On 16/09/2024 in message <lkqfjlFnp8nU1@mid.individual.net> No mail wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on a >long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or >something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going for
a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts appreciated
... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

I posed the same question recently, can't remember if it was in here or
the PC home built group. No definitive conclusion, you need to look at the specs of each in terms of resolution, refresh rates, inputs, speakers etc.
and decide on that.

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On 16 Sep 2024 at 10:29:10, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on
a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going
for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts
appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

Monitors don't have a remote control or co-ax input.

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My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on
a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or
something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going
for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts
appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

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On 9/16/24 11:29, No mail wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on
a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going
for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts
appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

I bought a new 55 inch TCL TV a couple of weeks ago, £300, I only use it
as a monitor via HDMI, although as well as standard PC stuff I do watch
Video on it via the PC.

It works great, 4K, although I have to enlarge everything to 150%, for
eye comfort.

I would have preferred a monitor, but I don't think there is much demand
for monitors above 32 inch. So it comes down to cost.

The down side of the TV is that it takes a lot of time to start, due to
its unused smart capability.

Energy saving was amazing. The old 50 inch TV used 160 watts the new one
only uses 44 watts. The new one is also much lighter.

A DIY downside was that they moved the VESA mounting point to the bottom
half of the back face rather than having it in the middle, so I had to
move my wall bracket.

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No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on
a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going
for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts
appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

Monitors
- lots of ports
- Displayport
- sometimes VGA
- often USB hub / USB-C input / power delivery to charge laptops
- wide range of DPI / native resolutions
- colour calibration for printing, photo editing etc
- OSD for controls via buttons
- high refresh rate versions (120/144/240Hz, G-sync/Freesync)
- often wide viewing angles (eg IPS)
- designed to be viewed from slightly above or below or (less often)
side-to-side
- expensive

TVs
- cheap
- may be cheaper panels (VA not IPS)
- viewing angles may consider side-to-side but not up-and-down
- typically 1080p or 4K, nothing in between
- smart stuff that you have to ignore / can't turn off
- some smart TVs will pester that you haven't configured the internet
yet (heard stories but not sure how common this is)
- desperate to scrape your viewing habits to sell to ad networks
- 'helpful' 'improvement' modes ('football mode') that mangle your picture
and may be annoying/difficult to turn off
- HDMI but no Displayport
- sometimes analogue SCART/composite inputs, less commonly VGA
- colour accuracy may not be good
- HDMI compression (4:2:2 or 4:2:0 can reduce chroma resolution over 4:4:4)
can muddy fine details in the picture, eg coloured text in editors
- can lag, especially if the pixel processing is done on the cheap
- remote control, maybe no body buttons at all
- ~60Hz max, possible bandwidth limitations on some modes/inputs (eg you get 4K 30Hz not 4K 60Hz)
- come in large but not so many in small sizes
- small sizes are often compromised (eg "kids' bedroom TV" sold for cheap)

(some of my experience is a few years old, it's possible newer TVs are less compromised than those last time I was in this market)

Theo

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On 16/09/2024 11:42, Bob Martin wrote:

On 16 Sep 2024 at 10:29:10, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on
a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or
something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going
for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts
appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

Monitors don't have a remote control or co-ax input.

Well that's not strictly true.

I bought a big one intended for walls of waiting rooms etc, and it does
have a remote..

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that sound good.

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On 16/09/2024 12:24, Pancho wrote:

The old 50 inch TV used 160 watts the new one only uses 44 watts.

TCL you say? It would probably only use 32W if it was continually
reporting everything you do to the CCP.

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On 9/16/24 17:53, mm0fmf wrote:

On 16/09/2024 12:24, Pancho wrote:

The old 50 inch TV used 160 watts the new one only uses 44 watts.

TCL you say? It would probably only use 32W if it was continually
reporting everything you do to the CCP.

That is a strange remark.

AIUI, it is the owner of Telegram who is currently in jail for not
spying on behalf of western governments. Presumably the other western
companies avoid trouble by reporting on us to our governments. TCL
reporting on me to China is a much lesser concern. China has much less
power over me than the UK or US government.

I also don't see what route a TCL TV that is used as a monitor has to
transmit data. Perhaps you think it can hijack my PC's internet link via
the HDMI connection?

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On Mon, 9/16/2024 5:38 PM, Pancho wrote:

On 9/16/24 17:53, mm0fmf wrote:

On 16/09/2024 12:24, Pancho wrote:

The old 50 inch TV used 160 watts the new one only uses 44 watts.

TCL you say? It would probably only use 32W if it was continually reporting everything you do to the CCP.

That is a strange remark.

AIUI, it is the owner of Telegram who is currently in jail for not spying on behalf of western governments. Presumably the other western companies avoid trouble by reporting on us to our governments. TCL reporting on me to China is a much lesser

concern. China has much less power over me than the UK or US government.

I also don't see what route a TCL TV that is used as a monitor has to transmit data. Perhaps you think it can hijack my PC's internet link via the HDMI connection?

There are a few big devices kicking around.

