• [Spam] "Spineless, gutless cowards": what true Americans say about Demo

    From CA Dems get slapped@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 24 00:23:32 2025
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    The Senate on Thursday voted to revoke three vehicle emissions waivers
    in California, a controversial move that the chamber's parliamentarian
    says Republican lawmakers may not have the right to make.

    The vote was 51-44, with Democratic Sen. Elissa Slotkin of Michigan
    joining Republicans in voting in favor of revoking the waivers.

    Ahead of the vote, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York
    Democrat, called it "the nuclear option."

    The three waivers the Senate revoked set stricter vehicle emissions
    standards than federal regulations. Two waivers relate to reducing
    tailpipe emissions from medium and heavy-duty vehicles, as well as
    limiting smog pollution from trucks.

    The last is what's frequently called California's "EV mandate," a rule
    that aims to phase-out gas powered cars and require all new vehicle
    sales in California be zero emissions by 2035. The rule to phase out gas powered vehicles goes into effect in 2026.

    California was granted the ability to enact stricter vehicle emissions standards than the federal government under the Clean Air Act in a
    process that involves receiving a waiver from the Environmental
    Protection Agency if the regulations meet certain requirements. The
    three waivers in question were approved by the Biden administration's Environmental Protection Agency in 2024.

    Republicans argue that the Congressional Review Act gives Congress the
    ability to overturn rules passed by federal agencies — including the
    waivers — by a simple majority vote, but nonpartisan government
    watchdogs do not agree. The Government Accountability Office and the
    Senate parliamentarian found that the Congressional Review Act could not
    be used to vote down California's waivers because the waivers are not
    the same as rules, according to Senate Democrats.

    Senate Majority Leader John Thune, a South Dakota Republican who
    supported revoking the waivers, said in remarks Tuesday on the Senate
    floor that "the EPA has submitted the waivers to Congress as rules —
    which is all that Congress has ever needed to decide to consider
    something under the Congressional Review Act."

    But Democrats say such a vote is illegal, and argue overruling the parliamentarian and bypassing the filibuster sets a dangerous precedent.

    "If they invoke this nuclear option now, they should expect that a
    future Democratic government will have to revisit decades worth of
    paltry corporate settlements, deferred prosecution agreements, and tax
    rulings that were overly favorable to multinationals and ultra-wealthy individuals," said Senate Finance Committee ranking member Ron Wyden, an
    Oregon Democrat, in a statement.

    The California Air Resources Board, a state body that designed the
    vehicle emissions regulations and requested the waivers, measures and
    sets pollution standards in California to comply with the Clean Air Act.
    It claims that the state has applied for over 100 waivers that have
    resulted in vehicles being 99% cleaner in terms of pollution, compared
    to vehicles from 1970. The board says they have never had a waiver
    revoked in the 50 years it has had the ability to enact them.

    "The law is that the Clean Air Act says California can set its own
    standards if they are more stringent, more environmentally protective
    than whatever the federal government standard is," said Mary Nichols,
    who was the California Air Resources Board chairwoman from 1975-1982 and
    then from 2007-2020. Nichols told CBS News that if Congress uses
    Congressional Review Act to revoke the waivers, the state of California
    will sue the federal government.

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom and state Attorney General Rob Bonta
    announced Thursday that they would sue the Trump administration over the
    vote.

    "This Senate vote is illegal," Newsom said. "Republicans went around
    their own parliamentarian to defy decades of precedent. We won't stand
    by as Trump Republicans make America smoggy again — undoing work that
    goes back to the days of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan — all while
    ceding our economic future to China. We're going to fight this
    unconstitutional attack on California in court."

    Voting down California's waivers is expected to impact cities and states
    across the country, as 16 additional states and the District of Columbia
    have adopted California's vehicle standards.

    Republicans have staunchly criticized California's emissions rules,
    especially the one aimed at driving the auto industry toward electric
    vehicles.

    Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, a West Virginia Republican who chairs the
    Senate Environmental and Public Works Committee, said this week that the
    rules amount to "forcing certain states and certain consumers to
    purchase a vehicle that they may not want or that they can't find."

    The auto industry has been pushing for Republicans to revoke
    California's waivers. The Specialty Equipment Market Association
    represents the automotive aftermarket industry, where a third of its
    businesses are dependent on internal combustion engines and see the
    waivers and expansion of electric vehicles as a threat to business.

    "The death of California's waiver will give life to more than 330,000
    American jobs and preserves over $100 billion of economic impact to the nation's economy," the association said in a statement.

    But environmental groups are alarmed by the unprecedented use of the Congressional Review Act to revoke the waivers. The Environmental
    Defense Fund said in a statement that a vote by Congress would undermine California's ability to address pollution.

