The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter
for
much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the
live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked
up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it's done.
The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter for much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the
live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked
up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
On 11/09/2022 18:13, Tweed wrote:
The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter for
much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
Normally there are rx points for it, and it uses diversity reception techniques (at stream level I think ?)
There are Rx points in SE England, further north fewer. I know the
Sunley (or whatever it's called now) building in Manchester is an Rx point.
BBC and Sky's OB news vans can also receive it, and relay back to London
by that method. I suspect that's how they did the Balmoral to EDH run ?
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
On 11/09/2022 18:13, Tweed wrote:
The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter for >>> much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled viaNormally there are rx points for it, and it uses diversity reception
satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the >>> rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to >>> fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular >>> links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the >>> live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked >>> up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
techniques (at stream level I think ?)
There are Rx points in SE England, further north fewer. I know the
Sunley (or whatever it's called now) building in Manchester is an Rx point. >>
BBC and Sky's OB news vans can also receive it, and relay back to London
by that method. I suspect that's how they did the Balmoral to EDH run ?
I've had contact with directors involved in the coverage, although they
did not know for certain they believe it was a digital transmitter slung underneath the helicopter being picked up by various phone masts along
the route. Tends to suggest LiveU I think? And the mast coverage being
what it is likely to be in NE Scotland would likely explain the somewhat indifferent reception and pictures at times? Maybe also telephone masts tending to be looking for horizontal coverage rather than upwards not
helping matters? Certainly not links vans on this occasion - there are
simply not enough to go round, and there aren't enough OB vans around
either given that football is still on over the weekend.
But I did not get a definitive answer to the heli stuff so maybe my info is duff.
On 13/09/2022 15:08, Tweed wrote:
They discovered that at London 2012, and the cycling race through
Thought the football had been cancelled? The coverage quality got worse
towards Edinburgh, but I guess the phone cells were getting overloaded by
the crowds. Up in the open country it held up well.
Surrey. The IOC etc had arranged for stage results to be transmitted
back to London via 3/4G.
Worked fine in tests, however on the day itself it fell apart due to the crowds using loads of data to upload photos etc
Thought the football had been cancelled? The coverage quality got worse towards Edinburgh, but I guess the phone cells were getting overloaded by
the crowds. Up in the open country it held up well.
joe bloggs
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
On 11/09/2022 18:13, Tweed wrote:
The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter forNormally there are rx points for it, and it uses diversity reception
much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via >>> satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the
rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to
fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular >>> links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the >>> live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked
up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
techniques (at stream level I think ?)
There are Rx points in SE England, further north fewer. I know the
Sunley (or whatever it's called now) building in Manchester is an Rx point.
BBC and Sky's OB news vans can also receive it, and relay back to London >> by that method. I suspect that's how they did the Balmoral to EDH run ?
I've had contact with directors involved in the coverage, although they did not know for certain they believe it was a digital transmitter slung underneath the helicopter being picked up by various phone masts along
the route. Tends to suggest LiveU I think? And the mast coverage being what it is likely to be in NE Scotland would likely explain the somewhat indifferent reception and pictures at times? Maybe also telephone masts tending to be looking for horizontal coverage rather than upwards not helping matters? Certainly not links vans on this occasion - there are simply not enough to go round, and there aren't enough OB vans around either given that football is still on over the weekend.
But I did not get a definitive answer to the heli stuff so maybe my info is duff.
Thought the football had been cancelled? The coverage quality got worse towards Edinburgh, but I guess the phone cells were getting overloaded by the crowds. Up in the open country it held up well.
joe bloggs
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
On 11/09/2022 18:13, Tweed wrote:
The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter forNormally there are rx points for it, and it uses diversity reception
much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via >>> satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the
rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to
fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular >>> links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the >>> live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked
up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
techniques (at stream level I think ?)
There are Rx points in SE England, further north fewer. I know the
Sunley (or whatever it's called now) building in Manchester is an Rx point.
BBC and Sky's OB news vans can also receive it, and relay back to London >> by that method. I suspect that's how they did the Balmoral to EDH run ?
I've had contact with directors involved in the coverage, although they did not know for certain they believe it was a digital transmitter slung underneath the helicopter being picked up by various phone masts along
the route. Tends to suggest LiveU I think? And the mast coverage being what it is likely to be in NE Scotland would likely explain the somewhat indifferent reception and pictures at times? Maybe also telephone masts tending to be looking for horizontal coverage rather than upwards not helping matters? Certainly not links vans on this occasion - there are simply not enough to go round, and there aren't enough OB vans around either given that football is still on over the weekend.
But I did not get a definitive answer to the heli stuff so maybe my info is duff.
Thought the football had been cancelled? The coverage quality got worse towards Edinburgh, but I guess the phone cells were getting overloaded by the crowds. Up in the open country it held up well.
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:08:28 PM UTC+1, Tweed wrote:
joe bloggs
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:Thought the football had been cancelled? The coverage quality got worse
On 11/09/2022 18:13, Tweed wrote:I've had contact with directors involved in the coverage, although they
The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter forNormally there are rx points for it, and it uses diversity reception
much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via >>>>> satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the >>>>> rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to >>>>> fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular >>>>> links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the >>>>> live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked
up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
techniques (at stream level I think ?)
