• Re: Re:Automated line calls, what a mess, warning cookies involved :)

    From *skriptis@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Apr 27 22:37:06 2025
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> On 4/27/25 9:42 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> https://www.tiktok.com/@tennistv/video/7498003304442531094-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://
    piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html> > https://x.com/TheTennisLetter/status/1916506785927794860/photo/1> > Interesting, Pete...Let's accept at face value everything we saw in the two video clips.In the first we got a glimpse of the
    automated line call image, and the ball, as it was displayed in simulation, just *barely* touched the outside of the line, making it "in" by rule.Now again assuming the second image, on X, is valid, you could see that the tape had been swept by the lines
    crew at some point, and this left a sort of "shadow" that's wider than the tape--maybe .5 inch (12-13mm). And the ball just barely touched *the swept mark* not the tape.It was as if the automated system was confused by the sweep mark, and thought it was
    the tape, itself.Well, at least Zverev was very polite and respectful.The ball is out with clear margins and also I believe the system they are using (hawkeye) doesn't make judgement based on the marks of the ball or the shadows you mentioned. It's
    calibrated before the match (or matches) and its decisions are based on computer simulation of the trajectory of the ball captured in the air by many cameras.They should have used the other system that really captures the image of the ball crossing the
    lines. I forget the name of the other system. It's better for clay, cheaper and can't be questioned in these situations.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html



    They should not have used it on clay at all.

    Can we have some tradition left?


    My reasoning is this. No system is perfect but the positives are that mistakes are uniform and everyone is treated equally, which creates acceptance and harmony. So on non clay surfaces the pros outweigh the cons.


    But on clay is not so straightforward. Mistakes made by system are seen and doubts are strong after players see real marks. The cons outweigh the pros. So it shouldn't be used.


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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 27 17:29:36 2025
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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to PeteWasLucky on Sun Apr 27 17:31:13 2025
    On 4/27/2025 11:37 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    https://www.tiktok.com/@tennistv/video/7498003304442531094

    Damn, I would love to see this video! But I don't trust the website.

    Ah well, I have other things to do today...
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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Sun Apr 27 21:19:39 2025
    On 4/27/2025 6:27 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/27/25 3:57 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
    On 4/27/2025 11:37 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/
    @tennistv/video/7498003304442531094Damn, I would love to see this
    video! But I don't trust the website.Ah well, I have other things to
    do today...-- ---------------Scall5

    I just came back from playing tennis :)

    Good for you!!! :^)

    I played doubles today for two hours and twenty minutes. Was great fun, although my serve continues to suck...

    Then I jammed with my band at my house. Always fun to try to make a good
    song or two.
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  • From Whisper@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 21:33:20 2025
    On 28/04/2025 12:19 pm, Scall5 wrote:
    On 4/27/2025 6:27 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/27/25 3:57 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
    On 4/27/2025 11:37 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/
    @tennistv/video/7498003304442531094Damn, I would love to see this
    video! But I don't trust the website.Ah well, I have other things to
    do today...-- ---------------Scall5

    I just came back from playing tennis :)

    Good for you!!! :^)

    I played doubles today for two hours and twenty minutes. Was great fun, although my serve continues to suck...

    Then I jammed with my band at my house. Always fun to try to make a good
    song or two.


    Sounds like a hard life : )

    I'll probably play about the same tomorrow afternoon, 2.5 hrs doubles.
    2 hrs thurs night and about 3.5 hrs saturday lunch time. I used to play
    5, even 6 days a week. Got to be too much of a grind and started
    getting knee and elbow injuries. 3 days a week is a good fit for me
    these days.

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  • From Scall5@21:1/5 to Sawfish on Mon Apr 28 18:09:43 2025
    On 4/27/2025 10:05 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/27/25 7:19 PM, Scall5 wrote:
    On 4/27/2025 6:27 PM, Sawfish wrote:
    On 4/27/25 3:57 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
    On 4/27/2025 11:37 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/
    @tennistv/video/7498003304442531094Damn, I would love to see this
    video! But I don't trust the website.Ah well, I have other things
    to do today...-- ---------------Scall5

    I just came back from playing tennis :)

    Good for you!!! :^)

    I played doubles today for two hours and twenty minutes. Was great
    fun, although my serve continues to suck...

    Then I jammed with my band at my house. Always fun to try to make a
    good song or two.

    What is the best part of your serve, and the worst part?

    E.g., for me best part was velocity (until about 35) and variation of
    spin, worst was accuracy at corners/lines.

    The best part so my serve is my pace, which isn't saying much. Back in
    the day it was clocked at 75 mph, if I recall correctly.

    The worst parts of my serve include nerves, lack of confidence, toss
    sometimes, and over hitting it. It's idiotic that I try to crush a serve because of the previous mentioned issues, but i still do it anyway on
    occasion. Damn its frustrating...
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