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Sadly my version of W11 pro does not line up with on line explanations
of how to back up data other than by using their cloud:-(
My other discovery is that team viewer is an expensive activity (£15/ month).
On 19/11/2024 15:46, Timatmarford wrote:
My other discovery is that team viewer is an expensive activity (£15/
month).
That would be for commercial users.
Do you really need to use that? It's mainly of use for accessing PCs
remotely over the internet. Having Teamviewer on your own machine is a
magnet for scammers, I routinely remove it if I find it on a machine
where the user is not au fait with computers and I don't need it to
support them.
There are other programs for access across a local network.
If you've got the professional version of Windows 7, then you can allow remote connections and use mstsc.exe (Microsoft Remote Desktop Client
(Remote Desktop Connection)) from your windows 11 machine.
If only you have the home edition, probably you'll find someone with a
spare windows 7 license key to easily convert that edition into
professional.
or there are many other applications.
On 19/11/2024 17:30, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 19/11/2024 15:46, Timatmarford wrote:
My other discovery is that team viewer is an expensive activity (£15/
month).
That would be for commercial users.
Do you really need to use that? It's mainly of use for accessing PCs
remotely over the internet. Having Teamviewer on your own machine is a
magnet for scammers, I routinely remove it if I find it on a machine
where the user is not au fait with computers and I don't need it to
support them.
There are other programs for access across a local network.
If you've got the professional version of Windows 7, then you can
allow remote connections and use mstsc.exe (Microsoft Remote Desktop
Client (Remote Desktop Connection)) from your windows 11 machine.
If only you have the home edition, probably you'll find someone with a
spare windows 7 license key to easily convert that edition into
professional.
or there are many other applications.
TeamViewer is better because it allows file transfer between the local
PC and the remote one that you are accessing. I'm not sure how many
different remote PCs you can access in total (not simultaneously). But
their commercial use detector is a bit too sensitive. I just use
TemaViewer to access my mum's PC to help her with computer problems, but several times I've had my account suspended because they think it's commercial activity. Each time I fill in the declaration and they
restore activity very quickly. But it's a pain.
I tend to use RealVNC which doesn't have the file transfer but I;ve
never had problem with remote access being seen as commercial and
therefore outside the terms of the free licence. But... the free version
only allows you to connect to three different computers (it used to be
five). And accessing a remote Windows computer within the LAN (because
I'm too lazy to wall to the other end of the house) needs external
access and so uses up one of your three permitted computers. It's a
shame that they don't allow access between computers within the LAN to
be direct TCP connections, without needing to go via RealVNC's cloud.
The exception is Raspberry Pi computers: their Raspbian or Raspberry
PiOS has a built-in RealVNC server which *does* allow TCP connection so
a) it's faster and b) it is in addition to the three cloud-connected computers.
There is something a bit surreal about being able to access my RasPi at
home (via cloud connection) while I am at sea on a cruise. Data rate is appalling over satellite internet, but sometimes all I want to do is to
add a new TV programme to be recorded on my RasPi video recorder or
check that the freezers are still working properly.
On 19/11/2024 21:25, NY wrote:computers and I don't need it to support them.
On 19/11/2024 17:30, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 19/11/2024 15:46, Timatmarford wrote:
My other discovery is that team viewer is an expensive activity (£15/ month).
That would be for commercial users.
Do you really need to use that? It's mainly of use for accessing PCs remotely over the internet. Having Teamviewer on your own machine is a magnet for scammers, I routinely remove it if I find it on a machine where the user is not au fait with
too sensitive. I just use TemaViewer to access my mum's PC to help her with computer problems, but several times I've had my account suspended because they think it's commercial activity. Each time I fill in the declaration and they restore activity very
There are other programs for access across a local network.
If you've got the professional version of Windows 7, then you can allow remote connections and use mstsc.exe (Microsoft Remote Desktop Client (Remote Desktop Connection)) from your windows 11 machine.
