https://www.rd.com/article/radio-stations-k-w/ is an interesting article about why US radio station names always begin with K or W. But the
sentence that made me chuckle was "The United States was given the letters
W, K, N, and A." Was that a random allocation, or was the committee
pulling the US's plonker with that allocation of letters?
How is it that the UK doesn't have to name all its stations beginning with M or one of the other UK letters? Was that due to the power of Reith and the BBC? And had the concept of using standard initial letters died out by the time other UK stations (ILR) started in the 1960s?
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
https://www.rd.com/article/radio-stations-k-w/ is an interesting article
about why US radio station names always begin with K or W. But the
sentence that made me chuckle was "The United States was given the
letters
W, K, N, and A." Was that a random allocation, or was the committee
pulling the US's plonker with that allocation of letters?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_call_sign https://earlyradiohistory.us/recap.htm
On 25/06/2023 23:43, NY wrote:
How is it that the UK doesn't have to name all its stations beginning
with M
or one of the other UK letters? Was that due to the power of Reith and
the
BBC? And had the concept of using standard initial letters died out by
the
time other UK stations (ILR) started in the 1960s?
There are a lot of callsigns that are not normally seen.
So do all the UK broadcast radio stations have callsigns which are not
used publicly? If so, why are the rules different for UK and US
broadcast radio? Do US stations not have a "friendly name" which is used
in station IDs and jingles, unlike in the UK where it is only the
friendly name which is used, even if there is an "invisible" callsign as well?
I'm confining my question to broadcast radio for reception by the
public, as opposed to point-to-point private radio as used by the
various emergency services or for ship-shore / aircraft-tower
communications.
NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
So do all the UK broadcast radio stations have callsigns which are not
used publicly? If so, why are the rules different for UK and US
broadcast radio? Do US stations not have a "friendly name" which is
used in station IDs and jingles, unlike in the UK where it is only the friendly name which is used, even if there is an "invisible" callsign
as well?
I'm confining my question to broadcast radio for reception by the
public, as opposed to point-to-point private radio as used by the
various emergency services or for ship-shore / aircraft-tower communications.
Morse stations needed a letter callsign because of the longwindedness of
the medium - the message:
CQD CQD CQD CQD CQD CQD DE MGY MGY MGY MGY MGY MGY POSITION 41.44 N 50.24
W
would not have been as effective if it had to spell out 'RMS Titanic'
instead of 'MGY'.
I'm guessing the requirement for a broadcast audio station to have a
callsign and mention it on-air was dropped by one of the later
International Radiotelegraphic Conventions, since it wasn't needed as it
was for Morse, and for whatever reason that practice continued in the US.
The BBC was 2LO for a time, wikipedia says until 1930. '2' is a UK
callsign prefix as well as 'G' and 'M'.
In article <Khn*rUNjz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo ><theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
So do all the UK broadcast radio stations have callsigns which are not
used publicly? If so, why are the rules different for UK and US
broadcast radio? Do US stations not have a "friendly name" which is
used in station IDs and jingles, unlike in the UK where it is only the
friendly name which is used, even if there is an "invisible" callsign
as well?
I'm confining my question to broadcast radio for reception by the
public, as opposed to point-to-point private radio as used by the
various emergency services or for ship-shore / aircraft-tower
communications.
Morse stations needed a letter callsign because of the longwindedness of
the medium - the message:
CQD CQD CQD CQD CQD CQD DE MGY MGY MGY MGY MGY MGY POSITION 41.44 N 50.24
W
would not have been as effective if it had to spell out 'RMS Titanic'
instead of 'MGY'.
I'm guessing the requirement for a broadcast audio station to have a
callsign and mention it on-air was dropped by one of the later
International Radiotelegraphic Conventions, since it wasn't needed as it
was for Morse, and for whatever reason that practice continued in the US.
The BBC was 2LO for a time, wikipedia says until 1930. '2' is a UK
callsign prefix as well as 'G' and 'M'.
