Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need
to change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching
service will end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their
records.
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need to change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching service
will end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their records.
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need to >change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching service
will end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their records.
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need to change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching service will
end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their
records.
On 10/01/2022 15:13, MB wrote:
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need toSame for my mother, she has a spring reserve switch too, (that is about 12 hours out), and a two phase/four meter arrangement that no other supplier than SSE (SEB in old money) will support.
change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching service will
end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their
records.
I suspect she will be receiving a letter too. I was rather hoping the
'issue' would out live her !
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:13:08 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need to >>change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching serviceYou can refuse to have smart meters fitted. See:- https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/getting-smart-meter
will end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned >>clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their >>records.
--
brightysidse S9
Might the letter may be shorthand for "because the Teleswitching service
ends in 2023 we'll be ending all Economy 7 and like tarrifs other than
those which use a Smart Meter"? I'm not aware that Ofcom or other regulatiosn require suppliers to offer a clockwork-based tariff. (Most suppliers don't offer Economy 7.) And doubt you'd get a lot of sympathy
if it was pointed out that clockwork allows people to play the system to
- say - charge their EV with cheap power during periods of peak demand.
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need to change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching service
will end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their
records.
On 10/01/2022 17:25, Robin wrote:
Might the letter may be shorthand for "because the Teleswitching service
ends in 2023 we'll be ending all Economy 7 and like tarrifs other than
those which use a Smart Meter"? I'm not aware that Ofcom or other
regulatiosn require suppliers to offer a clockwork-based tariff. (Most
suppliers don't offer Economy 7.) And doubt you'd get a lot of sympathy
if it was pointed out that clockwork allows people to play the system to
- say - charge their EV with cheap power during periods of peak demand.
It says that the night time rates will end when the Teleswitching is
not there to switch.
Why not just switch it with a conventional radio controlled clock. There
used to be loads of those about for water heaters on off peak, Most were just time switches with digital control sealed against customer tampering.
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/01/2022 17:34, MB wrote:With a smart meter you don’t need any form of switch.
On 10/01/2022 17:25, Robin wrote:That's ridiculous. Do you have storage heating. How do they expect you
Might the letter may be shorthand for "because the Teleswitching service >>>> ends in 2023 we'll be ending all Economy 7 and like tarrifs other than >>>> those which use a Smart Meter"? I'm not aware that Ofcom or othernot there to switch.
regulatiosn require suppliers to offer a clockwork-based tariff. (Most >>>> suppliers don't offer Economy 7.) And doubt you'd get a lot of sympathy >>>> if it was pointed out that clockwork allows people to play the system to >>>> - say - charge their EV with cheap power during periods of peak demand. >>> It says that the night time rates will end when the Teleswitching is
to 'charge' them up for 7 hours a day at 18p/unit ?
I thought it's all supposed to be a non gas future for domestic heating !
On 10/01/2022 17:34, MB wrote:
On 10/01/2022 17:25, Robin wrote:
Might the letter may be shorthand for "because the Teleswitching service >>> ends in 2023 we'll be ending all Economy 7 and like tarrifs other than
those which use a Smart Meter"? I'm not aware that Ofcom or other
regulatiosn require suppliers to offer a clockwork-based tariff. (Most >>> suppliers don't offer Economy 7.) And doubt you'd get a lot of sympathy
if it was pointed out that clockwork allows people to play the system to >>> - say - charge their EV with cheap power during periods of peak demand.
It says that the night time rates will end when the Teleswitching is
not there to switch.
That's ridiculous. Do you have storage heating. How do they expect you
to 'charge' them up for 7 hours a day at 18p/unit ?
I thought it's all supposed to be a non gas future for domestic heating !
On 10/01/2022 18:24, Tweed wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Well, I might pre empt my mother's situation when Spring arrives. I'll
On 10/01/2022 17:34, MB wrote:With a smart meter you don’t need any form of switch.
On 10/01/2022 17:25, Robin wrote:That's ridiculous. Do you have storage heating. How do they expect you >>> to 'charge' them up for 7 hours a day at 18p/unit ?