If only you have the home edition, probably you'll find someone with a spare windows 7 license key to easily convert that edition into professional.
or there are many other applications.
TeamViewer is better because it allows file transfer between the local PC and the remote one that you are accessing. I'm not sure how many different remote PCs you can access in total (not simultaneously). But their commercial use detector is a bit
different computers (it used to be five). And accessing a remote Windows computer within the LAN (because I'm too lazy to wall to the other end of the house) needs external access and so uses up one of your three permitted computers. It's a shame that
I tend to use RealVNC which doesn't have the file transfer but I;ve never had problem with remote access being seen as commercial and therefore outside the terms of the free licence. But... the free version only allows you to connect to three
recorded on my RasPi video recorder or check that the freezers are still working properly.
There is something a bit surreal about being able to access my RasPi at home (via cloud connection) while I am at sea on a cruise. Data rate is appalling over satellite internet, but sometimes all I want to do is to add a new TV programme to be
Way beyond my needs!
I am hoping to avoid cloud connections. I see a risk that once they have my data, the commercial opportunities will overcome any moral scruples:-(
I have been struggling to find a route to save files to a plug in hard drive with no success. There are plenty of intructions available but they do not seem to match my particular installation.
Another day tomorrow. At least I still have the W7 data.
I am hoping to avoid cloud connections. I see a risk that once they have
my data, the commercial opportunities will overcome any moral scruples:-(
I have been struggling to find a route to save files to a plug in hard
drive with no success. There are plenty of intructions available but they
do not seem to match my particular installation.
On 19/11/2024 in message <lq4ivjFah9qU1@mid.individual.net> Timatmarford wrote:
I am hoping to avoid cloud connections. I see a risk that once they
have my data, the commercial opportunities will overcome any moral
scruples:-(
I have been struggling to find a route to save files to a plug in hard
drive with no success. There are plenty of intructions available but
they do not seem to match my particular installation.
Good old xcopy will back up your data to an external drive. Assuming
your data is in the standard place and your USB drive is drive U:
XCOPY C:\Users\tim\Documents u:\Documents /A /E
I am sure others can add some sophistication to that, put it in a batch
file and run it daily with Task Scheduler.
Alternatively SmartSync Pro will let you do it with a GUI:
https://www.smartsync.com/
On Tue, 11/19/2024 5:49 PM, Timatmarford wrote:snip
I am hoping to avoid cloud connections. I see a risk that once they have my data, the commercial opportunities will overcome any moral scruples:-(
I have been struggling to find a route to save files to a plug in hard drive with no success. There are plenty of intructions available but they do not seem to match my particular installation.
Another day tomorrow. At least I still have the W7 data.
Disk Management is the application to use:
Start : Run : diskmgmt.msc # If you can't find the icon in the start menu
Right-click Start button and check for it # If you can find the icon
This is a mockup of a user with a C: drive inside a machine,
with a large capacity external backup drive (partitioned GPT, formatted NTFS) as the backup device on a blue USB3 connector.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/brT63WWX/PC-with-backup-drive-over-USB3.gif
That's the kind of picture you can share, when discussing a disk drive problem.
A brand new external drive, should already have a partition defined on it.
It could be ExFAT instead of NTFS, that's what you might expect to be different.
Some are prepared with ExFAT. Then I re-format them to NTFS (a journaled file system).
You can also draw ASCII Art diagrams, to get some of those details across. My boot drive.
You put a term like "AMD" in a file system label, to remind yourself which machine it lives in :-)
At one time, I only had the one AMD machine, and that label was good enough.
FAT32 NTFS NTFS NTFS NTFS NTFS
Disk 0 +---------+---------+----------+----------+----------+--------+
| 100MB | W11Home | Recovery | WIN10AMD | Recovery | Shared |
| ESP | C: | 649MB | H: | 1GB K: | S: |
+---------+---------+----------+----------+----------+--------+
\__________________/ \___________________/
Boot First OS Second OS Data
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased
software may take the fun out of the job but saves a lot of nervous
stress:-)
On 20/11/2024 01:47, Paul wrote:
On Tue, 11/19/2024 5:49 PM, Timatmarford wrote:snip
I am hoping to avoid cloud connections. I see a risk that once they have my data, the commercial opportunities will overcome any moral scruples:-(
I have been struggling to find a route to save files to a plug in hard drive with no success. There are plenty of intructions available but they do not seem to match my particular installation.
