In earlier years there has also been an extended edition
called "... a bit more news for you" on BBC2
I find it a bit odd that the BBC should take all that effort to
edit a different version and then make it so inaccessible.
A new series of "Have I got News for You" is back on the BBC1 on Fridays. In earlier years there has also been an extended edition called "... a bit more news for you" on BBC2 usually around the following Monday. But not this year, apparently. Thispage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00877q4
claims that it is on BBC1 Scotland and Scotland HD only on Wednesdays at 01:35. I should be able to get BBC Scotland on Freesat but the programme guide shows no such programme on at that time. So maybe it's on iPlayer only?
I find it a bit odd that the BBC should take all that effort to edit a different version and then make it so inaccessible.
A new series of "Have I got News for You" is back on the BBC1 on Fridays. In earlier years there has also been an extended edition called "... a bit more news for you" on BBC2 usually around the following Monday. But not this year, apparently. Thispage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00877q4
claims that it is on BBC1 Scotland and Scotland HD only on Wednesdays at 01:35. I should be able to get BBC Scotland on Freesat but the programme guide shows no such programme on at that time. So maybe it's on iPlayer only?
I find it a bit odd that the BBC should take all that effort to edit a different version and then make it so inaccessible.
A new series of "Have I got News for You" is back on the BBC1 on Fridays.
In earlier years there has also been an extended edition called "... a bit >more news for you" on BBC2 usually around the following Monday. But not
this year, apparently. This page
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00877q4
claims that it is on BBC1 Scotland and Scotland HD only on Wednesdays at 01:35. I should be able to get BBC Scotland on Freesat but the programme guide shows no such programme on at that time. So maybe it's on iPlayer only?
I find it a bit odd that the BBC should take all that effort to edit a different version and then make it so inaccessible.
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Clive Page
On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:50:52 +0100, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu>
wrote:
A new series of "Have I got News for You" is back on the BBC1 on Fridays. >>In earlier years there has also been an extended edition called "... a bit >>more news for you" on BBC2 usually around the following Monday. But not >>this year, apparently. This page
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00877q4
claims that it is on BBC1 Scotland and Scotland HD only on Wednesdays at >>01:35. I should be able to get BBC Scotland on Freesat but the programme >>guide shows no such programme on at that time. So maybe it's on iPlayer >>only?
I find it a bit odd that the BBC should take all that effort to edit a >>different version and then make it so inaccessible.
It's a bit odd to make what is effectively a longer version with
outtakes at all, but for some reason outtakes appear to be very
popular, sometimes even being included in cartoons, which makes no
sense at all as they'd have to be specially made rather than left in
by accident.
In a sense, having been involved in the making of television
programmes, I suppose I could say I used to spend some of my working
days being paid to watch outtakes, which probably explains why the
concept of watching them for entertainment doesn't appeal very much.
It seems to me more like a lapse in quality control, which I can't
imagine being celebrated in the same way in the manufacture of
anything else. Why take all that trouble to do things many times get
them right and then market your mistakes?
Rod.
On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:50:52 +0100, Clive Page <usenet@page2.eu>[...]
wrote:
In a sense, having been involved in the making of television
programmes, I suppose I could say I used to spend some of my working
days being paid to watch outtakes, which probably explains why the
concept of watching them for entertainment doesn't appeal very much.
It seems to me more like a lapse in quality control, which I can't
imagine being celebrated in the same way in the manufacture of
anything else. Why take all that trouble to do things many times get
them right and then market your mistakes?
It's a bit odd to make what is effectively a longer version with
outtakes at all
In article <pvo7mgptto84ea85d3661ula8dal8ldt18@4ax.com>,
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
It's a bit odd to make what is effectively a longer version with
outtakes at all
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, though I'm not sure "outtakes" is
really the right word. Some bits will be less funny than others, but
some people will appreciate more even if they're not the best bits.
-- Richard
In article <pvo7mgptto84ea85d3661ula8dal8ldt18@4ax.com>,
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
It's a bit odd to make what is effectively a longer version with
outtakes at all
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, though I'm not sure "outtakes" is
really the right word. Some bits will be less funny than others, but
some people will appreciate more even if they're not the best bits.
Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article <pvo7mgptto84ea85d...@4ax.com>,
Roderick Stewart <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
It's a bit odd to make what is effectively a longer version with
outtakes at all
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, though I'm not sure "outtakes" is really the right word. Some bits will be less funny than others, but+1. The recording session probably lasted for much longer than the timeslot the broadcast programme has to fit into, and the rest of the material gets wasted. Might as well offer it to people who want to see it - after all everything has already been paid for and it just needs a bit of editing to cut it together (or even just playout the whole thing unedited, although maybe parts have to be cut for legal/etc reasons)
some people will appreciate more even if they're not the best bits.