Might the letter may be shorthand for "because the Teleswitching service >>>>> ends in 2023 we'll be ending all Economy 7 and like tarrifs other than >>>>> those which use a Smart Meter"? I'm not aware that Ofcom or othernot there to switch.
regulatiosn require suppliers to offer a clockwork-based tariff. (Most >>>>> suppliers don't offer Economy 7.) And doubt you'd get a lot of sympathy >>>>> if it was pointed out that clockwork allows people to play the system to >>>>> - say - charge their EV with cheap power during periods of peak demand. >>>> It says that the night time rates will end when the Teleswitching is
I thought it's all supposed to be a non gas future for domestic heating ! >>>
need to be there, her electrical system covers an area of wall that's
1.5 metres wide, by about 700mm 'high', in the hallway. Quite how the
SEB felt that was aesthetically acceptable (even in 1966) is beyond me.
My late father enclosed the lot in a cupboard he built around it,
Four smart meters all in the same place, I hope the bloke that turns up
knows what he's doing, and the mouse clickers back at base don't get the
ID codes etc muddled up on her account.
As I say, I really was hoping not to have to get involved
On 10/01/2022 18:24, Tweed wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
That is one reason I will not be installing gas in my new-to-me flat and shop.I thought it's all supposed to be a non gas future for domestic heating ! >>>
If you have storage heaters, it has been pointed out upthread somewhere
With a smart meter you don’t need any form of switch.
that you need a way to tell them that "electricity is now (relatively)
cheap" or they are likely to end up storing expensive energy. Or you
could install IoT switching that can be remotely controlled.
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:That is one reason I will not be installing gas in my new-to-me flat and
I thought it's all supposed to be a non gas future for domestic heating !
With a smart meter you don’t need any form of switch.
In article <j43a9tFtldgU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
It says that the night time rates will end when the Teleswitching is
not there to switch.
That's ridiculous. Do you have storage heating. How do they expect you
to 'charge' them up for 7 hours a day at 18p/unit ?
Not a problem, you'll be charging them at 7 hours a day at
probably north of 33p a unit by then!
It says that the night time rates will end when the Teleswitching is
not there to switch.
That's ridiculous. Do you have storage heating. How do they expect you
to 'charge' them up for 7 hours a day at 18p/unit ?
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need to change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching service
will end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their
records.
One good thing about electricity at the moment is that the cost ofThat's ridiculous. Do you have storage heating. How do they expect you >>> to 'charge' them up for 7 hours a day at 18p/unit ?
Not a problem, you'll be charging them at 7 hours a day at
probably north of 33p a unit by then!
producing it is not going up nearly as fast as the cost of gas, as over
half of it it made by renewable and nuclear sources, so the increase due
to the cost of gas should not be too steep. Unless the suppliers jump on
the bandwagon, hoping we don't realise. :-/
Mine sent me a letter telling me they needed to change my meter because
it is out of calibration.
"But what about the calibration?" I asked.
"Oh that doesn't matter".
In article <j43jg2FttsU1@mid.individual.net>,[]
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
One good thing about electricity at the moment is that the cost of >>producing it is not going up nearly as fast as the cost of gas, as over >>half of it it made by renewable and nuclear sources, so the increase due
to the cost of gas should not be too steep. Unless the suppliers jump on >>the bandwagon, hoping we don't realise. :-/
Current fix due to end this month :-[]
Standing/day: 16.66p[]
Standing/day: 13.77p[]
Proposed "We're not jumping on the bandwagon or ripping you off" fixed
Standing/day: 34.28p[]
Standing/day: 33.42p
Now, you tell me :-
Electricity price to almost *double*, fixed for a year to come (yay!) >presumably ALL the electricity is really coming from Burning Gas
and nothing is really generated by the windmills, wave machines,
nukes and solar ... despite so-called green/eco/credentials.
**Standing charges** due to more than double (due to the increased
wholesale cost and shortages of "standing" caused by Covid/Brexit/
Ship Stuck In The Suez etc...)
As per Martin Lewis. "Do nothing!". Go to standard variable (currently >cheaper to April) and hope this nonsense stops soon.
For people on 100% "eco" tarrifs, where *every* unit of electricity
comes from unicorns on treadmills etc -- they will of course be the
true test: Their bills will remain untouched, right? ;)
The cynic in me says otherwise.
