working.

    What's communism got to do with the United States?


    Because the world's fourth largest economy is communist.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue May 27 11:14:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sac.politics
    XPost: or.politics, alt.society.liberalism

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:kts43klj0lins3ij8aicq1n3d6v994roli@4ax.com...
    On Fri, 23 May 2025 21:37:53 -0000 (UTC), Bill Flitt <bill-flitt@pay-a-pal.ort> wrote:

    On 23 May 2025, Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> posted some >>news:OJ1YP.90240$0DKa.41969@fx14.iad:

    On 5/23/2025 6:46 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
    chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:oeds2khq0jhfpsns78hh4p8i40sorru77v@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 14:48:02 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:100a7ga$eft2$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:5qcf2k5nkeo4d8t9g1h7r7rqrtlqlmv76k@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Thu, 15 May 2025 13:34:00 -0400, "Scout" wrote:

    And if that candidate is not a white male?

    Why do you think their race or gender should matter?

    Are you admitting to being a racist?

    Interesting how when I propose a totally neutral standard.. you >>>>>>>>> want to drag
    race and gender into it.

    Here you go again, pretending not to be a bigot.

    It's sad to watch, really.

    Au contraire, it's hilarious watching you being hoisted on your
    own petard!

    Did I break Swill? He suddenly doesn't want to talk anymore.



    About what?

    Now Swill pretends to have no idea why while ignoring the point I
    made above.

    You didn't make a point, scooter. You never make a substantive point,
    scooter, you lying shitbag.

    Says the broken pencil.

    It's just Scout doing a Nobody impersonation.

    5:05 PM Scout Posts
    5:15 PM Scout posts a complaint that his post hasn't been answered
    yet.
    1:27 PM next day Respondant replies to Scout's first post.
    1:27 PM next day Scout looks like a idiot.

    And you still haven't answered my post.

    Posted 5/15/2025@1:34PM

    Looks like I slammed you so hard.. you no longer want to talk about your
    racism and sexism.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 27 12:32:06 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100q5np$3l8cq$9@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again.  You know well the tight quotas >>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select >>>>>> places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else.


    That can take decades.  We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.



    I'm reminded of a conversation I had on COLA with RonB awhile back on
    this topic, so I'll pose the same basic question:


    For an immigration candidate who passes all tests for suitability,
    what do you think is a fair amount of time that they should have to
    wait to immigrate?


    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking
    about anyone who is rejected:  it is specifically for those who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some immigrants
    to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter right on in.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 27 12:34:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/27/25 10:48, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100q5d6$3l8cq$7@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:42, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100o29f$3l8cq$3@dont-email.me...
    On 5/22/25 09:36, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>>> There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at >>>>>>>> authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.


    But if that were true, there wouldn't be wait times.

    And you are saying they can't/shouldn't wait because???

    No, what I'm saying is that allowing one group in instantly (e.g.
    Afrikaners) while making others wait a lifetime is gross & unjust.

    Depends on the circumstances for each group.


    And just which "circumstances" are these? They're already disallowed if they're criminals/etc.


    When I come over, I will remember that I don't have to wait for you
    to answer the door, I should just walk in.

    Nope, deliberately wrong interpretation.

    Point is that the length of the line varies by **who you are** and
    very obviously has a huge racist preference for whites over all others.

    If that were the only factor you might have a point, that you don't even realize there are other issues involved.. that just makes you sound like
    a bigot.

    And just what are these alleged "other issues involved", other than it
    being a racial bias based on country of origin? A religious bias?

    Name what that alleged bias is, and what its actual origins are which
    are something that the applicant has any personal control whatsoever.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 27 12:40:43 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/27/25 10:53, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:100q54k$3l8cq$6@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:43, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:01mv2kt23857g738glp6gorbhj6ki3nfee@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:36:10 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>>> There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at >>>>>>>> authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.

    Bullshit.  Stop lying to yourself.  The waiting lists for legal entry >>>> can run from years to decades.

    Well shit... I guess they have to wait then.

    Then stop trying to dishonestly compare it to the negligible wait
    times than your "legal" ancestors benefited from.

    Shit changes.

    It has, yet that hasn't stopped a shitload of MAGA hypocrites from
    screaming at contemporary immigrants that they should only come here
    legally "as my ancestors did".


    As far as my ancestors, some of them were legal, others
    could have been illegal.

