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  • SOT: Third Programme history

    From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 9 21:37:08 2024
    I took a delve into obscurity at the weekend and started reading about
    the history of the Third Programme (predecessor to Radio 3).

    1. I see the Daventry transmitter, opened on 27 July 1925, was the
    world's first long wave transmitting station (National Programme).
    This was replaced on 7 October 1934 by a higher-powered one at
    Droitwich. By contrast, when the Third Programme commenced in 1946 (on
    464 m), it was broadcast from Droitwich and subsequently relocated to
    Daventry in 1950.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx8wxnwn5ygo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daventry_transmitting_station

    It seems odd that the National Programme started in Daventry then
    moved to Droitwich to improve reception and the Third Programme
    started in Droitwich and moved to Daventry, again to improve
    reception, when both were designed with the same aim, being to provide
    coverage to a large part of England. Is there a difference in ideal
    topography for long and medium wave?

    2. The Third Programme also had relay stations on 194 m. I see from
    the Copenhagen plan that Westerglen and Burghead (in Scotland) were
    allocated 194 metres yet the BBC used low powered city transmitters in
    Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee. Why would they do this when
    it meant Third Programme coverage was then very limited in Scotland? https://www.radiomuseum.org/forum/the_copenhagen_frequency_plan_of_1948.html More generally, how good was the reception on 464 metres? I see that
    it suffered less from interference from other stations that most other wavelengths, and I believe the permitted bandwidth was greater in the
    past. https://www.radiocaroline.co.uk/history_of_648.html#:~:text=World%20Service%20for%20Europe%20on,beam%20away%20from%20the%20UK

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 4 03:28:58 2025
    Op 9-12-2024 om 22:37 schreef Scott:
    I took a delve into obscurity at the weekend and started reading about
    the history of the Third Programme (predecessor to Radio 3).

    1. I see the Daventry transmitter, opened on 27 July 1925, was the
    world's first long wave transmitting station (National Programme).



    No, it wasn't the first on long wave in the world.
    Not even in England.

    PCGG Den Haag (The Netherlands) was on 300 kHz and 285 kHz in 1922. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCGG>

    In 1923 NSF/HDO started on 279 kHz from Huizen (The Netherlands).
    HDO later became AVRO, is now as AVROTROS part of the NPO.

    On wikipedia you can find a List of oldest radio stations.
    A lot of LW stations are mentioned before 1925, also in England. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_radio_stations>

    f.e.:
    2MT Chelmsford (England) 107 kHz in 1920.
    2CM Sydney (Australia) 214 kHz in 1921
    Tour Eifel Paris 115 kHz in 1921
    and many more.

    see also:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio#Audio_transmission>
    and scroll down to: "Broadcasting".

    A nice list from 1923, see the wavelenghts (W.L.) above 1000 meter: <https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Radio-Logbooks/Listen-In-Radio-Record-1923.pdf>


    Rink

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl on Sat Jan 4 11:01:33 2025
    On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 03:28:58 +0100, Rink
    <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:

    Op 9-12-2024 om 22:37 schreef Scott:
    I took a delve into obscurity at the weekend and started reading about
    the history of the Third Programme (predecessor to Radio 3).

    1. I see the Daventry transmitter, opened on 27 July 1925, was the
    world's first long wave transmitting station (National Programme).

    No, it wasn't the first on long wave in the world.
    Not even in England.

    I based this on BBC propaganda :-) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx8wxnwn5ygo

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to mb@nospam.net on Sat Jan 4 11:41:53 2025
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 04/01/2025 11:01, Scott wrote:
    I based this on BBC propaganda 🙂 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx8wxnwn5ygo


    That seems to be quoting something at an exhibition by the local museum
    in Daventry.

    There is no such claim in Pawley.

    I expect the BBC journalists rarely bother to check original source
    material (or may not even know it exists), they just repeat what some
    other journalist or their own publicity department has previously said.

    I recently heard that they were preparing to celebrate 100 years of
    electrical recording . When I pointed out that they had already missed
    the anniversary by 4 years (electrical records were issued in England 4
    years before the Americans 'invented' electrical recording) it was
    hinted that the facts didn't matter and the BBC was going ahead based on
    the American publicity that everyone believed.


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    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
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  • From JMB99@21:1/5 to Scott on Sat Jan 4 11:22:30 2025
    On 04/01/2025 11:01, Scott wrote:
    I based this on BBC propaganda 🙂 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx8wxnwn5ygo


    That seems to be quoting something at an exhibition by the local museum
    in Daventry.

    There is no such claim in Pawley.

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  • From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 8 18:04:02 2025
    Op 4-1-2025 om 12:01 schreef Scott:
    On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 03:28:58 +0100, Rink
    <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:

    Op 9-12-2024 om 22:37 schreef Scott:
    I took a delve into obscurity at the weekend and started reading about
    the history of the Third Programme (predecessor to Radio 3).

    1. I see the Daventry transmitter, opened on 27 July 1925, was the
    world's first long wave transmitting station (National Programme).

    No, it wasn't the first on long wave in the world.
    Not even in England.

    I based this on BBC propaganda :-) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx8wxnwn5ygo



    OK, you're not guilty, Scott :-)
    No problem.
    Thanks for the BBC link, is very interesting!

    Rink

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