https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
Brilliant!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:No ads with Ublock origin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
Without the ads
https://www.youtube.com/embed/mQrvmY5s2mo
On 18/12/2024 13:55, GB wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:No ads with Ublock origin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2moWithout the ads
https://www.youtube.com/embed/mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively begging. This comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been listening to. But isn't accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as claiming pension credit?
My best guess is a fear/reluctance to engage with the form filling and vetting
that goes with means testing.
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively begging. This comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been listening to. But isn't accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as claiming pension credit?
My best guess is a fear/reluctance to engage with the form filling and vetting
that goes with means testing.
On 21/12/2024 11:17 am, RJH wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively
begging. This
comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been listening to. But
isn't
accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as claiming pension
credit?
It never was until now.
Before Labour got in and started their targeting of pensioners for a punishment beating for predominantly voting Conservative, the WFA was a
part and parcel of the ordinary state pension, earned by having paid in National Insurance for a number of years
On 22/12/2024 00:01, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2024 11:17 am, RJH wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively
begging. This comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been listening to.
But isn't accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as claiming pension
credit?
It never was until now.
Before Labour got in and started their targeting of pensioners for a
punishment beating for predominantly voting Conservative, the WFA was
a part and parcel of the ordinary state pension, earned by having paid
in National Insurance for a number of years.
Utter nonsense. Gordon Brown introduced the WFA in 1997 in order
to buy votes, under the guise of keeping pensioners 'warm' in
winter. It is paid for by current working taxpayers (or in
reality simply by adding to the national debt which future
taxpayers are on the hook for).
On 23/12/2024 12:04 pm, Andrew wrote::-)
On 22/12/2024 00:01, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2024 11:17 am, RJH wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-
entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively
begging. This comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been
listening to.
But isn't accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as
claiming pension credit?
It never was until now.
Before Labour got in and started their targeting of pensioners for a
punishment beating for predominantly voting Conservative, the WFA was
a part and parcel of the ordinary state pension, earned by having
paid in National Insurance for a number of years.
Utter nonsense. Gordon Brown introduced the WFA in 1997 in order
to buy votes, under the guise of keeping pensioners 'warm' in
winter. It is paid for by current working taxpayers (or in
reality simply by adding to the national debt which future
taxpayers are on the hook for).
Are you really trying to deny that pensioners get the state pension (neé Retirement Pension) only because they have either paid or been credited
with decades of National Insurance contributions?
Really?
And the WFA was a part of that. Yes, it was added only during the late nineties, but that does not make it any less a component of the State Pension.
[snipped: Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Pension-Snatching
Labour Party]
On 23/12/2024 12:04 pm, Andrew wrote:
On 22/12/2024 00:01, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2024 11:17 am, RJH wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively
begging. This comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been
listening to.
But isn't accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as
claiming pension credit?
It never was until now.
Before Labour got in and started their targeting of pensioners for a
punishment beating for predominantly voting Conservative, the WFA was
a part and parcel of the ordinary state pension, earned by having
paid in National Insurance for a number of years.
Utter nonsense. Gordon Brown introduced the WFA in 1997 in order
to buy votes, under the guise of keeping pensioners 'warm' in
winter. It is paid for by current working taxpayers (or in
reality simply by adding to the national debt which future
taxpayers are on the hook for).
Are you really trying to deny that pensioners get the state pension (neé Retirement Pension) only because they have either paid or been credited
with decades of National Insurance contributions?
Really?NO IT WASN'T. It is NO part of the state pension, and never
And the WFA was a part of that.
On 23/12/2024 16:42, JNugent wrote:
On 23/12/2024 12:04 pm, Andrew wrote:
On 22/12/2024 00:01, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2024 11:17 am, RJH wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits-
entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively
begging. This comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been
listening to.
But isn't accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as
claiming pension credit?
It never was until now.
Before Labour got in and started their targeting of pensioners for a
punishment beating for predominantly voting Conservative, the WFA
was a part and parcel of the ordinary state pension, earned by
having paid in National Insurance for a number of years.
Utter nonsense. Gordon Brown introduced the WFA in 1997 in order
to buy votes, under the guise of keeping pensioners 'warm' in
winter. It is paid for by current working taxpayers (or in
reality simply by adding to the national debt which future
taxpayers are on the hook for).
Are you really trying to deny that pensioners get the state pension
(neé Retirement Pension) only because they have either paid or been
credited with decades of National Insurance contributions?
read what I posted, ffs.
NO IT WASN'T. It is NO part of the state pension, and never
Really?
And the WFA was a part of that.
existed prior to 1997. Since 1997 pensioners have done far
better than people on low/minimum wages. It is no longer
needed for the vast majority of them.
The triple lock more than compensates for the so-called 'loss'
of the WFA anyway.
<div id="editor" contenteditable="false">> The triple lock more than compensates for the so-called 'loss'
of the WFA anyway.