    Since you're admitting that you can't prove them all to be legal, you
    should go back to whatever country your ancestors came from.


    In either case they have NOTHING to do with the
    discussion of the current situation.

    Which is what, specifically? You can't use the "we're full!" claim.


    As such you are trying a rather
    underhanded tactic of implied criminality to assert my position should somehow be different now because of what others did then.

    Nah, I'm now using your admission of likely criminality.

    Makes me wonder what practices your ancestors engaged in which you
    should accept being done to people today no matter what they were.

    Only offense I'm aware of was illegal grazing of sheep on someone else's
    land, circa 1550. Fortunately, the fine was paid, else the interest on
    it by now would be quite painful!


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 27 12:42:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism

    On 5/27/25 11:03, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100vrum$1hq56$1@dont-email.me...
    On 25/5/25 6:58, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-05-24, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter>
    wrote:
    [Default]  Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in
    news:100q76c$5mmp$3@dont-
    email.me:

    In news:ilmv2k9en6e0cupetmn9fnp2737mbkq380@4ax.com, Governor Swill >>>>>> <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    Diversity, equity, inclusion.  Which of these do the red boys
    fear the
    most?

    Equity. When you mandate equal outcomes, everybody becomes lazy.

    "Equity" is NOT about "equal" - it is: "the quality of being fair and >>>>> impartial."

    DEI is not about any of that.

    It's not.
    DEI is actually racism in reverse.
    In the 60's and 70's affirmative action failed and so will DEI.

    Hire the most qualified applicant for the position.
    End of story.



    And when that provably does not happen?

    Assuming it doesn't happen, THEN you have a potential case for discrimination.

    Telling a company they have to hire x% of minorities and y% of women and
    so on....

    Interesting claim ... but does it have any actual basis in fact?
    Got a cite for this "X%" quotas statement?


    -hh


    causes discrimination against more qualified candidates who
    may not be of the 'appropriate race or gender' for the company to hit
    those benchmarks.

    It makes skin color and gender a factor in the hiring process which is directly contrary what it claims to be for.



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  • From Dong@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 27 18:12:12 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 27 May 2025, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> posted some news:1014e64$2kp2f$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2025-05-26, max headroom <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
    In news:100vc3d$nugo$2@dont-email.me, -hh
    <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> typed:

    On 5/22/25 12:01, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza typed:
    On 5/22/2025 7:50 AM, Scout typed:

    Private enterprise has been shown to be consistently more
    efficient that [sic] government.

    What does "more efficient that government" mean, scooter? It
    appears I may need to add that/than to the list of scooterisms.

    Indeed you do, because the conservation of money: the only ways
    that Enterprise really can be "more efficient" is either by:

    a) providing lower employee compensation
    b) violate labor laws to increase productivity
    c) cheat workers out of pay
    d) cheat the public by not delivering
    e) violate various laws/regulations such as on workplace safety

    Anyone who's ever seen a county road crew patch pot holes knows
    that's bullshit-- three guys leaning on shovels while a fourth tamps
    the mix and a fifth moves the truck.

    And at least in NY they make certain to do a substandard job so they
    can come back in 6 months to repair it once again.
    It's job security.

    If you drove on the California 5 or 405 freeways 5 years ago, you would
    not recognize them today. 5 years ago they were smooth and straight.

    Now, thanks to Newsom, they are bumpy, have edge ridges between new
    sections and they added bends or curves on straight sections of road!

    I go there for work sometimes and I could not believe what a horrible
    mess they have made of the roads and bridges. If you cross one of the
    "new" bridges, it feels like it's ripping the wheels off the car. They
    were completely level before.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue May 27 13:40:27 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1014pe6$2ke4h$6@dont-email.me...
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100q5np$3l8cq$9@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas >>>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select >>>>>>> places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else. >>>>>>

    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.



    I'm reminded of a conversation I had on COLA with RonB awhile back on
    this topic, so I'll pose the same basic question:


    For an immigration candidate who passes all tests for suitability, what
    do you think is a fair amount of time that they should have to wait to
    immigrate?


    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking
    about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Fairness is getting in line and waiting your turn like everyone else...

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some immigrants to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter right on in.

    Well, shit, I suppose there are a lot more immigrants from some places than others and they fill up the quotas sooner.

    Welcome to Real Life ™

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Tue May 27 13:41:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message news:x5mZP.121838$G6Lf.6387@fx17.iad...
    On 5/27/2025 7:18 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100q5np$3l8cq$9@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again. You know well the tight quotas >>>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select >>>>>>> places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else. >>>>>>

    That can take decades. We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way..

