• Judge questions whether noncitizens have same free speech protections a

    From tom raley@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 8 06:56:00 2025
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    As court battles over the Trump administration's revocation of foreign
    student visas heat up, a federal judge in Boston is considering the
    question of whether those in the United States who are not citizens are protected under the same constitutional right to free speech as U.S.
    citizens.

    During a court hearing in Massachusetts preparing for a trial in a lawsuit challenging the Trump administration's student visa revocation, Judge
    William Young suggested that it is "not clear" to him that noncitizens
    have the "full rights to free speech" that citizens have, as the Trump administration attempts to use the speech of some international students
    to justify their deportations.

    "I find that that's assumed by a number of my colleagues in related cases
    that deal with free speech in the lower courts, but I'm not clear that noncitizens have, I will call them, the full rights to free speech that a citizen has," the Reagan-appointed judge said.

    "I'm hopeful we don't get to it in this case, but I don't see how that
    will work if a noncitizen has the same rights as a citizen to speak about
    these matters," the judge said, suggesting the question should be answered
    by the Supreme Court.

    In March, the American Association of University Professors, the Middle
    East Studies Association and other organizations representing academics
    and students at universities, including Harvard University, sued the Trump administration, claiming the government's recent efforts to revoke visas
    and detain and deport pro-Palestinian activists have "created a climate of repression and fear on university campuses."

    The groups have accused the Trump administration of "terrorizing students
    and faculty for their exercise of First Amendment rights," while the
    government has sought to throw out the case, dismissing the claim that the Trump administration is enforcing a policy of "ideological deportations."

    The case is expected to proceed to a trial in July.

    During Tuesday's hearing, Young stressed this is "truly a free speech
    case," explaining that both high-ranking officials, including the
    president, and their critics are protected under free speech, no matter
    how "brutal, coarse, demeaning" the speech might be.

    He also specified that he considers pro-Palestinian advocacy and criticism
    of the state of Israel, as well as antisemitism, free speech because hate speech is not prohibited under the First Amendment.

    What the court aims to find through the trial, the judge said, is whether
    the federal government committed any "retribution" against people for
    their speech to a chilling effect, which the plaintiffs claim and the government denies.

    "We're going to have to figure out what happened -- what is it that the plaintiffs say is actual retribution against speakers?" Young said.

    The judge added that he is also seeking detailed explanations from the government on its visa revocation, detention and deportation process.

    "When we get down to the level of ICE enforcement agents … I want to know
    what was going on. Why were they armed or masked or not or identified or
    not -- all of that. What was going on and why? Who set that out? Who set
    up this business with the Mahdawi in Vermont?" the judge said, referring
    to the case of Palestinian Columbia University student Mohsen Mahdawi, who
    was arrested at a citizenship interview and was recently released.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/judge-questions-noncitizens-same-free- speech-protections-us/story?id=121527141

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