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:13:08 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need to >>change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching serviceYou can refuse to have smart meters fitted. See:- >https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/ >getting-smart-meter
will end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned >>clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their records. >>
They may be able to (or do a damn good job of pretending) that you need
to have a remote meter (note lack of use of word "smart"!) if you want
to continue to have a dual-rate timed supply.
Current fix due to end this month :-Ha, yes, very interesting. They are doing all they can to 'front load'
Day/kWh: 15.27p
Night/kWh: 11.29p
Standing/day: 16.66p
Gas/kWh: 2.78p
Standing/day: 13.77p
Proposed "We're not jumping on the bandwagon or ripping you off" fixed tarriff :-
Day/kWh: 29.86p
Night/kWh: 19.3p
Standing/day: 34.28p
Gas/kWh: 7.47p
Standing/day: 33.42p
Now, you tell me :-
Electricity price to almost *double*, fixed for a year to come (yay!) presumably ALL the electricity is really coming from Burning Gas
and nothing is really generated by the windmills, wave machines,
nukes and solar ... despite so-called green/eco/credentials.
**Standing charges** due to more than double (due to the increased
wholesale cost and shortages of "standing" caused by Covid/Brexit/
Ship Stuck In The Suez etc...)
As per Martin Lewis. "Do nothing!". Go to standard variable (currently cheaper to April) and hope this nonsense stops soon.
For people on 100% "eco" tarrifs, where *every* unit of electricity
comes from unicorns on treadmills etc -- they will of course be the
true test: Their bills will remain untouched, right? ;)
The cynic in me says otherwise.
On 10/01/2022 15:13, MB wrote:
Just had a letter from the electricity supplier to say that they need toMight the letter may be shorthand for "because the Teleswitching service
change my meter to a "Smart" Meter because the Teleswitching service will
end in March 2023.
Only thing is that my day/night switching uses a good old fashioned
clockwork time-switch! Does not say a lot for the accuracy of their
records.
ends in 2023 we'll be ending all Economy 7 and like tarrifs other than
those which use a Smart Meter"? I'm not aware that Ofcom or other regulatiosn require suppliers to offer a clockwork-based tariff. (Most suppliers don't offer Economy 7.) And doubt you'd get a lot of sympathy if
it was pointed out that clockwork allows people to play the system to -
say - charge their EV with cheap power during periods of peak demand.
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
On 10/01/2022 17:34, MB wrote:
On 10/01/2022 17:25, Robin wrote:
Might the letter may be shorthand for "because the Teleswitching service >>> ends in 2023 we'll be ending all Economy 7 and like tarrifs other than
those which use a Smart Meter"? I'm not aware that Ofcom or other
regulatiosn require suppliers to offer a clockwork-based tariff. (Most
suppliers don't offer Economy 7.) And doubt you'd get a lot of sympathy
if it was pointed out that clockwork allows people to play the system to >>> - say - charge their EV with cheap power during periods of peak demand.
It says that the night time rates will end when the Teleswitching is not
there to switch.
That's ridiculous. Do you have storage heating. How do they expect you to 'charge' them up for 7 hours a day at 18p/unit ?
I thought it's all supposed to be a non gas future for domestic heating !
On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 at 21:25:33, Mike <mjb@signal11.invalid> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
In article <j43jg2FttsU1@mid.individual.net>,[]
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
One good thing about electricity at the moment is that the cost of >>>producing it is not going up nearly as fast as the cost of gas, as over >>>half of it it made by renewable and nuclear sources, so the increase due >>>to the cost of gas should not be too steep. Unless the suppliers jump on >>>the bandwagon, hoping we don't realise. :-/
Naw, they wouldn't do that, would they (-:!
[]
Current fix due to end this month :-
Standing/day: 16.66p[]
Standing/day: 13.77p[]
Proposed "We're not jumping on the bandwagon or ripping you off" fixed
Standing/day: 34.28p[]
Standing/day: 33.42p
Now, you tell me :-
Electricity price to almost *double*, fixed for a year to come (yay!) >>presumably ALL the electricity is really coming from Burning Gas
and nothing is really generated by the windmills, wave machines,
nukes and solar ... despite so-called green/eco/credentials.