    You *don't* agree with it, scooter. You're lying about that.

    Everything Rudy doesn't like is a lie according to him.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue May 27 13:45:28 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1014pj7$2ke4h$7@dont-email.me...
    On 5/27/25 10:48, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100q5d6$3l8cq$7@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:42, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100o29f$3l8cq$3@dont-email.me...
    On 5/22/25 09:36, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>>>> There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at >>>>>>>>> authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.


    But if that were true, there wouldn't be wait times.

    And you are saying they can't/shouldn't wait because???

    No, what I'm saying is that allowing one group in instantly (e.g.
    Afrikaners) while making others wait a lifetime is gross & unjust.

    Depends on the circumstances for each group.


    And just which "circumstances" are these? They're already disallowed if they're criminals/etc.

    Nature of the reason for their desire to immigrate. Their ability to care
    for themselves once they arrive. The number of people from that country attempting to immigrate. The number of immigrants we can process. The level
    of funding we have for this process. The impacts on America and Americans as
    it comes to maintaining their standard of living, available housing, jobs,
    etc. due to the influx of immigrants and type of immigrants.

    You know.. the details.. which you seem willing to utterly ignore.

    When I come over, I will remember that I don't have to wait for you to >>>> answer the door, I should just walk in.

    Nope, deliberately wrong interpretation.

    Point is that the length of the line varies by **who you are** and very
    obviously has a huge racist preference for whites over all others.

    If that were the only factor you might have a point, that you don't even
    realize there are other issues involved.. that just makes you sound like
    a bigot.

    And just what are these alleged "other issues involved", other than it
    being a racial bias based on country of origin? A religious bias?

    Well, if that's all you can think of.. then you are not properly prepared to even discuss the issue.

    Good Bye.

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  • From ron@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Tue May 27 11:47:48 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/27/2025 9:52 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/27/2025 7:15 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100q4q7$566n$2@dont- email.me...
    On 23/5/25 6:30, Scout wrote:
    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.


    Yes. Our laws were written by the finger of Eris herself on the sides
    of Mt Rushmore. It is not like we made our laws ourselves, or that we
    can change ourselves.

    And just like that

    Another scooterism.

    scooterisms:
    Rudyisms:

    "Trump!"
    "Trump!"
    "Trump!"

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  • From ron@21:1/5 to Klaus Schadenfreude on Tue May 27 11:49:22 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/27/2025 9:52 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 5/27/2025 7:18 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:



    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100q5np$3l8cq$9@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again.  You know well the tight quotas >>>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select >>>>>>> places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally.

    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else. >>>>>>

    That can take decades.  We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way..

    You *don't* agree with it, scooter. You're lying about that.



    I'm reminded of a conversation I had on COLA with RonB awhile back on
    this topic, so I'll pose the same basic question:


    For an immigration candidate who passes all tests for suitability,
    what do you think is a fair amount of time that they should have to
    wait to immigrate?


    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking
    about anyone who is rejected:  it is specifically for those who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and

    You're begging the question, scooter. *Why* are there quotas, scooter?
    And if there are going to be quotas, scooter, why are they set so low?

    It's to keep the unwanted trash out. We don't need more queers or midget tranny types like yourself for instance.

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  • From P. Coonan@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 27 19:25:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 27 May 2025, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    posted some news:1014l1d$2m981$5@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100q4q7$566n$2@dont-email.me...
    On 23/5/25 6:30, Scout wrote:
    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.


    Yes. Our laws were written by the finger of Eris herself on the sides
    of Mt Rushmore. It is not like we made our laws ourselves, or that we
    can change ourselves.

    And just like that Siri blows a gasket and wanders off into liberal delusions....

    Mushrooms I'm thinking.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 27 15:29:32 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/27/25 13:40, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1014pe6$2ke4h$6@dont-email.me...
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100q5np$3l8cq$9@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:30, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90jv2kdqusib7um864o704v7080emg2gjm@4ax.com...
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 09:19:07 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:m1cs2kdr6qsmimri0v38kfo6qk8dhhgefu@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 16:22:42 -0000 (UTC), pothead wrote:

    Enter legally and you will be welcomed.

    This is your racism talking again.  You know well the tight quotas >>>>>>>> that effectively limit immigration to only tiny numbers from select >>>>>>>> places.

