My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.
And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview
and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
will always be on a platform she doesn't have.
williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:Thank you Bill, that's just the sort of information I was after.
On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house. >>>>>She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a >>>>>marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the >>>>>Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common >>>>>'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or >>>>>would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she >>>wants.
And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview >>>and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
will always be on a platform she doesn't have.
If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do >>Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish >>with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just >>Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
that location from the LNB.
In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about £450 to £500 + VAT, >>installed, assuming all cables were needed.
We live at the other end of the same village on one of the highest
points (which isn't very high, this is Suffolk) and need a good[ish]
aerial mounted at the Sudbury end of the house and quite carefully
aimed at Sudbury to get reliable reception. It doesn't have a
masthead amplifier but the amplifier that drives the multiple sockets
around the house is up in the loft as close as possible to the lead-in
from the aerial. I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.
On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.
And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview
and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants will always be on a platform she doesn't have.
--
Max Demian
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.There are some channels that are on Freeview that are not on Freesat -
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
ISTR Ch4HD was one.
Put up a decent multibeam with a single port low gain masthead pre-amp* to get the signal into a useable margin, then fit a 1-in 4-out amp in the
loft or wherever convenient. You only need one cable to each TV.
*Fringe Electronics make good units, Labgear from Toolstation are also effective. Also look at www.blake-uk.com in Sheffield.
If using Freesat you will need one box for each user and as you will be
using HDMI connection you will need two cables from the dish to each
position if the Freesat box is a recorder. One dish with an 8-port LNB
will do the job perfectly.
An alternative here is to use a 4-port LNB and feed the four ports into to
a signal multiswitch. Said switch also has a UHF signal input. You then
run one twin (so-called 'shotgun') cable from the switch to each TV
position or a single cable if there is no recording facility and the TV
will have access to both Freesat and Freeview (assuming the TV has a
Freeview tuner!) For LNB look at Inverto Black products.
eBay item 284554041352 is a suitable switch. If you go down this route
better to get a (Sky) Zone2 dish to give a better signal as the switch is effectively passive. The difference between a quattro and a quad LNB is
that the quattro has fixed outputs whereas the quad replies on the switch
to tell it which output is which. There are four outputs because there are two frequency bands and two polarities which all need to be handled independently.
On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.
And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
will always be on a platform she doesn't have.
If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
that location from the LNB.
In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about £450 to £500 + VAT, installed, assuming all cables were needed.
williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:Thank you Bill, that's just the sort of information I was after.
On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal
channels?
Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform
she
wants.
And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover
Freeview
and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
will always be on a platform she doesn't have.
If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do
Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just
Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
that location from the LNB.
In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about 450 to 500 + VAT,
installed, assuming all cables were needed.
We live at the other end of the same village on one of the highest
points (which isn't very high, this is Suffolk) and need a good[ish]
aerial mounted at the Sudbury end of the house and quite carefully
aimed at Sudbury to get reliable reception. It doesn't have a
masthead amplifier but the amplifier that drives the multiple sockets
around the house is up in the loft as close as possible to the lead-in
from the aerial. I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.
--
Chris Green
On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the
Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she
wants.
And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview
and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants will
always be on a platform she doesn't have.
If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft or
anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV sets
with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a 'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder use the TV
as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner; there's no point.
But if you really want to you need an extra cable to that location from
the LNB.
In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about 450 to 500 + VAT,
installed, assuming all cables were needed.
Bill
On 03/12/2021 18:36, Max Demian wrote:
On 03/12/2021 18:33, Woody wrote:
On Fri 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
My daughter is in the process of moving into a new (to her) house.
She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the >>> Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Both have a good range of channels. She should decide which platform she wants.
And avoid printed programme guides as I think they always cover Freeview and Freesat. They also cover Sky and Virgin: the programme she wants
will always be on a platform she doesn't have.
