My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it
to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a
simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
The pretty backgrounds are just distracting, so I chose plain grey and re-sized the icons to a sensible 48 X 48 pixels. I hate the Dock with a vengeance, so I 'disappeared' it and set up a permanently-open folder
called "Launcher" with aliases to the various applications -- laid out
in the order I want them and never moving! When are they going to bring
back 'Windowshade"?
Safari was the only browser on the machine, for some reason I can't get
on with that so I downloaded Firefox and now feel a lot more 'at home'.
I am in the process of populating the Bookmarks menu with my usual
suspects and trying to find the passwords for some of them.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find
a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the
other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 10 May 2024 at 09:21:34 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and
apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it >>> to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a
simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
The pretty backgrounds are just distracting, so I chose plain grey and
re-sized the icons to a sensible 48 X 48 pixels. I hate the Dock with a >>> vengeance, so I 'disappeared' it and set up a permanently-open folder
called "Launcher" with aliases to the various applications -- laid out
in the order I want them and never moving! When are they going to bring >>> back 'Windowshade"?
Safari was the only browser on the machine, for some reason I can't get
on with that so I downloaded Firefox and now feel a lot more 'at home'.
I am in the process of populating the Bookmarks menu with my usual
suspects and trying to find the passwords for some of them.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is
working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find >>> a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the
other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
It used to be possible to do this in Preferences.
<https://www.guidingtech.com/reverse-scrolling-direction-on-mac/>
Preferences doesn't have that option in Catalina but that website offers
an app. that does the trick. Ironically it is called "Unnatural Scroll Wheels".
On 10 May 2024 at 09:21:34 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it
to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
The pretty backgrounds are just distracting, so I chose plain grey and re-sized the icons to a sensible 48 X 48 pixels. I hate the Dock with a vengeance, so I 'disappeared' it and set up a permanently-open folder called "Launcher" with aliases to the various applications -- laid out
in the order I want them and never moving! When are they going to bring back 'Windowshade"?
Safari was the only browser on the machine, for some reason I can't get
on with that so I downloaded Firefox and now feel a lot more 'at home'.
I am in the process of populating the Bookmarks menu with my usual
suspects and trying to find the passwords for some of them.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find
a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
It used to be possible to do this in Preferences.
<https://www.guidingtech.com/reverse-scrolling-direction-on-mac/>
On 10 May 2024 at 10:22:20 AM BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
On 10 May 2024 at 09:21:34 BST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and >>> apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it >>> to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a >>> simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
The pretty backgrounds are just distracting, so I chose plain grey and >>> re-sized the icons to a sensible 48 X 48 pixels. I hate the Dock with a >>> vengeance, so I 'disappeared' it and set up a permanently-open folder
called "Launcher" with aliases to the various applications -- laid out >>> in the order I want them and never moving! When are they going to bring >>> back 'Windowshade"?
Safari was the only browser on the machine, for some reason I can't get >>> on with that so I downloaded Firefox and now feel a lot more 'at home'. >>> I am in the process of populating the Bookmarks menu with my usual
suspects and trying to find the passwords for some of them.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is >>> working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find >>> a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the >>> other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
It used to be possible to do this in Preferences.
<https://www.guidingtech.com/reverse-scrolling-direction-on-mac/>
Preferences doesn't have that option in Catalina but that website offers
an app. that does the trick. Ironically it is called "Unnatural Scroll Wheels".
This:
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh29222/10.15/mac/10.15
seems to suggest that it should be possible, though it specifies "A
wireless mouse must be connected with your Mac — or a four-button mouse must be plugged into your Mac — to display the preferences listed
below."
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it
to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
It will drive two 2560x1600 displays side by side,
if you begin to feel hemmed in.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find
a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
My mouse control panel has a 'scroll direction natural' check box.
Yours should have it too,
Preferences doesn't have that option in Catalina but that website offers
an app. that does the trick. Ironically it is called "Unnatural Scroll Wheels".
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it
to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a
simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find
a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the
other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and
apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it >>> to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a
simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
It will drive two 2560x1600 displays side by side,
if you begin to feel hemmed in.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is
working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find >>> a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the
other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
My mouse control panel has a 'scroll direction natural' check box.