Another day tomorrow. At least I still have the W7 data.
Disk Management is the application to use:
Start : Run : diskmgmt.msc # If you can't find the icon in the start menu
Right-click Start button and check for it # If you can find the icon
This is a mockup of a user with a C: drive inside a machine,
with a large capacity external backup drive (partitioned GPT, formatted NTFS)
as the backup device on a blue USB3 connector.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/brT63WWX/PC-with-backup-drive-over-USB3.gif
That's the kind of picture you can share, when discussing a disk drive problem.
A brand new external drive, should already have a partition defined on it. >> It could be ExFAT instead of NTFS, that's what you might expect to be different.
Some are prepared with ExFAT. Then I re-format them to NTFS (a journaled file system).
You can also draw ASCII Art diagrams, to get some of those details across. My boot drive.
You put a term like "AMD" in a file system label, to remind yourself which machine it lives in :-)
At one time, I only had the one AMD machine, and that label was good enough. >>
FAT32 NTFS NTFS NTFS NTFS NTFS
Disk 0 +---------+---------+----------+----------+----------+--------+ >> | 100MB | W11Home | Recovery | WIN10AMD | Recovery | Shared |
| ESP | C: | 649MB | H: | 1GB K: | S: |
+---------+---------+----------+----------+----------+--------+
\__________________/ \___________________/
Boot First OS Second OS Data
Paul.
This is way over my head! My PC literacy has severe limitations:-)
On Wed, 11/20/2024 4:24 AM, Timatmarford wrote:
On 20/11/2024 01:47, Paul wrote:
On Tue, 11/19/2024 5:49 PM, Timatmarford wrote:snip
I am hoping to avoid cloud connections. I see a risk that once they have my data, the commercial opportunities will overcome any moral scruples:-(
I have been struggling to find a route to save files to a plug in hard drive with no success. There are plenty of intructions available but they do not seem to match my particular installation.
Another day tomorrow. At least I still have the W7 data.
Disk Management is the application to use:
Start : Run : diskmgmt.msc # If you can't find the icon in the start menu
Right-click Start button and check for it # If you can find the icon
This is a mockup of a user with a C: drive inside a machine,
with a large capacity external backup drive (partitioned GPT, formatted NTFS)
as the backup device on a blue USB3 connector.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/brT63WWX/PC-with-backup-drive-over-USB3.gif >>>
That's the kind of picture you can share, when discussing a disk drive problem.
A brand new external drive, should already have a partition defined on it. >>> It could be ExFAT instead of NTFS, that's what you might expect to be different.
Some are prepared with ExFAT. Then I re-format them to NTFS (a journaled file system).
You can also draw ASCII Art diagrams, to get some of those details across. My boot drive.
You put a term like "AMD" in a file system label, to remind yourself which machine it lives in :-)
At one time, I only had the one AMD machine, and that label was good enough.
FAT32 NTFS NTFS NTFS NTFS NTFS
Disk 0 +---------+---------+----------+----------+----------+--------+ >>> | 100MB | W11Home | Recovery | WIN10AMD | Recovery | Shared |
| ESP | C: | 649MB | H: | 1GB K: | S: |
+---------+---------+----------+----------+----------+--------+
\__________________/ \___________________/
Boot First OS Second OS Data
Paul.