If terrestrial reception *really is* marginal she might as well just do Freesat. Freesat without Freeview is gloriously easy. Standard Sky dish
with octo (8 output) LNB (the thing on the dish at the front). Two
cables from the LNB to each receiver position. No amplifier in the loft
or anything like that. No need for wallplates etc; cables straight into
the receivers. Put a Freesat receiver/recorder with each TV, or use TV
sets with built-in Freesat. Best to use receiver/recorders that have a
'non Freesat' mode so you can get everything on the satellite; not just Freesat channels. Where a TV set has an accompanying receiver/recorder
use the TV as a monitor; don't bother with the telly's own tuner;
there's no point. But if you really want to you need an extra cable to
that location from the LNB.
In Yorkshire the whole thing would cost about £450 to £500 + VAT, installed, assuming all cables were needed.
Bill
[...]There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a >>>>>>marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece
of damp string :-(
On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
[...]
[...]There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a >>>>>>marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >of damp string :-(
I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most services most quickly for the least expense.
Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.
I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.
On 04/12/2021 10:32, Chris Green wrote:
I think (though it's difficult to tell really) that
her house won't have such a good 'view' towards Sudbury.
To assess, roughly, think more about the path towards the tx rather than
the height of the rx site. Look towards Sudbury from each location. How
far can you see?
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>OP here. We actually have rather good internet, at our house we have
wrote:
[...]
[...]There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >> >village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >> >of damp string :-(
I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most
services most quickly for the least expense.
Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.
FTTC that bangs against the maximum speed endstops (80Mbs down 20Mbs up).
I think our daughter's new house is close to a cabinet as well.
In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
for.
Well there's your answer then. You can have thousands of radio and
television channels and catchup services without any aerials or dishes
ot other expensive installation at all. Just get a streaming device
and try it out. In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
for. You certainly don't need 80Mb/s for email or Whatsapp.
Even an old computer could be pressed into service as a media
streamer. That's what I started with some years ago, until it became
feasible to buy something smaller and less power hungry without
cooling fans. Once your computer has been set up with easy shortcuts
for the services you want, you'll be able to control everything with
only a standard wireless mouse on the coffee table, so it won't even
be complicated to use.
Rod.
On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:11:18 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>OP here. We actually have rather good internet, at our house we have
wrote:
[...]
[...]There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a >>>>>>>>> marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >>>> village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >>>> of damp string :-(
I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most
services most quickly for the least expense.
Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.
FTTC that bangs against the maximum speed endstops (80Mbs down 20Mbs up).
I think our daughter's new house is close to a cabinet as well.
Well there's your answer then. You can have thousands of radio and
television channels and catchup services without any aerials or dishes
ot other expensive installation at all. Just get a streaming device
and try it out. In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
for. You certainly don't need 80Mb/s for email or Whatsapp.
On 05/12/2021 11:07, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:11:18 +0000, Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> >>>> wrote:OP here. We actually have rather good internet, at our house we have
[...]
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a >>>>>>>>>> marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours) >>>> [...]
Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish
village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece
of damp string :-(
I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most
services most quickly for the least expense.
Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.
FTTC that bangs against the maximum speed endstops (80Mbs down 20Mbs up). >>> I think our daughter's new house is close to a cabinet as well.
Well there's your answer then. You can have thousands of radio and
television channels and catchup services without any aerials or dishes
ot other expensive installation at all. Just get a streaming device
and try it out. In my opinion, this is what high speed internet is
for. You certainly don't need 80Mb/s for email or Whatsapp.
What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.
What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.
On 05/12/2021 12:16, Max Demian wrote:
What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.
My Humax is not going to last forever and they now only make the
Freeview version.
I was wondering whether to replace it with whatever brand does Freesat
when it eventually dies.
Wondering as catch up is so all embracing and I download my films direct
from the internet. I can get any film (almost) that has been made -
totally free - on an Android app.