There are Rx points in SE England, further north fewer. I know the
Sunley (or whatever it's called now) building in Manchester is an Rx point.
BBC and Sky's OB news vans can also receive it, and relay back to London >>>> by that method. I suspect that's how they did the Balmoral to EDH run ? >>>
did not know for certain they believe it was a digital transmitter slung >>> underneath the helicopter being picked up by various phone masts along
the route. Tends to suggest LiveU I think? And the mast coverage being
what it is likely to be in NE Scotland would likely explain the somewhat >>> indifferent reception and pictures at times? Maybe also telephone masts
tending to be looking for horizontal coverage rather than upwards not
helping matters? Certainly not links vans on this occasion - there are
simply not enough to go round, and there aren't enough OB vans around
either given that football is still on over the weekend.
But I did not get a definitive answer to the heli stuff so maybe my info is duff.
towards Edinburgh, but I guess the phone cells were getting overloaded by
the crowds. Up in the open country it held up well.
Still a lot of footy being played this weekend although some matches have been postponed.
joe bloggs
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:08:28 PM UTC+1, Tweed wrote:
joe bloggs
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote: >>>> On 11/09/2022 18:13, Tweed wrote:Thought the football had been cancelled? The coverage quality got worse >> towards Edinburgh, but I guess the phone cells were getting overloaded by >> the crowds. Up in the open country it held up well.
I've had contact with directors involved in the coverage, although they >>> did not know for certain they believe it was a digital transmitter slung >>> underneath the helicopter being picked up by various phone masts along >>> the route. Tends to suggest LiveU I think? And the mast coverage being >>> what it is likely to be in NE Scotland would likely explain the somewhat >>> indifferent reception and pictures at times? Maybe also telephone masts >>> tending to be looking for horizontal coverage rather than upwards not >>> helping matters? Certainly not links vans on this occasion - there are >>> simply not enough to go round, and there aren't enough OB vans around >>> either given that football is still on over the weekend.The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter forNormally there are rx points for it, and it uses diversity reception >>>> techniques (at stream level I think ?)
much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via
satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the
rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to
fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular
links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the
live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked
up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
There are Rx points in SE England, further north fewer. I know the
Sunley (or whatever it's called now) building in Manchester is an Rx point.
BBC and Sky's OB news vans can also receive it, and relay back to London
by that method. I suspect that's how they did the Balmoral to EDH run ? >>>
But I did not get a definitive answer to the heli stuff so maybe my info is duff.
Still a lot of footy being played this weekend although some matches have been postponed.
But the football wasn’t on last weekend, when the poorly linked helicopter shots were made.
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 9:22:54 PM UTC+1, Tweed wrote:
joe bloggs
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 3:08:28 PM UTC+1, Tweed wrote:But the football wasn’t on last weekend, when the poorly linked helicopter >> shots were made.
joe bloggs
On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 1:14:36 PM UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote: >>>>>> On 11/09/2022 18:13, Tweed wrote:Thought the football had been cancelled? The coverage quality got worse >>>> towards Edinburgh, but I guess the phone cells were getting overloaded by >>>> the crowds. Up in the open country it held up well.
I've had contact with directors involved in the coverage, although they >>>>> did not know for certain they believe it was a digital transmitter slung >>>>> underneath the helicopter being picked up by various phone masts along >>>>> the route. Tends to suggest LiveU I think? And the mast coverage being >>>>> what it is likely to be in NE Scotland would likely explain the somewhat >>>>> indifferent reception and pictures at times? Maybe also telephone masts >>>>> tending to be looking for horizontal coverage rather than upwards not >>>>> helping matters? Certainly not links vans on this occasion - there are >>>>> simply not enough to go round, and there aren't enough OB vans around >>>>> either given that football is still on over the weekend.The coffin journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh was covered by helicopter forNormally there are rx points for it, and it uses diversity reception >>>>>> techniques (at stream level I think ?)
much of the journey. I had assumed the pictures would be backhauled via >>>>>>> satellite, but maybe not. (Thinking about it, an upwards view through the
rotors might not be possible?) There were lots of periods of degrading to
fuzzy vision, especially around Edinburgh. Were they relying on cellular
links?
Things also went badly wrong when the cortège exited Balmoral, with the
live feed from the static camera degrading to lots of grey squares. Picked
up again on the subsequent camera.
Just curious about how it’s done.
There are Rx points in SE England, further north fewer. I know the >>>>>> Sunley (or whatever it's called now) building in Manchester is an Rx point.
BBC and Sky's OB news vans can also receive it, and relay back to London >>>>>> by that method. I suspect that's how they did the Balmoral to EDH run ? >>>>>
But I did not get a definitive answer to the heli stuff so maybe my info is duff.
Still a lot of footy being played this weekend although some matches
have been postponed.
I think maybe we are talking about two different things? My remarks were concerning the coming weekend and the lack of additional OB and link facilities on Monday because of football this Sat/Sun. As to last
weekend's poor helicopter coverage I have given my own thoughts on the subject - OB/Links trucks en route were never part of the plan. I have suggested it was provided via LiveU but presently I cannot confirm that.
I expect a lot of technical info will be published after the event and hopefully useful snippets like that will turn up here. It would be nice
to get clarification for those of us who are interested.
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