This is way over my head! My PC literacy has severe limitations:-)
The "related" items at the bottom here, might have bits and pieces of background info.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/disk-management/overview-of-disk-management
This one has some little pictures of various things.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/backup-and-storage/troubleshoot-disk-management
This picture is fairly common. You plug in some disk and nothing shows up in your file explorer. In some cases, the disk needs to be initialized. Normally, this step isn't needed immediately when an external disk
comes from the factory, as they want the device to give a "positive response" as soon as it is plugged in. You may still need to make some tiny adjustments,
depending on your intended application.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/backup-and-storage/media/troubleshoot-disk-management/uninitialized-disk.png
You can see in my picture, the top disk is the boot drive that I use every day.
The bottom disk is the external for doing backups. And the bottom disk uses one very large partition, to hold the backup files.
https://i.postimg.cc/brT63WWX/PC-with-backup-drive-over-USB3.gif
Even the articles here, are a little too advanced. This would be an example of
a site I would use, for specific recipes where I know the page is perfect for the job.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/158668-how-mount-unmount-drive-volume-windows.html
OK, this one shows how to open Disk Management on Windows 10. The guy who made
that site, also made sites for some of the other Windows OSes too.
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/96205-format-disk-drive-windows-10-a.html
"Right click on the Start button to open the Win+X menu,
and click/tap on Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc).
"
Formatting a drive, removes data (makes it inaccessible), so that is
not to be done lightly. It's OK to format a brand new purchased drive.
The drive in my picture, has been formatted a couple of times, removing
the previous full backups on it.
Paul
I can tell you now that right clicking on the start button does nothing!
on this version of W11.
On 20/11/2024 in message <lq5nt0Ffo1tU1@mid.individual.net> Timatmarford wrote:
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased software may take the fun out of the job but saves a lot of nervous stress:-)
You and me both, I am in the process of moving to Windows 8.1 which allows me to choose when updates are installed.
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased >>>software may take the fun out of the job but saves a lot of nervous >>>stress:-)
You and me both, I am in the process of moving to Windows 8.1 which allows >>me to choose when updates are installed.
Is the Windows 8.1 OS installed ?
It's kinda late to be starting a Windows 8.1 from scratch.
Timatmarford wrote:
I can tell you now that right clicking on the start button does
nothing! on this version of W11.
It should ...
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/win11-right-click-start.png>
Good old xcopy will back up your data to an external drive. Assuming your >>>data is in the standard place and your USB drive is drive U:
XCOPY C:\Users\tim\Documents u:\Documents /A /E
I am sure others can add some sophistication to that, put it in a batch >>>file and run it daily with Task Scheduler.
Alternatively SmartSync Pro will let you do it with a GUI:
https://www.smartsync.com/
Thanks for the suggestions. A plug in drive tends to be identified as D >>here.
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased >>software may take the fun out of the job but saves a lot of nervous >>stress:-)
I use Microsoft SyncToy to backup selected folders on my PC to
corresponding folders on a backup drive. It compares the source and >destination folders and only copies files which are new or have changed,
do it doesn't copy every thing every time which that XCOPY command will do.
On 20/11/2024 08:24, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 19/11/2024 in message <lq4ivjFah9qU1@mid.individual.net>
Timatmarford wrote:
I am hoping to avoid cloud connections. I see a risk that once they
have my data, the commercial opportunities will overcome any moral
scruples:-(
I have been struggling to find a route to save files to a plug in
hard drive with no success. There are plenty of intructions available
but they do not seem to match my particular installation.
Good old xcopy will back up your data to an external drive. Assuming
your data is in the standard place and your USB drive is drive U:
XCOPY C:\Users\tim\Documents u:\Documents /A /E
I am sure others can add some sophistication to that, put it in a
batch file and run it daily with Task Scheduler.
Alternatively SmartSync Pro will let you do it with a GUI:
https://www.smartsync.com/
Thanks for the suggestions. A plug in drive tends to be identified as D
here.
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased
software may take the *fun* out of the job but saves a lot of nervous stress:-)
On 20/11/2024 in message
<szCdnUtjCbxAxqP6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk> NY wrote:
I use Microsoft SyncToy to backup selected folders on my PC to
corresponding folders on a backup drive. It compares the source and
destination folders and only copies files which are new or have
changed, do it doesn't copy every thing every time which that XCOPY
command will do.