Tony
On 05/12/2021 12:16, Max Demian wrote:
What about us dinosaurs who like to record stuff, possibly burning to
DVD? I think that's more difficult with streaming. And avoiding adverts.
My Humax is not going to last forever and they now only make the
Freeview version.
I was wondering whether to replace it with whatever brand does Freesat
when it eventually dies.
Wondering as catch up is so all embracing and I download my films direct
from the internet. I can get any film (almost) that has been made -
totally free - on an Android app.
Tony
Care to name the App?
On 05/12/2021 17:28, nothanks@aolbin.com wrote:
Care to name the App?
Cinema HD.
There are assorted clones that do not work but I think this is the
genuine source
https://cinemahdapkapp.com/v2-apks/
Come back if you have problems.
Don't forget it is Android so if you are using a PC you need something
like Bluestacks.
TThanks, but cinemahd has lots of negative feedback on GooglePlay
All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!
Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?
TThanks, but cinemahd has lots of negative feedback on GooglePlay
The GooglePlay app is not the one I told you about - it is a bad clone.
All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!
Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?
There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
install wavefrontiers.
https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html
I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.
one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.
The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
multiswitches.
Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers
an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E
Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...
https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html
On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 08:03:28 UTC, SH wrote:
All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?
install wavefrontiers.
https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html
I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.
one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.
The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
multiswitches.
Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers
an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E >>
Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...
https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html
Thanks. I would probably DIY it, as I DIY'ed my Fibo Gregorian dish in ~1997 and it was aligned correctly first time [using an astronomical method].
On 06/12/2021 15:31, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 08:03:28 UTC, SH wrote:
All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?
install wavefrontiers.
https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html
I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.
one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.
The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
multiswitches.
Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers
an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E
Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...
https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html
Thanks. I would probably DIY it, as I DIY'ed my Fibo Gregorian dish in ~1997 and it was aligned correctly first time [using an astronomical method].
These dishes are heavy and have quite a significant wind capture area.
You do need a substantional K & K bracket, I got mine from Blakes and
had two of these:
https://www.blake-uk.com/brackets-tk/36-k-welded-wall-bracket-galvanized.html
Notice how they are braced left and right as well as at the bottom.
Also you need a pole of a very specific outer diameter, if I recall correctly its 65 mm and I got it from Metals4u and the wall thickness
was 3 mm and in aluminium. it was a 2 m long pole.
I used penny washers as well to get teh K brackes flat and level on the wall.
The K & K brackets were set about 1 m apart leaving 1 m of pole
protruding. I cut off about 0.5 m so the dish then sat on top of the pole.
The pole does not go past the dish's back bracket as such.
It is mandatory you get the pole absolutely vertical..... :-)
The first thing you have to set on the back of the dish is the tilt,
which for my location is 14 degrees.
Also, as its a double reflector design, the LNBs are on the other side
of the cental LNB (when compared to any other dish with a multi lnb bracket.
That Satlex calculator will tell you what the reading should be on the
guide rail for the LNB and also what the rotation of the LNB is.
Also you have to install LNB's from the centre and work outwards as the holders have to slide to the end of the rail so you can't just pop an
LNB in between two already installed ones....
I ran 20 CT100 coax cables from the T90 dish to my loft so its quite a significant bundle of cables.
Good luck!
:-)
On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 20:00:28 UTC, SH wrote:
On 06/12/2021 15:31, R. Mark Clayton wrote:
On Monday, 6 December 2021 at 08:03:28 UTC, SH wrote:These dishes are heavy and have quite a significant wind capture area.
All the TV's with built in Freesat I have come across (LG, Toshiba, Medion and IIRC Samsung) all have non Freesat channels as well, indeed most of them have DiSEqC ability and can switch between four satellites!There is a company https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/ where he will
Which reminds me, how much to install a 90cm Wavefrontier toroidal dish, 13x4 or 16x4 multi-switch (walk up access to dish position)?
install wavefrontiers.
https://www.satellitetveurope.co.uk/Toroidal%20Dishes.html
I d-i-y-ed my Wavefrontier T90 with 5 quattro LNBs.
one for Freesat which is combined with Freeview, FM, DAB and CCTV and
fed into 2 off 5x16 multiswitches.