2LO was only the London transmitter, There were also: 2ZY - Manchester; 5IT
- Birmingham; and quite a few others including 5XX at Daventry.
The BBC was 2LO for a time, wikipedia says until 1930. '2' is a UK callsign prefix as well as 'G' and 'M'.
On 26/06/2023 21:00, Theo wrote:
The BBC was 2LO for a time, wikipedia says until 1930. '2' is a UK callsign prefix as well as 'G' and 'M'.
I had a look in Pawley but can't see any mention of callsigns being
dropped.
https://www.rd.com/article/radio-stations-k-w/ is an interesting article about why US radio station names always begin with K or W. But the
sentence that made me chuckle was "The United States was given the letters
W, K, N, and A." Was that a random allocation, or was the committee
pulling the US's plonker with that allocation of letters?
What did they operate on before that?
" five high-power regional
stations each operating on wave-lengths "
On 28/06/2023 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
What did they operate on before that?
Pawley can be downloaded here, many tables listing BBC transmitters at >different dates.
https://www.bbceng.info/Books/books.htm
In article <X1UzlvnHyAnkFwTy@255soft.uk>,
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
I was going to say nice to see that BBC engineering still exists, but
looking at https://www.bbceng.info/, it's obviously a private
enthusiasts site )-:. [Not that that isn't great, but it's sad that it's
not BBC. (And I bet nowhere on the BBC site mentions/links-to it.)]
It's run by those that used to work there. The present BBC doesn't believe
in engineers.
In message <u7gshc$1nn61$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:55:08,
MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
On 28/06/2023 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
What did they operate on before that?
Pawley can be downloaded here, many tables listing BBC transmitters at >different dates.
https://www.bbceng.info/Books/books.htm
Thanks for that page: lots of nice documents as well as Pawley!
Bookmarked.
I was going to say nice to see that BBC engineering still exists, but
looking at https://www.bbceng.info/, it's obviously a private
enthusiasts site )-:. [Not that that isn't great, but it's sad that it's
not BBC. (And I bet nowhere on the BBC site mentions/links-to it.)]
On 28/06/2023 12:00, charles wrote:
In article <X1UzlvnHyAnkFwTy@255soft.uk>,
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
I was going to say nice to see that BBC engineering still exists, butIt's run by those that used to work there. The present BBC doesn't >>believe
looking at https://www.bbceng.info/, it's obviously a private
enthusiasts site )-:. [Not that that isn't great, but it's sad that it's >>> not BBC. (And I bet nowhere on the BBC site mentions/links-to it.)]
in engineers.
There are some; locked in a lab, don't see daylight, types.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects
There are a lot of callsigns that are not normally seen.[...]
Pre AIRWAVE all emergency services had callsigns but they were usually shortened and only the last couple of letters were used normally.
"BD to Zed Victor One"
"BD to Zed Victor One"
On 15/07/2023 16:10, Sn!pe wrote:
"BD to Zed Victor One"
I think the callsign was actually M2BD but they were always shortened.
On Sun 16/07/2023 20:10, MB wrote:
On 15/07/2023 16:10, Sn!pe wrote:
"BD to Zed Victor One"I think the callsign was actually M2BD but they were always
shortened.
No, all Police and Fire controls were M2 prefix so they got truncated
to save time. M, alongside G, was allocated (after WWII?) as identity
letters for the UK.
What is more one of the the last two letters showed which HO depot
maintained that force, so BD meant Billinge (near Wigan), NA
(Derbyshire) meant Nottingham, and XF was Kippax (Leeds) etc.
Technically the M2 part of the callsign is still in place, so when
radio amateur callsigns started using M as the first letter, e.g. M0,
M3, M7 etc, they could not and still do not use M2.
No, all Police and Fire controls were M2 prefix so they got truncated to
save time. M, alongside G, was allocated (after WWII?) as identity
letters for the UK.
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