Yours should have it too,
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at
the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and
apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it >>> to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a
simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
It will drive two 2560x1600 displays side by side,
if you begin to feel hemmed in.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is
working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find >>> a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the
other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
My mouse control panel has a 'scroll direction natural' check box.
Yours should have it too,
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at
the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
On 10/05/2024 12:21, Graham J wrote:
Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[snip]
Preferences doesn't have that option in Catalina but that website offers >> an app. that does the trick. Ironically it is called "Unnatural Scroll >> Wheels".
I think Apple's scroll sense is opposite to everybody else's.
Same with scroll bars alongside windows. Are you moving the text up the window, or the window down over the text? There's no logically correct direction ...
It depend what it is you want to move with the mouse. The page or the scrollbar?
Apple's "natural" mode is where you move the page either up or down with
the mouse/trackpad. This feels "correct" to me.
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at
the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
On 10 May 2024 at 13:52:24 CEST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at
the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
*Nothing* about any of this is natural.
I have to say though, I am delighted that there is still someone who has the energy to keep trying to hold back both tide and time on behalf of all of us... using Apple Macintoshes as their lever, that part was unexpected.
On 10 May 2024 at 13:52:24 CEST, "Liz Tuddenham" <Liz Tuddenham> wrote:
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at
the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
*Nothing* about any of this is natural.
I have to say though, I am delighted that there is still someone who has the energy to keep trying to hold back both tide and time on behalf of all of us... using Apple Macintoshes as their lever, that part was unexpected.
In the week that Apple put out an advertisement for a "creative" product that showed musical instruments, sculptures, artist's paints, games, toys, tools, books, records, cameras, all being crushed by a gigantic hydraulic press - it seems about right.
I'm perfectly happy for folks to have different views on this one - there is a
setting for one to use. There is I agree a tendency to add more and more rubbish to macOS.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was, even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
It will drive two 2560x1600 displays side by side,
if you begin to feel hemmed in.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
My mouse control panel has a 'scroll direction natural' check box.
Yours should have it too,
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at
the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
On 11.05.24 21:13, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Apple caused quite a culture clash with it, at the time.
People had been using scroll bars all the time.
Apple wanted to get rid of those, and with goood reason.
After all, who needs a scroll bar to begin with? [1]
*Me*.
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and >>>> apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was,
even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it >>>> to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a >>>> simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
It will drive two 2560x1600 displays side by side,
if you begin to feel hemmed in.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is >>>> working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find >>>> a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the >>>> other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
My mouse control panel has a 'scroll direction natural' check box.
Yours should have it too,
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at
the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
Apple caused quite a culture clash with it, at the time.
People had been using scroll bars all the time.
Apple wanted to get rid of those, and with goood reason.
After all, who needs a scroll bar to begin with? [1]
Doing it the natural way seemed quite unnatural for a while,
and it took some time to get used to.
But once used to it, it is indeed natural,
On 10 May 2024 at 21:41:34 BST, D.M. Procida wrote:
In the week that Apple put out an advertisement for a "creative" product that
showed musical instruments, sculptures, artist's paints, games, toys, tools, >> books, records, cameras, all being crushed by a gigantic hydraulic press - it
seems about right.
I think a generous interpretation could be 'all that's creative - compressed into an ipad'. But even then, it's a pretty lame metaphor.
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
All small dialogue boxes, with a message, and
go/nogo/cancel buttons, used to be landscape, which reflects the orientation of most peoples' screens. So what benefit was there to suddenly squish them sideways to make them portrait?
On 11.05.24 21:13, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
My secondhand (late 2012) Mac Mini has arrived, in original packing and >>>> apparently unblemished. My immediate impression was how tiny it was, >>>> even the generous packing box looked ridiculously small. I connected it >>>> to my 20" Cinema Display and pressed the start button -- and it all
worked. The resolution is good enough for anything I shall want, so a >>>> simple adaptor is quite adequate. it is currently running Catelina.
It will drive two 2560x1600 displays side by side,
if you begin to feel hemmed in.
The biggest surprise of all was that the scroll button on the mouse is >>>> working backwards; when I scroll up, it goes down. I can't seem to find >>>> a way of correcting this and turning the mouse around reverses all the >>>> other functions (and the tail gets in the way). Any ideas?