The other 4 LNBs are on Astra 1 @ 19.2E, Hotbord @ 13.0E, Hispasat at
30.0W and Eutelsat 5 at 5.0W and these four feed two off 17x16
multiswitches.
Its an impressive dish, you can put up to 16 LNB's on it and it covers >>>> an arc of somthing like 45 degrees so its possible to cover 12.5W to 28.2E >>>>
Heres a calculattor on setting up the dish...
https://satlex.de/en/wavefrontier_calc.html
Thanks. I would probably DIY it, as I DIY'ed my Fibo Gregorian dish in ~1997 and it was aligned correctly first time [using an astronomical method].
You do need a substantional K & K bracket, I got mine from Blakes and
had two of these:
https://www.blake-uk.com/brackets-tk/36-k-welded-wall-bracket-galvanized.html
Notice how they are braced left and right as well as at the bottom.
Also you need a pole of a very specific outer diameter, if I recall
correctly its 65 mm and I got it from Metals4u and the wall thickness
was 3 mm and in aluminium. it was a 2 m long pole.
I used penny washers as well to get teh K brackes flat and level on the
wall.
The K & K brackets were set about 1 m apart leaving 1 m of pole
protruding. I cut off about 0.5 m so the dish then sat on top of the pole. >>
The pole does not go past the dish's back bracket as such.
It is mandatory you get the pole absolutely vertical..... :-)
The first thing you have to set on the back of the dish is the tilt,
which for my location is 14 degrees.
Also, as its a double reflector design, the LNBs are on the other side
of the cental LNB (when compared to any other dish with a multi lnb bracket. >>
That Satlex calculator will tell you what the reading should be on the
guide rail for the LNB and also what the rotation of the LNB is.
Also you have to install LNB's from the centre and work outwards as the
holders have to slide to the end of the rail so you can't just pop an
LNB in between two already installed ones....
I ran 20 CT100 coax cables from the T90 dish to my loft so its quite a
significant bundle of cables.
Good luck!
:-)
Thanks - the Fibo dish was ~1.2m x 1m and is also Gregorian. The pole had to be robust and vertical (and mounting the [heavy] dish deflected the pole which had to be compensated for).
The cables may be a problem, so I am looking at fibre LNB's, but theyare £££ each. Also might only fit 3 LNB's.
:-)
Thanks - the Fibo dish was ~1.2m x 1m and is also Gregorian. The pole
had to be robust and vertical (and mounting the [heavy] dish deflected
the pole which had to be compensated for).
When I took a look at the optional wall mount for the Wavefrontier T90,
its essentially a pole bent into a swan neck with two thin metal side
straps and uses just 3 bolts to attach to the wall. I was not impressed with the design so thats why I went down the double K and ally pole route.
The cables may be a problem, so I am looking at fibre LNB's, but theyare £££ each. Also might only fit 3 LNB's.
Yes, the main brand of fibre LNBs I see is Global Invacom.
Have you considered IP lnb's? they are not easy to find, Triax, inverto
are the main manufacturers.
They connect via ethernet and can be thought of as 8 "tuners" within the
LNB and you use a Sat>IP compliant set top box or an app such as VLC,
PlexTV, TVheadened etc.
It does away with all co-axial cables and you effectively use ethernet
to connect it all up.
SNIP
:-)
Yes, the main brand of fibre LNBs I see is Global Invacom.
Have you considered IP lnb's? they are not easy to find, Triax, inverto
are the main manufacturers.
They connect via ethernet and can be thought of as 8 "tuners" within the LNB and you use a Sat>IP compliant set top box or an app such as VLC, PlexTV, TVheadened etc.
It does away with all co-axial cables and you effectively use ethernet
to connect it all up.
