• Van driver's dangerous overtake on cyclist as lorry approaches caught o

    From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 00:07:55 2023
    A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn - has been up in court.

    Footage shows a Mercedes Sprinter van driven by David Pope narrowly missing the cyclist who was trying to avoid a pothole on the A483 near Four Crosses, Llandysilio, on January 30, just as an articulated lorry was approaching.

    In the charge, the 35-year-old was said to have not allowed 'sufficient distance been him and the cyclist', adding: "The standard of driving of the defendant fell well below that of a reasonable and competent driver and he was driving without reasonable
    consideration for other persons using that road."

    He admitted driving without due care and attention when he appeared in court in August and was sentenced in Welshpool Magistrates on September 12.

    Pope, from Caldecott Crescent, Whitchurch, was fined £176 and had his driving licence endorsed with four penalty points.

    He was also ordered to pay £110 costs and a £70 surcharge.

    The footage was submitted to Dyfed-Powyos Police as part of Operation Snap's GoSfafe campaign to improve road safety which allows people to report and submit footage of potential traffic offences.

    A spokesperson for the force said: "As two-wheeled transport becomes more popular, safer interaction between cars, bicycles, and motorcycles is reliant on co-operation and a greater awareness from drivers regarding the presence of less protected road
    users.

    "Operation Snap took positive action against 1562 ‘close pass’ incidents in 2022. This highlights that there is still a need to educate road users on safely overtaking cyclists and other vulnerable road users. A good tip is to overtake cyclists in
    the same way as another vehicle, in a suitable location, ensuring that the 1.5 metre minimum gap is maintained between the cyclist or road user and the vehicle."

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2023/10/03/van-drivers-dangerous-overtake-on-cyclist-as-lorry-approaches-caught-on-camera/

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Tue Oct 3 15:07:54 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn - has been up in court.

    Footage shows a Mercedes Sprinter van driven by David Pope narrowly
    missing the cyclist who was trying to avoid a pothole on the A483 near
    Four Crosses, Llandysilio, on January 30, just as an articulated lorry was approaching.

    “Trying to avoid a pothole” is the same as “Swerving out into traffic”.

    He admitted driving without due care and attention when he appeared in
    court in August and was sentenced in Welshpool Magistrates on September 12.

    They fined the wrong person.

    “Poor turn or manoeuvre” is the fifth-highest killer of cyclists. The van was neither turning nor manoeuvring, but the cyclist certainly was.

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2023/10/03/van-drivers-dangerous-overtake-on-cyclist-as-lorry-approaches-caught-on-camera/


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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 08:36:39 2023
    QUOTE: Pope, from Caldecott Crescent, Whitchurch, was fined £176 and had his driving licence endorsed with four penalty points. eHe was also ordered to pay £110 costs and a £70 surcharge" ENDS

    Won't be doing that again in a hurry. :-)

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 13:42:39 2023
    Helmet footage captured the moment David Pope narrowly avoided a cyclist while overtaking as a lorry came towards him. Photo: Dyfed-Powys Police

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/resizer/QmDWIBpR_ITKmR9LXaqk1qYRIkU=/1200x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/mna/PIBJLKEJWNFMDEM5KTFW5EIN3A.jpg

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Tue Oct 3 20:16:12 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: Pope, from Caldecott Crescent, Whitchurch, was fined £176 and had
    his driving licence endorsed with four penalty points. eHe was also
    ordered to pay £110 costs and a £70 surcharge" ENDS

    Won't be doing that again in a hurry. :-)

    Won’t be doing what? He didn’t do the swerving!


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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Wed Oct 4 12:20:37 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    Helmet footage captured the moment David Pope narrowly avoided a cyclist while overtaking as a lorry came towards him. Photo: Dyfed-Powys Police

    https://www.shropshirestar.com/resizer/QmDWIBpR_ITKmR9LXaqk1qYRIkU=/1200x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/mna/PIBJLKEJWNFMDEM5KTFW5EIN3A.jpg

    It doesn’t show the cyclist swerve, but it’s in his account:

    “…. the cyclist who was trying to avoid a pothole on the A483…”

    Not a wise move on a busy road.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 06:48:53 2023
    QUOTE: A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn - has been up in court. ENDS

    QED - If a lorry driver felt the need to sound his horn as a warning to the idiot driver, then it MUST have been dangerous. No wonder he got points and a fine.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Wed Oct 4 16:48:24 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver
    dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn
    - has been up in court. ENDS

    QED - If a lorry driver felt the need to sound his horn as a warning to
    the idiot driver, then it MUST have been dangerous. No wonder he got points and a fine.

