• Auriol Grey released on bail...

    From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 23 13:25:37 2024
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68641891>

    QUOTE:
    A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling
    on a pavement has been released from prison pending an appeal against
    her conviction.
    Auriol Grey, 50, shouted towards retired midwife Celia Ward, 77, causing
    her to fall into the road in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, in 2020.
    Grey was given a three-year jail term for unlawful manslaughter last year.
    A Court of Appeal official told the BBC that she had been released on bail. Three judges gave Grey, of Bradbury Place, Huntingdon, the go-ahead to
    appeal against her conviction at a recent Court of Appeal hearing in London.
    A bail application was granted and judges are expected to oversee a full
    appeal hearing in May.
    She is understood to have returned home.
    The Court of Appeal heard Grey was charged with unlawful act
    manslaughter, which required that an unlawful action should take place
    to cause death.
    Her lawyers argued that no such action was considered by the jury at the original trial.
    "Auriol Grey is an autistic, disabled person with impaired vision," said solicitor Ben Rose.
    "In a case such as this, the prosecution is required to prove to the
    jury that she intended to cause Mrs Ward harm, or fear of harm.
    "We say this did not happen, and as a result will ask the Court of
    Appeal when the case is heard in May to quash Ms Grey's conviction."
    ENDQUOTE


    It's heartening to be able to conclude that Ms Grey's home is still
    available to her (as also, presumably, are her possessions contained
    within it).

    Let's cross our fingers for Ms Grey, who was, after all, arguably the
    victim in this case.

    BTW: The BBC says: "A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling on a pavement..."

    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not
    cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle
    unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sat Mar 23 14:15:46 2024
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68641891>

    QUOTE:
    A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling
    on a pavement has been released from prison pending an appeal against
    her conviction.
    Auriol Grey, 50, shouted towards retired midwife Celia Ward, 77, causing
    her to fall into the road in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, in 2020.
    Grey was given a three-year jail term for unlawful manslaughter last year.
    A Court of Appeal official told the BBC that she had been released on bail. Three judges gave Grey, of Bradbury Place, Huntingdon, the go-ahead to
    appeal against her conviction at a recent Court of Appeal hearing in London. A bail application was granted and judges are expected to oversee a full appeal hearing in May.
    She is understood to have returned home.
    The Court of Appeal heard Grey was charged with unlawful act
    manslaughter, which required that an unlawful action should take place
    to cause death.
    Her lawyers argued that no such action was considered by the jury at the original trial.
    "Auriol Grey is an autistic, disabled person with impaired vision," said solicitor Ben Rose.
    "In a case such as this, the prosecution is required to prove to the
    jury that she intended to cause Mrs Ward harm, or fear of harm.
    "We say this did not happen, and as a result will ask the Court of
    Appeal when the case is heard in May to quash Ms Grey's conviction."
    ENDQUOTE

    APPLAUSE! CHEERS!

    It's heartening to be able to conclude that Ms Grey's home is still
    available to her (as also, presumably, are her possessions contained
    within it).

    That is good news too.

    Let's cross our fingers for Ms Grey, who was, after all, arguably the
    victim in this case.

    BTW: The BBC says: "A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling on a pavement..."

    Like their pound of flesh, don’t they, the Guardian readers of the BBC.

    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

    Exactly. Let’s hope she’s due £££££ in compo.

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to Spike on Tue Mar 26 21:52:17 2024
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68641891>

    QUOTE:
    A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling
    on a pavement has been released from prison pending an appeal against
    her conviction.
    Auriol Grey, 50, shouted towards retired midwife Celia Ward, 77, causing
    her to fall into the road in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, in 2020.
    Grey was given a three-year jail term for unlawful manslaughter last year. >> A Court of Appeal official told the BBC that she had been released on bail. >> Three judges gave Grey, of Bradbury Place, Huntingdon, the go-ahead to
    appeal against her conviction at a recent Court of Appeal hearing in London. >> A bail application was granted and judges are expected to oversee a full
    appeal hearing in May.
    She is understood to have returned home.
    The Court of Appeal heard Grey was charged with unlawful act
    manslaughter, which required that an unlawful action should take place
    to cause death.
    Her lawyers argued that no such action was considered by the jury at the
    original trial.
    "Auriol Grey is an autistic, disabled person with impaired vision," said
    solicitor Ben Rose.
    "In a case such as this, the prosecution is required to prove to the
    jury that she intended to cause Mrs Ward harm, or fear of harm.
    "We say this did not happen, and as a result will ask the Court of
    Appeal when the case is heard in May to quash Ms Grey's conviction."
    ENDQUOTE