    Iow, most people wanting to immigrate *can't* come here legally. >>>>>>>
    Sure they can.. they just have to 'get in line' like everyone else. >>>>>>>

    That can take decades.  We need to open the flow up some.

    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.



    I'm reminded of a conversation I had on COLA with RonB awhile back
    on this topic, so I'll pose the same basic question:


    For an immigration candidate who passes all tests for suitability,
    what do you think is a fair amount of time that they should have to
    wait to immigrate?


    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking
    about anyone who is rejected:  it is specifically for those who
    pass, asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in
    line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Fairness is getting in line and waiting your turn like everyone else...

    It certainly would be ... but that's not the system we currently have:
    the current system has multiple lines where it depends on "who you are"
    for which line you get put in. Lines from predominantly white and
    Christian nations are inexplicably short.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some
    immigrants to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter
    right on in.

    Well, shit, I suppose there are a lot more immigrants from some places
    than others and they fill up the quotas sooner.


    But why are there different lines for different origins?
    ELI5 how that is fair.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Tue May 27 15:42:23 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/27/25 13:45, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:1014pj7$2ke4h$7@dont-email.me...
    On 5/27/25 10:48, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100q5d6$3l8cq$7@dont-email.me...
    On 5/23/25 09:42, Scout wrote:


    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
    news:100o29f$3l8cq$3@dont-email.me...
    On 5/22/25 09:36, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:h8cs2k5comls52n2vv72vtcuudtsg4chqg@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:34:15 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:



    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:70iq2kd8dmnna3ag42bq7de6f785lepr7m@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 19 May 2025 08:22:15 -0400, "Scout" wrote:
    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
    <snip>
    And the only ones being weeded out were for medical reasons. >>>>>>>>>>>> There
    were no quotas or limits.

    So people were being weeded out.....

    And they could be weeded out now if they were crossing only at >>>>>>>>>> authorized entry points.

    Which by law they are required to do.

    But can't do because quotas are so tight.

    Oh, they can.. they just refuse to do so.


    But if that were true, there wouldn't be wait times.

    And you are saying they can't/shouldn't wait because???

    No, what I'm saying is that allowing one group in instantly (e.g.
    Afrikaners) while making others wait a lifetime is gross & unjust.

    Depends on the circumstances for each group.


    And just which "circumstances" are these?  They're already disallowed
    if they're criminals/etc.

    Nature of the reason for their desire to immigrate. Their ability to
    care for themselves once they arrive. The number of people from that
    country attempting to immigrate. The number of immigrants we can
    process. The level of funding we have for this process. The impacts on America and Americans as it comes to maintaining their standard of
    living, available housing, jobs, etc. due to the influx of immigrants
    and type of immigrants.

    You know.. the details.. which you seem willing to utterly ignore.

    If any of the above were true, then you could cite where each of your
    factors are documented as immigration qualifiers which make a material difference in how long one has to wait.

    Case in point:

    "Nature of the reason for their desire to immigrate": yet medical
    doctors fleeing literal government persecution are forced to wait while
    others without any particular education can merely have 'economic
    opportunity' (a friend got to the USA this way as a golf instructor).

    "Their ability to care for themselves once they arrive.": where is
    there any means test which is uniform between countries? Cite.

    "The number of people from that country attempting to immigrate.": not disputing that it is a factor, but *why* is it a factor at all?

    "he number of immigrants we can process. The level of funding we have
    for this process.": how does that determine that people from Country A
    have to have their paperwork sit for 20 years while those from Country B
    get it processed within a month? Why can't they run a FIFO workflow?

    "The impacts on America and Americans as it comes to maintaining their
    standard of living, available housing, jobs, etc.": how is that? Or
    are you suggesting that some immigrant types make for better neighbors
    than others?

    "...and type of immigrants.": where is there any test for this which is
    also uniform between countries? For example, for Medical Doctors? Cite!


    When I come over, I will remember that I don't have to wait for you
    to answer the door, I should just walk in.

    Nope, deliberately wrong interpretation.

    Point is that the length of the line varies by **who you are** and
    very obviously has a huge racist preference for whites over all others. >>>
    If that were the only factor you might have a point, that you don't
    even realize there are other issues involved.. that just makes you
    sound like a bigot.

    And just what are these alleged "other issues involved", other than it
    being a racial bias based on country of origin?  A religious bias?

