It seems to me at the inception of Digital everything we have sacrificed
the correct times between devices. I notice that using my radio controlled >clock to switch over to a TV program that is advertised to start on the
hour, that quite often, it is up to a minute into it when I switch.
I guess that the timings are all over the place since the actual time
relies on some internet derived clock. On streamed channels it can be either >way out, so to speak.
It seems to me at the inception of Digital everything we have sacrificed
the correct times between devices. I notice that using my radio controlled clock to switch over to a TV program that is advertised to start on the
hour, that quite often, it is up to a minute into it when I switch.
I guess that the timings are all over the place since the actual time
relies on some internet derived clock. On streamed channels it can be
either way out, so to speak.
Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
It seems to me at the inception of Digital everything we have sacrificed
the correct times between devices. I notice that using my radio controlled >> clock to switch over to a TV program that is advertised to start on the
hour, that quite often, it is up to a minute into it when I switch.
I guess that the timings are all over the place since the actual time
relies on some internet derived clock. On streamed channels it can be either >> way out, so to speak.
I reckon it is also a ploy to start ahead of other channels on
the same nominal timing (like publishing magazines progressively
earlier each month).
IIRC, when tackled about the issue, the official response was to
the effect that, to make it "simpler for the viewer" timings were
tidied up to the nearest 5 minute point.
I raised the matter on a visit to the BBC studio locally, where I
was actually able to sit in a control room and hear the network
give the countdown down the line, for The One Show, in compliance
with the printed running sheet in front of me, at 18:58. No
explanation was forthcoming.
Chris
Before they got stopped I went on a tour of New Broadcasting House, which included the One Show studios. They freely pointed out that they started early as an attempt to grab the audience.
It seems to me at the inception of Digital everything we have sacrificed
the correct times between devices. I notice that using my radio controlled >clock to switch over to a TV program that is advertised to start on the
hour, that quite often, it is up to a minute into it when I switch.
I guess that the timings are all over the place since the actual time
relies on some internet derived clock. On streamed channels it can be either >way out, so to speak.
Brian
"Brian Gaff (Sofa)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:smla6t$hfj$1@dont-email.me...
It seems to me at the inception of Digital everything we have sacrificed
the correct times between devices. I notice that using my radio
controlled clock to switch over to a TV program that is advertised to
start on the hour, that quite often, it is up to a minute into it when I
switch.
I guess that the timings are all over the place since the actual time
relies on some internet derived clock. On streamed channels it can be
either way out, so to speak.
I'd have thought that any internet-connected device or "Rugby" radio clock would be accurate to the nearest second. I've found that the time on my landline DECT phone (synchronised whenever there's an incoming call), the time on my mobile phone and the time on a GPS application the mobile all agree to within a few seconds at worst. Computer clocks can drift:
although Linux seems to resync with an NTP source fairly frequently,
Windows only does so every few days (maybe every week) by default.
But I agree that times quoted on broadcast or streamed media can be out by ten or more seconds due to network and encoding/decoding latency.
Before they got stopped I went on a tour of New Broadcasting House, which >included the One Show studios. They freely pointed out that they started >early as an attempt to grab the audience.
I went on a tour of New Broadcasting House, which included the One Show studiosShows how up to date I am, I thought it was from The Mailbox.
On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 08:55:53, "Brian Gaff (Sofa)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote (my responses usually follow points
raised):
It seems to me at the inception of Digital everything we have sacrificed >>the correct times between devices. I notice that using my radio controlled >>clock to switch over to a TV program that is advertised to start on the >>hour, that quite often, it is up to a minute into it when I switch.I don't think it's anything to do with timing errors - as others have
I guess that the timings are all over the place since the actual time >>relies on some internet derived clock. On streamed channels it can be >>either
way out, so to speak.
Brian
said, those (including encoding/decoding lags) would be unlikely to
account for more than about ten seconds. (Even a satellite link not _that_ long.) It's more corporate decisions - to catch audience or for many other reasons.
It's certainly nothing to do with digital. I remember in (west as it was then!) Germany in the 1970s/'80s, the contrast was very noticeable: German stations were (as the stereotype might lead you to expect!) pretty
punctual, but it wasn't that unusual for one or more of the Dutch
channels, by late evening, to be running 20-25 minutes late - and, as far
as I could tell, pretty relaxed about the fact! (Those of us stationed towards the west end of the British region - we were in Muelheim/Ruhr -
could pick up Dutch telly, which carried a lot of English/American programming, in original sound with Dutch subtitles. [Quite fun: "Dallas"
was popular then, which we got on BFBS TV a couple of days after it was
shown in UK when the videotapes were trucked over; or, on Dutch TV a few weeks or months delayed; or, on German TV a year or two later, as they actually dubbed it - "Wer hat JR geschossen?"])
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It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and
undernourishment.
-Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977)
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Andy Burns wrote:
But a bit of googling put me right, and stumbling over this blog, with
all sorts of Pebble Mill and Dr Who stuff (ok, almost entirely Dr Who
but the Pebble Mill pages are interesting) which I've never seen linked >from here ...
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