• [Cycling] An insignificant activity (1)

    From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 19 12:58:37 2023
    Extracted from official data:

    The average person in England in 2022

    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking

    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

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    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Sun Nov 19 14:11:56 2023
    On 19/11/2023 12:58 pm, Spike wrote:

    Extracted from official data:

    The average person in England in 2022

    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking

    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

    I would say that being retired, I am no longer representative of the
    average person when it comes to travel by other forms of transport.
    Today, my mileage and travelling time is well under average.

    But I still spend several multiples - more than ten, probably more than
    twenty - of hours per week travelling by motor car as compared with the
    average seven minutes by chav-cycles.

    When I was working and travelling nationally and internationally, I was probably beating the chav-cyclists' seven minutes by a factor of thirty
    every working day. And then there was my own social and domestic mileage
    to take into account.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Nov 19 23:04:47 2023
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 19/11/2023 12:58 pm, Spike wrote:

    Extracted from official data:

    The average person in England in 2022

    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking

    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

    I would say that being retired, I am no longer representative of the
    average person when it comes to travel by other forms of transport.
    Today, my mileage and travelling time is well under average.

    But I still spend several multiples - more than ten, probably more than twenty - of hours per week travelling by motor car as compared with the average seven minutes by chav-cycles.

    When I was working and travelling nationally and internationally, I was probably beating the chav-cyclists' seven minutes by a factor of thirty
    every working day. And then there was my own social and domestic mileage
    to take into account.

    I could only claim some 25x the cyclist’s 7 minutes per day, when I was working, due to commuting - but that was on a good day.

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Nov 20 12:57:55 2023
    On 20/11/23 01:58, Spike wrote:

    Extracted from official data:

    The average person in England in 2022

    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking

    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

    Thank God I am not average.
    I like being insignificant.
    I use a very convenient economical healthy viable means of transport.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Mon Nov 20 09:32:20 2023
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/11/23 01:58, Spike wrote:

    Extracted from official data:

    The average person in England in 2022

    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking

    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

    Thank God I am not average.
    I like being insignificant.
    I use a very convenient economical healthy viable means of transport.

    <Devil’s Advocate>
    But cycling can’t be healthy! Look at the continuing strident calls for
    ever more cycling infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make
    cyclists ‘feel safe’!
    And this is at a time when the UK’s cycling KSI rates are lower than the often-touted cycletopia enjoyed (sic) by the Dutch!
    </Devil’s Advocate>

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Mon Nov 20 23:31:54 2023
    On 20/11/23 22:32, Spike wrote:
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/11/23 01:58, Spike wrote:

    Extracted from official data:

    The average person in England in 2022

    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking

    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

    Thank God I am not average.
    I like being insignificant.
    I use a very convenient economical healthy viable means of transport.

    <Devil’s Advocate>
    But cycling can’t be healthy! Look at the continuing strident calls for ever more cycling infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make
    cyclists ‘feel safe’!
    And this is at a time when the UK’s cycling KSI rates are lower than the often-touted cycletopia enjoyed (sic) by the Dutch!
    </Devil’s Advocate>

    Please show that I have ever stridently called for "ever more cycling
    infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make cyclists ‘feel safe’!"
    I will ride my bike anywhere - cycling infrastructure or no.
    And I am not KSI'd yet.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Mon Nov 20 11:17:57 2023
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/11/23 22:32, Spike wrote:
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/11/23 01:58, Spike wrote:

    Extracted from official data:

    The average person in England in 2022

    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking

    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

    Thank God I am not average.
    I like being insignificant.
    I use a very convenient economical healthy viable means of transport.

    <Devil’s Advocate>
    But cycling can’t be healthy! Look at the continuing strident calls for
    ever more cycling infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make
    cyclists ‘feel safe’!
    And this is at a time when the UK’s cycling KSI rates are lower than the >> often-touted cycletopia enjoyed (sic) by the Dutch!
    </Devil’s Advocate>

    Please show that I have ever stridently called for "ever more cycling
    infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make cyclists ‘feel safe’!"

    Nice swerve, but easily spotted…

    I will ride my bike anywhere - cycling infrastructure or no.

    I’m glad to hear it.

    And I am not KSI'd yet.

    Let’s hope that happy state continues!



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    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Mon Nov 20 11:34:42 2023
    On 20/11/2023 10:31 am, Peter Keller wrote:

    On 20/11/23 22:32, Spike wrote:
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/11/23 01:58, Spike wrote:

    Extracted from official data:
    The average person in England in 2022
    - spent about 90 minutes a week travelling by walking
    - spent about 7 minutes a week travelling by cycle.

    Thank God I am not average.
    I like being insignificant.
    I use a very convenient economical healthy viable means of transport.

    <Devil’s Advocate>
    But cycling can’t be healthy! Look at the continuing strident calls for
    ever more cycling infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make
    cyclists ‘feel safe’!
    And this is at a time when the UK’s cycling KSI rates are lower than the >> often-touted cycletopia enjoyed (sic) by the Dutch!
    </Devil’s Advocate>

    Please show that I have ever stridently called for "ever more cycling
    infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make cyclists ‘feel safe’!" I will ride my bike anywhere - cycling infrastructure or no.
    And I am not KSI'd yet.

