• Are California Democrats actively trying to make themselves irrelevant?

    From Leroy N. Soetoro@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 02:52:17 2025
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    https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/emilyhoeven/article/california- legislature-newsom-child-trafficking-20305199.php

    Are California Democrats trying to make themselves irrelevant?

    They must be — because it’s getting increasingly difficult to come up with rational explanations for the self-sabotaging actions they’re taking in
    the state Legislature.

    After a month that saw prominent state Democratic leaders take absurd
    stances on bills to improve early childhood literacy and housing
    availability, Assembly members on Thursday argued for more than an hour
    about whether it should be a felony to purchase 16- and 17-year-olds for
    sex.

    Their ultimate conclusion: We’ll think about it — but probably not.

    Assembly Democrats overwhelmingly voted to strip AB379 by Assembly Member
    Maggy Krell, D-Sacramento, of its key provision — to toughen penalties for offenders convicted of purchasing 16- and 17-year-olds for sex to match
    the punishments for those convicted of purchasing kids 15 and younger.

    Instead, they inserted an amendment stating, “It is the intent of the Legislature to adopt the strongest laws to protect 16- and 17-year-old
    victims and strengthen protections in support of victims of human
    trafficking.” Krell’s name, along with those of nearly two dozen co-
    authors, was also wiped from the bill and replaced with two new authors: Assembly Public Safety Chair Nick Schultz, D-Burbank, and Assembly Member Stephanie Nguyen, D-Elk Grove (Sacramento County).

    The irony, of course, is that keeping Krell’s intact bill would have been
    the strongest protection for 16- and 17-year-old victims.

    Krell knows what she’s talking about: As a former prosecutor in the
    California Department of Justice, she helped bring down Backpage, one of
    the largest sex trafficking websites in the world.

    The Democrats’ refusal to back her effort forced Gov. Gavin Newsom to take
    a break from podcasting and issue a stern statement: “The law should treat
    all sex predators who solicit minors the same — as a felony, regardless of
    the intended victim’s age.”

    Why are the consequences for those who try to purchase sex from 16- or 17- year-olds different from other minors in the first place?

    Last year, state Sen. Shannon Grove, R-Bakersfield, introduced a bill to require child sex buyers to face felony charges. At the time, offenders
    faced only misdemeanor charges — a maximum of one year in jail and a
    potential $10,000 fine.

    Grove was fresh off a giant political victory over Democrats: In 2023, the Assembly Public Safety Committee killed her bill to classify human
    trafficking of minors as a “serious” felony, arguing that offenders
    already faced potentially lengthy sentences. This tone-deaf reasoning
    sparked immediate backlash and a swift intervention from Newsom and
    Assembly Speaker Robert Rivas, D-Hollister (San Benito County), and
    Grove’s bill was revived and signed into law.

    But Democrats in the Senate Public Safety Committee balked at Grove’s new
    bill, suggesting it could lead to teenagers being punished for having sex
    with each other or be weaponized against LGBT people. Over Grove’s
    objections, they amended the bill to loosen protections for 16- and 17- year-olds. Under the revised bill, which Newsom signed into law, people convicted of purchasing kids 15 and younger for sex could face either misdemeanor or felony charges on the first offense and felony charges on
    the second offense. But those protections would only apply to 16- and 17- year-olds if they could prove they were victims of human trafficking.

    This carve-out was a political compromise, but it made little logical or
    moral sense. As Krell emphasized in passionate comments Thursday, “There
    is no such thing as a child prostitute.” She noted that under federal law, “You’re automatically a victim of human trafficking if you’re under 18 and bought for sex. … Sex without consent, that’s rape. The exchange of money doesn’t change that.”

    But, once again, Democrats are contorting themselves into rhetorical
    pretzels to defend the indefensible.

    “This bill with the amendments sends a clear message to every 16- and 17- year-old who has been caught in the nightmare of human trafficking — you
    are not invisible, you are not alone, and we will fight for you,”
    proclaimed Assembly Member Mark González, D-Los Angeles.