My mouse control panel has a 'scroll direction natural' check box.
Yours should have it too,
You're right, it has! I searched all over and didn't spot that right at >> the top in the most obvious place. Ticking it produces unnatural
scrolling but cancelling it reverts to natural -- That's not natural.
Apple caused quite a culture clash with it, at the time.
People had been using scroll bars all the time.
Apple wanted to get rid of those, and with goood reason.
After all, who needs a scroll bar to begin with? [1]
*Me*.
Doing it the natural way seemed quite unnatural for a while,
and it took some time to get used to.
It is lacking any logic.
But once used to it, it is indeed natural,
Perhaps for you.
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different audiences.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and
scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past
your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Until recently everything worked that way and it is tha natural way. I don't know why anyone was allowed to change it and, worse, justify the
change by calling it "natural" when it is the exact opposite of
everything that is natural to people.
Whatever happened to H.I.G. ? (...and how many programmers will say
"What's H.I.G. ?")
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different
audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and
scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past
your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'.
Until recently everything worked that way and it is tha natural way. I
don't know why anyone was allowed to change it and, worse, justify the
change by calling it "natural" when it is the exact opposite of
everything that is natural to people.
Because it is the natural thing to do, when you have trackpads, or touch screens, or scrolling rodentia.
On 13 May 2024 at 12:16:20 BST, "Alan B" <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid>
wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different
audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on
“Silicon” Macs, such as NewsTap which I’m using right now to post this >> follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the
Apple OS’s is taking place.
Well, if I'm not dead by then, I'll prolly move to Linux, even though today its UI is still rubbish compared to macOS.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different
audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on “Silicon” Macs, such as NewsTap which I’m using right now to post this follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the Apple OS’s is taking place.
Oddly enough, no book ever had its battery run out.
What's the point of an iPad. ...
Car manufacturers also all seem to be obsessed with allowing you t set the cabin temperature, instead of teh temperature of the hot/cold air stream you are receiving from the heating system. Hopeless.
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and
scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past
your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'.
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
So instead of looking at the road, and
moving a lever on the dash, you're fiddling through layers of UI and then tapping the screen with no tactile feedback allowing you to know what you are doing without looking.
Car manufacturers also all seem to be obsessed with allowing you t set the cabin temperature, instead of the temperature of the hot/cold air stream you are receiving from the heating system. Hopeless.
TimS wrote:
Car manufacturers also all seem to be obsessed with allowing you to set the >> cabin temperature, instead of the temperature of the hot/cold air stream you >> are receiving from the heating system. Hopeless.
No, the intention is to have the temperature controlled by a closed-loop feedback system with electrically operated actuators to move different
air vents and adjust the Aircon coolant pump flow. On my Skoda Octavia
it all works as expected - probably the best I've experienced.
Well, if I'm not dead by then, I'll prolly move to Linux, even though today its UI is still rubbish compared to macOS.
On 13.05.24 13:01, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and
scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past
your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'.
Idiot, Mr. Wisenheimer.
On 13 May 2024 at 12:01:27 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and
scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past
your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'.
Not old fashioned at all. We have a daily newspaper delivered (The Times) and we have hundreds of books. Oddly enough, no book ever had its battery run out.
[snip rantings]Until recently everything worked that way and it is tha natural way. I >> don't know why anyone was allowed to change it and, worse, justify the
change by calling it "natural" when it is the exact opposite of
everything that is natural to people.
Because it is the natural thing to do, when you have trackpads, or touch screens, or scrolling rodentia.
What's the point of an iPad.
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
[...]
Oddly enough, no book ever had its battery run out.
...or became unreadable in sunlight.
...or stopped working away from a wireless signal.
...or shattered when dropped onto a hard floor.
...or needed constant updating or subscriptions.
What's the point of an iPad. ...
That's a question I was going to ask but decided I had already asked
too many questions in too short a time..
Car manufacturers also all seem to be obsessed with allowing you t set the cabin temperature, instead of teh temperature of the hot/cold air stream you
are receiving from the heating system. Hopeless.