    All true.

    And an example to every one of us.

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Tue Nov 21 23:29:12 2023
    On 21/11/23 00:17, Spike wrote:
    Please show that I have ever stridently called for "ever more cycling
    infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make cyclists ‘feel safe’!"
    Nice swerve, but easily spotted…

    Eh? I don't understand.

    I have seen and used many bicycling farcilities. Almost without
    exception they increase inconvenience and danger to bicyclists.

    I am safer riding on the road where I can be seen properly.

    I see no point in wasting money for these farcilities. The people
    stridently calling for them are mostly scaredy-cat politically correct
    greenies who don't ride bikes themselves.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Tue Nov 21 14:27:57 2023
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 21/11/23 00:17, Spike wrote:
    Please show that I have ever stridently called for "ever more cycling
    infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make cyclists ‘feel safe’!"
    Nice swerve, but easily spotted…

    Eh? I don't understand.

    It’s not important…

    I have seen and used many bicycling farcilities. Almost without
    exception they increase inconvenience and danger to bicyclists.

    I am safer riding on the road where I can be seen properly.

    I see no point in wasting money for these farcilities. The people
    stridently calling for them are mostly scaredy-cat politically correct greenies who don't ride bikes themselves.

    The cycling media in the UK doesn’t agree with you. Without exception they clamour for more and more infra, new laws for drivers, harsher penalties
    for drivers, they rail against SUVs, use demands for more infra for
    pedestrians to cover their own demands, and dress it all up under the ‘climate change’ umbrella. Bike hire schemes are lauded, despite, for example, the one in Manchester resulting in its first 100,000km costing
    £436 for each 1.6 mile trip.

    The cycling world is more fabulous than Wonderland.

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Wed Nov 22 12:37:35 2023
    On 22/11/23 03:27, Spike wrote:
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 21/11/23 00:17, Spike wrote:
    Please show that I have ever stridently called for "ever more cycling
    infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make cyclists ‘feel safe’!"
    Nice swerve, but easily spotted…

    Eh? I don't understand.

    It’s not important…

    I have seen and used many bicycling farcilities. Almost without
    exception they increase inconvenience and danger to bicyclists.

    I am safer riding on the road where I can be seen properly.

    I see no point in wasting money for these farcilities. The people
    stridently calling for them are mostly scaredy-cat politically correct
    greenies who don't ride bikes themselves.

    The cycling media in the UK doesn’t agree with you. Without exception they clamour for more and more infra, new laws for drivers, harsher penalties
    for drivers, they rail against SUVs, use demands for more infra for pedestrians to cover their own demands, and dress it all up under the ‘climate change’ umbrella. Bike hire schemes are lauded, despite, for example, the one in Manchester resulting in its first 100,000km costing
    £436 for each 1.6 mile trip.

    The cycling world is more fabulous than Wonderland.

    I agree with all what you say there.
    However that does not stop me using my bike as a great and delightful
    means of transport.
    I personally have not ever "clamoured for more and more infra, new laws
    for drivers, harsher penalties for drivers, they rail against SUVs, use
    demands for more infra for pedestrians to cover their own demands, and
    dress it all up under the ‘climate change’ umbrella. Bike hire schemes
    are lauded, despite, for example, the one in Manchester resulting in its
    first 100,000km costing £436 for each 1.6 mile trip."

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Wed Nov 22 09:53:23 2023
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 22/11/23 03:27, Spike wrote:
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 21/11/23 00:17, Spike wrote:
    Please show that I have ever stridently called for "ever more cycling >>>>> infra to be paid for by someone else, just to make cyclists ‘feel safe’!"
    Nice swerve, but easily spotted…

    Eh? I don't understand.

    It’s not important…

    I have seen and used many bicycling farcilities. Almost without
    exception they increase inconvenience and danger to bicyclists.

    I am safer riding on the road where I can be seen properly.

    I see no point in wasting money for these farcilities. The people
    stridently calling for them are mostly scaredy-cat politically correct
    greenies who don't ride bikes themselves.

    The cycling media in the UK doesn’t agree with you. Without exception they >> clamour for more and more infra, new laws for drivers, harsher penalties
    for drivers, they rail against SUVs, use demands for more infra for
    pedestrians to cover their own demands, and dress it all up under the
    ‘climate change’ umbrella. Bike hire schemes are lauded, despite, for
    example, the one in Manchester resulting in its first 100,000km costing
    £436 for each 1.6 mile trip.

    The cycling world is more fabulous than Wonderland.

    I agree with all what you say there.

    Thanks!

    However that does not stop me using my bike as a great and delightful
    means of transport.

    And it shouldn’t, it certainly wasn’t meant to.

    Unfortunately, as a group, cyclists are their own worst enemy when it comes
    to interaction with the rest of the world, and people are beginning to
    react negatively with respect to the cycling media’s general attitude.

    I personally have not ever "clamoured for more and more infra, new laws
    for drivers, harsher penalties for drivers, they rail against SUVs, use demands for more infra for pedestrians to cover their own demands, and
    dress it all up under the ‘climate change’ umbrella. Bike hire schemes are lauded, despite, for example, the one in Manchester resulting in its first 100,000km costing £436 for each 1.6 mile trip."

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    Spike

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