    APPLAUSE! CHEERS!

    It's heartening to be able to conclude that Ms Grey's home is still
    available to her (as also, presumably, are her possessions contained
    within it).

    That is good news too.

    Let's cross our fingers for Ms Grey, who was, after all, arguably the
    victim in this case.

    BTW: The BBC says: "A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a
    pensioner cycling on a pavement..."

    Like their pound of flesh, don’t they, the Guardian readers of the BBC.

    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not
    cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle
    unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

    Exactly. Let’s hope she’s due £££££ in compo.


    Indeed.

    The money should come from the Judge and the police involved personally.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Brian on Tue Mar 26 22:32:53 2024
    Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68641891>

    QUOTE:
    A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling
    on a pavement has been released from prison pending an appeal against
    her conviction.
    Auriol Grey, 50, shouted towards retired midwife Celia Ward, 77, causing >>> her to fall into the road in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, in 2020.
    Grey was given a three-year jail term for unlawful manslaughter last year. >>> A Court of Appeal official told the BBC that she had been released on bail. >>> Three judges gave Grey, of Bradbury Place, Huntingdon, the go-ahead to
    appeal against her conviction at a recent Court of Appeal hearing in London.
    A bail application was granted and judges are expected to oversee a full >>> appeal hearing in May.
    She is understood to have returned home.
    The Court of Appeal heard Grey was charged with unlawful act
    manslaughter, which required that an unlawful action should take place
    to cause death.
    Her lawyers argued that no such action was considered by the jury at the >>> original trial.
    "Auriol Grey is an autistic, disabled person with impaired vision," said >>> solicitor Ben Rose.
    "In a case such as this, the prosecution is required to prove to the
    jury that she intended to cause Mrs Ward harm, or fear of harm.
    "We say this did not happen, and as a result will ask the Court of
    Appeal when the case is heard in May to quash Ms Grey's conviction."
    ENDQUOTE

    APPLAUSE! CHEERS!

    It's heartening to be able to conclude that Ms Grey's home is still
    available to her (as also, presumably, are her possessions contained
    within it).

    That is good news too.

    Let's cross our fingers for Ms Grey, who was, after all, arguably the
    victim in this case.

    BTW: The BBC says: "A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a >>> pensioner cycling on a pavement..."

    Like their pound of flesh, don’t they, the Guardian readers of the BBC.

    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not >>> cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle
    unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

    Exactly. Let’s hope she’s due £££££ in compo.


    Indeed.

    The money should come from the Judge and the police involved personally.

    Should Auriol Grey have her conviction quashed, surely that means that the judge made some kind of error? If so, does that mean he gets sanctioned in
    some way, or undergo some form of training?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Wed Mar 27 15:22:51 2024
    On 26/03/2024 10:32 pm, Spike wrote:
    Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68641891>

    QUOTE:
    A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling >>>> on a pavement has been released from prison pending an appeal against
    her conviction.
    Auriol Grey, 50, shouted towards retired midwife Celia Ward, 77, causing >>>> her to fall into the road in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, in 2020.
    Grey was given a three-year jail term for unlawful manslaughter last year. >>>> A Court of Appeal official told the BBC that she had been released on bail.
    Three judges gave Grey, of Bradbury Place, Huntingdon, the go-ahead to >>>> appeal against her conviction at a recent Court of Appeal hearing in London.
    A bail application was granted and judges are expected to oversee a full >>>> appeal hearing in May.
    She is understood to have returned home.
    The Court of Appeal heard Grey was charged with unlawful act
    manslaughter, which required that an unlawful action should take place >>>> to cause death.
    Her lawyers argued that no such action was considered by the jury at the >>>> original trial.
    "Auriol Grey is an autistic, disabled person with impaired vision," said >>>> solicitor Ben Rose.
    "In a case such as this, the prosecution is required to prove to the
    jury that she intended to cause Mrs Ward harm, or fear of harm.
    "We say this did not happen, and as a result will ask the Court of
    Appeal when the case is heard in May to quash Ms Grey's conviction."
    ENDQUOTE

