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    From dolf@21:1/5 to one on Fri Dec 3 12:06:11 2021
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, aus.legal, aus.religion.judaism
    XPost: aus.politics

    one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:12:06 +1100, dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:

    DOLF @ 0819 HOURS ON 3 DECEMBER 2021: "This chapter now includes five
    instances of temporal cohesion as time check ideas.

    That the spoken word ought as integrity then follow a circular / elliptical >> path: by that I mean if it runs long enough then it ought to cohere along
    an equivalent head to tail path.

    The DAO is metaphysical and therefore before / alongside / outside time."

    I have no idea what you're referring to.

    What chapter?
    What are the five instances of temporal cohesion as time check ideas?


    I keep aggregations of our dialog as chapters and I note therein that I
    have five ideas which as spontaneity are associated to ideas derived from a time check.

    Thank you for your participation.

    I've heard of Mobius and Klein
    plus there's the uroborus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Möbius_strip

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

    << The ouroboros entered Western tradition via ancient Egyptian
    iconography and the Greek magical tradition. It was adopted as a
    symbol in Gnosticism and Hermeticism and most notably in alchemy.>>

    With Taoist alchemy, especially Nei Tan, an infant appears again.
    To return to a state of that of an infant, a newborn, one may.

    A sacred embryo could be visualized, metaphysically, and then,
    similar to yoga chakra wheels, vorticies, etc., energy may rise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan

    << ... ... ultimately returning
    to the primordial unity of the Tao, i.e., becoming an Immortal. >>

    Wei Tan can be an other story.

    http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/taoism/peng.html

    << On these island were believed to be plants that had the gift of
    restoring life to the dead and renewing youth, mushrooms of
    immortality (believed to be a species of Agaric), waters or wells of
    life and life prolonging trees. Everyone that ate the mushrooms or the
    fruit of P'eng-Lai renewed their youth and acquired the power of
    floating from island to island. >>

    States of consciousness, mystical experiences, paradigms
    and such knots often vary from tail to tale telling time
    for time beings in places within spaces naturally.

    - thanks! Cheers!

    dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
    DOLF @ 0804 HOURS ON 29 NOVEMBER 2021: "It seems that you have lost
    direction and your goose is cooked ...

    The DAO TE CHING for today is #47 - Ignorant Guides, Viewing the Distant: >>>
    “The farther you go, the less you know.

    Thus the sage knows without travelling;
    He sees without looking;
    He works without doing.” [Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 47]

    And then you went on verbose tangents in an attempt to conceal that fact." >>>
    ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 1208 HOURS ON 30 NOVEMBER 2021: "How is it
    possible to act against the Dao?

    I don't know what you are referring to."

    DOLF @ 1224 HOURS ON 1 DECEMBER 2021: "The spoken Dao is not the Dao, so I >>> don’t know why you use so many words…

    <https://www.grapple369.com/?time:12.24>

        #373 as [#30, #70, #3, #70, #200] = lógos (G3056): {UMBRA: #373 % #41 =
    #4} 1) of speech; 1a) a *WORD*, uttered by a living voice, embodies a
    conception or idea; 1b) what someone has said; 1b1) a word; 1b2) the
    sayings of God; 1b3) decree, mandate or order; 1b4) of the moral precepts >>> given by God; 1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets; 1b6) what >>> is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, >>> a maxim; 1c) discourse; 1c1) the act of speaking, speech; 1c2) the faculty >>> of speech, skill and practice in speaking; 1c3) a kind or style of
    speaking; 1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction; 1d) doctrine, >>> teaching; 1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative; 1f)
    matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute,
    case, suit at law; 1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed; 2) >>> *ITS* *USE* *AS* *RESPECT* *TO* *THE* *MIND* *ALONE*; 2a) reason, the
    mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating; 2b)
    account, i.e. regard, consideration; 2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score; >>> 2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment; 2e)
    relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation; 2e1) reason would; >>> 2f) reason, cause, ground; 3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, >>> Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister >>> in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's >>> life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's
    salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the
    second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words >>> and deeds.;

    Try number instead…

    The suggestion given of the name DAO TE CHING conveys the changes necessary >>> to obtain the virtue (TE) of DAO."

    ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 0014 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I have no idea >>> what you're referring to.

    Mixing and matching Romanizations occurs.

    To obtain the De of Dao, or Teh of Tao, may suggest some body or individual >>> has lost Tao.

    A virtue of being in the Zone is to experience wonder.
    One may wonder, how does one arrive in, stay in, know
    and be in the Zone and if such a state is possible forever.

    How long is eternity.
    How long does the present last.

    Now is the time at all times now is.
    A great gift, the present, unfolds.

    To be an eternal, an immortal, with Tao Chia, is possible.
    To not identify with mortality seeing as how duality suggests,
    when mortality exists, not-mortality also exists. TTC 2 articulates.

    Beyond being either/or
    Prior to nonbeing both/and
    Not-two, not-one, not any thing
    Neither a non-thing nor nothing

    The above batch of #373 appear to be like a dictionary of a sort.

    Forgetting about words might be a technique.

    Thinking without words is possible and perhaps common when being
    spontaneous, prior to words emerging, naturally."

    DOLF @ 1244 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I ought to confess that I had
    written my “so many words” statement before then doing a time check and in
    being satisfied then made sure it was posted without further delay @ 1224 >>> hours."

        #316 as [#8, #6, #300, #2] / ?    #316 as [#8, #300, #2, #6] / >>> ?    #365 as [#5, #8, #300, #2, #10, #600] / ?#310 as [#8, #300, #2] = >>> châshab (H2803): {UMBRA: #310 % #41 = #23} 1) to think, plan, esteem,
    calculate, invent, make a judgment, imagine, count; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to
    think, account; 1a2) to plan, devise, mean; 1a3) to charge, impute, reckon; >>> 1a4) to esteem, value, regard; 1a5) to invent; 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be
    accounted, be thought, be esteemed; 1b2) to be computed, be reckoned; 1b3) >>> to be imputed; 1c) (Piel); 1c1) to think upon, consider, be mindful of;
    1c2) *TO* *THINK* *TO* *DO*, *DEVISE*, *PLAN*; 1c3) to count, reckon; 1d) >>> (Hithpael) to be considered;

    <https://www.grapple369.com/?time:12.24>

    A DRAFT COPY OF THIS DOCUMENT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE FOLLOWING URL:

    <https://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Daily%20Practice%20With%20The%20Dao.pdf>

    Initial Post: 23 November 2021






    --


    YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-7OuqWi4vQ>

    SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
    {#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN* *CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
    harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

    Private Street on the edge of the Central Business District dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

    <http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

    SEE ALSO: HYPOSTASIS AS DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek: TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

    Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
    assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
    (translation published within English as first European language in 1993), first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie. Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
    of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

    It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis [James 3:6] as HYPOSTASIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
    = #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
    64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
    than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
    macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
    canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

    <http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

    The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
    a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS REALITY OF HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
    REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

    That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] as EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.

    <http://www.grapple369.com/Grumble.zip> (Download resources)

    After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
    expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
    TETRAD/TETRACTYS.

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  • From dolf@21:1/5 to dolf on Fri Dec 3 14:44:08 2021
    XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, aus.legal, aus.religion.judaism
    XPost: aus.politics

    You sometimes make insightful comments and if I aggregate them with my own conceptions on the subject it accords me a comprehensive syncretic
    progression of the topic.

    One seldom finds on Usenet persons who are focusing on the topic rather
    than personal attacks

    dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
    one <being@apolka.sign> wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 09:12:06 +1100, dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:

    DOLF @ 0819 HOURS ON 3 DECEMBER 2021: "This chapter now includes five
    instances of temporal cohesion as time check ideas.

    That the spoken word ought as integrity then follow a circular / elliptical >>> path: by that I mean if it runs long enough then it ought to cohere along >>> an equivalent head to tail path.

    The DAO is metaphysical and therefore before / alongside / outside time." >>
    I have no idea what you're referring to.

    What chapter?
    What are the five instances of temporal cohesion as time check ideas?


    I keep aggregations of our dialog as chapters and I note therein that I
    have five ideas which as spontaneity are associated to ideas derived from a time check.

    Thank you for your participation.