I follow @NationalGridESO, who put out a daily tweet of where the nation's electricity comes from. The top two sources are nearly always wind and
gas - usually about 30% each (the 4.37pm tweet on the 10th has 30.0% gas, 28.5% wind, as part of 56% "low carbon", which includes nuclear [and solar and hydro, but those are small - 1.4% and 2.3% in that tweet, which is typical]). Sometimes gas is ahead, sometimes wind, but they average out at about 30% each, with the rest making up the slack.
**Standing charges** due to more than double (due to the increased >>wholesale cost and shortages of "standing" caused by Covid/Brexit/
Ship Stuck In The Suez etc...)
That's the most insidious of all these, and I don't think there's any
viable justification (so "because we can" is the only real reason).
As per Martin Lewis. "Do nothing!". Go to standard variable (currently >>cheaper to April) and hope this nonsense stops soon.
I cant see how it's going to stop. Or are you saying wholesale prices will drop?
For people on 100% "eco" tarrifs, where *every* unit of electricity
comes from unicorns on treadmills etc -- they will of course be the
true test: Their bills will remain untouched, right? ;)
Wow, I hadn't thought of that! Yes, they shouldn't, other than a secondary effect. I'm surprised no-one else has picked up on this!
Me too (-:
The cynic in me says otherwise.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
I don't like activity holidays. I like /inactivity/ holidays.
- Miriam Margolyes, RT 2017/4/15-21
Apparently the magic words are 5 port smart meter. This has a separate switched output for the storage heater circuit.Thank you Mr Tweed. I've written that on a Post It sticker, and it's
I'm inclined to send them my gas reading every single day, and see what happens
In article <j44u23F8dtrU2@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 10/01/2022 19:46, Tweed wrote:
Apparently the magic words are 5 port smart meter. This has a separateThank you Mr Tweed. I've written that on a Post It sticker, and it's
switched output for the storage heater circuit.
pinned to my notice board
you could write the time on the sticker, too. Save looking at your watch.
On 10/01/2022 19:46, Tweed wrote:
Apparently the magic words are 5 port smart meter. This has a separate switched output for the storage heater circuit.Thank you Mr Tweed. I've written that on a Post It sticker, and it's
pinned to my notice board
I'm inclined to send them my gas reading every single day, and see what >happens
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm inclined to send them my gas reading every single day, and see what
happens
Do not do this. I broke First Utility/Shell's already broken
billing system by taking this tack when they annoyed me ...
Agreement is: "You provide us with monthly readings".
"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:j4bajpFfg6gU1@mid.individual.net...
mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm inclined to send them my gas reading every single day, and see what >>>> happens
Do not do this. I broke First Utility/Shell's already broken
billing system by taking this tack when they annoyed me ...
Agreement is: "You provide us with monthly readings".
I'm still mid-switch from UtilityPoint to EDF (4 months ago tomorrow
and still counting).
They only want readings every 6 months, and do advise against sending
them more frequently.
We're with Octopus. They allow you to send readings (for example) every
month and they will bill you based on your readings - so your bill
fluctuates as your usage does, instead of you having to pay an average, estimated amount which leaves you in credit at some times and even more
in credit at others ;-)
When I was with Southern Electric, there were only two choices: pay an average estimated amount, the same every month - but by Direct Debit if
you want; or pay the exact amount on the bill, but it must be by cheque
or BACS, and not by direct debit. They didn't have a system to do direct debits of variable amounts depending on how usage changes from month to month. I ran up a large credit and wanted to claim some of it back. I
was told (and I'm not sure whether I believe this) that the only time I
could get my excess credit back (because I'd been charged for more than
I 'd used) was if I closed the account when I moved house; they even
claimed (surely wrongly) that if I switched to another supplier, the
credit would be transferred and could not be returned to me. I do
suspect that the person I spoke to may not have been telling me official company policy but was instead telling me porkies because she'd had a
hard day.
mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm inclined to send them my gas reading every single day, and see what
happens
Do not do this. I broke First Utility/Shell's already broken
billing system by taking this tack when they annoyed me ...
Agreement is: "You provide us with monthly readings".
I'm still mid-switch from UtilityPoint to EDF (4 months ago tomorrow and still counting).
They only want readings every 6 months, and do advise against sending them more frequently.
I'm still mid-switch from UtilityPoint to EDF (4 months ago tomorrow and still
counting).