I had a Standard Vanguard estate, there were two slider controls for the heating and ventilating system and they gave every combination that I
ever needed - and I could tell by feel what they were set to. I later
had a Volvo estate, there were nine heater contols and no combination of
them gave even remotely acceptable results.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different
audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on "Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the Apple OS's is taking place.
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 12:01:27 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way.
It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and
scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past >>>> your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'.
Not old fashioned at all. We have a daily newspaper delivered (The Times) and
we have hundreds of books. Oddly enough, no book ever had its battery run out.
Savings on not buying dead trees pay for the iPad.
[snip rantings]Until recently everything worked that way and it is tha natural way. I >>>> don't know why anyone was allowed to change it and, worse, justify the >>>> change by calling it "natural" when it is the exact opposite of
everything that is natural to people.
Because it is the natural thing to do, when you have trackpads, or touch >>> screens, or scrolling rodentia.
What's the point of an iPad.
Why bother with all this?
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different
audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on
"Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this
follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the
Apple OS's is taking place.
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
???
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different
audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on
"Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this
follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the
Apple OS's is taking place.
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
On 14.05.24 08:14, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store! >> If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I’m not a developer but maybe the >> author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup >> the user-agent header appropriately?
BTW I’m posting this from NewsTap on my iPhone to save anyone the bother of
looking at the message headers!
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch)
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store!
If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I’m not a developer but maybe the author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup the user-agent header appropriately?
BTW I’m posting this from NewsTap on my iPhone to save anyone the bother of looking at the message headers!
Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
On 14.05.24 08:14, Alan B wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store! >>> If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I’m not a developer but maybe the >>> author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup >>> the user-agent header appropriately?
BTW I’m posting this from NewsTap on my iPhone to save anyone the bother of
looking at the message headers!
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch)
I owned an iPod Touch many years ago but it’s been discontinued for a couple of years now according to Wikipedia. Is the iPad Mini about to go
the same way (as previously discussed)?
On 13 May 2024 at 20:36:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 12:01:27 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them.
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way. >>>>> It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and >>>> scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past >>>> your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'.
Not old fashioned at all. We have a daily newspaper delivered (The
Times) and we have hundreds of books. Oddly enough, no book ever had
its battery run out.
Savings on not buying dead trees pay for the iPad.
The convenience outweighs all that.
[snip rantings]Until recently everything worked that way and it is tha natural way. I >>>> don't know why anyone was allowed to change it and, worse, justify the >>>> change by calling it "natural" when it is the exact opposite of
everything that is natural to people.
Because it is the natural thing to do, when you have trackpads, or touch >>> screens, or scrolling rodentia.
What's the point of an iPad.
Why bother with all this?
Why bother with "Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'", then?
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 20:36:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 12:01:27 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
[...]
Max Planck already said that new ideas don't triumph
by making opponents see the light.
They triumph because the oldsters die out,
and their places are taken by youngsters
who have grown up with the new ideas, which are natural to them. >>>>>>>
But to all: it really is better to start doing it the natural way. >>>>>>> It will be awkward, the first few weeks,
but it really is natural, once you have gotten used to it,
The natural way is to hold the text (book, newspaper) stationary and >>>>>> scan it with your eyes, not stare fixedly ahead and move the text past >>>>>> your vision. It is your eyes that move, not the text.
Don't use such old-fashioned words, like 'book' or 'newspaper'.
Not old fashioned at all. We have a daily newspaper delivered (The
Times) and we have hundreds of books. Oddly enough, no book ever had
its battery run out.
Savings on not buying dead trees pay for the iPad.
The convenience outweighs all that.
Strange. I have an iPad for the convenience in the first place,
and savings on dead trees in the second place.
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different >>>> audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on >> "Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this
follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the >> Apple OS's is taking place.
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store!
If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I'm not a developer but maybe the author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup the user-agent header appropriately?
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different >>>>>> audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on >>>> "Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this >>>> follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the >>>> Apple OS's is taking place.
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store! >> If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I'm not a developer but maybe the
author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup >> the user-agent header appropriately?
Alas, I'm on Sierra, happily running MacSoup,
the best text-only newsclient ever,
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was >>>>>>>>> in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different >>>>>> audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on >>>> "Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this >>>> follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the
Apple OS's is taking place.