    Perhaps the toot on the lorry’s hooter was just a polite ‘have you seen me?’. Not everyone is a Jeremy Vine.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 10:12:02 2023
    QUOTE: Footage shows a Mercedes Sprinter van driven by David Pope narrowly missing the cyclist who was trying to avoid a pothole on the A483 near Four Crosses, Llandysilio, on January 30, just as an articulated lorry was approaching. ENDS

    What happened to the "allow cyclists wobble room" when overtaking, as was written the 1960's Highway Code?

    Now they get caught on camera, fines and points thanks to the new rules and CCTV.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Wed Oct 4 20:55:48 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    QUOTE: Footage shows a Mercedes Sprinter van driven by David Pope
    narrowly missing the cyclist who was trying to avoid a pothole on the
    A483 near Four Crosses, Llandysilio, on January 30, just as an
    articulated lorry was approaching. ENDS

    What happened to the "allow cyclists wobble room" when overtaking, as was written the 1960's Highway Code?

    Now they get caught on camera, fines and points thanks to the new rules and CCTV.

    Ah, so it’s 1.5m plus an indeterminate amount, according to Mason.

    That cyclist was very unwise. See video in the OP.

    He could have chosen to have wobbled the other, safer, way.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 14:04:55 2023
    QUOTE: In the charge, the 35-year-old was said to have not allowed 'sufficient distance been him and the cyclist', adding: "The standard of driving of the defendant fell well below that of a reasonable and competent driver and he was driving without
    reasonable consideration for other persons using that road." ENDS

    That's court speak for "you're nicked".

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Wed Oct 4 21:22:40 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: In the charge, the 35-year-old was said to have not allowed 'sufficient distance been him and the cyclist', adding: "The standard of driving of the defendant fell well below that of a reasonable and
    competent driver and he was driving without reasonable consideration for other persons using that road." ENDS

    That's court speak for "you're nicked".

    “You’re nicked” is what the police say.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 23:26:14 2023
    QUOTE: "Operation Snap took positive action against 1562 ‘close pass’ incidents in 2022. This highlights that there is still a need to educate road users on safely overtaking cyclists and other vulnerable road users. ENDS

    A return of nearly 1600 prosecutions is a very satisfactory harvest of idiot drivers caught on camera.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Oct 5 10:29:18 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: "Operation Snap took positive action against 1562 ‘close pass’ incidents in 2022. This highlights that there is still a need to educate
    road users on safely overtaking cyclists and other vulnerable road users. ENDS

    A return of nearly 1600 prosecutions is a very satisfactory harvest of
    idiot drivers caught on camera.

    How many ‘other vulnerable road users’ sent in a video and had a positive result? We’re any of them of pavement cyclists?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 03:43:55 2023
    QUOTE: A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn - has been up in court. ENDS

    No resident Mr Arsehole on tap? What a shame - take the rap, moron.

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Fri Oct 6 00:00:57 2023
    On 5/10/23 05:48, Spike wrote:
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver
    dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn
    - has been up in court. ENDS

    QED - If a lorry driver felt the need to sound his horn as a warning to
    the idiot driver, then it MUST have been dangerous. No wonder he got points and a fine.

    Perhaps the toot on the lorry’s hooter was just a polite ‘have you seen me?’. Not everyone is a Jeremy Vine.

    Possible.

    I was biking down a hill on a narrowish road, intending to take a right
    turn into a street ahead. I hear something behind me, so I pull hard
    left, intending that he overtake me. Nothing doing. ( the road is a bit
    narrow)
    I glance behind and see the large lorry slowed down behind me, not
    attempting to overtake. So I signal, and 2secs later turn right in front
    of him, giving him a wave of appreciation as I did so.
    I hear the toot of appreciation come from the lorry.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Thu Oct 5 13:52:44 2023
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 5/10/23 05:48, Spike wrote:
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver
    dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn >>> - has been up in court. ENDS

    QED - If a lorry driver felt the need to sound his horn as a warning to
    the idiot driver, then it MUST have been dangerous. No wonder he got points and a fine.