    APPLAUSE! CHEERS!

    It's heartening to be able to conclude that Ms Grey's home is still
    available to her (as also, presumably, are her possessions contained
    within it).

    That is good news too.

    Let's cross our fingers for Ms Grey, who was, after all, arguably the
    victim in this case.

    BTW: The BBC says: "A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a >>>> pensioner cycling on a pavement..."

    Like their pound of flesh, don’t they, the Guardian readers of the BBC. >>>
    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not >>>> cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle
    unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

    Exactly. Let’s hope she’s due £££££ in compo.


    Indeed.

    The money should come from the Judge and the police involved personally.

    Should Auriol Grey have her conviction quashed, surely that means that the judge made some kind of error? If so, does that mean he gets sanctioned in some way, or undergo some form of training?

    It was the jury who returned the verdict, albeit perhaps under defective directions from the judge.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Wed Mar 27 17:10:33 2024
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    On 26/03/2024 10:32 pm, Spike wrote:
    Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68641891>

    QUOTE:
    A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling >>>>> on a pavement has been released from prison pending an appeal against >>>>> her conviction.
    Auriol Grey, 50, shouted towards retired midwife Celia Ward, 77, causing >>>>> her to fall into the road in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, in 2020.
    Grey was given a three-year jail term for unlawful manslaughter last year.
    A Court of Appeal official told the BBC that she had been released on bail.
    Three judges gave Grey, of Bradbury Place, Huntingdon, the go-ahead to >>>>> appeal against her conviction at a recent Court of Appeal hearing in London.
    A bail application was granted and judges are expected to oversee a full >>>>> appeal hearing in May.
    She is understood to have returned home.
    The Court of Appeal heard Grey was charged with unlawful act
    manslaughter, which required that an unlawful action should take place >>>>> to cause death.
    Her lawyers argued that no such action was considered by the jury at the >>>>> original trial.
    "Auriol Grey is an autistic, disabled person with impaired vision," said >>>>> solicitor Ben Rose.
    "In a case such as this, the prosecution is required to prove to the >>>>> jury that she intended to cause Mrs Ward harm, or fear of harm.
    "We say this did not happen, and as a result will ask the Court of
    Appeal when the case is heard in May to quash Ms Grey's conviction." >>>>> ENDQUOTE

    APPLAUSE! CHEERS!

    It's heartening to be able to conclude that Ms Grey's home is still
    available to her (as also, presumably, are her possessions contained >>>>> within it).

    That is good news too.

    Let's cross our fingers for Ms Grey, who was, after all, arguably the >>>>> victim in this case.

    BTW: The BBC says: "A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a >>>>> pensioner cycling on a pavement..."

    Like their pound of flesh, don’t they, the Guardian readers of the BBC. >>>>
    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not >>>>> cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle >>>>> unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

    Exactly. Let’s hope she’s due £££££ in compo.


    Indeed.

    The money should come from the Judge and the police involved personally.

    Should Auriol Grey have her conviction quashed, surely that means that the >> judge made some kind of error? If so, does that mean he gets sanctioned in >> some way, or undergo some form of training?

    It was the jury who returned the verdict, albeit perhaps under defective directions from the judge.

    The latter is what I was driving at…oops, can I say that in a cycling
    group, cyclists being so touchy?

    But anyway, I’ll continue to monitor progress in the case, and hope that
    this time the justice system arrives at the right answer.