    Well, if that's all you can think of.. then you are not properly
    prepared to even discuss the issue.


    Translation: you know I'm right, so you avoid answering.


    Good Bye.

    Nah, you're cutting and running.

    You're doing so because you know that the system that you're defending
    is explicitly racist and bigoted and you can't defend that without more
    openly admitting that you're a racist and a bigot.



    -hh

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  • From Baxter@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Tue May 27 20:17:42 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:1014nii$2mk9v$5@dont-email.me:

    On 26/5/25 23:19, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 00:22:22 -0500, Praetor Mandrake
    <horchata12839@gmail.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 20:44:26 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Jerry Buchanan <some.fucking.terrell.pal@douchebags.r.us> wrote in
    news:NkoYP.54479$G6Lf.31956@fx17.iad:

    On 5/23/2025 8:40 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, >>>>>>>>>>>> and inadequate wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days >>>>>>>>>>> work and lying reporters complaining about problems that >>>>>>>>>>> don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a >>>>>>>>>>> job today doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and
    Unemployment benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a “poverty wage,? as its annual
    earnings potential for a single adult working full-time,
    year-round falls below the DHHS's poverty threshold of $15,650.

    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit
    from indirect forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    No, they don't. Welfare benefits to low income people *raise* the
    reservation wage. It means Walmart has to pay people *more* than
    they otherwise would.

    <laughs and points>

    -
    America is the richest, most powerful, most influential, most a
    dmired nation that has ever existed in the whole of human history.

    Why can't MAGAs be satisfied with that?


    Because I don't buy that Communism is working.

    What's communism got to do with the United States?


    Because the world's fourth largest economy is communist.


    Neither India nor California are communist.

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  • From Beasley Brattford@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 27 23:45:53 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 27 May 2025, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> posted some news:10156l6$2q144$2@dont-email.me:

    Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in
    news:1014nii$2mk9v$5@dont-email.me:

    On 26/5/25 23:19, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 00:22:22 -0500, Praetor Mandrake
    <horchata12839@gmail.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Sat, 24 May 2025 20:44:26 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
    <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

    Jerry Buchanan <some.fucking.terrell.pal@douchebags.r.us> wrote
    in news:NkoYP.54479$G6Lf.31956@fx17.iad:

    On 5/23/2025 8:40 AM, -hh wrote:
    On 5/22/25 17:47, Skeeter OG wrote:
    In article <100o1vb$3l8cq$1@dont-email.me>,
    recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...

    On 5/22/25 09:26, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:aebs2k97b6n6l02o8p72ptts43p55l6vom@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 08:30:20 -0400, "Scout"
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

    Right.. meanwhile citizens complain of the lack of jobs, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and inadequate wages....

    Yeah, whiny layabouts who can't be bothered doing a days >>>>>>>>>>>> work and lying reporters complaining about problems that >>>>>>>>>>>> don't exist.

    With unemployment at 5% (or less), anybody unable to find a >>>>>>>>>>>> job today doesn't want one.

    Excellent.. so you're saying we can suspend Welfare and
    Unemployment benefits to everyone currently on them?

    12.5% on welfare another 4.2% on unemployment...

    That should do wonders to balance the budget.


    72% of those on welfare (SNAP) have jobs, dummy.


    -hh

    Then get better jobs.

    No, raising the Federal Minimum Wage is what's required.

    Because its officially a “poverty wage,� as its annual >>>>>>>> earnings potential for a single adult working full-time,
    year-round falls below the DHHS's poverty threshold of $15,650. >>>>>>>>
    This is an illustration of how companies like WalMart benefit
    from indirect forms of Corporate Welfare such as this.

    No, they don't. Welfare benefits to low income people *raise*
    the reservation wage. It means Walmart has to pay people *more*
    than they otherwise would.

    <laughs and points>

    -
    America is the richest, most powerful, most influential, most a
    dmired nation that has ever existed in the whole of human history.

    Why can't MAGAs be satisfied with that?


    Because I don't buy that Communism is working.

    What's communism got to do with the United States?


    Because the world's fourth largest economy is communist.


    Neither India nor California are communist.

    Hollywood is. Also Sacramento is home to the largest legislature
    of left-leaning queer fascists in the USA.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed May 28 08:33:20 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6ucd3k1grukfp7jrinska62nvf15qj7tg2@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 27 May 2025 12:32:06 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    <snip>
    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking
    about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in
    line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some immigrants
    to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter right on in.