    Perhaps the toot on the lorry’s hooter was just a polite ‘have you seen >> me?’. Not everyone is a Jeremy Vine.

    Possible.

    I was biking down a hill on a narrowish road, intending to take a right
    turn into a street ahead. I hear something behind me, so I pull hard
    left, intending that he overtake me. Nothing doing. ( the road is a bit narrow)
    I glance behind and see the large lorry slowed down behind me, not
    attempting to overtake. So I signal, and 2secs later turn right in front
    of him, giving him a wave of appreciation as I did so.
    I hear the toot of appreciation come from the lorry.

    That’s great road craft on both your counts, showing sense on both sides.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Oct 5 13:52:44 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: A cyclist's helmet camera captured the moment a van driver
    dangerously overtook them, forcing an oncoming haulier to sound his horn
    - has been up in court. ENDS

    No resident Mr Arsehole on tap? What a shame - take the rap, moron.

    Mr Arsehole might well have asked why the cyclist swerved *into* the
    traffic rather than the other way; or asked why the cyclist didn’t brake. Both were viable options.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Thu Oct 5 08:17:47 2023
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 12:01:01 PM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:

    I glance behind and see the large lorry slowed down behind me, not attempting to overtake. So I signal, and 2secs later turn right in front
    of him, giving him a wave of appreciation as I did so.
    I hear the toot of appreciation come from the lorry.

    In this case, the horn was sounded by the trucker to warn a van driver that was driving straight at him that a collision was going to happen.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Oct 5 21:26:49 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 12:01:01 PM UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:

    I glance behind and see the large lorry slowed down behind me, not
    attempting to overtake. So I signal, and 2secs later turn right in front
    of him, giving him a wave of appreciation as I did so.
    I hear the toot of appreciation come from the lorry.

    In this case, the horn was sounded by the trucker to warn a van driver
    that was driving straight at him that a collision was going to happen.

    You were the truck driver! Is there no end to your talents?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 23:22:08 2023
    QUOTE: He admitted driving without due care and attention when he appeared in court in August and was sentenced in Welshpool Magistrates on September 12. Pope, from Caldecott Crescent, Whitchurch, was fined £176 and had his driving licence endorsed with
    four penalty points. He was also ordered to pay £110 costs and a £70 surcharge. ENDS

    The article is wrong about the distance. This is what the Highway code says. Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215). As a guide: leave at
    least 1.5 metres when overtaking cyclists at speeds of up to 30mph, and give them more space when overtaking at higher speeds."

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 6 20:42:50 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: He admitted driving without due care and attention when he
    appeared in court in August and was sentenced in Welshpool Magistrates on September 12. Pope, from Caldecott Crescent, Whitchurch, was fined £176
    and had his driving licence endorsed with four penalty points. He was
    also ordered to pay £110 costs and a £70 surcharge. ENDS

    The article is wrong about the distance. This is what the Highway code
    says. Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn
    vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see
    Rules 211 to 215). As a guide: leave at least 1.5 metres when overtaking cyclists at speeds of up to 30mph, and give them more space when
    overtaking at higher speeds."

    So the 1.5m distance is only a *GUIDE* and not a law.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 6 14:04:15 2023
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:22:10 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    QUOTE: He admitted driving without due care and attention when he appeared in court in August and was sentenced in Welshpool Magistrates on September 12. Pope, from Caldecott Crescent, Whitchurch, was fined £176 and had his driving licence endorsed
    with four penalty points. He was also ordered to pay £110 costs and a £70 surcharge. ENDS

    The article is wrong about the distance. This is what the Highway code says. Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and horse drawn vehicles at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 215). As a guide: leave at
    least 1.5 metres when overtaking cyclists at speeds of up to 30mph, and give them more space when overtaking at higher speeds."

    The majority of drivers have never even read the Highway code.

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