P.S......
If youa re looking to get two adjacent satellite positions 3 degrees
apart, some LNB feedhorns are physically too bulky to get them that
close together.
I use bullet nose LNB's:
see
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ALPS-Bullet-Nose-Universal-0-4dB-HD-Ready-DVB-S2-Single-LNB-/254532085851
http://hisat.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=96
They have 40 mm collars.
The Wavefrontier T90 also comes with 40 mm to 23 mm LNB collar adapters
so you could use 23mm inverto LNBs:
https://www.satellitesuperstore.com/quadlnb.htm#invertonarrowquad
Some installs I have seen around the web:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Wavefrontier+t90&atb=v257-1&iax=images&ia=images
On 4 Dec 2021 10:41:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Is streaming over the Internet a viable option? When I lived in a smallish >> village there was no TV reception and the Internet was supplied on a piece >> of damp string :-(
I have Freeview and internet streaming, but if I had neither and had
to start again from scratch with only one of them I would choose
internet. Provided there is an internet service with sufficient speed
for TV streaming, an Amazon stick or equivalent will provide the most services most quickly for the least expense.
Provided... of course. I appreciate this may not apply in a village.
Rod.
If its the Village where J Gaines used to be a Parish Councillor the TV >signal is still marginal but the Broadband arrived a few years ago and
fibre to cabinet about 2 years back.
On 09/12/2021 in message <j1er6nFoj5bU1@mid.individual.net> Marland wrote:
If its the Village where J Gaines used to be a Parish Councillor the TV
signal is still marginal but the Broadband arrived a few years ago and
fibre to cabinet about 2 years back.
Goodness me do you live in Damerham?
I am hoping to move back to SP6 over the next few weeks, can't afford Damerham now though!
Jeff Gaines <jgaines...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:There is and always will be. This has also happened in the past
On 09/12/2021 in message <j1er6n...@mid.individual.net> Marland wrote:
If its the Village where J Gaines used to be a Parish Councillor the TV >> signal is still marginal but the Broadband arrived a few years ago and
fibre to cabinet about 2 years back.
Goodness me do you live in Damerham?
I am hoping to move back to SP6 over the next few weeks, can't afford Damerham now though!
Yes , I ‘m not sure how long the overlap was before you moved but I did reply once ( under a different user name )when you used to use the village name in your sig using something like “from another bit of Damerham” but I
cannot recall what the post subject was. Though I believe another post was about installing a satellite dish as where you lived is a conservation
area.
Your nearish neighbour at Crossways Farm now has so many Christmas
lights around it that he gives Blackpool a run for its money.
GH
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
On 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or
would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Well it's always good to have a backup, but there is very little left
now that is on Freeview but not on Freesat. I /think/ it's just any
Local channel you may have for your area and one radio station for the blind.
Local TV: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_television_in_the_United_Kingdom#Local_TV_variations_in_2021>
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On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Brian Gregory wrote:info/v2-apk/
On 03/12/2021 17:04, Chris Green wrote:
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat or would Freesat provide everything except a few weird/marginal channels?
Well it's always good to have a backup, but there is very little left
now that is on Freeview but not on Freesat. I /think/ it's just any
Local channel you may have for your area and one radio station for the blind.
Local TV: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_television_in_the_United_Kingdom#Local_TV_variations_in_2021>
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She wants both Freeview and Freesat in three rooms.
There are currently no (functioning) dishes or aerials. We're in a
marginal Freeview area for Sudbury. (Her house is close to ours)
So what sort of ballpark costs should she expect, preferably with the Freeview and Freesat costs separated (though can they use a common
'box'?)
She has 'dumb' TVs to show the pictures (HDMI inputs).
As a final rider, is she right to want both Freeview and Freesat orthe best way is to get the firestick and install cinema hd https://cinemahdapk.co/cin2/ on it. It is a great app and works just fine. Unlimited content to watch.
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