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-86-4k-interactive-touch-monitor-p8624qt/apd/210-bjkg/monitors-monitor-accessories

https://www.samsung.com/ca/business/smart-signage/uhd-4k-signage/professional-display-qet-series-lh85qetelgcxgo/

I would want to review them in person, to see whether the lighting is
uniform. If they were edge-lit, that would be quite a feat of optics,
to spread the light over the entire surface, with no duff spots.

There was a report a few weeks back, noting that some smaller
displays, something was melting around the area where the edge
lighting is, and that's one reason the properties of some of
these displays, change after they're about six months old. There
is distortion happening inside the thing, and it is caused by
the heat.

Paul

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:24:20 +0100, Pancho wrote:

On 9/16/24 11:29, No mail wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it
on a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I
think it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting
difficulties. It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the
HDMI input, so I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a
"monitor", or something that's called a TV. I can't identify any
downside with going for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ...
all thoughts appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for
monitors TVs.

I bought a new 55 inch TCL TV a couple of weeks ago, £300, I only use it
as a monitor via HDMI, although as well as standard PC stuff I do watch
Video on it via the PC.

It works great, 4K, although I have to enlarge everything to 150%, for
eye comfort.

I would have preferred a monitor, but I don't think there is much demand
for monitors above 32 inch. So it comes down to cost.

The down side of the TV is that it takes a lot of time to start, due to
its unused smart capability.

Energy saving was amazing. The old 50 inch TV used 160 watts the new one
only uses 44 watts. The new one is also much lighter.

A DIY downside was that they moved the VESA mounting point to the bottom
half of the back face rather than having it in the middle, so I had to
move my wall bracket.

I have similar, as you, I only run it from an HDMI input from a computer.
It works well, it also starts up quickly from standby.

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On 17/09/2024 04:00, Paul wrote:

There are a few big devices kicking around.

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-86-4k-interactive-touch-monitor-p8624qt/apd/210-bjkg/monitors-monitor-accessories

https://www.samsung.com/ca/business/smart-signage/uhd-4k-signage/professional-display-qet-series-lh85qetelgcxgo/

I would want to review them in person, to see whether the lighting is uniform. If they were edge-lit, that would be quite a feat of optics,
to spread the light over the entire surface, with no duff spots.

There was a report a few weeks back, noting that some smaller
displays, something was melting around the area where the edge
lighting is, and that's one reason the properties of some of
these displays, change after they're about six months old. There
is distortion happening inside the thing, and it is caused by
the heat.

You may also need to discover what control you would have over the
picture and/or audio

The Samsung device is aimed at outdoor signage and has a "lite"
processor for this purpose. You may find that the picture has over
saturated colours, high contrast and overly high backlighting for its
use in outdoor daylight operation. The set may not have all the bells
and whistles of a dedicated TV in the way of picture control to obtain a
more realistic colour/contrast picture required for indoor viewing under
indoor lighting conditions


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On 16/09/2024 11:42, Bob Martin wrote:

On 16 Sep 2024 at 10:29:10, No mail <nomail@aolbin.com> wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on
a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or
something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going
for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts
appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

Monitors don't have a remote control or co-ax input.

Not really necessary, if it is only used as a display for a set-top box
and controlled from the box's remote, via CEC.

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On 16/09/2024 11:29, No mail wrote:

My TV works well but is ancient and heavy, and I now need to mount it on
a long arm. I've been surprised at how light the new ones are so I think
it's time to replace it in order to reduce the mounting difficulties.
It's effectively used as a monitor because I only use the HDMI input, so
I'm wondering whether to buy something that's called a "monitor", or something that's called a TV. I can't identify any downside with going
for a Monitor but thought I'd ask the hive mind ... all thoughts
appreciated ... and also for specific suggestions for monitors TVs.

https://www.richersounds.com/sony-bravia-fw-32bz30j/

Sony also make larger sizes. See the sony website.

Not cheap.

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On 16/09/2024 12:24, Pancho wrote:

I bought a new 55 inch TCL TV a couple of weeks ago, £300, I only use it
as a monitor via HDMI, although as well as standard PC stuff I do watch
Video on it via the PC.

It works great, 4K, although I have to enlarge everything to 150%, for
eye comfort.

I would have preferred a monitor, but I don't think there is much demand
for monitors above 32 inch. So it comes down to cost.

The down side of the TV is that it takes a lot of time to start, due to
its unused smart capability.

Energy saving was amazing. The old 50 inch TV used 160 watts the new one
only uses 44 watts. The new one is also much lighter.

A DIY downside was that they moved the VESA mounting point to the bottom
half of the back face rather than having it in the middle, so I had to
move my wall bracket.

I'm using a 50" 4k TV as a monitor. I found the dot pitch to be about
the same as my old 1920x1200 monitor. Just there an awful lot more dots :)

The only delays on startup I see are that it has to synchronise to the
wireless speakers and subwoofer. You won't have those, they aren't sold
in the UK.

And the logging only goes to my ex-employer, who gave it to me to test
as a prototype, not to the Chinese.

Andy

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