    I've heard of Mobius and Klein
    plus there's the uroborus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Möbius_strip

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

    << The ouroboros entered Western tradition via ancient Egyptian
    iconography and the Greek magical tradition. It was adopted as a
    symbol in Gnosticism and Hermeticism and most notably in alchemy.>>

    With Taoist alchemy, especially Nei Tan, an infant appears again.
    To return to a state of that of an infant, a newborn, one may.

    A sacred embryo could be visualized, metaphysically, and then,
    similar to yoga chakra wheels, vorticies, etc., energy may rise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan

    << ... ... ultimately returning
    to the primordial unity of the Tao, i.e., becoming an Immortal. >>

    Wei Tan can be an other story.

    http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/taoism/peng.html

    << On these island were believed to be plants that had the gift of
    restoring life to the dead and renewing youth, mushrooms of
    immortality (believed to be a species of Agaric), waters or wells of
    life and life prolonging trees. Everyone that ate the mushrooms or the
    fruit of P'eng-Lai renewed their youth and acquired the power of
    floating from island to island. >>

    States of consciousness, mystical experiences, paradigms
    and such knots often vary from tail to tale telling time
    for time beings in places within spaces naturally.

    - thanks! Cheers!

    dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
    DOLF @ 0804 HOURS ON 29 NOVEMBER 2021: "It seems that you have lost
    direction and your goose is cooked ...

    The DAO TE CHING for today is #47 - Ignorant Guides, Viewing the Distant: >>>>
    “The farther you go, the less you know.

    Thus the sage knows without travelling;
    He sees without looking;
    He works without doing.” [Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 47]

    And then you went on verbose tangents in an attempt to conceal that fact." >>>>
    ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 1208 HOURS ON 30 NOVEMBER 2021: "How is it
    possible to act against the Dao?

    I don't know what you are referring to."

    DOLF @ 1224 HOURS ON 1 DECEMBER 2021: "The spoken Dao is not the Dao, so I >>>> don’t know why you use so many words…

    <https://www.grapple369.com/?time:12.24>

        #373 as [#30, #70, #3, #70, #200] = lógos (G3056): {UMBRA: #373 % #41 =
    #4} 1) of speech; 1a) a *WORD*, uttered by a living voice, embodies a
    conception or idea; 1b) what someone has said; 1b1) a word; 1b2) the
    sayings of God; 1b3) decree, mandate or order; 1b4) of the moral precepts >>>> given by God; 1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets; 1b6) what >>>> is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, >>>> a maxim; 1c) discourse; 1c1) the act of speaking, speech; 1c2) the faculty >>>> of speech, skill and practice in speaking; 1c3) a kind or style of
    speaking; 1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction; 1d) doctrine,
    teaching; 1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative; 1f) >>>> matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, >>>> case, suit at law; 1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed; 2)
    *ITS* *USE* *AS* *RESPECT* *TO* *THE* *MIND* *ALONE*; 2a) reason, the
    mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating; 2b)
    account, i.e. regard, consideration; 2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score; >>>> 2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment; 2e)
    relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation; 2e1) reason would; >>>> 2f) reason, cause, ground; 3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, >>>> Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister
    in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's >>>> life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's
    salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the
    second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words >>>> and deeds.;

    Try number instead…

    The suggestion given of the name DAO TE CHING conveys the changes necessary
    to obtain the virtue (TE) of DAO."

    ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 0014 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I have no idea >>>> what you're referring to.

    Mixing and matching Romanizations occurs.

    To obtain the De of Dao, or Teh of Tao, may suggest some body or individual
    has lost Tao.

    A virtue of being in the Zone is to experience wonder.
    One may wonder, how does one arrive in, stay in, know
    and be in the Zone and if such a state is possible forever.

    How long is eternity.
    How long does the present last.

    Now is the time at all times now is.
    A great gift, the present, unfolds.

    To be an eternal, an immortal, with Tao Chia, is possible.
    To not identify with mortality seeing as how duality suggests,
    when mortality exists, not-mortality also exists. TTC 2 articulates.

    Beyond being either/or
    Prior to nonbeing both/and
    Not-two, not-one, not any thing
    Neither a non-thing nor nothing

    The above batch of #373 appear to be like a dictionary of a sort.

    Forgetting about words might be a technique.

    Thinking without words is possible and perhaps common when being
    spontaneous, prior to words emerging, naturally."