    The amendments sent a message, all right — that purchasing a 16- or 17- year-old for sex isn’t as bad as purchasing other underage victims.

    Meanwhile, Assembly Member Marc Berman, D-Menlo Park, chastised Republican lawmakers for their “selective outrage,” noting that President Donald
    Trump sought to appoint former Rep. Matt Gaetz — who was found to have
    likely engaged in sexual activity with a 17-year-old girl — as his
    attorney general.

    Yet Berman’s argument undermined his own stance: By refusing to support
    Krell’s bill in its original form, he was effectively arguing that people
    who purchase 17-year-old prostitution victims shouldn’t face more severe penalties. His view would give the Matt Gaetz’s of the world a pass.

    Schultz, meanwhile, slammed the Assembly for “playing politics” with the
    bill. After the Assembly Public Safety Committee on Tuesday voted to pass Krell’s bill after once again carving out older teenagers, Republicans — sensing blood in the water — said they would force a floor vote on the
    issue Thursday, and Krell defied Assembly leadership by announcing she
    planned to vote with Republicans. This infuriated Rivas and Schultz, who
    said Krell had agreed to accept the committee’s revisions.

    But what the Democratic caucus sees as political insubordination, average Californians are likely to see as a righteous battle.

    “Somehow, as the president tanks our economy and deports innocent
    children, the American people still don’t trust Democrats,” said Assembly Member Jasmeet Bains, D-Bakersfield. “Any sane person knows that
    purchasing a 16- or 17-year-old for sex should be a felony, not a
    misdemeanor. This should not be a debate.”

    But even Newsom’s intervention couldn’t save Krell’s bill Thursday — 56 Assembly Democrats voted to move the bill forward with the Schultz and
    Nguyen amendments. Republicans were joined by just three Democrats in
    voting against the amendments: Krell, Bains and Assembly Member Joaquin Arambula, D-Fresno.

    Ignoring Newsom, a lame-duck governor with just one year left in his term,
    is one thing. But clinging to nonsensical arguments in defense of bad
    policy is another.

    Rather than admit they’re wrong, far too many Democrats seem perfectly
    happy to sanctimoniously dig the party’s political grave.


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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Leroy N. Soetoro on Sat May 17 22:32:05 2025
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    On 17/5/25 19:52, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:

    After a month that saw prominent state Democratic leaders take absurd
    stances on bills to improve early childhood literacy and housing availability, Assembly members on Thursday argued for more than an hour
    about whether it should be a felony to purchase 16- and 17-year-olds for
    sex.

    Tacky though it may be, 16 and 17 are having the Sex. One will
    reach 18 first. They will not stop having the Sex. Do we really
    want to imprison them for something they got away a month
    earlier? How to target the law for what we want without
    imprisonning the innocent.

    Assembly Democrats overwhelmingly voted to strip AB379 by Assembly Member Maggy Krell, D-Sacramento, of its key provision — to toughen penalties for offenders convicted of purchasing 16- and 17-year-olds for sex to match
    the punishments for those convicted of purchasing kids 15 and younger.

    It is possible to bypass the legislature with an initiative law.

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  • From max headroom@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 18 09:18:05 2025
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    In news:100brcl$rk28$3@dont-email.me, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> typed:

    On 17/5/25 19:52, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:

    After a month that saw prominent state Democratic leaders take absurd
    stances on bills to improve early childhood literacy and housing
    availability, Assembly members on Thursday argued for more than an hour
    about whether it should be a felony to purchase 16- and 17-year-olds for
    sex.

    Tacky though it may be, 16 and 17 are having the Sex. One will
    reach 18 first. They will not stop having the Sex. Do we really
    want to imprison them for something they got away a month
    earlier? How to target the law for what we want without
    imprisonning the innocent.

    Assembly Democrats overwhelmingly voted to strip AB379 by Assembly Member
    Maggy Krell, D-Sacramento, of its key provision - to toughen penalties for >> offenders convicted of purchasing 16- and 17-year-olds for sex to match
    the punishments for those convicted of purchasing kids 15 and younger.

    It is possible to bypass the legislature with an initiative law.

    Sober up and read it again.

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