    Parenthetically, I can see another ’war of words’ between the protagonists on the legal group when this result is promulgated…🪖

    --
    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Thu Mar 28 00:51:09 2024
    On 27/03/2024 05:10 pm, Spike wrote:

    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    On 26/03/2024 10:32 pm, Spike wrote:
    Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:

    [ ... ]

    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not >>>>>> cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle >>>>>> unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

    Exactly. Let’s hope she’s due £££££ in compo.

    Indeed.
    The money should come from the Judge and the police involved personally.

    Should Auriol Grey have her conviction quashed, surely that means that the >>> judge made some kind of error? If so, does that mean he gets sanctioned in >>> some way, or undergo some form of training?

    It was the jury who returned the verdict, albeit perhaps under defective
    directions from the judge.

    The latter is what I was driving at…oops, can I say that in a cycling group, cyclists being so touchy?
    But anyway, I’ll continue to monitor progress in the case, and hope that this time the justice system arrives at the right answer.
    Parenthetically, I can see another ’war of words’ between the protagonists
    on the legal group when this result is promulgated…🪖

    ;-)

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  • From Brian@21:1/5 to JNugent on Tue Apr 2 10:42:55 2024
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    On 26/03/2024 10:32 pm, Spike wrote:
    Brian <noinv@lid.org> wrote:
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
    JNugent <jnugent97@mail.com> wrote:
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68641891>

    QUOTE:
    A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a pensioner cycling >>>>> on a pavement has been released from prison pending an appeal against >>>>> her conviction.
    Auriol Grey, 50, shouted towards retired midwife Celia Ward, 77, causing >>>>> her to fall into the road in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, in 2020.
    Grey was given a three-year jail term for unlawful manslaughter last year.
    A Court of Appeal official told the BBC that she had been released on bail.
    Three judges gave Grey, of Bradbury Place, Huntingdon, the go-ahead to >>>>> appeal against her conviction at a recent Court of Appeal hearing in London.
    A bail application was granted and judges are expected to oversee a full >>>>> appeal hearing in May.
    She is understood to have returned home.
    The Court of Appeal heard Grey was charged with unlawful act
    manslaughter, which required that an unlawful action should take place >>>>> to cause death.
    Her lawyers argued that no such action was considered by the jury at the >>>>> original trial.
    "Auriol Grey is an autistic, disabled person with impaired vision," said >>>>> solicitor Ben Rose.
    "In a case such as this, the prosecution is required to prove to the >>>>> jury that she intended to cause Mrs Ward harm, or fear of harm.
    "We say this did not happen, and as a result will ask the Court of
    Appeal when the case is heard in May to quash Ms Grey's conviction." >>>>> ENDQUOTE

    APPLAUSE! CHEERS!

    It's heartening to be able to conclude that Ms Grey's home is still
    available to her (as also, presumably, are her possessions contained >>>>> within it).

    That is good news too.

    Let's cross our fingers for Ms Grey, who was, after all, arguably the >>>>> victim in this case.

    BTW: The BBC says: "A disabled woman whose actions led to the death of a >>>>> pensioner cycling on a pavement..."

    Like their pound of flesh, don’t they, the Guardian readers of the BBC. >>>>
    The whole point of the appeal and Ms Grey's defence was that she did not >>>>> cause the death. And in any case, the collision with another vehicle >>>>> unarguably occurred on the carriageway.

    Exactly. Let’s hope she’s due £££££ in compo.


    Indeed.

    The money should come from the Judge and the police involved personally.

    Should Auriol Grey have her conviction quashed, surely that means that the >> judge made some kind of error? If so, does that mean he gets sanctioned in >> some way, or undergo some form of training?

    It was the jury who returned the verdict, albeit perhaps under defective directions from the judge.


    The jury were fed misleading information, including the status of the
    pavement- which was pedestrian only.

    The cyclist lost control / fell off her bike while riding on a pavement illegally. There is no evidence she was pushed. At most she was shouted at,
    not unreasonably, given Ms Grey was in fear of being injured or worse.

    Ms Grey should not only be released but receive substantial compensation - personally funded by those involved in this prosecution.

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