    DOLF @ 1244 HOURS ON 2 DECEMBER 2021: "I ought to confess that I had
    written my “so many words” statement before then doing a time check and in
    being satisfied then made sure it was posted without further delay @ 1224 >>>> hours."

        #316 as [#8, #6, #300, #2] / ?    #316 as [#8, #300, #2, #6] / >>>> ?    #365 as [#5, #8, #300, #2, #10, #600] / ?#310 as [#8, #300, #2] = >>>> châshab (H2803): {UMBRA: #310 % #41 = #23} 1) to think, plan, esteem, >>>> calculate, invent, make a judgment, imagine, count; 1a) (Qal); 1a1) to >>>> think, account; 1a2) to plan, devise, mean; 1a3) to charge, impute, reckon;
    1a4) to esteem, value, regard; 1a5) to invent; 1b) (Niphal); 1b1) to be >>>> accounted, be thought, be esteemed; 1b2) to be computed, be reckoned; 1b3) >>>> to be imputed; 1c) (Piel); 1c1) to think upon, consider, be mindful of; >>>> 1c2) *TO* *THINK* *TO* *DO*, *DEVISE*, *PLAN*; 1c3) to count, reckon; 1d) >>>> (Hithpael) to be considered;

    <https://www.grapple369.com/?time:12.24>

    A DRAFT COPY OF THIS DOCUMENT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE FOLLOWING URL:

    <https://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Daily%20Practice%20With%20The%20Dao.pdf>

    Initial Post: 23 November 2021









    --


    YOUTUBE: "The Meerkat Circus"

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-7OuqWi4vQ>

    SEE ALSO AS RELATIONSHIP: *INVALIDATING* {Perennial philosophy (HETEROS
    {#390 - ROBBERS} v’s HOMOIOS {#391 - STEWARDS OF GOD’S HOUSE} THEORY OF NUMBER) as universal of right and wrong...} *THE* *ORTHODOX* *AND* *ROMAN* *CATHOLIC* *CHURCH'S* *CLAIM* {#390 as 1, #100, #80, #1, #3, #5, #200 as
    harpax (G727): {#11 as #242} 1) rapacious, ravenous; 2) a extortioner, a robber} *TO* *JUBILEE2000* *AS* *BEING* *DELUSIONAL* *AND* *FRAUDULENT*

    Private Street on the edge of the Central Business District dated 16th May, 2000 - This report is prepared in response to a TP00/55 as a Notice of an Application for Planning Permit

    <http://www.grapple369.com/jubilee2000.html>

    SEE ALSO: HYPOSTASIS AS DAO OF NATURE (Chinese: ZIRAN) / COURSE (Greek: TROCHOS) OF NATURE (Greek: GENESIS) [James 3:6]

    Chinese HAN Dynasty (206 BCE - 220CE) Hexagon Trigrams to Tetragram
    assignments proposed by Yang Hsiung (53BCE - 18CE) which by 4BCE
    (translation published within English as first European language in 1993), first appeared in draft form as a meta-thesis titled T'AI HSUAN CHING {ie. Canon of Supreme Mystery} on Natural Divination associated with the theory
    of number, annual seasonal chronology and astrology reliant upon the seven visible planets as cosmological mother image and the zodiac.

    It shows the ZIRAN as the DAO of NATURE / COURSE-trochos OF NATURE-genesis [James 3:6] as HYPOSTASIS comprising #81 trinomial tetragrammaton x 4.5 day
    = #364.5 day / year as HOMOIOS THEORY OF NUMBER which is an amalgam of the
    64 hexagrams as binomial trigrams / 81 as trinomial tetragrammaton rather
    than its encapsulated contrived use as the microcosm to redefine the
    macrocosm as the quintessence of the Pythagorean [Babylonian] as binomial
    canon of transposition as HETEROS THEORY OF NUMBER.

    <http://www.grapple369.com/nature.html>

    The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
    a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING” and the question is, if it is permissible to extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS REALITY OF HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
    REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

    That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[iOS] SAPIEN[T] as EXISTENCE / *OUSIA*.

    <http://www.grapple369.com/Grumble.zip> (Download resources)

    After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
    expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
    TETRAD/TETRACTYS.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)