    "Using the CRA on EPA's preemption waivers could create a precedent for sweeping congressional nullifications of other executive actions that
    are outside the scope of the CRA — from decisions about Americans' eligibility for Social Security, to waivers for state Medicaid or
    veterans' health benefits, to actions related to energy infrastructure projects," the group said.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-gop-set-to-revoke-californias-car-emi ssions-standards-nuclear-option/

    Letting millions of illegal aliens into the country is illegal, yet
    Democrats did it anyway. The Senate has spoken.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to CA Dems get slapped on Fri May 23 18:48:17 2025
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    On 23/5/25 15:23, CA Dems get slapped wrote:
    The Senate on Thursday voted to revoke three vehicle emissions waivers
    in California, a controversial move that the chamber's parliamentarian
    says Republican lawmakers may not have the right to make.

    Republicans want to kill the children of Republicans.

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  • From don@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Sat May 24 10:43:36 2025
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    On 5/23/2025 6:48 PM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 23/5/25 15:23, CA Dems get slapped wrote:
    The Senate on Thursday voted to revoke three vehicle emissions waivers
    in California, a controversial move that the chamber's parliamentarian
    says Republican lawmakers may not have the right to make.

    Republicans want to kill the children of Republicans.

    Getting a bit off the beam aren't you?

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to don on Sat May 24 14:13:06 2025
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    On 24/5/25 10:43, don wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 6:48 PM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 23/5/25 15:23, CA Dems get slapped wrote:
    The Senate on Thursday voted to revoke three vehicle emissions
    waivers
    in California, a controversial move that the chamber's
    parliamentarian
    says Republican lawmakers may not have the right to make.

    Republicans want to kill the children of Republicans.

    Getting a bit off the beam aren't you?


    The worse air pollution in the state includes the San Joaquin
    Valley where the Republicans and their children live.

    <https://www.communitymedical.org/specialties-and-departments/pediatrics/pediatric-asthma>

    Asthma is a chronic lung disease that causes the airways in your
    child's lungs to narrow, making it difficult for them to breathe.
    One in six children in the San Joaquin Valley has asthma — the
    highest level in California. There's no cure for asthma, but
    there are ways to manage it.

    CARB is making the air healthier for everyone, Democrats and
    Republicans alike. You think poisoning everyone, Democrats and
    Republicans alike, is some kind of win.

    California has had dirty air for hundreds, thousands, or millions
    of years.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Sat May 24 17:23:35 2025
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    Siri Cruz wrote:
    California has had dirty air for hundreds, thousands, or millions of years.


    The whole state is a sewer.

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  • From Orange Trees@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 24 22:37:20 2025
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    On 24 May 2025, Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> posted some news:100tcov$u3db$3@dont-email.me:

    On 24/5/25 10:43, don wrote:
    On 5/23/2025 6:48 PM, Siri Cruz wrote:
    On 23/5/25 15:23, CA Dems get slapped wrote:
    The Senate on Thursday voted to revoke three vehicle emissions
    waivers
    in California, a controversial move that the chamber's
    parliamentarian
    says Republican lawmakers may not have the right to make.

    Republicans want to kill the children of Republicans.

    Getting a bit off the beam aren't you?


    The worse air pollution in the state includes the San Joaquin
    Valley where the Republicans and their children live.

    <https://www.communitymedical.org/specialties-and-departments/pediatrics >/pediatric-asthma>

    Asthma is a chronic lung disease that causes the airways in your
    child's lungs to narrow, making it difficult for them to breathe.
    One in six children in the San Joaquin Valley has asthma â€" the
    highest level in California. There's no cure for asthma, but
    there are ways to manage it.

    SacBee and ALA are not wholly in agreement with your reference.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article305082276.html

    Voting is not in agreement with your political assessment.

    https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-stockton-ca/ https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-altadena-ca/

    CARB is making the air healthier for everyone, Democrats and
    Republicans alike. You think poisoning everyone, Democrats and
    Republicans alike, is some kind of win.

    Not really. They're just reducing the pollution that winds up in
    AZ and NV. The smog hangs up between the cooler ocean air and
    the mountains in the CA deserts and valleys until the wind moves it.

    If you're in a helicopter or plane you can absolutely see the
    pollution layer edges that just sit there and slowly ebb over the
    mountains or through lower passes. It even spreads over the ocean.

    California has had dirty air for hundreds, thousands, or millions
    of years.

    Yes it has and no amount of electric vehicles of any type will ever
    change that. It's a zero win issue just like the flu.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Orange Trees on Sat May 24 19:31:10 2025
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    On 24/5/25 15:37, Orange Trees wrote:
    Not really. They're just reducing the pollution that winds up in
    AZ and NV. The smog hangs up between the cooler ocean air and
    the mountains in the CA deserts and valleys until the wind moves it.

    CARB does not help. It is just less smog than the 1960s.

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