No it does not. The triple lock compensates for inflation, comparison
with wage increases or 2.5%, whichever is higher. It does not compensate
for the loss of the WFA at all. UK pensions are pitifully low and the
triple lock was designed to gradually bring them up to a reasonable
level - except that the rate of increase is expected to do so only after
90 years!
Kier Starmer has recently claimed in Parliament that *EVERY* pensioner
will be receiving an increase of £472 per year, but this is an outright
lie. Any pensioner on the pre-2016 pension gets just £363 - which minus
the WFA of £300, leaves an increase of just £63 ... dwarfed by the increases in the costs of shopping, council tax, fuel, and much more.
Every year, the pre-2016 pensions grow worse, as the basic pension
increases by the triple-lock rate, but the SERPS top-up does not, while
the already higher post-2016 pension increases by the full amount.
On 23/12/2024 20:19, Andrew wrote:
On 23/12/2024 16:42, JNugent wrote:
On 23/12/2024 12:04 pm, Andrew wrote:
On 22/12/2024 00:01, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2024 11:17 am, RJH wrote:
On 21 Dec 2024 at 08:13:45 GMT, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 18/12/2024 10:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQrvmY5s2mo
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/benefits- >>>>>>> entitlements/
But it seems 100,000s aren't going to claim pension credit - why?!
Apparently stigma is an issue, accepting handouts, effectively
begging. This comes across in some late night phone-ins I've been
listening to.
But isn't accepting the winter fuel payment much the same as
claiming pension credit?
It never was until now.
Before Labour got in and started their targeting of pensioners for
a punishment beating for predominantly voting Conservative, the WFA
was a part and parcel of the ordinary state pension, earned by
having paid in National Insurance for a number of years.
Utter nonsense. Gordon Brown introduced the WFA in 1997 in order
to buy votes, under the guise of keeping pensioners 'warm' in
winter. It is paid for by current working taxpayers (or in
reality simply by adding to the national debt which future
taxpayers are on the hook for).
Are you really trying to deny that pensioners get the state pension
(neé Retirement Pension) only because they have either paid or been
credited with decades of National Insurance contributions?
read what I posted, ffs.
NO IT WASN'T. It is NO part of the state pension, and never
Really?
And the WFA was a part of that.
existed prior to 1997. Since 1997 pensioners have done far
better than people on low/minimum wages. It is no longer
needed for the vast majority of them.
The triple lock more than compensates for the so-called 'loss'
of the WFA anyway.
No it does not. The triple lock compensates for inflation, comparison
with wage increases or 2.5%, whichever is higher. It does not compensate
for the loss of the WFA at all. UK pensions are pitifully low
On 23 Dec 2024 at 23:57:52 GMT, SteveW wrote:
<div id="editor" contenteditable="false">> The triple lock more than
compensates for the so-called 'loss'
of the WFA anyway.
No it does not. The triple lock compensates for inflation, comparison
with wage increases or 2.5%, whichever is higher. It does not compensate
for the loss of the WFA at all. UK pensions are pitifully low and the
triple lock was designed to gradually bring them up to a reasonable
level - except that the rate of increase is expected to do so only after
90 years!
Kier Starmer has recently claimed in Parliament that *EVERY* pensioner
will be receiving an increase of £472 per year, but this is an outright
lie. Any pensioner on the pre-2016 pension gets just £363 - which minus
the WFA of £300, leaves an increase of just £63 ... dwarfed by the
increases in the costs of shopping, council tax, fuel, and much more.
Isn't that the point of pension credit, though - it tops up income, as well as
giving simple access to many other benefits?
Presumably you've seen the House of Commons report in October this year called "Pensions: International comparisons"?
<https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00290/>
Isn't that the point of pension credit, though - it tops up income, as well as
giving simple access to many other benefits?
On 23/12/2024 23:57, SteveW wrote:
On 23/12/2024 20:19, Andrew wrote:
On 23/12/2024 16:42, JNugent wrote:
And the WFA was a part of that.
NO IT WASN'T. It is NO part of the state pension, and never
existed prior to 1997. Since 1997 pensioners have done far
better than people on low/minimum wages. It is no longer
needed for the vast majority of them.
The triple lock more than compensates for the so-called 'loss'
of the WFA anyway.
No it does not. The triple lock compensates for inflation, comparison
with wage increases or 2.5%, whichever is higher. It does not
compensate for the loss of the WFA at all. UK pensions are pitifully low
Read my previous post !.
Someone earning £166/week for 48 weeks and then for 35 years will
pay ZERO NI but will get 1 years NI credit per year and that
entitles him/her to a free state pension worth £238,000 (m) or
£268,000 (f).
I don't call that 'pitifully low', I call it wonderfully generous
and on top of that is all-you-can-eat-for-FREE NHS treatment, which
for every person over 85 is worth an average of another £30,000 per
year. No other country provides this, and for a good economic reason,
it is impossible without destroying the economy with unsustainable
taxes or debt or both.
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