    Exactly. Just go ahead and let half a million a year in. That's a
    trickle compared to the flood between the Civil War and the 1920s.

    That's the 'immigration period' in US history when anybody who wasn't
    sick or too old to work was let in.

    That was then, this is now, and the situation is far different.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to P. Coonan on Wed May 28 08:34:15 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "P. Coonan" <nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:XnsB2EC7E5F951FC002CE8@0.0.0.1...
    On 27 May 2025, "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
    posted some news:1014l1d$2m981$5@dont-email.me:



    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100q4q7$566n$2@dont-email.me...
    On 23/5/25 6:30, Scout wrote:
    That I could agree with, but we have to do it the right way.. not
    simply decide to ignore the law.


    Yes. Our laws were written by the finger of Eris herself on the sides
    of Mt Rushmore. It is not like we made our laws ourselves, or that we
    can change ourselves.

    And just like that Siri blows a gasket and wanders off into liberal
    delusions....

    Mushrooms I'm thinking.

    I'm thinking too much drain cleaner....

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 28 08:13:59 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 28/5/25 5:33, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6ucd3k1grukfp7jrinska62nvf15qj7tg2@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 27 May 2025 12:32:06 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    <snip>
    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not
    talking
    about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those
    who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of
    them in line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some
    immigrants
    to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter
    right on in.

    Exactly. Just go ahead and let half a million a year in.
    That's a
    trickle compared to the flood between the Civil War and the 1920s.

    That's the 'immigration period' in US history when anybody who
    wasn't
    sick or too old to work was let in.

    That was then, this is now, and the situation is far different.

    Bigots like you get listenned to.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed May 28 11:52:19 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:101797h$3a932$3@dont-email.me...
    On 28/5/25 5:33, Scout wrote:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:6ucd3k1grukfp7jrinska62nvf15qj7tg2@4ax.com...
    On Tue, 27 May 2025 12:32:06 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote
    <snip>
    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not
    talking
    about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those
    who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of
    them in line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some
    immigrants
    to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter
    right on in.

    Exactly. Just go ahead and let half a million a year in.
    That's a
    trickle compared to the flood between the Civil War and the 1920s.

    That's the 'immigration period' in US history when anybody who
    wasn't
    sick or too old to work was let in.

    That was then, this is now, and the situation is far different.

    Bigots like you get listenned to.

    I see.. so we should be able to openly carry guns in public.. including
    court houses, and places serving alcohol without anyone saying a word....

    Your ignorance doesn't make me a bigot.. it just makes you look like a fool.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 28 11:12:40 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 28/5/25 8:52, Scout wrote:
    That was then, this is now, and the situation is far different.

    Bigots like you get listenned to.

    I see.. so we should be able to openly carry guns in public..
    including court houses, and places serving alcohol without anyone
    saying a word....

    Your ignorance doesn't make me a bigot.. it just makes you look
    like a fool.

    California outlaws open carry. Conceal carry requires special
    procedures.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-999. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 4.0 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 28 06:06:07 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    In news:6ucd3k1grukfp7jrinska62nvf15qj7tg2@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Tue, 27 May 2025 12:32:06 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote

    <snip>
    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking
    about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those who pass,
    asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some immigrants
    to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter right on in.

    Exactly. Just go ahead and let half a million a year in. That's a
    trickle compared to the flood between the Civil War and the 1920s.

    That's the 'immigration period' in US history when anybody who wasn't
    sick or too old to work was let in.

    Unless they were Chinese.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Wed May 28 14:39:47 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1017jmj$3camm$1@dont-email.me...
    On 28/5/25 8:52, Scout wrote:
    That was then, this is now, and the situation is far different.

    Bigots like you get listenned to.

    I see.. so we should be able to openly carry guns in public..
    including court houses, and places serving alcohol without anyone
    saying a word....

    Your ignorance doesn't make me a bigot.. it just makes you look
    like a fool.

    California outlaws open carry. Conceal carry requires special procedures.

    So you're saying we should listen to bigots like yourself because the
    situation is the same as it's ever been and if it was legal then, it should
    be legal now.

    You set that standard.. and the moment I apply it you suddenly want to
    assert that it's "different" making you a bigot by your own standard.