On Thu 13/01/2022 19:59, NY wrote:[]
We're with Octopus. They allow you to send readings (for example)
every month and they will bill you based on your readings - so your
bill fluctuates as your usage does, instead of you having to pay an >>average, estimated amount which leaves you in credit at some times
and even more in credit at others ;-)
When I was with Southern Electric, there were only two choices: pay
an average estimated amount, the same every month - but by Direct
Debit if you want; or pay the exact amount on the bill, but it must
be by cheque or BACS, and not by direct debit. They didn't have a
system to do direct debits of variable amounts depending on how usage >>changes from month to month. I ran up a large credit and wanted to
claim some of it back. I was told (and I'm not sure whether I believe >>this) that the only time I could get my excess credit back (because
I'd been charged for more than I 'd used) was if I closed the account
when I moved house; they even claimed (surely wrongly) that if I
switched to another supplier, the credit would be transferred and
could not be returned to me. I do suspect that the person I spoke to
may not have been telling me official company policy but was instead >>telling me porkies because she'd had a hard day.
+1 Octopus Energy
If its good enough for M&S........
On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 20:03:15, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
On Thu 13/01/2022 19:59, NY wrote:[]
 We're with Octopus. They allow you to send readings (for example)
every month and they will bill you based on your readings - so your
bill fluctuates as your usage does, instead of you having to pay an
average, estimated amount which leaves you in credit at some times
and even more in credit at others ;-)
Same here - though only with type 1 (or whatever the term is) smart meters.
I had considerable trouble getting them to just bill me (they do it by
DD) for what I'd used rather than the rolling average, though - though I admit once it was set up, it hasn't been a problem (the e-bills just say
"you elect to pay for what you use" or a similar phrasing). [They make
the bills look complicated - especially if the tariff changes - but that seems to be universal across all service providers (Bt being one of the
worst I've seen so far).]
 When I was with Southern Electric, there were only two choices: pay
an average estimated amount, the same every month - but by Direct
Debit if you want; or pay the exact amount on the bill, but it must
be by cheque or BACS, and not by direct debit. They didn't have a
system to do direct debits of variable amounts depending on how
usage changes from month to month. I ran up a large credit and
wanted to
(Fortunately Octopus seem not to have any problem there.)
[I've had something similar with tsoHost (for hosting services, notclaim some of it back. IÂ was told (and I'm not sure whether I
believe this) that the only time IÂ could get my excess credit back
(because I'd been charged for more than I 'd used) was if I closed
the account when I moved house; they even claimed (surely wrongly)
that if I switched to another supplier, the credit would be
transferred and could not be returned to me. I do suspect that the
person I spoke to may not have been telling me official company
policy but was instead telling me porkies because she'd had a hard day. >>
energy) - they extracted a payment from me despite my having more credit
than was needed to pay both bills.]
+1 Octopus Energy
Sort of. They're far from perfect, but less bother than some others I've tried. Their TV ad.s imply they've won something from Which for a few
years running, for whatever little that's worth. Though I haven't seen
any of those ad.s since shortly after all the energy companies have been obliged to sell us energy at less than they're paying for it! Though the
ad.s _did_ continue for a short while after that became the case, which puzzled me. I thought they'd pull them as soon as getting more customers
hurt them.)
Well ... it's Octopus _pretending_ to be M&S. I found dealing with them direct was far more effective, though I'm _nominally_ still getting from
If its good enough for M&S........
M&S, through lethargy. A few years ago M&S changed their pretend
supplier - previously they resold I think it was sse. (Who were one of
the more impenetrable bill providers I had the misfortune to deal with -
not least, they wanted gas and electric paid separately.)
Has anyone, with a smart meter, experienced a hostile remote switch-off?
The capability is there, technically. I quizzed the chap installing
mine, and he assured me it couldn't be done without a court order - but
on further prodding, he agreed it could be changed to a prepaid meter remotely, and if it has that capability, it has the remote cutoff
ability at least technically. I can't help wondering if that aspect -
_never_ mentioned in all of the publicity! - is one reason the suppliers
are so keen on smart meter fitting, anticipating changes in legislation (which I fear they would get) that enables them to do it more easily.
The main reason for not having a SM on my systems is the charging. <IF>
they can read your meter as often as they wish it will not take long to establish a usage pattern. They can then change their unit charges <to
you only> for say, low medium or high demand and then charge you (me)
the highest unit rate when I am on highest use and make more money out
of me without doing anything to justify it.