Theo
On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 5:06:01 PM UTC+1, Theo wrote:
Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article <pvo7mgptto84ea85d...@4ax.com>,+1. The recording session probably lasted for much longer than the timeslot >> the broadcast programme has to fit into, and the rest of the material gets >> wasted. Might as well offer it to people who want to see it - after all
Roderick Stewart <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
It's a bit odd to make what is effectively a longer version with
outtakes at all
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, though I'm not sure "outtakes" is
really the right word. Some bits will be less funny than others, but
some people will appreciate more even if they're not the best bits.
everything has already been paid for and it just needs a bit of editing to >> cut it together (or even just playout the whole thing unedited, although
maybe parts have to be cut for legal/etc reasons)
Theo
The studio recording can go on for several hours (and usually does). It requires a bit more than 'a bit of editing' - there's a shed load of isocams to consider for a start off.
It must take quite a bit of skill and effort to edit it down - the participants sometimes make a joke early on that gets referenced or
repeated later, so that an early edit that removes this will complicate things for the rest of the programme (and some like Paul Merton certainly know that). What surprises me is that the production company takes the effort to make a short and a longer version. We usually record the long version to play back the day after that, but it's a pity it's broadcast
only a few days after the original when some of the topical jokes are not quite as fresh.
On 11/10/2021 17:17, joe bloggs wrote:
On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 5:06:01 PM UTC+1, Theo wrote:
Richard Tobin <ric...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
In article <pvo7mgptto84ea85d...@4ax.com>,+1. The recording session probably lasted for much longer than the timeslot
Roderick Stewart <rj...@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
It's a bit odd to make what is effectively a longer version with
outtakes at all
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, though I'm not sure "outtakes" is >>> really the right word. Some bits will be less funny than others, but
some people will appreciate more even if they're not the best bits.
the broadcast programme has to fit into, and the rest of the material gets
wasted. Might as well offer it to people who want to see it - after all >> everything has already been paid for and it just needs a bit of editing to
cut it together (or even just playout the whole thing unedited, although >> maybe parts have to be cut for legal/etc reasons)
Theo
some like Paul Merton certainly know that). What surprises me is that the production company takes the effort to make a short and a longer version. We usually record the long version to play back the day after that, but it's a pity it's broadcast only aThe studio recording can go on for several hours (and usually does). It requires a bit more than 'a bit of editing' - there's a shed load of isocams to consider for a start off.
Well an hour and a half maybe (I've been to see it live a couple of times).
It must take quite a bit of skill and effort to edit it down - the participants sometimes make a joke early on that gets referenced or repeated later, so that an early edit that removes this will complicate things for the rest of the programme (and
--
Clive Page
On 10/10/2021 21:50, Clive Page wrote:page
A new series of "Have I got News for You" is back on the BBC1 on Fridays. In earlier years there has also been an extended edition called "... a bit more news for you" on BBC2 usually around the following Monday. But not this year, apparently. This
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00877q4
claims that it is on BBC1 Scotland and Scotland HD only on Wednesdays at 01:35. I should be able to get BBC Scotland on Freesat but the programme guide shows no such programme on at that time. So maybe it's on iPlayer only?
I find it a bit odd that the BBC should take all that effort to edit a different version and then make it so inaccessible.
Not watched it for ages, just got too predictable and not funny.
They seem to be grouping a few similar programmes together around that
time on different nigh. They must have decided to put unfunny panel
shows on a Tuesday night and boring chat shows on a Monday night etc.
"Clive Page" <usenet@page2.eu> wrote in message >news:isnldqFo3mfU1@mid.individual.net...
It must take quite a bit of skill and effort to edit it down - the
participants sometimes make a joke early on that gets referenced or
repeated later, so that an early edit that removes this will complicate
things for the rest of the programme (and some like Paul Merton certainly
know that). What surprises me is that the production company takes the
effort to make a short and a longer version. We usually record the long
version to play back the day after that, but it's a pity it's broadcast
only a few days after the original when some of the topical jokes are not
quite as fresh.
I've heard the same thing with Brain of Britain on Radio 4. Occasionally >Russell Davies (questionmaster) will prolong the contestant introductions or >will make asides about answers to questions. I imagine he does it for a lot >of the questions in the knowledge that most will be edited out but a few may >be left in as padding if the programme will finish early. The skill is >leaving enough of a pause that his comment can be edited out cleanly without >it being obvious - that's where professionalism comes in.
Just to tidy 'things' up. I've attended dozens and dozens of these recordings in a professional capacity. The guest presenter is rehearsed in the afternoon for as long as it takes without PM and IH but with stand in guests (usually studio crew andwriters etc). The script in front of me says studio audience in at 1900, studio recording from 1930 - 2200.
With regards to the short and long versions, I think the production company is quite happy to produce as many versions as the BBC is prepared to pay for - it's all income to them and no effort at all. Quite the opposite I would think, bring it on - yumyum.
Not a programme I watch myself, I think IH and PM should have been replaced years and years ago, but just my personal opinion of course.
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