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  • From Scout@21:1/5 to max headroom on Wed May 28 15:11:54 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message news:1017lq3$3cqj5$2@dont-email.me...
    In news:6ucd3k1grukfp7jrinska62nvf15qj7tg2@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Tue, 27 May 2025 12:32:06 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote

    <snip>
    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking >>>>> about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those who pass, >>>>> asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in
    line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some immigrants >>>to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter right on in.

    Exactly. Just go ahead and let half a million a year in. That's a
    trickle compared to the flood between the Civil War and the 1920s.

    That's the 'immigration period' in US history when anybody who wasn't
    sick or too old to work was let in.

    Unless they were Chinese.

    or had contagious diseases

    or were deemed likely of becoming a public charge (ie poor)

    or those convicted of crimes of moral turpitude

    or anarchists

    or the catch all of those deemed "undesirable" or who were not deemed to
    meet the requirements of the U.S. immigration system.

    IOW.. anyone the immigration agents didn't want to admit.

    In short.. much more than Swill admits too.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Scout on Wed May 28 15:28:11 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/20/25 07:50, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:100gfad$1s759$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 8:56, Scout wrote:


    "Siri Cruz" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:100fot6$1nohi$1@dont-email.me...
    On 19/5/25 5:59, Scout wrote:
    No, I'd feed him.

    That's what America should do.

    Ok, from now all you are responsible for feeding all the poor.

    ...or did you not mean what you just said?


    How long do you keep your job when your company has no one to
    sell to?

    And just like that Siri tries to change the subject.

    Apparently what America should do and what Siri should do have
    nothing in common.

    You are too stupid to understand why things like food stamps and
    social security were creted.

    I understand what they were created to do... and I also understand what
    they have become...

    The safety net has become a hammock.

    All you're admitting to is that you don't know anyone who's in need that
    you're presently personally helping.


    Indeed if you dig into how they work these days, you will see how the
    current laws actually seem designed to trap those in the system into a
    cycle of poverty and dependency.

    The 'trap' is in making them keep on having to prove their need, which
    consumes finite resources. Its more common in Southern Red States.


    Are you aware that we are now on our 3rd generation (and possibly 4th)
    that will are on and fully expect to spend their entire lives on welfare?

    Well, when you choose to only provide a weak band-aide and never
    anything proactive, it is a logical that you get what you wanted.


    At what point do we realize that what was intended at a temporary
    support aid to allow people to get back on their feet and evolved into a
    bed in which they expect to spend their entire lives?

    When you realize that you failed to follow through with more than merely temporary band-aids.


    If the system isn't designed to get people off of it by requiring them
    to again become self sufficient then what is it's purpose and long long
    do we continue bleeding the workers to support the lazy?

    Its purpose is then of shallow window dressing to make it look like
    one's politicians are doing *something* but without actually solving the
    root causes of the problem. For example, to complain about hordes of immigrants who stay here forever while waiting for their cases while
    voting in opposition of adequately funding the Immigration
    courts...because doing so maintains the political narrative they get
    reelected on.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to max headroom on Wed May 28 15:21:24 2025
    XPost: alt.education, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, or.politics
    XPost: alt.society.liberalism, sac.politics

    On 5/28/25 09:06, max headroom wrote:
    In news:6ucd3k1grukfp7jrinska62nvf15qj7tg2@4ax.com, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> typed:

    On Tue, 27 May 2025 12:32:06 -0400, -hh wrote:
    On 5/27/25 10:18, Scout wrote:
    "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote

    <snip>
    FYI, this question is deliberately phrased so that we're not talking >>>>> about anyone who is rejected: it is specifically for those who pass, >>>>> asking how long their application should take to process.

    Depends on the quotas set and the number of people ahead of them in line.

    Not at all, for this is asking a basic question on fairness.

    Th current system is clearly unfair because it requires some immigrants
    to wait literally decades whereas others can just saunter right on in.

    Exactly. Just go ahead and let half a million a year in. That's a
    trickle compared to the flood between the Civil War and the 1920s.

    That's the 'immigration period' in US history when anybody who wasn't
    sick or too old to work was let in.

    Unless they were Chinese.

    Via the Immigration Act of 1917 (Barred Zone Act), which created “barred zone” extending from the Middle East to Southeast Asia from which no
    persons were allowed to enter the USA because of the 'Yellow Threat'.

    There was also exclusion of many Europeans, particularly of Slavic and Mediterranean, including Italy & Greece because in this era they were considered to be non-whites.

    <https://andscape.com/features/white-immigrants-werent-always-considered-white-and-acceptable/>



    -hh

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