The /A command means it only copies files with the archive attribute set.
On 20/11/2024 in message <vhkkmk$3dv5$1@dont-email.me> Paul wrote:are updates to install so I can choose when to install them. I do use Open Shell, Microsoft seems incapable of producing a GUI like Android, particularly in respect of scaling!
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased software may take the fun out of the job but saves a lot of nervous stress:-)
You and me both, I am in the process of moving to Windows 8.1 which allows me to choose when updates are installed.
Is the Windows 8.1 OS installed ?
It's kinda late to be starting a Windows 8.1 from scratch.
It is, it's an Asus Z170-K board which is from the Win 8 era. I have a couple of 8.1 Pro DVDs and a couple of Home. I can find my way round it easier and it does simple things like asking for the computer name (Win 10 makes one up) and telling me there
On Wed, 11/20/2024 8:00 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 20/11/2024 in message <vhkkmk$3dv5$1@dont-email.me> Paul wrote:
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased >>>>>software may take the fun out of the job but saves a lot of nervous >>>>>stress:-)
You and me both, I am in the process of moving to Windows 8.1 which allows >>>>me to choose when updates are installed.
Is the Windows 8.1 OS installed ?
It's kinda late to be starting a Windows 8.1 from scratch.
It is, it's an Asus Z170-K board which is from the Win 8 era. I have a >>couple of 8.1 Pro DVDs and a couple of Home. I can find my way round it >>easier and it does simple things like asking for the computer name (Win 10 >>makes one up) and telling me there are updates to install so I can choose >>when to install them. I do use Open Shell, Microsoft seems incapable of >>producing a GUI like Android, particularly in respect of scaling!
The install-only keys (for bypassing the key step), stopped working.
The normal materials in this case, is to make a Rufus boot USB, and first
try adjusting/adding the EI.cfg file which pretends to be a VLK
Professional.
I don't think the PID.txt file would be worth adding, as I suspect that
key is one of the blocked ones.
On 20/11/2024 in message <vhkkmk$3dv5$1@dont-email.me> Paul wrote:
I am finding W11 fairly impenetrable to an unskilled user. Purchased
software may take the fun out of the job but saves a lot of nervous
stress:-)
You and me both, I am in the process of moving to Windows 8.1 which
allows me to choose when updates are installed.
Is the Windows 8.1 OS installed ?
It's kinda late to be starting a Windows 8.1 from scratch.
It is, it's an Asus Z170-K board which is from the Win 8 era. I have a
couple of 8.1 Pro DVDs and a couple of Home. I can find my way round it easier and it does simple things like asking for the computer name (Win
10 makes one up) and telling me there are updates to install so I can
choose when to install them. I do use Open Shell, Microsoft seems
incapable of producing a GUI like Android, particularly in respect of scaling!
On 19/11/2024 17:30, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 19/11/2024 15:46, Timatmarford wrote:
My other discovery is that team viewer is an expensive activity (£15/
month).
That would be for commercial users.
Do you really need to use that? It's mainly of use for accessing PCs
remotely over the internet. Having Teamviewer on your own machine is a
magnet for scammers, I routinely remove it if I find it on a machine
where the user is not au fait with computers and I don't need it to
support them.
There are other programs for access across a local network.
If you've got the professional version of Windows 7, then you can
allow remote connections and use mstsc.exe (Microsoft Remote Desktop
Client (Remote Desktop Connection)) from your windows 11 machine.
If only you have the home edition, probably you'll find someone with a
spare windows 7 license key to easily convert that edition into
professional.
or there are many other applications.
TeamViewer is better because it allows file transfer between the local
PC and the remote one that you are accessing.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 469 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 58:02:33 |
| Calls: | 9,454 |
| Calls today: | 1 |
| Files: | 13,596 |
| Messages: | 6,113,196 |