Smart Meter? Not bl**dy likely!
In article <j44tu1F8dtrU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm inclined to send them my gas reading every single day, and see what:)
happens
Do not do this.
On 11/01/2022 19:42, Mike wrote:
In article <j44tu1F8dtrU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm inclined to send them my gas reading every single day, and:)
see what happens
Do not do this.
I've just read the gas meter, I've subtracted 15 units from the
actual reading, and sent that to them. Let's see what they
'estimate' my use at now !
With energy prices going up one could add units to the bill therefore
saving money as you're buying them at a cheaper price! :)
In article <j4ni7lFpkndU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ashley Booth <removetab@snglinks.com> wrote:
With energy prices going up one could add units to the bill therefore
saving money as you're buying them at a cheaper price! :)
Now there's a tip Martin Lewis couldn't give out ;)
Of course they could normally argue SUBTRACTING units from the
bill is fraud, under-declaring your usage etc.
So, if you're ADDING units to the bill, then ... that can't
be fraud, right? Even though, under *current* conditions, it
would end up saving you money long-term.
I suppose all you're doing is what the energy companies
do, pre-buy energy "options" for future energy when it looks
cheap to avoid some of the rises. Sauce for goose ...
Another good reason not to have a smart meter!
On Tue 18/01/2022 22:25, Mike wrote:
In article <j4ni7lFpkndU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ashley Booth <removetab@snglinks.com> wrote:
With energy prices going up one could add units to the billNow there's a tip Martin Lewis couldn't give out ;)
therefore
saving money as you're buying them at a cheaper price! :)
Of course they could normally argue SUBTRACTING units from the
bill is fraud, under-declaring your usage etc.
So, if you're ADDING units to the bill, then ... that can't
be fraud, right? Even though, under *current* conditions, it
would end up saving you money long-term.
I suppose all you're doing is what the energy companies
do, pre-buy energy "options" for future energy when it looks
cheap to avoid some of the rises. Sauce for goose ...
Another good reason not to have a smart meter!
However the supply company has a history of your usage so unless there
was a particular and substantial change in the weather pattern to cause
it they would catch on quite quickly (they probably have software that >watches it all the time) and pay you a visit to get accurate meter
readings.
In article <j4ni7lFpkndU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ashley Booth <removetab@snglinks.com> wrote:
With energy prices going up one could add units to the bill therefore
saving money as you're buying them at a cheaper price! :)
Now there's a tip Martin Lewis couldn't give out ;)
Of course they could normally argue SUBTRACTING units from the
bill is fraud, under-declaring your usage etc.
So, if you're ADDING units to the bill, then ... that can't
be fraud, right? Even though, under *current* conditions, it
would end up saving you money long-term.
I suppose all you're doing is what the energy companies
do, pre-buy energy "options" for future energy when it looks
cheap to avoid some of the rises. Sauce for goose ...
On 18/01/2022 22:25, Mike wrote:
In article <j4ni7lFpkndU1@mid.individual.net>,
Ashley Booth <removetab@snglinks.com> wrote:
With energy prices going up one could add units to the bill therefore
saving money as you're buying them at a cheaper price! :)
Now there's a tip Martin Lewis couldn't give out ;)
Of course they could normally argue SUBTRACTING units from the
bill is fraud, under-declaring your usage etc.
So, if you're ADDING units to the bill, then ... that can't
be fraud, right? Even though, under *current* conditions, it
would end up saving you money long-term.
You'd be giving a reading:
a. that's false;
b. that you know is false
c. so you gain/the supplier loses
which adds up to fraud by false representation.
Of course chances of being caught are slim and of being prosecuted vanishingly small.
I suppose all you're doing is what the energy companies
do, pre-buy energy "options" for future energy when it looks
cheap to avoid some of the rises. Sauce for goose ...
No. The equivalent of suppliers who hedge is your signing up to a fixed price deal.
Now there's a tip Martin Lewis couldn't give out ;)
However the supply company has a history of your usage so unless there
was a particular and substantial change in the weather pattern to cause
it they would catch on quite quickly (they probably have software that >watches it all the time) and pay you a visit to get accurate meter readings.
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