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store! >> If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I'm not a developer but maybe the >> author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup
the user-agent header appropriately?
Alas, I'm on Sierra, happily running MacSoup,
the best text-only newsclient ever,
Yes it's a pity MacSOUP was discontinued but sadly all good things have to come to an end sometime :-(
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was
in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different >>>>>> audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on >>>> "Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this >>>> follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the >>>> Apple OS's is taking place.
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store! >> If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I'm not a developer but maybe the
author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup >> the user-agent header appropriately?
Alas, I'm on Sierra, happily running MacSoup,
the best text-only newsclient ever,
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Alas, I'm on Sierra, happily running MacSoup,
the best text-only newsclient ever,
Yes it's a pity MacSOUP was discontinued but sadly
all good things have to come to an end sometime :-(
I'm totally wedded to MacSOUP; it's the main reason I keep
a legacy High Sierra m/c.
On 14 May 2024 at 19:27:44 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Alas, I'm on Sierra, happily running MacSoup,
the best text-only newsclient ever,
You really shouldn't use such old-fashioned words as "text-only".
On 14 May 2024 at 19:27:44 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 11 May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>>>>
[1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was >>>>>>>>> in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS.
It's not so much evil as stupid.
Trying for one OS for all systems doesn't seem stupid to me.
These are different devices with different requirements and different >>>>>> audiences.
But Apple is recognising that these are growing together.
Many iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand,
so in landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact)
Many people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook,
or they are using both interchangeably,
And, of course, several iOS and iPadOS apps are now configured to run on >>>> "Silicon" Macs, such as NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this >>>> follow-up on my M1 MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the
Apple OS's is taking place.
But your header line still says:
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App Store! >> If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I'm not a developer but maybe the >> author could amend the logic to extract the operating system info and setup
the user-agent header appropriately?
Alas, I'm on Sierra, happily running MacSoup,
the best text-only newsclient ever,
You really shouldn't use such old-fashioned words as "text-only".
TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote:
On 14 May 2024 at 19:27:44 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote:
Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: > Alan B >><alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote: > >> J. J. Lodder >><nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote: >>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>> On 13 May 2024 at 10:08:49 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> >>wrote: >>>> >>>>> TimS <tim@streater.me.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 11 >>May 2024 at 20:13:33 BST, "J. J. Lodder" <J. J. Lodder> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] Lots of grublings at the time about how evil Apple was >>>>>>>>> in their attemps to integrate OSX and iOS. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's >>not so much evil as stupid. >>>>> >>>>> Trying for one OS for all >>systems doesn't seem stupid to me. >>>> >>>> These are different >>devices with different requirements and different >>>> audiences. >>> >>>>> But Apple is recognising that these are growing together. >>> Many >>iPads are nowadays used with a keyboard, on a stand, >>> so in >>landscape mode. (and the camera has adapted to the fact) >>> >>> Many >>people nowadays have an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook, >>> or they are >>using both interchangeably, >> >> And, of course, several iOS and >>iPadOS apps are now configured to run on >> "Silicon" Macs, such as >>NewsTap which I'm using right now to post this >> follow-up on my M1 >>MBP. So, whether we like it or not, convergence of the >> Apple OS's
is taking place. > > But your header line still says: > User-Agent: >>NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
Well of course it does - it was installed from the iOS / iPadOS App
Store! If you have a M* Mac, try it yourself. I'm not a developer
but maybe the author could amend the logic to extract the operating
system info and setup the user-agent header appropriately?
Alas, I'm on Sierra, happily running MacSoup, the best text-only newsclient ever,
You really shouldn't use such old-fashioned words as "text-only".
I refuse to admit to being non-binary,
Real life is analogue, only artificial classification is binary.
On 15 May 2024, Liz Tuddenham wrote
(in article<1qtleo4.5rp788fobuv4N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>):
Real life is analogue, only artificial classification is binary.
Is that not an artificial classification?
Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 15 May 2024, Liz Tuddenham wrote
(in article<1qtleo4.5rp788fobuv4N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>):
Real life is analogue, only artificial classification is binary.
Is that not an artificial classification?
Well ...yes, ....but it was invented by the binary brigade.
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